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Its called cleansing the totem , thats the word you are searching for.
If you cant find the totems, you can even take small game
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@Orion said:
@Victory said:
@Raccoon said:
Do NOT single out any particular players.
Do NOT be disrespectful.What's your opinion on intentionally De-Ranking for any reason?
Personally, I feel like it ruins the gameplay experience on so many levels, whether that means destroying lower ranked survivors, frustrating new killers, or carrying less skillful players in matches that should be learning experiences for them.
I'm personally hoping that with the eventual installation of dedicated servers, that harsher penalties follow.
Most people dont rerank to ruin others experiences, but so they stop facing the SAME people over and over and over again. Really this should be directed at the devs for such poor match making rather than the players
That's how high ranks work in any game. Only the very top players should be able to reach the top ranks.
Thats not how it works in DBD though, you just need to invest enough time within a single month
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@Sn0wJob said:
and most of them are on killer, I'm going to derank to yellow ranks to avoid sweaty swf
Do you think this is fair?
Am I going to have fun?
Will they have fun?From my experience they will have fun and enjoy the game, they might even ask you for advice and you might get some new friends. (Ofc assumign that you dont play sweaty after deranking)
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@Mochan said:
Thrill of the Hunt is where it's at. Combo your Devour Hope, NoEd and Ruin with Thrill of the Hunt. It's a nightmare.Until the survivors tap the totem, you will regret taking TOTH
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@Delfador said:
SWF is never gonna get nerfed ever, period.I am so sorry to say this but you can not punish people for playing together with their friends.
A basic nerf like not being able to see the killers' loadout came after 3 years.
They Will Not Nerf SWF.
But if the killer is punished, thats ok
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@PBlackII said:
@Master said:
@PBlackII said:
@xllxENIGMAxllx said:
stop with all the nerfing Billy and Nurse thread instead ask buff for other killers. those are the only one who truly destroy SwF with efficiency.A competent killer can still kill an efficient SwF, it shouldn't be guaranteed.
@bloxe said:
xllxENIGMAxllx said:
Thats the problem. The survive with boyfriends players are sad that someone beat them.Again, that's not what I'm arguing, at all. My main argument from the beginning was to essentially put those killers on the same level as the other killers. Once that is established, then it's much easier to then nerf survivors if needed—which is a very obvious following conclusion.
A competent killer player can only manage a competent SWF if he plays nurse, the official tournament has shown that pretty well
Any person that is using that "tournament" as a reference is already being laughably absurd, get out of here.
@inkedsoulz said:
@PBlackII said:
@inkedsoulz said:
@PBlackII said:
Saying Hillbilly is loopable isn't a "very valid point" for the following reasons:
(1) It's a trite statement that is literally being denied by nobody in this discussion. Killers don't forever exist in a pallet loop with a survivor, so it's important to make considerations of the ability outside of this scenario.
(2) Pallet loops are handled by Leatherface and Hillbilly in the same way: they either wait for the survivor to drop the pallet so they can chainsaw it down, or they manage to melee the survivor. Seldom will they use their ability to down the survivor in a pallet loop unless the survivor really messes up.
Therefore if he is loopable and the ability is mostly used to just break the pallet anyway, then the impact it has for downing a survivor is less relevant under this context; i.e. you're choosing a scenario that isn't of particular interest and thus doesn't raise a valid point. The point I'm making is that ultimately Hillbilly's ability has both a vastly superior utility with what is practically the same downing ability as Leatherface, which puts Leatherface in this odd situation where he's just clearly not as strong of a pick. Therefore by making the change to Hillbilly where his ability is more situational, it not only creates more distinction for Leatherface to shine, but it removes Hillbilly's overall dominance over Leatherface's qualities.I'm not being kind to people that say "just no", or gives a bunch of platitudes under the guise of advice; especially after the toxic cloud of users on here purposefully giving wrong and/or uncharitable interpretations of what I was saying to stroke their own weird egos.
Thats why Leatherface is known as 1 of the weakest killers on the game, they should buff the weaker killers instead of nerfing the viable one's.
Everyone knows that Leatherface is a meme, and you want to nerf Hillbilly to his lvl, so that leatherface can shine?
Get all the killers on an even playing field, then nerf survivors so the killers feel stronger by making gens take longer. It's a much simpler and elegant solution than trying to boost 12 killers just right so that they're all viable. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
I think that its much easier to just buff those weaker killers a little bit, instead of nerfing some viable killers.
And please do not exagerate, not all 12 of those other killers need boosts.
Nurse, Hillbilly, Huntress, Hag and Spirit----All these are very viable killers.
Myers, Clown, Wraith, Legion and Trapper--------These are very average, they are not good, but they are not bad either.
Leatherface, Freddy, Doctor and Pig-----These 4 are very weak.
They only need to buff those 4 killers that are on the bottom, and maybe tweak a little those average one's.
There is NO "... than trying to boost 12 killers just right so that they're all viable.""If you have played the game as much as you claim to, you should already know all that i posted.
Edit: Yeah my english sucks, its not my native language, so im not able to put actual insults into nice words like you do.
And im actually thinking that you might be lying about your hours on the game, and that you are just someone who is new and dont know how to play against those 2 killers you mentioned. Because a grand majority(if not all) of the people that have that amount of hours into the game like you do, they DO know that Hillbilly is not as strong as you claim it to be.
Im done with this post, i though it was someone serious, but its just some BAIT but put into nice words.
No, you can't have it both ways, you can't argue that only two of them are viable, but then backpedal going oh, but only four of them actually need boosts. The definition is capable of using successfully, so quit purposefully trying to have a capricious personal definition of viable as it means being successful, not being dominant in the killer tier list. My argument is to work on getting the killers on the same tier list, if it is true that Nurse and Billy are the only viable killers, then it means that 12 killers need to be boosted. This is just how words work.
Also, don't try to scapegoat your lack of language skills for your ######### arguments, it takes a particularly weak individual to do that. And to do that as you snidely insinuate that I'm lying because you find you can't reasonably way to argue for your points or against mine is a particularly ######### thing to do. I have all my characters at minimum prestige one along with several maxed out characters, I'm not sure what else you want as proof that I'm an experienced player. I probably know more about the basic mechanics and balance challenges than you. My goal isn't to insult you, it's to reasonably argue my points; but I'm not going to let trollish behavior like yours or others here be the things that bury otherwise reasonable suggestions.
Well what other source do you want to refer then?
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@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
@Master said:
First they need to rework the rank system completely.
Right now you can reach the highest rank within a few daysExactly.
And it isn't even the speed at which you reach rank 1 (It'd actually be preferable if you'd be able to reach rank 1 fast), what we do what is to match a killer truly against a survivor and create an elo system that allows you to score more points when winning against players better than you and lose more points when losing against someone worse than you.Than, your rank gets decided by an Elo range (Rank domain) making ranks scarce and thus only allowing a top x percentile to be Rank 1,2,3 etc.
Exactly, rank 1 should be sth special that only the best players can achieve, not sth everyone can grind to in a week or two
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First they need to rework the rank system completely.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Theres gonna be some heavy snow where I live this weekend. Hopefully my internet will work so I can still play dbd. If it's down I've at least got some offline games and Super Smash bros ultimate to compensate
Living in the alps?
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@ChesterTheMolester said:
White_Owl said:A devs said they're considering the idea (no source, sorry). I really hope they do because as more perks get added the more the grind to get them seems unbearable.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/217702#Comment_217702
Is there any progress on this? The grind gets worse with each chapter. Next one is in about 2 months too.
Grind is the anything left to do.
What else do you wanna do? Reach the highest rank and be best of your region? Oh wait you can do that within a few days.... -
Yes matchmaking is terrible (assuming the ranking system worked as intended)
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The license is only available for steam
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@PiiFree said:
@Master said:
That argument is completely flawed since you will automatically become rank 1 by just playing the game thanks to the broken ranking system.In that case Survivor is way too easy to pip? Fair enough then, make it harder to pip.
As Killer you actually have to tryhard to pip in Rank 1.
Which is probably why Rank 1 Survivors play like idiots and Rank 1 Killers tryhard. It's just the nature of the game that Killers have to put a lot more dedication into a match than Survivors in order to pip.
PS: You can play in a way that won't make you pip as Survivor. If you loop a Killer for the whole match without escaping, you'll never pip. If you rush gens without ever getting in a chase, you won't pip. As long as you don't escape and solely focus on a specific emblem, you can very easily avoid a pip as Survivor.
Its too easy for both sides to pip.
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Are there still potato survivors that fall to this tactic?
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@PiiFree said:
@Master said:
Not everyone is a competitive playerIf you play to win, you're automatically playing this game competitive. If you play to win, you will rank up. If you rank up, you''ll reach rank 1 sooner or later. If you are Rank 1, you are playing this game competitive, otherwise you'd never make it to that rank. Simple.
That argument is completely flawed since you will automatically become rank 1 by just playing the game thanks to the broken ranking system.
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@Bongbingbing said:
There's no real way to combat deranking.
Base it on playtime, That'd be a whole big mess since skill level does not equal time played.
Base it on any gameplay aspect, people will just fail at the tasks required and derank.There is an easy way to combat deranking.
You give an actual reason to rank up. Any other competitive game manages to do that and I have never occured deranking issues in other games beside DBD
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@Wolff_Bringer said:
@Master said:
We dont need to discuss whether deranking is allowed, fact is that BHVR officially supports streamer freely admitting on doing that (MLGA same btw).
Also, we have confirmation that afking to derank is not bannable for example.You say that there is no reason to derank, but is there a reason to rank up?
The whole rank system needs a complete rework if you ask me and most important, we need a casual mode
Yes, there is a reason the rank up. To get people that are the same strenght as you. And to NOT bullying the Killer.
Not everyone is a competitive player
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@Poweas said:
@JawsIsTheNextKiller said:
It's easy to say that nobody should lobby dodge because of (suspected) SWF, but new killers soon realise the correlation between 4 survivors dropping into the lobby at the same time and the likelyhood of a near-impossible game.SWFs using comms to relay information is cheating. If a killer was hacking or lag switching, nobody would be telling the survivors to Git Gud.
Your comment is amazing. You think using comms is cheating. LOL. Well, according to your logic, which completely ignores the fact that using comms is not against the rules, then surely nodding your head is cheating? Is pointing cheating?
Tell me.
Can we look at this from a objective standpoint.
Cheating is when you use a non-whitelisted 3rd party program to gain an ingame advantage. This implies that several programs are ok to use, for example the built in playstation voice chat or a similar thing on steam (even though noone uses it). Also Curse is a whitelisted program.
However the usage of discord or teamspeak is THEORETICALLY bannable.In reality you cant get banned for it since the devs have no tools to detect such software (or no intent), but that applies to MLGA too.......
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We dont need to discuss whether deranking is allowed, fact is that BHVR officially supports streamer freely admitting on doing that (MLGA same btw).
Also, we have confirmation that afking to derank is not bannable for example.You say that there is no reason to derank, but is there a reason to rank up?
The whole rank system needs a complete rework if you ask me and most important, we need a casual mode
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@Dave_Microwave said:
If you're in the dream world, can you hide in a locker so Freddy can't see your aura? Can't believe it took until now for me to think of this, lol. Just curious if it actually works.Yes, one of the several nerfs freddy received recently.
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@AtomicCPU3 said:
@Morfedel said:
Well, I just had a surprisingly discouraging match today, and it was mostly from the extraordinarily hostile attacks of two of the players after the match.So, I'm mostly a survivor, not that great a killer, so I'm starting out here. Rank 18, not that awesome, on the PC, and rank 15 on the PS4. Anyway, I'm trying to get better with the huntress' hatchet, and I'm slowly improving; its a lot easier with mouse and keyboard than controller....
Anyway, as I said, not so terribly hot, so when the gates get powered up, if I get a survivor on the hook I tend to soft camp / patrol it. Usually the survivors will try to come in and save them rather than exit, and I use that as an opportunity to get more, along with NOED.
hasnt always worked, but sometimes it has. I figure it only makes sense: if I'm playing survivor and a killer is camping someone, I just go do other things, work on gens, open gates, whatever. Punish the killer for camping by doing other jobs.
Anyway, once or twice I've been attacked for camping, and I point out MOST of the time I patrol; go kick a gen, come back, go check another gen, come back. Sometimes I catch them rescuing the survivor, sometimes they get away.
And what, I'm supposed to just LET them save the survivor? I don't get the attitude. But I've only been attacked a few times, and mostly softly, such as "great camping dude," to which I point out I patrolled / soft camped.... unless the gates were powered up.
This time, however, three of the players came at me. One was gentle about it and said "sucked you camped my friend, but otherwise GG." The one who I originally "camped" exited. I got a second one, however, and THAT one and the fourth, a twitch streamer too, came at me with all guns blazing, calling me all kinds of vile names and constantly cussing at me, belittling me, etc.
Frankly, I was more than willing to discuss the game, but I think they were SWF, or maybe two groups of SWF; they were very often together all four of them working on a single gen, or three of them where possible, etc. I could almost never find them, because they were all in one spot where I was checking others. They denied it, but the aforementioned person above said it sucked I camped her friend, and the other two, one was talking about the twitch streamer size of followers.
And in between the base insults, there were comments of "code of honor" and such. Like, its ok they SWF, they coordinate, they even rushed to rescue a hooked person earlier and complained about my camping her too, when they rushed in to save her!
Sigh... I dont know, am I wrong? When I played solo survivor, I used to get mad for getting camped, esp face camped or tunneled, and I watch twitch streamers like hybridpanda and tydetime run off right away after hooking someone. I generally do that early game, but keep an eye out for rescue teams to head back.
So, I'm a little frustrated at having been attacked in such a vile manner, and I dont know, I suppose I'd've expected better behavior from a twitch streamer, should have known better I guess.
But I guess this is a very long winded way of asking, just when IS it appropriate to camp, and when isn't it? They seemed to act that even with the gates powered and even with them rushing in to save someone, I shouldn't have been doing that. Was I in the wrong?
Thanks in advance.
yes join us brother, let the hate flow through you
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@Bongbingbing said:
Don't know if anyone has posted this before but here goes.
SWF Ranking is kind of messed up, I see it all the time on streams where they are playing SWF and are matched with a killer who gets destroyed because they're going against red ranks.My Suggestion is, instead of an overall average of ranks which i think is the case now, have the group match to a killer of the highest rank in the group?
That might seem a bit harsh but to be fair, SWF are already unbalanced.
_ (Knowing where the killer is all the time, Knowing when to hide, what gens have been kicked/ are being worked on, Where the totems are if one survivor has seen, who's going to save from hooks, when to distract the killer, Where traps are placed, what pallets have been used... ect..)_SWF matchmaking has been broken for 2 (oh wait 3 years) already. Apparently the devs dont give a damn, I dont know why.
And no, its absolutely not harsh letting a SWF verse a killer of the highest rank within the SWF. Looping enables you to 1vs1 a killer AND you also have voice comms as your backup
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@PolarBear said:
It isn't strictly better. It is only strictly better if everyone is using it. If there is 1 person not using it it will suck for them since they are the only ones suffering, couple it with sloppy butcher and that person will probably never recover to full health during the game.Fact is that everyone will switch to the "strictly better" SC because you can heal yourself significantly faster. Additionally healing others is slowed down so everyone will only be healing themselves which promotes even more spreading/genrushing
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@ModernFable said:
Milo said:No. Point.
Killers (that aren't 20s) would then just stay in front of the hook and wait for you to use it.
There’s 1500 Blood Points even if you go down immediately.
Potential 1,5k BP for a single survivor vs 2 minute holding the game hostage?
The devs made the right decision if you ask me
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@Gardenia said:
As Killer it's infuriating when you use an ultra rare offering or add-on and then a swf comes along and they all dc upon the loading screen.You should be able to keep your offerings or add-on when that happens.
Especially since as killer you don't even pip when that happens you merely safety pip with almost no gain in BP.
Please if you can, look into this.
There should be a penalty for DCing. Completely ridiculous that we still dont have one
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@KingB said:
I play nurse a lot on console. It seems like people say the game is the nurse's best map but how? Can't cancel blinks on half of it and tons of sight blockers to mind game the blinks around. I hate this map as nurse.Nurse is omnipresent on the game. You are probably just strugglign because of controller aim, a good PC nurse on the game is terrifying (as every killer should be tbh)
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No, they always spawn on my totem
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@Condorloco_26 said:
I think that once you hit R1 at any role, you shouldn't be allowed to derank past R5, not even at reset, save for maybe not logging in months. You hit R6, you won't derank past R10, and so on. After that, I would suggest to open the matchmaking gates to include said five - by - five ranking brackets, so longer queues wouldn't be a thing to worry about.Reducing the ranks of the rank system doesnt help, the devs already tried this by effectively removing ranks 20-15 from the pool and the only thing that has causes were absurd queue times for beginners.
If you dont allow the majority of the community (rank 1 is a joke) to drop below 5, then I dont wanna be stuck on the lower ranks....... I imagine waiting times ~1 hour
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@powerbats said:
Also any killers complaining about gen tapping need to look themselves in mirror and say to themselves I like gen tapping.Because if someone is gen tapping it means they're bad/ lazy/ a bot and you can pretty much ignore them and go for the actual good players.
Since by the time they finish that gen several minutes later you could've already downed and hooked 1-2 people.
If an exploit is just a lazy workaround, that doesnt mean that the exploit doesnt need a fix.
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@PBlackII said:
@xllxENIGMAxllx said:
stop with all the nerfing Billy and Nurse thread instead ask buff for other killers. those are the only one who truly destroy SwF with efficiency.A competent killer can still kill an efficient SwF, it shouldn't be guaranteed.
@bloxe said:
xllxENIGMAxllx said:
Thats the problem. The survive with boyfriends players are sad that someone beat them.Again, that's not what I'm arguing, at all. My main argument from the beginning was to essentially put those killers on the same level as the other killers. Once that is established, then it's much easier to then nerf survivors if needed—which is a very obvious following conclusion.
A competent killer player can only manage a competent SWF if he plays nurse, the official tournament has shown that pretty well
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@Gamzello said:
I’ve recently played a match against a killer who somehow was always able to hit every time even when I wasn’t very close to them. I’m guessing this is a hit box issue but I also realized how fast they were. It wasn’t bloodlust either because it should’ve activated after 10+ seconds but this killer was really fast which seemed very odd to me. (The killer was a trapper)I wasn’t able to record it but idk what to really do with this. Should I just leave it alone?
Edit: fixing errors
edit 2: fixing errors again lmaoSounds like a lagg issue
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Since nobody cares about my experienced, I have stopped caring about other experiences.
Deranking cant be punished btw, its an intended feature of the rank system. However DCing should be punished and that makes deranking less time efficient.
Derank can only be prevented if they create a "fun and balanced" environment at high ranks AND give ranked rewards
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@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
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@SurvPro said:
You can call this whatever you want. I have good WiFi, and the killers are mostly green ping. So say whatever you please.WiFi, and yet you expect a stable connection
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@Raccoon said:
Literally addressed every current hot topic from the PTB to De-Ranking.Good Job
Well deranking wasnt rlly adressed to be fair.
Also freddy is still crying in the corner......
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@drunky26 said:
I just had the most toxic match ever.
3 p3 claudettes with 3 "greathy thickens mist" offerings, they had the most crutch perks ever, decisive, adrenaline, borrowed and all were teabagging and spamming flashlights at every pallet.I'm only rank 12 killer, they're obviously better at the game, im just wondering why people do this..
do they wonder what its like playing as the killer? especially playing in low ranks with decisives and teabagging new killers, do it in rank 1, i dont get teabagging new players, they're obviously new and bad at the game, show your skills in rank 1, not 12.People who do this. Why?
Some survivors are just doucebags.
Honestly, just DC like they do. Dont give them attention
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@will_i_am_14_85 said:
@Poweas said:
Meh. Play as you want, killers don't respect your rules so you don't respect theirs.What 'survivor rules' are these?
No camp and tunnel e.g.?
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@Might_Oakk said:
With the new procedural generation parameters that lovely hook that spawns on the corner of the shack will no longer be there.I try not to tunnel as a killer so I don't ever hook in the basement since carrying someone down there wastes valuable seconds that I could be pressuring the map.
This step backwards encourages basement tunnelling. Please allow a hook to remain at the top of the basement for killers who want to pressure the map and not hooks.
I agree, knowing that there is a survivor on a gen that is almost done, I alwasy brought my victim to the upper hook instead of wasting time geting into the basement.
But I assume they want to reduce hook numbers in general to please survivors which is sth I dont understand. Survivors were the ones complaining about slugging.......
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Uhm so another totem got cleansed or did the killer only use 1 hex perk? Im confused
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@Rebel_Raven said:
What do you think about the ability for killers to unhook a survivor into being carried again?It would reset the hook phase they are in when originally hooked previously, though.
I.e. if it was the first hook, and you unhooked them yourself, it would stay first hook for the next hooking. Their struggle phase would be refreshed.
Naturally this is to prevent someone unlocking and rehooking 3 times to sacrifice faster.Edit: These rehooks do not go towards advancing perks, and they're limited to 1 to 2 unhooks per game.
I dont see why such a feature would be a good thing. It only gives more ways to troll and keep someone hostage Id say
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@Peanits said:
Low FOV cameras cause a lot of people to get headaches or motion sickness, so I don't think tightening the FOV is the right way to go about it.Not to mention a group could creatively circumvent that by doing what people did in the beta, by solo queueing and leave the lobby if their friends aren't there.
That doesnt stop them putting low FOV restrictions upon killers.
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I would trade in NOED completely for a (real) DS nerf in any second. Its an unreliable hex perk anyway
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@Poweas said:
@Master said:
@George_Soros said:
>Removed the ability for Survivors to view the Killers perks, add-ons and offerings in the tally screen during an on-going match. Killer information will be revealed once all Survivors have exited the match.Yes yes yes yes YES! Thank you devs! (It wasn't that hard though, was it?)
It took them over 2 years for the first step towards SWF balance, there is a long way to go though.....
I mean the BNP and exhaustion nerf (because no more double SB's means less bullying) took the first 2 steps towards SWF balance, to be fair.
No, they were just general survivor nerfs and have nothing to do with SWF, but rather the general unbalance
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@TangledNoodles said:
@Master said:
@TangledNoodles said:
I see a lot of people saying that surviving should be "tough". I don't mind dying as long as I get a decent amount of points. Usually the killer gets the most points (unless they're brain dead) and that's fine and all cause they're in the game longer.But sometimes even after escaping I feel like I'm barely getting anything even thought I feel like I was all over the place, and the only time I feel like I can get a decent amount of bloodpoints is if I use "we're gonna farm forever" with no other benefit other than getting extra points. Unlike BBQ which gives you more points AND shows you survivor auras when you hook someone.
If you get tunneled or camped that's barely any points, most of the time you die with 15k points while the killer has 25k - 30k and then BBQ on top.
Can't survivors get more points for little things? Cleansing totems, self healing or healing others etc?
Killers are addon dependent, survivors not
Killers lose addons every game, survivor keep items after escaping
Survivors can obtain items ingameYeah but there's addons all over the bloodweb lol that makes no sense. When I see killer mains and their load out they're always stacked and usually have every add on already.
Yes and you need to invest BP in order to get those addons, guess why killers get more BP than survivors
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@MyNamePete said:
@Master said:
@MyNamePete said:
@Master said:
@Faceless said:
Decisive strike is balanced by the fact that it can only be used once per game.Only this fact, and the fact that there is a hook per square meter in that game, makes the DS balanced. I do not understand why the main killer cries so much for this perk. And you can still put the survivor on the floor, to '' bug '' DS.
If the DS changes, I want you to nerf Noed too, removing the killer's additional speed. This is tense, you try the whole match for the final killer who did nothing in the match get extremely fast and bring down on a hit.
So noed and DS is balanced and have counter. Don't need changes. They are two perks that benefit enough killer and survivor
How do you counter DS? Just curious...... asking for a bad killer friend
there are perks that can counter it like enduring, all obsession perks, or you could just dribble
Enduring doesnt counter it, the survivors still gets a free escape and can continue to loop you. How is an obession perk (I assume killer perk?) a counter to DS?
Also dribbling just prolongs the inevitableobsession perks are either made to tunnel your obsession or let them live, by doing this you either get DS out of the way or you ignore it until it doesn't have an effect on gameplay.
So you dont counter DS, you just accept it or ignore it. Nice
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@Vietfox said:
Just stop hiding in lockers and do gens.Excuse me?
