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@thesuicidefox said:
@IamFran said:
@thesuicidefox said:
@Master said:
I really wonder what kind of data BHVR wants to collect.How many games does it take to draw away a beginner killer facing rank 1 squads?
One dude quit and I don't blame him. We weren't being toxic he just could not catch us. He whiffed a lot and we were just running in a straight line. The only way this guy was gonna get a hook is if we just walked up and let him down us.
Why you simply don't let him hook each one of you two times and then scape?
I have never faced red ranks squads and I am usually in green ranks, but I notice perfectly when a deranked squad is playing and is a wasted time and damn stressful.Because we have no way to know if the killer will understand what we are doing because they are so new. Do they realize we are willing to farm? They may not know the cues yet. If I let him hook me and he camps, well we can probably make the save but it's going to really make him mad. It's just not fair to him that we have to play like that, we shouldn't get them as our killer. Maybe give them a green rank team at best but not 4 red ranks.
Its completely outrageous that someone has to face enemies of higher rank difference than ~3.
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@PeenutsButt3r said:
I tell my friend to try Dead by Daylight for the first time and he agreed, after purchased he said he wanted to be a serial killer in the game. But then upon creating a lobby, a quad of survivors joined in with all the flashlights, medkits.
In that game he can't even hook a single one, 2 of them had styptic medkits, the other 2 went with purple and green flashlights.
At the end of the game, he sent me a screenshot of his match and all of them are ranked 20 (no f***ing way), had full & insane perks, 3 DS and 4 Dead-hard. How can a newbie killer get these kinds of people like this, the only reason is that they de-pip from DCing.
Please fix this and time-out them instead of de-pipping them, they left their teammates, DC and then just bully newbie killers like this? What a shame!Welcome to DBD.
I can only recommend lobbydodging in such cases, its usually really obvious
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@Gamzello said:
I think the more reports that they get the more they can look over at. How the matches went, to see if mixing rank could actually mix together (which doesn’t) or perhaps a possible rework for the ranking system to see how all of this goes.This is what I’m guessing is that data that they’re trying to collect.
Name a single reason why they would mix up ranks like this. I cant think of one
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@Eveline said:
How much salt you generate per day?
Gallons
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@Kikki said:
When somebody hook farmed me,I let me die because they got 0 Points for safe hook.So ... why farming ?You still get a lot of points for unsafe unhooks
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@TrAiNwReCk said:
Would be interesting to know what their aim was with this new match making system. Not that it would change anything if we knew. Surely, there's a simple algorithm hiccup somewhere in there. High ranks matching with the lowest ranks makes no sense in any match making . . . Unless their aim was to try and match players with other players using their Time Played as a way to match players (counter players dropping rank for easy games)This isn't the case however when a rank 1 Survivor has a rank 19 Killer as it's not possible to drop below rank 15 aside from rank reset. Matching players based on time played would be interesting IMO however, I don't see this being possible on Console. Maybe a devotion matching of some sort.
Who knows, all I know is lower ranked killers getting stomped is going to get old really quick for both sides. Hope this gets resolved soon!
That cant be the case since literally beginner killers with basic perks etc are versed against full stacked out fulltime streamers
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I really wonder what kind of data BHVR wants to collect.
How many games does it take to draw away a beginner killer facing rank 1 squads?
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@RetroHelix said:
I'm getting 100% of survivors with red pings, at least 300ms each.Playing on PS4.
Anyone else ?BHVR screwed over matchmaking.
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Rush B
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@Chaotic_Riddle said:
For Survivors to complain about the new Killer and for Killers to complain about the new perks?perks will be useless, not change the current meta at all
New killer will be unviable but annoying to faceThink that sums it up
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@harry14141414 said:
we are queing against toally different ranked killers also lobbies are really messed up. gotta dodge a good 10 lobbies to find a game which isn't a good but an okay ping.
just wanted to let dear devs know whats happening on my end
love you guys keep up the good work also really excited for new chapterDont worry, its not your end.
BHVR was experimenting on their end, screwing over matchmaking completely....Its probably the best to take a break until the new chapter hits
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@BlackReaper said:
I was think so long about the new stuff in the big updates like right now, we all are waiting the new killer, her perks and ability. Someone probably is thinking about the map and getting hype if the map has some new mechanics or lore.But the point that i'm aiming is, new survivors are nonsense, nobody really expect so much from them, maybe a women or a man, some aesthetics and lore, but thats all, we all expect the new killer, they change the meta game. At the same time survivors are just a new cosmetic that you can farm till p3, or a new cosmetic for your survivor games.
That's make me sad, there is no point on keep doing new survivors, just make more skins, and make a pool for the new perks and move on.
Nothing would make me more happy than each survivor were unique, as same as killers that each one have their own power or passive, so we can have hype for everything new thats arrive.
New survivors right now just slows their work, without useless and pointless survivor they could finish other project.
I dont know what you think guys but thats my point about this stuff.Sure, in an ideal world we would ahve unique powers or disadvantages to survivors. However, BHVR is even struggling balancing the stuff we have now, just look at the power-difference of killers like nurse/freddy, its insane. Now imagine if different survivors were imbalanced aswell AND add on top of that the general unbalance of SWF/solo etc.
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@TheBean said:
@Master said:
So lets only talk about dodging SWF now.
Your suggestion to remove the names would also disable the killer from dodging known "toxic" survivors or streamers (like I do e.g.). However if they are not able to dodge them in lobby, they will simply DC ingame because you cant force them to play vs them. I doubt that this is a good solution tbh.I could see that, but that would be up to the Devs. Since in a way this is no different then having a blocking feature, just manual and per person.
They could also remove names from the match, and just put symbols or whatever as identifiers players can use to remember who is who. Then increase DC punishments.
@Master said:
And there is a difference between enabling a SWF-filter mechanic that enables the killer to only search for solo survivors or making them go thruogh the effort of manually lobby dodging them.Of course there is a difference. One being an acknowledgment from the Devs that they feel it is ok to match make based on that information, and the other is not.
What we have now is a "if we don't acknowledge it, then we don't need to address it" type of system.
Since there are people complaining about balancing SWF in the matches, don't prevent people from dodging SWF as a specific reason, but don't acknowledge either so it doesn't need to be addressed. Then people can freely do as they wish. However, what happens once the devs get killers and solo survivors to where they want them?
But you will always be able to check each other steam profiles and this way get to know their names aswell, its embedded in steam....
I know, it sucks for both sides and I wish the game was balanced around SWF, but it simply isnt and it will never be. The only way to balance SWF would be adding ingame vioce comms and balancing the game aruond that, but that would be a HUGE effort, requiring a rework of the whole game and BHVR will never do that (just look at how slow they are when it comes to things like DS,sc,hatch etc)
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@willcenx said:
Pls stop playing Nurse.. I have to play against Nurse literally 2 out of 3 my survivor games. Same goes for Billy as well. Not fun at all. Try someone else maybe? I heard that Clown is pretty good at shortening loops.No, clown is trash.
If the devs finalyl decide to bring out another viable killer (that I also enjoy playing), then I will gladly play him. So far they failed pretty miserably in that regard though
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Well that was haunted grounds.
Maybe you didnt hear the cleansing sound because .... ya know BHVR.....
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Well played sir
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@slipttees said:
a lot of bugs remains. >_<And new ones will be added with the new chapter, thats the only thing you can be ensured of
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just release the PTb ~.~
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@TheBean said:
@Master said:
Its totally ok to dodge lobbies, the devs dont bann for it. And it doesnt matter whether you it once per day to dodge a certain guy, whether you dodge every SWF or whether you dodge 100 lobbies in a row just becuase you feel like itI don't care if they don't ban for it.
I'm curious though if the Devs actually want killers to dodge lobbies based on the survivors being SWF. The Devs provide a clear picture of who is in the lobby and what items, but no clear picture of determining if the survivors are SWF. You can look at profiles, if they aren't private.
Access to profiles can be given at the end of the match, in the summary. Is it really needed in the initial lobby?
You can make your profile private, but then some killers will dodge if everyone has a private profile in their lobby. So why not just remove that whole criteria in the first place.
It isn't about stopping lobby dodging but minimizing it, by not providing criteria that the developers don't intend you to use as a reason to dodge.
** This is all based on if they don't want you to use SWF as a reason, since their actions so far show that they don't. IMO Cause if they did want killers to dodge based on that info, then it should be provided.
So lets only talk about dodging SWF now.
Your suggestion to remove the names would also disable the killer from dodging known "toxic" survivors or streamers (like I do e.g.). However if they are not able to dodge them in lobby, they will simply DC ingame because you cant force them to play vs them. I doubt that this is a good solution tbh.And there is a difference between enabling a SWF-filter mechanic that enables the killer to only search for solo survivors or making them go thruogh the effort of manually lobby dodging them.
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You can earn the BP so fast, theres no need to already save up at this point.
I will take a look at the PTB and then decide if I want the killer at all, then I might save up 1kk -
@Chaotic_Riddle said:
It’s really fun going up against a 4 man SWF group with two flashlights, 4 adrenalines, 3 DS, 2 borrowtimes, 2 balance landings, and a mixup of other perks. It’s also fun when they all DC because I was gonna ‘ruin their gaming experience’. I had Agitation, Iron Grasp, Mad Grit, and BBQ (meme Legion) and was in the mood for a challenge, but...That didn’t happen at all. Sure, I get that a killer might not be fun to play against sometimes, but it’s pretty ironic that people can identify Legion as a low-tier Killer, yet, all Survivors are willing to DC against them...Honestly, I don’t get this game and it’s ‘meta’ anymore. Anyways, higher ranks fun.Same apply to doc and freddy.
Honestly, just wait until dedicated servers are here so that they can punish DCing properly
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@fluffybunny said:
I'm rank 3 right now and I had one lobby with a rank 18 and another one with a rank 12. Has anyone experienced this and is it because no one's on or a glitch with matchmaking?Yes, its one of the trolling weeks (hopefully not months) of BHVR, just take a break until they fix it
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@powerbats said:
@Master said:
@thekiller490490 said:
Enduring makes DS's stun last 0.75 seconds. This means Enduring basically FULLY counters a DS hit.I love it.
Making another perk basically "have to" on the killers side..... I really really dont like that tbh.
guess almsot every killer will run BBQ+ruin+enduring+4th perk soon
That'd be incorrect since I see lots of killer running Enduring whenever they see bright outfitted survivors they'll run that and sometimes spirit Fury for the surprise combo's.
Yes, but right now its an opportunity to run enduring+spirit fury. I rarely do tbh, but after the DS change I think I will include it on most killers and the perk loadouts will vary even less
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@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:
@Gunmech04 said: MhhBurgers said:
Z@Gunmech04 said: Master said:
@Gunmech04 said: Orion said: @SIlentCetra said: ######### are you even talking about?
You bring in an item.
- Killer dodges.
Killer gets an instant new lobby.
Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.
Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.
Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude.
Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.
Bring a new argument mate
No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge.
LUL nerfed into the ground, how?
Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.
Unhook Invul was introduced.
BT was buffed to oblivion
You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.
The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.
Oh please, Killers got BT destroyed. Killers got mad because Survivors were using BT exactly the way it was meant to be used but since it hurt your poor wittle feelings it got nerfed into the dirt. Killers basically got DS destroyed, you now have 5 million aura reading perks because apparently Killers can't find any Survivors without help. Legion is just 9 kinds of broken due to his abilities and perks, it's no wonder Survivors D/C when they see him. Killers whine and cry until they get what they want. Lobby Dodging is just pathetic. If you seriously can't handle the items Survivors bring then play another damn game and stop making this one worse.
BT got buffed with the Deep Wound change, before that you could usually just follow the survivor till he inevitably went down. If you're talking about the old BT, that ######### was broken beyond belief.
The only aura reading most killers use is Barbecue and yes, in fact, we cannot really find survivors without them unless we LISTEN for them. I don't have a headset so I cannot hear survivor breathing or footsteps which makes it impossible for me to track them without BBQ. Listening is not a skill so I don't give a crap, not everybody has a good headset and I won't buy one for 1 silly indiegame, if the devs made other forms of finding survivors viable then we might talk, auraperks are neccesary now with all the nerfs to sounds that survivors make.
Also who gives a ######### about 5 million aura reading perks if most killers will just use 1 per match, I have never seen more aura reading perks at the same time, most u will see is BBQ&Chilli and MAYBE Bitter Murmur but I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody use BM.
Legion is unanimously one of the worst killers in the game by far, people are still arguing wether it's him or freddy, everybody agrees on this, he takes way to much time to down survivors unless you're using franklins at which point he becomes a worse nurse.
I will continue to dodge 4 toolbox lobbies, they are very rare but if they occur dodging is the least I can do, sometimes I'll just equip franklins on legion, hit them out of their hands then dodge.
I paid for this game so I can do what I want, end of story.
And I bought this game and likewise will do what I want when playing surv and use an item if I damn well please, your lobby dodging ass be damned.
You know, as many killer mains as it pisses off, I may start bringing an item every game. I rarely bring items because I don't wanna waste them, but when killers throw these manchild hissy fits, it really tempts me to bring a toolbox or flashlight EVERY GAME.
Then have fun getting dodged alot, it's not like you have control. We killers do and the devs won't change that (as hillarious as it is giving 20% of the playerbase control over 80% LOL)
Btw your entitlement is showing thinking you can force others to play with you. there's a difference between ppl not wanting to play with others and ppl trying to force others to play with them but that seems to be a hard concept for you ppl.
And YOU can't seem to grasp that you dodging a lobby because a survivor is using an in game item is WRONG.
Newsflash buddy, it wastes your time too. Maybe every surv should start bringing items just to make you cry harder. You have no "power" either, you just think you do because on p2p killer is host. gonna be hilarious when ded servers hit.
And how are dedicated servers supposed to affect this? If executed properly by BHVR (which I doubt), then we wouldnt even see a difference in the game besides from less lagg
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First I thought, yeah that seems fair, 5 hits.
Then I remembered what kind of stuff we got in the game, DS, BT and all that bullshit negating your hits, so I will say no.
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I have never been less hyped for a DBD chapter tbh.
All im hoping now is that they screw up the freddy rework
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@Gunmech04 said:
Orion said:@SIlentCetra said:
######### are you even talking about?
* You bring in an item.
* Killer dodges.
* Killer gets an instant new lobby.
* Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.
Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude.
Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.
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Mhm yeah played a few more games and its pretty obvious.
BHVR is trolling once once again
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BHVR matchmaking
The real problem is SWF, but BHVR hasnt been given a ######### about that for 3 years, so I assume that this will never change
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@Pizzaman said:
@Master said:
With the stuf going on lately in the forum I assume that a lot of verteran kilers have been bullied away and are taking a break now.
I personally dont know any killer that still actively plays the game actually and im barely playing either compared to last yearAs much as it would fit the forum-narative of the killer that's threatened with extinction, it's most likely not related to that, because killers are not retreating from the game. It seems more logical that it is indeed related to backend changes of the match making. And it's happening to everyone.
Has anyone had a game of low rank survivors facing a high rank killer? I am just playing a fwe rounds on my low ranked survivor and I never faced a high rank killer so far. (A lot of survivors are starting "trying" to play killer though, really amusing
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@Kagrenac said:
Survivors complaining before even getting to play against the new DS are basically people who complain about NOEDFixed it for you
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Do you really think cote would ever play until he reaches red ranks?
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@Arroz said:
@Master said:
@Peasant said:
Slayer said:Any advise ? Much appereciated
Perkwise you can grab Whispers.
In general though, all comes down to map awareness. One general thing you can do to help in general is walk directly up to a window and examine corners for slopes. No windows have slopes by them so if you see one that's soneoneso arched back.Also, regarding cornfields know that they usually are in rows/columns . Just line yourself up with the rows and walk sideways to help better spot hiding surviviors. If you are chasing a survivior in a cornfield and loose them, as a last resort, freeze. Once you stop moving the only source of rustling will be the survivors.
There are more tips, but this is what's on my mind.
Whispers doesnt help you agains that.
literally yesterday I versed such a claudette with dark green cloths in the perfect environment. I was trying to mindgame at a pallet and swinged into nothing. Just that I hit her, I just didnt see her.....Maybe because you need some glasses?
My eye sight is fine, thanks for asking
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@TheBean said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
Pretty sure the Devs said dodging is ok.True... but... However, I believe there is a limit to what can be considered ok.
Maybe we should be asking BHVR a couple simple questions...
"Does BHVR condone killer players dodging a lobby when that player determines, specifically, that there is a SWF group in the lobby?"
"What information does the Developer actually believe the Killers should use, when determining, if they want to accept the lobby?"
Rather then trying to debate little issues of if something might happen or not... Maybe we need to nail down what the developers actually want Killers to see when determining if they accept the match or not.
Is there a Dev out there that wants to clear this up?
Its totally ok to dodge lobbies, the devs dont bann for it. And it doesnt matter whether you it once per day to dodge a certain guy, whether you dodge every SWF or whether you dodge 100 lobbies in a row just becuase you feel like it
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@scorpio said:
Kagrenac said:@Orion said:
You're not going to convince dodgers not to dodge. That's simply not possible. The best you can hope for is that the devs fix the reasons why they dodge. Personally, I don't bring in items and rarely use offerings, but thanks to my teammates, I still get dodged.
There are so many ways to help make items less usable. Nurse's, Coulrophobia, Overwhelming, Franklin's, Lightborn, Ruin, NOED to help with people who Gen-rush...I don't understand.
Oh ######### I didn’t know we could run 7 perks!
Some survivors never play killer, so they dont know that a killer doesnt have 16 perks like survivors
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You didnt wiggle hard enough
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BHVR is happening
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With the stuf going on lately in the forum I assume that a lot of verteran kilers have been bullied away and are taking a break now.
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@Hoodedfengm1n said:
@murryyg said:
this game is starting to become ######### and its only going to get worse if killers keep camping in front of survivorsGet payback, play killer and camp them
I think he knows abuot all the 2nd chance stuff and stuff enabling brain-dead unhooks, so he doesnt want to play killer either. at least thats my guess
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@Peasant said:
Master said:Sure why not, what would be a compensation to buff hex totems?
The totems are already being shoved into smaller and smaller corners. Once the totem is shrunk down to the size of just a skull things might actually be good.
They will be? When?
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@Detective_Jonathan said:
No seriously what is this that survivors are now saying is an exploit of the game. I have heard of some straight dumpster fire from survivors but hearing how pressing R to avoid a flashlight is an exploit makes me laugh. Apparently, R "exploiting" is when the killer rapidly presses R and drops the survivor, thus avoiding the flashlight blind. So what i want to know is, how many of you actually think this is some type of exploit, don't worry you won't be made fun of, but i do want some kind of discussion on how this is considered an exploit, when moonwalking legion is not an exploit.Of course its an exploit, you are supposed to face the flashlight with your face
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I cant remember, some time in 2016
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Sure why not, what would be a compensation to buff hex totems?
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Ok bro, maybe take a break
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@Melda said:
I understand, but how can matchmaking allow a rank 20 to play against ranks 2-3? And this wasn’t a Kill Your Friends...
Welcome to DBD, the palce where BVHR makes things happen that should not
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@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Master said:@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Close the gap between Solo and SWF as much as possible, but without just adding voice communication for Solo
- Adjust/tweak/buff/nerf survivors in general and killers
Two very simple steps, and the community already had plenty of ideas to close the gap.
Sadly, some "people" are really against any buffs for solos to close the gap and I really don't understand that mindset. It's beneficial for all us in the future.
The gap can only be closed by adding voice coms ingame. I really dont understand why everyone is so upset about this idea (other from survivors not wanting their advantage to be removed)
I can tell you why: I by myself want the solo experience to be balanced WITHOUT beeing forced to talk or hear other talking. Otherwise I could just get my friends and Q up in a group, that's not the issue.
You understand where I'm coming from?
Yes, but that means that your preference screws over all killers since it is impossible to balance the game this way. Of course they could split queues into SWF and solo and have some kind of penalty in SWF, but thats really not a solution
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@EntityDispleased said:
@Yamaoka said:
BigBadPiggy said:Like seriously, shut up about it. The devs have already said that it is in a position that they are comfortable and don't plan on changing it anytime soon.
How is that relevant? The developers are not the customers. If the vast majority of the customers wants something to be changed it will get changed. Ds.
If that's how game developers handled community feedback, video games will cease to exist.
I thought that too, but its working surprisingly well so far
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@Hoodedfengm1n said:
@Master said:
@Hoodedfengm1n said:
They will still depip if they go into hatchThey will actually blackpip at least since the emblem system is so screwd
That makes no sense whatsoever
Why not?
I tried it myself, being dwight all game afk in lockers, only switching them to avoid crows. Waiting for team to complete genrush and then escaping, I blackpiped
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Camping only works because survivors are always too stupid/entitled not to rush the hook.
If survivors used their brains, then camping would be the worst move a killer can do