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  • @greenarr8w said:
    Killed several times by stupid mistakes of jumping in to a locker instead of windows or doing a totem instead of throwing a pallet

    Never happened to me, but I dont smash the button several seconds before the vault either :wink:

  • @Blueberry said:
    What's y'alls thoughts on this?

    Personally, DC'ing to give a hatch and prevent the 4k is a straight up cop out to me. That loses a "gg" from me right there. The hatch is bad enough and it forces the killer to try and slug one while keeping an eye on them and all the gens simultaneously but you're even gonna deny that with a DC? This is also after the slug nerf. I wouldn't slug at all if we weren't forced to in order to 4 man.

    Just a pitty that the devs dont see the need to actually punish players for DCing.

  • @Peanits said:
    I would DC just to get that, so I'm not sure it would have the desired effect.

    You like to be seen? There are other cosmetics for that too.

    ALso I believe the number of players DCing for the cosmetics woudl be smaller than the number of players not DCing in order to avoid that "skin"

  • @Murlin said:
    I enjoy play with randoms(as survivor) but it's obvious devs are balancing the game for SWF, then randoms players have a huuuuuge disadvantage.
    When we have this? or this idea it's cancel?

    Devs are not balancing the game for SWF. At least not yet

  • I like this.
    Wouldnt affect the flashlight clickers that want your attention anyway, but I still like it.

    About separate queues.... apparently the devs are too scared to give us casual mode because of how it would affect matchmaking, a DC queue will probably never happen

  • @KingB said:
    Can we get 1 token for unhooking and another for a safe unhook? Reasonable buff.

    So 3 tokens for 1 unhook?
    lul

  • @Attackfrog said:
    What the hell!?!?!?

     "Gg"!?!? In a 4 k? With CAMPING!?!?!?

    Who are you? Jesus?

    No surviovrs are jsut stupid :lol:

  • @alivebydeadight said:

    @Milo said:
    Imma try later

    thanks, if it works, it can atleast counter ds on non obsessions, imma try to find a perk that can counter obsession ds so the ds complaining can CEASE

    You know that lullaby is immediately exposed via a notification?
    In my experience it rarely has an effect

  • @powerbats said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @zacmangaming said:
    As long as survivor mains threaten to bombard the game with negative reviews like the entitled douchebags they are then Mathieu and the rest of the dev team will continue to cater to pedochido and the rest of his cancerous fanbase.

    Sad but true

    thye need to ban anyone associated with he who must not be named

    They cant even bann he who must not be named.....

    Well that's funny since they perma banned him off PC, as far as PS4 goes that's up to Sony since they handle the bans their side.

    Sony doesnt hand out banns for stuff that happens ingame.
    Thats BHVRs job but they dont have the tools to do that yet ( I wonder why they released it first tbh, guess money > quality)

  • Doesnt matter, for tbagging you have to smash the button anyway and this is what hauses hurting fingers (survivors seem to enjoy it anyway)

  • Technically it should, however I cant confirm this since I dont use DS.

  • Im taking a break.

    Tried to come back after the halloween farming session, but it gets annoying. DCs everywhere, then SWFs..... hardly any normal games anymore

  • @darktrix said:

    @Master said:
    Dont try to get into the game right now. Its a really bad moment trying to do so.
    Devs still have a lot of stuff to do, fixing gap between solo/SWF and balance accordingly, then all the DCs and finally dedicated servers.

    Not sure if we will ever see those changes though

    Except they aren't fixing the gap between solo and SWF, they are widening it forcing solos to go SWF.

    Thats what they do atm. They make solo unbearable and killer vs SWF unbearable.
    By proceeding with this. I wonder how long the game can stay alive :wink:

    Im sure they have some long term ideas but maybe they are already developeing DBD 2, I dont know....

  • @Avariku said:
    I play both sides of the field, so I have a hard time actually seeing which side is worse. Both Killer and Survivor "usually" have valid points, but each group has people screaming and crying that they are being abused by the other side.

    Does one side REALLY have it worse than the other? 

    Survivors have face-campers, they have various abilities and offerings which seem rather useless, and not to mention the constant battle of solo players trying to keep up with toxic SWF's.

    Killers have loopers, body-blockers, Hex totems spawning next to survivor spawns, and of course toxic survivors.

    but for the most part it just seems like each are trying to play the "victim" card.

    You want to have a mature discussion, but I ask you. What exactly are you trying to discuss? :lol:

    The real issue is the gap between solo and SWF. SWF are able to litrally bully killers, but as a solo survivor its sometimes insanely difficult to get anything done. My suggestion: add ingame voice comms and balance the game around that

  • Dont try to get into the game right now. Its a really bad moment trying to do so.
    Devs still have a lot of stuff to do, fixing gap between solo/SWF and balance accordingly, then all the DCs and finally dedicated servers.

    Not sure if we will ever see those changes though

  • @Venzhas said:
    I'm on PS4 too, in France and I met lot of japanese people in my lobbies, with too much high ping, kinda weird

    I noticed that too.
    My guess is that a large portion of the EU community is fed up by now. Thats due to the devs not being able to handle the balance issues (solo, SWF etc) AND also there is no incentive to play/rank up.

    Its a pseudo-competitive game that forces you into a competitive queue.
    If you wanna play casually, you will verse sweaty people completely ruining your day by playing optimally (the game hasnt been designed for optimal play for some reason) or you are trying to play competitively and face the balance issues. Genrushing SWFs as killer or trying to play solo as survivor with complete morons as mates that are only rank 1 because devs made it ######### easy to rank up.

    The only way you can have consistenly fun is by playing SWF and "bullying" killers if you like that kind of playstyle (just gotta DC vs nurses)

    I am one of the fed up EU players btw in case you havent noticed already :wink:

  • @FinLadd said:
    I have A good internet so what is the problem with my matchmaking...btw Im a ps4 player 

    Region, rank and time you are trying to play?

  • @Visionmaker said:

    @Master said:

    @Visionmaker said:

    @Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:

    @Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:
    Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:

    I was searching for a method to make struggling and wiggling more comfortable for me (mouse wheel down is semi optimal) and I found a tool called Autohotkey. This can make scripts/macros for that. I searched around the Internet but couldn't find an official statement from EAC or the DbD devs, so I thought it's the best to ask here:

    Is this allowed to use? Can I get banned by that?

    This program is not listed on the EAC whitelist, so yes its usage can get you banned. However, we dont know whether EAC searches for it acitvely, but if it is detected you will be perma banned and there is no chance to get unbanned after that

    You gotta decide for youself whether this "comfort" is worth risking a perma bann, for me it isnt

    It isn't blacklisted either or is it? Does a blacklist even exist? I wish EAC or devs would be more transparent about those programs and giving us a clear YES or NO, especially EAC. It's a bit weird that you can possibly get PERMANENT banned for a pretty normal program without any information on any official website how EAC will behave to that. Doesn't feel like a competent anti cheat system if you ask me tho

    A blacklist never existed, even in the old system. (if there exists one now, please provide the link to it)

    Either it is whitelisted or you are at risk to get banned. And yes, you will get instantly perma banned for cheating (no thats not a pretty normal programm, you are gaining an ingame advantage by using a third party program). And EAC is by no means a competent anti cheat system^^

    What advantage I'm gaining exactly? I'm gaining absolute no advantage, the speed of wiggling is limited, and struggling doesn't matter either how fast spacebar gets smashed. So idk what point your making but it's illogical tho.
    With "normal program" I mean people are using AHK or other similar software in daily bases on their office workflow for automatic sequences for example.

    There is indeed a perfect speed in that you mash the key. Thats wh y you always getr a diffreent number of struggle poitns for example.

    ... You don't play survivor too often, do you?

    You hit it too fast => some hits dont register
    You hit it too slow => you lose struggle time

    But if you used macros from the very beginning, you dont know that :wink:

    Um.. I've almost never gotten any less than ~893 points or something like that. It's a consistent number, not matter how absurdly fast you press. Hitting "too" fast doesn't exist. If you hit too slow you die. That's it. But slow is literally missing a beat.There are rarely cases the value changes.

    If you claim that values are constantly changing, I doubt you play survivor at all. Especially when you think people use macros to get consistent struggle points...

    Apparently you know better. Good for you :wink:

  • @Visionmaker said:

    @Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:

    @Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:
    Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:

    I was searching for a method to make struggling and wiggling more comfortable for me (mouse wheel down is semi optimal) and I found a tool called Autohotkey. This can make scripts/macros for that. I searched around the Internet but couldn't find an official statement from EAC or the DbD devs, so I thought it's the best to ask here:

    Is this allowed to use? Can I get banned by that?

    This program is not listed on the EAC whitelist, so yes its usage can get you banned. However, we dont know whether EAC searches for it acitvely, but if it is detected you will be perma banned and there is no chance to get unbanned after that

    You gotta decide for youself whether this "comfort" is worth risking a perma bann, for me it isnt

    It isn't blacklisted either or is it? Does a blacklist even exist? I wish EAC or devs would be more transparent about those programs and giving us a clear YES or NO, especially EAC. It's a bit weird that you can possibly get PERMANENT banned for a pretty normal program without any information on any official website how EAC will behave to that. Doesn't feel like a competent anti cheat system if you ask me tho

    A blacklist never existed, even in the old system. (if there exists one now, please provide the link to it)

    Either it is whitelisted or you are at risk to get banned. And yes, you will get instantly perma banned for cheating (no thats not a pretty normal programm, you are gaining an ingame advantage by using a third party program). And EAC is by no means a competent anti cheat system^^

    What advantage I'm gaining exactly? I'm gaining absolute no advantage, the speed of wiggling is limited, and struggling doesn't matter either how fast spacebar gets smashed. So idk what point your making but it's illogical tho.
    With "normal program" I mean people are using AHK or other similar software in daily bases on their office workflow for automatic sequences for example.

    There is indeed a perfect speed in that you mash the key. Thats wh y you always getr a diffreent number of struggle poitns for example.

    ... You don't play survivor too often, do you?

    You hit it too fast => some hits dont register
    You hit it too slow => you lose struggle time

    But if you used macros from the very beginning, you dont know that :wink:

  • @AnotherRandy said:

    @Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:
    Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:

    I was searching for a method to make struggling and wiggling more comfortable for me (mouse wheel down is semi optimal) and I found a tool called Autohotkey. This can make scripts/macros for that. I searched around the Internet but couldn't find an official statement from EAC or the DbD devs, so I thought it's the best to ask here:

    Is this allowed to use? Can I get banned by that?

    This program is not listed on the EAC whitelist, so yes its usage can get you banned. However, we dont know whether EAC searches for it acitvely, but if it is detected you will be perma banned and there is no chance to get unbanned after that

    You gotta decide for youself whether this "comfort" is worth risking a perma bann, for me it isnt

    It isn't blacklisted either or is it? Does a blacklist even exist? I wish EAC or devs would be more transparent about those programs and giving us a clear YES or NO, especially EAC. It's a bit weird that you can possibly get PERMANENT banned for a pretty normal program without any information on any official website how EAC will behave to that. Doesn't feel like a competent anti cheat system if you ask me tho

    A blacklist never existed, even in the old system. (if there exists one now, please provide the link to it)

    Either it is whitelisted or you are at risk to get banned. And yes, you will get instantly perma banned for cheating (no thats not a pretty normal programm, you are gaining an ingame advantage by using a third party program). And EAC is by no means a competent anti cheat system^^

    What advantage I'm gaining exactly? I'm gaining absolute no advantage, the speed of wiggling is limited, and struggling doesn't matter either how fast spacebar gets smashed. So idk what point your making but it's illogical tho.
    With "normal program" I mean people are using AHK or other similar software in daily bases on their office workflow for automatic sequences for example.

    There is indeed a perfect speed in that you mash the key. Thats wh y you always getr a diffreent number of struggle poitns for example.

    I dont know why we are arguing about this though. THe program is definitely not on the whitelist, so you are running the risk to get banned. Whether its worth that, you gotta decide for yourself

  • Nobody knows until it arrives.
    In the beginning they explained how they wanted to do that stuff, in the first three weeks they ignored the schedules 2 times already :wink:

  • @alivebydeadight said:

    @Master said:

    @alivebydeadight said:

    @Master said:

    @alivebydeadight said:

    @Master said:

    @Damarus said:

    @alivebydeadight said:
    DS needs a rework and NOED is easily countered, NOED does not need to be removed your just salty about the perk, DS needs a rework because its a get out of jail free card

    As much as DS is easily countered, and just as much as NOED is a hook someone for free card ;)

    How do you counter ds though?

    rancor will make it to where you dont need to hook them to mori them at exit gate, trappers presence perk mixed with tier 3 enduring helps too

    Rancor ignores the problem until the game is over (works for 1 DS only btw), enduring weakens the stun but doesnt change the fact that the survivor frees himself

    dont forget unnerving, that decreases the size of the skill check, making it slightly harder to hit per tier

    Thats not a counter since the survivor can still hit it lol.

    A counter is for example cleansing dull totems vs NOED

    But does it help, yes, no perk but rancor can counter the perk and it doesnt do its job

    Even rancor doesnt counter DS, you are forced to ignore the obession the whole game AND fro the other 3 DS it has no impact at all

  • @alivebydeadight said:

    @Master said:

    @alivebydeadight said:

    @Master said:

    @Damarus said:

    @alivebydeadight said:
    DS needs a rework and NOED is easily countered, NOED does not need to be removed your just salty about the perk, DS needs a rework because its a get out of jail free card

    As much as DS is easily countered, and just as much as NOED is a hook someone for free card ;)

    How do you counter ds though?

    rancor will make it to where you dont need to hook them to mori them at exit gate, trappers presence perk mixed with tier 3 enduring helps too

    Rancor ignores the problem until the game is over (works for 1 DS only btw), enduring weakens the stun but doesnt change the fact that the survivor frees himself

    dont forget unnerving, that decreases the size of the skill check, making it slightly harder to hit per tier

    Thats not a counter since the survivor can still hit it lol.

    A counter is for example cleansing dull totems vs NOED

  • @SmokePotion said:

    @Master said:

    @Damarus said:

    @alivebydeadight said:
    DS needs a rework and NOED is easily countered, NOED does not need to be removed your just salty about the perk, DS needs a rework because its a get out of jail free card

    As much as DS is easily countered, and just as much as NOED is a hook someone for free card ;)

    How do you counter ds though?

    Pay attention to the chase and put them down within dribbling range of a hook.

    Pick them up and turn backwards so your back faces a corner. They always jump off the back, this means they have to waste 2 seconds of a 3 second stun passing you. if you have enduring the chase wont last but a few seconds, and if you're the clown and they had to run through your smoke after the ds, you probably already got them.

    Slug them. (this works great, as you don't get a camping penalty and can freely smack the altruistic people) Keep in mind it doesn't take long to pick someone up, once they fill there "help me" meter up. So plan for a circle back to reslug.

    I do think DS should be changed though, its kind of to good, with no real alternatives to replace it. Even if you are building for stealth, altruism, or objectives, theres no reason not to put DS in your kit.

    As opposed to NOED. If i'm playing someone where I don't expect them to get to the gates or doesn't have great end game presence, I'll skip this for more map pressure perks.
    It should also be noted that good survivors pay attention to dull totems, and the moment someone is one hit when the gates get powered, they go check them. NOED might give you one hook against high rank players, it's up to the killer to turn that one hook into a good end game.

    Its the survivor who decides where he is downed, not the killer.

    2 seconds? In what world do you live? :lol: The only location where this works is at the basement stair

    Slugging only ignores the problem sinec you actually want to hook to kill them. Even if you run knock out, a SWF will always know where the slugged person is btw

  • @alivebydeadight said:

    @Master said:

    @Damarus said:

    @alivebydeadight said:
    DS needs a rework and NOED is easily countered, NOED does not need to be removed your just salty about the perk, DS needs a rework because its a get out of jail free card

    As much as DS is easily countered, and just as much as NOED is a hook someone for free card ;)

    How do you counter ds though?

    rancor will make it to where you dont need to hook them to mori them at exit gate, trappers presence perk mixed with tier 3 enduring helps too

    Rancor ignores the problem until the game is over (works for 1 DS only btw), enduring weakens the stun but doesnt change the fact that the survivor frees himself

  • When they introduced that system, the devs said they didnt want to make the player lvl depending on your performanec ingame.

  • Survivors will never like that so it will never become a thing.
    Just look what happened to the hatch closing mechanic or the SC/DS rework.

  • @AnotherRandy said:
    Master said:

    @AnotherRandy said:

    I was searching for a method to make struggling and wiggling more comfortable for me (mouse wheel down is semi optimal) and I found a tool called Autohotkey. This can make scripts/macros for that. I searched around the Internet but couldn't find an official statement from EAC or the DbD devs, so I thought it's the best to ask here:

    Is this allowed to use? Can I get banned by that?

    This program is not listed on the EAC whitelist, so yes its usage can get you banned. However, we dont know whether EAC searches for it acitvely, but if it is detected you will be perma banned and there is no chance to get unbanned after that

    You gotta decide for youself whether this "comfort" is worth risking a perma bann, for me it isnt

    It isn't blacklisted either or is it? Does a blacklist even exist? I wish EAC or devs would be more transparent about those programs and giving us a clear YES or NO, especially EAC. It's a bit weird that you can possibly get PERMANENT banned for a pretty normal program without any information on any official website how EAC will behave to that. Doesn't feel like a competent anti cheat system if you ask me tho

    A blacklist never existed, even in the old system. (if there exists one now, please provide the link to it)

    Either it is whitelisted or you are at risk to get banned. And yes, you will get instantly perma banned for cheating (no thats not a pretty normal programm, you are gaining an ingame advantage by using a third party program). And EAC is by no means a competent anti cheat system^^

  • I agree. Also they need to adress the difference between solo and SWF, maybe even with different queues

  • @Damarus said:

    @alivebydeadight said:
    DS needs a rework and NOED is easily countered, NOED does not need to be removed your just salty about the perk, DS needs a rework because its a get out of jail free card

    As much as DS is easily countered, and just as much as NOED is a hook someone for free card ;)

    How do you counter ds though?

  • Yes, the guy who designed the forum has to be fired.

    Good luck trying to read somethign on your phone if there is sunligth anywhere close

  • @TheHag said:
    Hey hey, So I recently hit red ranks (rank 1 and 2) as killer and I'm having quite a bit of trouble. ruin gets destroyed 2 seconds into the game, going through loops I can't really do anything about etc. The only time I am able to score a four-man is if the survivors are just plain brain-dead. I believe this is because I use mediocre killers like The Pig and The Doctor whose powers doesn't directly help in the chase, proving quite the challenge to catch competent survivors. And I don't really feel like playing S-Tier killers. Any tips for a scrub like me to improve my gameplay?

    Pig and doc are bad killers at high ranks. You need killers with map control or with the ability to end chases quickily. Pig and doc do neither of those.
    Billy has good map control.
    But nurse is the best, she has map control and can end chases quickly.

    When you play nurse and lose, then you can really blame the lose on yourself and need to "git gud" :wink:

  • @Zarathos said:
    BigBadPiggy said:

    @Master said:

     @BigBadPiggy said:
    

    The number one thing I hate on here is people saying "I'm not picking favorites, I'm good at playing as this thing. Here, let me tell you how good I am at this thing." This isn't a place to compare penis sizes, okay?

    You receive a ban because it can be unfair for the opposing side. Majorly unfair. It's done this way because people in the past have been at rank 5 and lower and want to be major douche bags by bullying newer players.

    Deranking is not bannable, dont spread false information.
    

    Only DCing is bannable

    The main way people derank is by DCing. You lose two pips for DCing as apposed to losing only one for not doing anything the whole match. It makes sense for people to DC in order to derank because it's faster. Deranking may not be bannable. I see it as "forced deranking". That can be bannable.

    I thought if you do nothing you get disgraceful defeat. Via stealth freddy or wraith. I got this before in the old hook system when i started the game.

    No with the new emblem system you always lose 1 pip at most. The only way to lose 2 pips is by DCing which is quite ridiculous

  • @Spicybarbecue said:
    generally speeking I have never seen a survivor dc unless the killer was being a dick, I know I personally have never had a survivor dc vs me in any of my games..so basically if someone dc's vs you, you were being an ass(using nurse auto qualifies you for this)

    as for killers dc'ing that's normally due to frustration with the game due to the game being 1000 times harder on killer

    I assume you are using the survivors definition of using a dick.
    Yes, then they only DC if the killer is a dick, for example if they hear a electric shock sound across the map, better DC before the doc comes to you. Or an hidden offering?`Must be an mori, such a toxic killer.....DC

  • The only time when bodyblocking adds somethign meaningful to the game is when the killer is trying to bodyblock a dead harding survivor away from a pallet. Thats the only situation where I enjoy bodyblocking in DBD because its a skillfull thing to pull off.

    Facecamping doesnt exist anymore

    tunneling?(I assume you are talking about killer tunneling) Thats a killer using his brain and trying to win, cant really do much about that, just like when survivor tunnel gens

    Hatch is in desperate need of a rework and the devs know that. I dont know what is coming and it looks like they lost their balls considering that they scraped the hatch losing mechanic, the DS and SC rework aswlel.....

    slugging. Yeah I sucks not being able to do anythign on the floor and just bleeding out. I woudl like to see a concede option such that you can leave the game without losing your points if you are crawling around waiting for the death.

  • I still dontn understand why there is no instant punishment like a queue penalty for DCing like in any other game.
    But I guess they cant do that or their favourite fogstreamers cant derank by DCing anymore :wink:

  • @riotangel said:
    Looks like I've encountered yet another WGLF farmer in cahoots with momento mori killer to wipe out the other three of us, before leaving her alone to fix generators and escape. I only recorded the match after we were dead (when it dawned on to me what had happened to the others), but the rest of the match clearly shows the WGLF farmer in cooperation with killer.

    I tried to use the in-game player feedback UI (thumb down/up button) but it did not respond. So, even that is broken now? How does one report players these days?

    If you didnt record the cooperation with the killer, then you cant proof it.
    A killer letting the last survivor repair gens to escape is not bannable

  • @HellDescent said:

    @Master said:
    Mods are still sleeping I guess, we probably dont have any EU mods, idk

    I didn't mean mods. They should have some kind of filter in place. Considering these are also english forums

    Just like ingame, BHVR prefers to hire manpower to deal with such problems instead of implementing a proper automatic solution for this.

    Its probably cheaper this way because mods are not payed afaik

  • Mods are still sleeping I guess, we probably dont have any EU mods, idk

  • @CakeDuty said:

    @Master said:
    Its both, additionally it ignores collision with the killer

    Last part isn't true. I've used it and gotten stuck on the killer multiple times.

    Then you timed it wrong

  • What rank and region are you, are you trying to play right now?

  • Last time the community created sth, DS was born.

  • @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @zacmangaming said:
    As long as survivor mains threaten to bombard the game with negative reviews like the entitled douchebags they are then Mathieu and the rest of the dev team will continue to cater to pedochido and the rest of his cancerous fanbase.

    Sad but true

    thye need to ban anyone associated with he who must not be named

    They cant even bann he who must not be named.....

  • I only dont play survivor because im sick of Dcing teammates and complete plebs being put into my team that actualyl belong to lower ranks.

  • @zacmangaming said:
    As long as survivor mains threaten to bombard the game with negative reviews like the entitled douchebags they are then Mathieu and the rest of the dev team will continue to cater to pedochido and the rest of his cancerous fanbase.

    Sad but true

  • @George_Soros said:
    I'm glad sabo is back in business. A lot of players, including True say slugging is a very boring gameplay, but I appreciate those funny moments when I carry a survivor and in the last moment, another just drops the hook right in front of me. This needs a bit of skill and good timing, I can respect that.
    Not a winning strategy, since there are no gens done, but still a fun one.

    When true talks about slugging I think he refers to camping a downed survivor on the ground.

    in Sabo Comment by Master
  • @ACEvHEARTS said:
    Master said:

    Ive been hearing "optimization" for years now and Ive seen hardly any difference. In fact, they even introduced maps where the fps were even worse than on the beginner ones (lerys for example)

    For years? It hasn’t even been a year and a half since the game came out on console. 

    I’m hopeful about it because some improvement is better than nothing, but I won’t be holding my breath for a miracle. 

    Optimization was a thing since the very beginning. The game has never been in an optimized state, even on PC

  • I dont believe that NOED ruins the game, but if we can get rid of DS this way, sure, any time :lol:

  • @EntityDispleased said:
    The fastest way I'd say is afking as Freddy. You'll pretty much end up with a -2 pip because you have absolutely no interaction with the trial whatsoever. A funway to derank though is facecamping with bubba.

    The only time you get -2 pips is by DCing now.
    AFk freddy is only the fastest non-DCing way because the survivors cant bully you in the dreamworld

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