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@Redplanet said:
I guess I'll respond as best I can to posts as all in oneNew player doesn't mean newborn. I've played games long enough to make logical conclusions and written my own games on the Unity engine to also understand that even me just saying any of this isn't as simple as an if/or/then equation in the code but other variables and tracking. So yes, I'm new, to this game, but even a newbie can see camping not being discouraged is a bring down on the game and I guarantee you not all new players keep trying like I do. So if you want stagnant community, call everyone that hates camping ######### because they've never played any game in their life so have no clue about this one.
For those saying "this can't be done because of this or that or they've tried it". I appreciate the input. This post is for discussion not for who's right and who's wrong. Though It's said they've tried some things I personally still feel something else needs to be tried.
For those who say, play for fun, not rank. Agreed. This game is not going to be my life lol, not even close, which is why it counters others saying "rise the ranks". I would love to. Though I'm not going to jot notes or such and I won't hate life if I don't climb the ranks I would like to succeed. This game should be looked as for the casual market for friends to bring in friends which is why I post my disdain for camping. Because of this, I've told my friends to hold off on getting the game.
Killers should be able to protect their kill or it's their right. Currently you're absolutely right, but I don't think it should be. There's some out there that one shot you then hook you. You really think I should be thinking about their "right" when my counter to a face punch is zig-zag. I'm not saying killers are broken, and honestly overall I think they have it a little tough (some anyway), but CAMPING should not be your answer to "life is rough, do it the cheap way". How is that fun for anyone? Killer stands silently in the dark only feet away from his victim. The victim squirms in agony..... still dark, killer still standing. THE VICTIM IS FRE.. no wait, just still squirming. (yawn)
For those saying climb the ranks and equip X. It sucks to have to have some special item but I don't argue this at all. I mean what game doesn't have "use this to help that", but again unfortunately it boils to, in a random group, it's hard to climb the ranks with a camper being rewarded with not only better ranking but tons of BP as well. I was all for getting more BP as a killer my first time playing one due to queue time, but of course there's more killers and longer times, its so simple to stock up BP while survivors have to hope that the 3 other people are able to read their minds for a good match up.
For those that say "Just DC, that's what me and my friends do". Uninstall is my recommendation to you. If you are just DC'ing you are just as bad as a camper. I never leave a match, I never flame, and I never troll. Not because I'm above it, I just wait until I understand the community more before I attack it, but I rather ask the devs to put the thinking caps on for a problem than create a whole new one myself and DC.
@Master - Thanks for the vid link, I did watch it, and that's a shame.. maybe. I mean, I'm not against camping, I'm against it being so simple and overpowered. Stand there, kill people, get BP and XP. Look at camping the way you look at BBQ and what the devs did on whatever nerf. They aren't against BBQ, just the way it functions. That's how I see camping. Yeah, keep it, it's a real thing just don't make it so rewarding and easy to do.
Camping is actually a really bad and weak strategy. Once you stand 2 minutes afk in front of the hook, all gens should be done and the other 3 survivors should have an easy escape.
IN reality however, the entitled survivors throw themselves at the hook and crying about "noob strats" afterwards, but if you are using your brain (apparemtöly you've played games long enough to make logical conclusions), then you see that its the survivors who make this a viable strategy.
Now we can ask ourselves why that is the case. My answer to this is sad, but the devs have catered to survivors for so long (look this dlc for example) that they have been never forced to adapt and refuse to do so if they can get "camping fixed" for example by crying enough.
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@TheBean said:
@ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:
Right because people should totally agree instead of giving a reason to leave the hook you have to "nerf camping" only entitled idiots like you can agree with this crying new player.
Munch.... Munch....

Have another bowl
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Was the original thread closed?
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Oh no, nerf freddy

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@alivebydeadight said:
@Nokillerinozone said:
OP killer so it's pretty badtell us, how is he OP, or are you a rank 20?
Look at this name, case closed
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@AntiJelly said:
@Master said:
@AntiJelly said:
Is there going to be a separate patch coming out before the end of December as the "Optimization Patch"? I've been waiting a long time for it, since I play on console. Playing killer is nice and all, but playing killer with over 30 fps? That's NICE! Just wondering.With the new engine, everything got even worse

I am really curious whats gonna happen for midchapterWell, sort of. Before the upgrade, fps was kind of all over the place. Now that they updated the engine, the fps is more consistent, buuuuut....it is definitely worse.
The problem is all the moving objects ie. grass, sparks, leaves, etc. It's bogging down the engine, especially since the entire map is consantly loaded for every player, it puts a lot of strain on GPU I think.
What we need are graphic settings
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@Nokillerinozone said:
OP killer so it's pretty bad
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@PigMainBigBrain said:
@Nikkiwhat said:
Developers stated any movement speed increase would make Legion overpowered..... sighs heavilyIt would make him overpowered. Imagine pig with an instant lunge that could vault pallets and stayed at a constant 115 movespeed. Thats what you'd get.
Sounds still weaker than nurse tbh
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@Redplanet said:
I swear, I really am trying as a new player not to be judgmental but why is there no penalty for camping?I'm not saying severe but at least something. It's so dumb learning and leveling and trying to get new ranks just to be shut down because all a killer has to do is camp one by one. It just makes me want to stop playing because I run in to that almost every game. I can sit there on the hook and watch the killer stand there, or be trying to save someone and see them just standing there.
Yes, I know, "if they are camping just get gens". I agree but that won't work. If in a group, yeah sure, but if in randoms and can't talk, no one knows what anyone is doing. I'm not sure exactly but I think it was 80 seconds to get a gen solo and 120 seconds you can survive on the hook (first time no bleeds).
So lets assume there was a group getting a gen at the start, happens a lot. We'll say 4 generators left, 360 seconds. To kill all four people (excluding hunting just for simple numbers) you're looking at 480 seconds to kill everyone in a camp.
That gives you just over 1 minute to get every generator, but wait, lets add on the exit (20 seconds) which means you have exactly 60 seconds of spare time.
Now, I said all that not to sounds uppity, I'm not, I'm new please correct anything. I just mentioned it to lead into my fix idea.
My Idea (Please comment as you please):
Debuff the Killer and Buff the survivors:
- Once a killer places a survivor on a hook there will be a 5 second delay before the following actions are applied
No-Camping Aura: After 5 seconds an aura will form around the hooked survivor. Any time the killer enters this aura while it is active they will suffer a 6% movement debuff which will only be removed after 1 second of stepping out of the aura or by the following.
- The survivor has been removed from the hook by another survivor, by means of self removal, or by death. The aura effect lingers for 1 second after any of these conditions are met.
Generator Boost Aura: A boost to all generators will be given any time the No-Camping Aura is applied to the killer but is removed any time the debuff is not on the killer.
1. While Generator Boost Aura is active all generators will repair 10% quicker and stacking .5% for every second the killer has the No-Camping debuff. This stacking buff will reset back to 10% each time the No-Camping debuff resets. Generator Boost Aura also will drop to 0% any time there is another survivor in the No-Camping Aura which would typically signify a save attempt in progress.Yes, there's some flaws to work out here, I just thought of and typed this out quickly after yet another camping match where I get little BP and the killer gets tons of BP just for standing there.
This is my idea though and there's a lot of ways to play with it. Adjusting movement debuff, adjusting either Aura, adjusting range of Aura or maybe even instead of a generator boost while the Killer is within range the survivor takes no infestation or whatever so if you stand there, they will never die and you can either keep standing until everyone else escapes or go be a real killer.
The answer is simple. Camping is an intended way to play the game, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS3DvvOQI04Btw, BBQ was already a solution to diminish camping but survivors cried about it being OP so its aura reading got nerfed and we will see increased camping now

- Once a killer places a survivor on a hook there will be a 5 second delay before the following actions are applied
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@Might_Oakk said:
Devs are grown ups with jobs. Probably don't want to spends loads of hours in their spare time what they work on all day.Pretty much every studio employs play testers.
Thats as if a automotive designer doesnt want to test drive the car he has designed. It simply is not true

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@DarkGGhost said:
I mean most of the devs are are the best rank 15-13 and only @not_Queen is worth in them. So why devs don't play in rank 1 or even in rank 7 to see who the game is other wise we have killers like Legion and nerf to fredy.Because they are very well aware how broken their game is and they dont want to be bullied by those "sweaty SWAT squads" (that actually dont exist
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@AntiJelly said:
Is there going to be a separate patch coming out before the end of December as the "Optimization Patch"? I've been waiting a long time for it, since I play on console. Playing killer is nice and all, but playing killer with over 30 fps? That's NICE! Just wondering.With the new engine, everything got even worse

I am really curious whats gonna happen for midchapter -
Hex haunted grounds was there fix to the totem mechanic.
Pretty good job as usual

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@se05239 said:
@Master said:
@RSB said:
"People want every killer to be better and better than Billy and Nurse, if the killer is not better, top tier, then they don't like it."Oh [BAD WORD], give me a break. At least make the killer fun to play as and against, a fair one, balanced, we are not asking for a better killer than Nurse.
That ignorant killed me with his words.
Cote is known for that.
The quotes "pretty good job so far" and "play survivor/civ" are also from him.If he is forced to play killer, then we see results like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98e-Y4Lu8w&t=1sGood that he doesnt play DBD in his freetime, he would be really unhappy I guess

If this was a larger company, akin to EA or Activision, players would leave the game in droves thanks to his wokeness. Why aren't the DbD players more critical towards Mathieu and his drones?
A lot of DBD veterans have already left the game. I play only a very small amount of DBD anymore too =(
Also they can be lucky that there still is no competitior in this segment and friday 13th failed to deliver too. (from what ive seen)DBD is turning into a casual fest, rank 1 is completely laughable nowadays and consoles become more and more important. Even in the forum, the share of console players raises rapidly.
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Interesting....
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@AshleyWB said:
OMG BEAST OF PREY NERF.
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@RSB said:
"People want every killer to be better and better than Billy and Nurse, if the killer is not better, top tier, then they don't like it."Oh [BAD WORD], give me a break. At least make the killer fun to play as and against, a fair one, balanced, we are not asking for a better killer than Nurse.
That ignorant killed me with his words.
Cote is known for that.
The quotes "pretty good job so far" and "play survivor/civ" are also from him.If he is forced to play killer, then we see results like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98e-Y4Lu8w&t=1sGood that he doesnt play DBD in his freetime, he would be really unhappy I guess

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Well survivors not showing on BBQ will lead me to the assumption that they rush the hook

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@ManfredTheCrab said:
I'm tired. Today I'm playing 3 hours and have so many 3 vs. 1 matches. Why the game is loading a game with only 3 survivors? When the map is loaded and there are only 3 of 4 survivors, the game should automatically get quit. Like when the Killer left the game but with a message like: "Conditions were not fulfilled - only 3/2/1 Survivor was loaded into the trial."
Nobody loses his Items and add-ons. Nobody is mad or something else because you have to deal AGAIN with this 3vs1 mess. Devs, when you really want that this happens regularly, why we have to wait for a 4th or 3rd survivor in a lobby? Just let us play 2vs1 with only 3 gens. Easy game. Everybody can get a P.I.P. because it's so easy to get enough points and emblem qualification. This is a big issue. Why you can't fix this issue so easily?Yes its time to finally punish those ragequitting babies
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Well its not rlly better on PC sadly....
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
I can already tell, the DC's against legion are just insane!!!! They are going to look at the stats and think that legions kill rate is too high when it's really just DC's. Seriously, we don't need another Freddy, it happened once and I really hope it doesn't happen againSurvivors still DC against doc.....

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@Wolf74 said:
The new visuals of the game make it VERY hard to actually see if a survivor is in dreamstate or not.
That is just another nerf to the worst killer in the game.Freddy is unchanged. The survivors still cant bully him in the dreamworld which makes him the best deranking killer

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@Lyro92 said:
I know dedicated servers aren't planned to come until around summer of 2019, however will they be fixing a lot of the DCing issues? Countless games of people DCing so we know the threat of them being banned isn't working, and I've never seen someone actually banned for leaving games. Right now I know it's hard to detect since it's peer to peer based, but with the dedicated servers it wouldn't be, can we then start having more bans for people leaving games?This is a screenshot of just my last game, I've blacked out the names that are reported for DCing, and the one who is left wasn't streaming, but was the only one to stay in the game, and even let themselves die on hook so their fourth could get the hatch. They were up voted, not down-voted, so no name shame for him.

Edit: I also forgot to mention, that's a BPS (Bloody Party Streamer), everyone was going to get 100% extra bloodpoints, and yet they all DC'd anyways. What's wrong with people. I wasn't being unfair, I didn't cheat or do anything BM. The first guy jumped into a locker basically in front of me, and DC'd the moment they got hooked. The second one DC'd right after getting downed after getting two pallet stuns on me.
We dont have DCing issues, we have ragequitting issues.
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@MuteNewt said:
The aura blocking was needed in order to restore the core value of the game. Which is hide and seek. I feel the complaining is mainly coming from the B&C users. Just a friendly reminder that there was a time that myself and so many other killers didnt have B&C and all other aura reading perks we are spoiled with these days. There was plently of 4k games then and there will be plently more today. Please stop complaining about features that are restoring balance and fun to the game.Thanks again Behaviour for a great Chapter. Loving it so far!

The game is all about looping.
BBQ is an incentive against camping, I dont think I need to explain you whats going to happen if you take that incentive away
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@JanTheMan said:
Stop with the legion buff ideas. They're all the same, 115% movement speed, make perks synergies, rework deep wound, my goodness the point has been made!The spamming will continue until the devs confirm the rework, just like it has been with freddy.....
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@Mr_Myers said:
@Master said:
BigBubs said:Spirit can't see survivor , legion can , which is why the stun.
If you really believe he won't be too strong without the stun then you got something wrong with the way you think, sorry.
Do you believe that legion without the stun would be stronger than nurse?
hell no, the Nurse can literally ignore WALLS. She just says, "loops, tf are those?" She just ignores the game, and Legion is still vulnerable to loops like very other killer
Well then legion wouldnt be too strong

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Do you believe that legion without the stun would be stronger than nurse?BigBubs said:Spirit can't see survivor , legion can , which is why the stun.
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@Jimsalabim said:
After the update we got today, the lighting in maps for me is too bright. But especially in the Mcmillan maps you can see how badly this is. It's like there is bright light refleciting all over the map.
Is anyone else experience this ?PS: Screenshots are futher down
Weird, for me lightning is too dark.
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Pretty good job indeed

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@Bug_Reporter said:
@RSB said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/34622/killers-like-legion-spirit-and-hag-need-nerfs#latestIt is happening, wild survivors broke the First Gate to our Kingdom! Prepare crossbowmen, boiling oil in cauldrons and Elite squadron of Nurses - they will lead the charge. Clowns and Huntresses on the walls, aiding Billies and Bubbas on the frontline, Trappers and Hags trapping near forest and outer walls, Wraiths and Piggies scouting behind the enemies lines, Spirits and Michaels - assasin their leaders! Doctors! Healthy our men!
Freddy... Now you have a souchef in your kitchen, show Legion how to cook a nice meals for our warriors.
Where is the LOL button?
Here it is:

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@Theluckyboi said:
Title, why is Cannibal usually ranked so low in tier lists? he seems pretty good to me even without add-ons.-1 hit down chainsaw
-Better movility than hillbilly
-Great at basement buildsHe is only bad on specific maps like lery´s and coldwind farm.
No map pressure, no tools that help against looping
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@IceKholdStare said:
and taking two years to fix the killer (Wraith, Hag, ect... where's Freddy?)
How about you focus on quality?It feels like balance is based around the addons, which become mandatory and the perks are better suited for other characters.
As long as the DLCs sell well enough (apparently they do), they will value quantity over quality
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I dropped my lol button

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@Poweas said:
Seriously how did this happen it's stupid. I faced a Billy and used Sprint Burst to run away from him and got pretty far BUT it teleported me into his SAW and I got downed. Is this autoaim XD. No it's a bug. Please fix this it's made survivor unplayable since the killers can get me from so, so far away because I teleport it's really unfair. @Cake1100 btw I apologise for assuming u tried to lead the killer to me in that game I now realise he just found me. It's just that I once had a survivor do that with a Billy and it makes me on edge whenever I see someone get slugged like that and the killer finding me. But ik you didn't try to lead him to me.Well the chainsaw has compensation because the devs didnt manage to get the hitbox done properly.
And everybody knows that sprinburst+billy is basically asking for a bug, before they changed the hitbox you could literally chainsaw straight after a survivor runing with sprintburst and were unable to hit them
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@Nikkiwhat said:
[BAD WORD] Christ...just played on Yamakoa Estate as Hag and not only was it beyond infuriating to watch thia game play on about 5-10 frames...but I can't count on both hands how many times I go to slap a Gen and the prompt goes away and I have to move back and forth to get it to appear again....Just when I was back to playing and having a fun time.....Either this update made it worse and more frequent, esp on certain maps or I've somehow been lucky till now...
I can only imagine how hard it must suck to play on a low performance machine..... damn
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It makes totally sense.
Everybody is trying the new killer just like they do after every chapter release -
Killer cant see survivors=> killer camps

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@notveryyoung said:
CANT HERE WHISPERS AS WELL AND OTHER IMPORTANT SOUNDS BECAUSE YOU TURNED THE CHASE MUSIC UP TOO HIGHIM OLDER PLAYER SO I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO THIS
YOU TURNED IT UP 25% OWW THIS IS HURTING ME
IS IT EVEN LOUDER THAN BEFORE? HAVENT PLAYED YET
GUESS I WILL MUTE SOUND AND LISTEN TO SOME NICE MUSIC THEN
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@The_Crusader said:
Must be a survivor.Buffed fog and more aura counters.....yeah claudettes going to be loving this.
Of course its a survivor, look at his name

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Soon TM
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I recommend filling out a support ticket
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@Morteth said:
So the new chapter should be online now, right? As is in the roadmap plan for patches? Where's the chapter???Roadmap for legion cube?

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SWF completely breaks matchmaking. (balance too btw)
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@MyNamePete said:
I don’t get this, how is D.S. even so strong? If you’re the obsession you either get to get off the shoulders instantly or you just miss it. If you aren’t the obsession you have to wiggle first, which is much harder now because hooks are practically everywhere.It can be strong in some cases, yes, but only a few and is very situational. The most popular being picked up at the exit gate and escaping, which is very situational. It’s like e blood warden of survivor, but no one complains about blood warden.
Missing the skillchecks is compeltely the survivors fault.
You said it yourself, you get off the shoulder instantly and yet you ask why the perk is so strong?And you can bodyblock for non-obsession DSes and they can escape easily
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
no i dont use it and its easy to counterhow? enlight me
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@zacmangaming said:
"Evader represents your ability to stay hidden from the killer"Well that's funny since I only got hit once by the killer at the end when the gates were open and I literally didn't get anything in the Evader emblem section. Thanks Devs but you might want to reword that into "mindlessly loop the killer instead of playing stealthy or we'll punish you for it"
You need to be stealthy inside the killers terror radius. Being stealthy on the other side of the map doesnt give you points
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@CrimsonMauler said:
Most killers have the habit of bringing out their most toxic builds right after rank reset.Maybe thats due to the fact that you never know who yuo verse
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@pallet_eater said:
@Master said:
@El_Sneako said:
Imagine a perk when every time you hook someone all gens that aren't being actively fixed start regressing, and all gens being fixed lose 6/8/10 percent of possible progress.My intent with the perk is to encourage killers to chase and hook as much as possible and dissuade camping. Additionally, there is counter play, you just have to stop fixing every time you see the killer pick someone up, so the gen will only regress, and you can start fixing again.
But, there is also synergy with knock out, so survivors can't see when you pick people up, so that specific mind game is more in the killers favor.
What do yall think?
To be honest, how is taht suppost to work?
Thats a perk that can COMPLETELY be nullified by survivors as you explained. Regression is really weak as the devs explained last Q&A and is not viable if thats the only effect. No killer would use such a perk.Knock out is a useles perk too. I tried in the last days to get a slugging build together and SWF makes that perk useless too.
Its amazing how much the game breaks due to SWF.
No, its sad
