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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
weirdkid5 said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Nickenzie said:
RotBb said: The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update. You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed. No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together @DwightsLifeMatters said:
Nickenzie said:
RotBb said: The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update. You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.
No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together
Wrong. Watch the depip squad. Best is to self-heal asap and stay on separate gens.
Genrushing is best done when all Survivors are by themselves. 3 Survivors spending 70 seconds on a gen, and doing that for all gens takes LONGER than if 3 people are doing gens separately. In 80 seconds, 3 gens can be done with this method.
WIthout self-care, you want to run to a gen, get healed, and then run to a different gen, which becomes real easy with voice comms. However, if everyone runs SC, it's much faster and safer to just SC when you have a moment, and with the SC buff coming, this already buffs SWF efficiency even more.
Where you got the information that 2 people on a gen takes 70 seconds? It takes 44 seconds, which is nearly half the time if you do it alone + the saved time of getting healed instead of SC. Also, there isn't always 5 gens left, at one point there are less gens than survivors and this tactic is definitely stronger without doubt.
(for the time https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Generators)70 seconds was an an exaggeration, but regardless of is always faster. Lemme prove this with math.
Let's say in both situations the Killer is tunneling one guy who's amazing at looping for sake of argument.
Let's say the other 3 guys are all sticking together doing alm gens together, 44 x 5 is 220 seconds.
Ok, now let's say all 3 guys do it separately. They have 3 gens done in 80 seconds so each gen is individually slower, but if they do two more gens, that makes it 160 seconds total (because even if 2 guys team up on one gen, one guy still has to do it solo and could be across the entire map).
Both of these situations are optimal because the Killer is tunneling someone at the time, but you save a whole minute by making everyone do gens solo.
Even if there are less gens than Survivors, the only time you should ever work together is on the last gen, and even then it's smarter to spread out because it makes the Killers job way harder. Certain gens benefit from being done faster though, such as the Gas Haven garage because it opens up more space for Survivors.
In summation: teamwork is essentially pointless outside of healing and saving off hooks.
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Point is, regardless of the ranking system, this game provides more than enough for Survivors to exceed with no perks at all.Master said:@weirdkid5 said:
Poweas said:@weirdkid5 said:
Solo players don't need more tools than they already have. With the myriad of perks in the game, one would think buffing the less popular perks would be better rather than buffing the perk that is already most picked.
Solo survivor doesn't need more tools? They have no chance against an ideal killer (Billy, Hag and Spirit. The rest are weak or OP).
Play solo survivor and play SWF and see the difference, sunshine.
Fam I've been playing the game since Day 1 and I've played to Rank 1 Solo without any perks or items. It isn't hard to be good at this game dawg.
Not as long as the rank system is such a joke, yeah......
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Or, they could fix the hitboxes since they have said they intended for Killers to have the same hitbox as survivors.PiiFree said:@weirdkid5 said:
This would be less of an issue if Killers actually had the same hitbox, then they could squeeze through the same gaps a survivor can.It's pretty ridiculous that Survivors can squeeze through, but even more so because it nullifies a pathway for you, which was the point of setting the trap in the first place, except it was originally meant to deny the SURVIVOR a path.
...and the logical conclusion should be: Don't place a trap in that gap because it's too wide.
It's part of the learning process when playing trapper. Knowing which spots are effective and which ones are crappy. I see a lot of trappers placing traps on the compound ramp and I just smile at them as I run past them. Or in the middle of the basement stairs. Some gaps are just too wide to block with one trap, it's not a secret.
Allowing trapper to walk past those traps won't really solve the issue, it will just reward idiots for making mistakes.
Also he is made even worse by the fact Hag does not have this problem in chases and her traps are pretty much always a free hit. -
Fam I've been playing the game since Day 1 and I've played to Rank 1 Solo without any perks or items. It isn't hard to be good at this game dawg.Poweas said:@weirdkid5 said:
Solo players don't need more tools than they already have. With the myriad of perks in the game, one would think buffing the less popular perks would be better rather than buffing the perk that is already most picked.Solo survivor doesn't need more tools? They have no chance against an ideal killer (Billy, Hag and Spirit. The rest are weak or OP).
Play solo survivor and play SWF and see the difference, sunshine.
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"Now people will gen rush harder"
Except it will always be faster if everyone does gens solo, and not together. People seem to forget dividing up the work always makes it faster.
Prove Thyself buff is pointless when it is still optimal to pop 3 gens in 80 seconds by having 3 people on 3 gens. -
This would be less of an issue if Killers actually had the same hitbox, then they could squeeze through the same gaps a survivor can.PiiFree said:@weirdkid5 said:
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@IronWolf115 said:
Yeah and I just don't see the point of a killer that is not even top tier being the ONLY killer to be hit by his own power.What are you talking about? Chainsaw Killers also suffer from penalties when not using their ability properly, when they run in obtacles. Stepping in your own trap is probably the most embarassing thing that can happen to a Killer, git gud or live with the consequences.
If you step in your own bear trap you WILL get trapped, that's how logic works.
This is a video game that takes place in an alternate reality, logic doesn't apply so how about you stop that.
The suggestion remains ridiculous, regardless of the logical aspects of it, which I admit was a mistake to use considering there's hundreds of things that can be used to justify illogical things.
A trapper that steps into his own traps is an idiot, that's the simple truth and if you make the game idiot proof by removing any sort of punishment for being an idiot, we just remove more and more aspects that require some sort of skill to do properly.
Again, I'm all for buffing trapper but not in a way that just rewards idiots. If you make a mistake, deal with the consequences.
It's pretty ridiculous that Survivors can squeeze through, but even more so because it nullifies a pathway for you, which was the point of setting the trap in the first place, except it was originally meant to deny the SURVIVOR a path. -
Because this would require either a completely separate game on console, or would cause way too many problems because of it being a test build. This is the case with every game that does test builds mate.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Nickenzie said:
RotBb said:The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.
You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.
No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Nickenzie said:
RotBb said:The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.
You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.
No mate, really optimal swf teams who want to rush the ######### out of you stay injured and meet at a gen (with voice com) to heal each other up quick and start rushing the gen together
Wrong. Watch the depip squad. Best is to self-heal asap and stay on separate gens.
Genrushing is best done when all Survivors are by themselves. 3 Survivors spending 70 seconds on a gen, and doing that for all gens takes LONGER than if 3 people are doing gens separately. In 80 seconds, 3 gens can be done with this method.
WIthout self-care, you want to run to a gen, get healed, and then run to a different gen, which becomes real easy with voice comms. However, if everyone runs SC, it's much faster and safer to just SC when you have a moment, and with the SC buff coming, this already buffs SWF efficiency even more.
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@Ihatelife said:
Gorgonia said:I would change it to:
if you suceed in the skill check, you stun the killer for 4 seconds and every other survivor gains Exposed status and the obsession gains deep wound.Hell no. Solo survivors are already f***ed. Let's don't make it worse.
Tell me how I managed to get to Rank 1 solo with no perks then?
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There should be a concede button after the gates are opened in the case of the Survivors that hold the game hostage after the match is essentially over.
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@PiiFree said:
@IronWolf115 said:
Yeah and I just don't see the point of a killer that is not even top tier being the ONLY killer to be hit by his own power.What are you talking about? Chainsaw Killers also suffer from penalties when not using their ability properly, when they run in obtacles. Stepping in your own trap is probably the most embarassing thing that can happen to a Killer, git gud or live with the consequences.
If you step in your own bear trap you WILL get trapped, that's how logic works.
This is a video game that takes place in an alternate reality, logic doesn't apply so how about you stop that.
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Not OP, just actually a viable perk now.
Killers can have good perks too.
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@RWoodrow said:
The de-buff idea was tried and was abused by survivors.Because Survivors are unable to play this game without abusing every single mechanic to the max.
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@Gorgonia said:
weirdkid5 said:@Gorgonia said:
weirdkid5 said:
@Gorgonia said: Nickenzie said:
RotBb said: The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update. You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.
That can change with dedicated servers though. How exactly will dedicated servers change that at all?
They could apply it now, but having their own servers would prove more efficient. If you log to a lobby thru the SWF menu then perks can have different buffs/nerfs.
We all know this isn't going to happen.
But it definitely could. I mean, if people complain about SC being buffed not only for solos but for SWF, this could be an option. Actually, it’s the only option if you want to filter.
I've been barking up the nerf SWF tree for over a year now.
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@Gorgonia said:
weirdkid5 said:@Gorgonia said:
Nickenzie said:
RotBb said: The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update. You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.
That can change with dedicated servers though.
How exactly will dedicated servers change that at all?
They could apply it now, but having their own servers would prove more efficient. If you log to a lobby thru the SWF menu then perks can have different buffs/nerfs.
We all know this isn't going to happen.
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"Solo's need this bad"
Despite the fact I played up to Rank 1 with no perks whatsoever solo. Survivors don't need their hand held anymore.
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Solo players don't need more tools than they already have. With the myriad of perks in the game, one would think buffing the less popular perks would be better rather than buffing the perk that is already most picked.
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@Gorgonia said:
Nickenzie said:
RotBb said:The title is a bit misleading, but not too much. The upcoming self care buff is a buff to single survivors, as they don’t need to waste as much time healing. It kind of misleads swf to be nerfed, but indirectly. I’m sure more will be solo survivors in the next update.
You're also buffing SWF as equally because they won't be wasting as much time healing themselves. So, really nothing happened since you increased their strength equally meaning the gap never changed.
That can change with dedicated servers though.
How exactly will dedicated servers change that at all?
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@powerbats said:
@weirdkid5 said:
For one thing, it's a single player game so I'm not sure what kind of argument that is supposed to be. Every single game that exists on PC has a way to open a console command, even in DOOM 2016. No one who actually plays the game seriously will use that stuff. If someone wants to cheat in a single player game, that literally hurts no one. Mod support should always be a thing for single player games, like Fallout and GTA, where the devs directly support modding.
I merely pointed out you were using analogies as well.
Also DbD you used to have to buy DLC, but they changed it because it is more lucrative to sell cosmetics that can only be bought with money, which plenty exist.
Yet you can buy stuff with shards so that doesn't invalidate my point but reinforces it.
Not every cosmetic can bought with shards, some are exclusively paid for.
Except I can link you to a video of Mathieu Cote stating why this game was originally balanced around solo players. Here it is
https://youtu.be/YH5jhyU6GjUExcept that's not the point, the devs always intended for swf to be a part of the game but they had to choose what made launch, KYF or SWF and they chose the former. That'd be the last devstream by the way.
This directly contradicts what Mathieu said here, which is closer to when the game actually released. Stating the game was always supposed to have SWF is damage control over the fact they didn't forsee the issues of it.
Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.
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The only one that's bad here is you, it's always excuses and the devs have stated quite clearly it's not an exploit. If you can't get someone that means the problem is you and since you're a survivor looping shouldn't bother you.
Except it is an exploit because the devs have stated the Killer's hitbox is supposed to be the same size in the past.
Incorrect. Killers in fact have a bigger hitbox and this makes looping way more effective than it should be. The devs have stated before this is unintentional. Good work proving you dont know your stuff.
Oh boo hoo the killers have a bigger hitbox well did it ever occur to you that you can angle your turns to chase better. Why is it Marth and other top tier killers manage to take corners pretty well but you as a survivor main can't seem to do it as a killer.
That's the point of having the bigger hitbox, you have to take a bigger angle, which negates the speed bonus Killers are supposed to have. This is why it is an exploit. Look, you are getting it.
Yet again you prove you're the only one here that doesn't know their stuff and after 2 years if you can't cut chases short that means the problem is you. I mean i learned how to chase better after just a few months but magically you after all this time can only make excuses.
Also the devs have nerfed and or removed some of the looping spots but darn those pesky facts.
Doesn't mean the problem still doesn't exist. It can be rectified by fixing Killer hitboxes, but they refused to do this.
I dont hide it because I literally stream all my matches homie lmao
So you stream all your matches well where's a link proving you play solo, where's the proof of you going perkless for a challenge, no items/addons. Where's the video of you playing killer so horribly so you can't make excuses when it's obvious you're the issue?
twirch.tv/weirdkid5
My Rank 1 Killer run is still up, and my solo perkless Survivor run has been deleted because I did that back in early 2017. Looks like I'll be doing it again, just for you buddy. I wouldn't wanna disappoint. In fact, I'm already Ranking up by the time you read this. Feel free to pop in and see my progress. I've done it once, I can easily do it again. I'd hate for you to tell me I'm using an "excuse" so I'll just do it again lol wonder if I can do it before the reset happens. The grind boutta be real.
Face a group like the Depip squad, who even the best Killers in the game were unable to defeat. Nearly 100 wins in a row, with many Killers being top level Killers. So you're better than ScottJund?
Best killers that's laughable and you know it, they even admitted they were facing baby killers quite often who were doing dailies. So don't lie and say top tier killers nonsense because we both know that's a flat out lie. Oh and nice fallacy there.
Lmao don't speak for them dawg, I'm direct friends with the Depip squad. You know not what you speak of.
That was during a free period lmao
You ignore when it wasn't though.
This game has never achieved that level of play outside of free weekends.
It peaked in Septmeber, during the end of the month when the game was free until the 25th of September. That's the only reason the pop hit 60k
Yet again you troll, it was above 10 all the way up to 30k at points during non FTP but hey lets not let actual facts get in the way of your trolling again.
Yeah, that's because of events. There are 30k during events, and 10k outside of events. Just watch the population after Winter Solstice ends.
The bottom line your 10k claim is false.
Hmmm no it isn't. Outside of events, especially in mid 2017, the population fluctuated in the low 10ks.
It was during a free trial period.
Again stop trolling and ignoring the days it wasn't FTP where it went over 10k.
Yeah, during events.
Because 30k people play during events. Otherwise 10k people are playing. The other 20k likely only play during events.
That's not what I asked for and you know it, you made up data and extrapolated it to fit your biased narrative. Where's your hard and fast actual data saying people are leaving? You claimed people left the game not that they were playing other games possibly.
It's called correlating what is on steamcharts to when events are released lmao
If people were actually leaving the game they wouldn't be coming back and playing at anytime not even during an event.
Wrong. I always come back during events, but play minimally any other time.
During a free trial period.
Again with the trolling, the stats clearly show there were people playing during non event times over 10k.
Nope.
BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.
Hmmn over 4 million paid copies of the game and somehow magically none of those paid copies played the game. If peak pc was 60k and consoles were both equal that's only 180k yet we had over 1.5 million playing during the event.
Lifetime sales don't matter consider the population still doesnt rise much above 10k outside of events
If we use your failed logic we'd have to assume that none of those over 4 million paid copies of the game logged in during the event.
Except they dont. Because this game has never had more than 60k people at any given time on steam.
It was a free trial period dawg. Which was one of my arguments as well. You seemed to leave that out and focused on the event aspect of my argument. Good work.
So you said free trial, doesn't change the fact that people were also playing who OWNED THE GAME or did the fact over 4 million copies of the game have been sold escape you? Now since over 4 million copies of the game have been sold an event will of course have more paid players playing then free.
So where are the 4 million people playing the game?
But hey don't let those facts get in the way of your trolling again just remember 4 MILLION PAID COPIES shoots your ftp claims full of holes.
Except the 60k was still during a free event tho.
No one enjoyed it if you actually paid attention to the forums during Pestualla.
I did and there were a lot of people that liked the event, their problem was the queues due to people playing one side exclusively. You know the queue issues that pop up from time to time that makes people hate the events?
No, the problem was people would get their vial, and then just suicide because it was much faster than playing the full match. This is the problem with the event. Just cause you and your friends enjoyed doesnt mean the community did.
But if no one liked it why were there posts saying positive things about it, I mean if no one liked it then obviously all the positive thread were complete illusions.
There can be positive things in the event but the gameplay was wretched.
Yeah those pesky queue times that were why people hated the event so much not because the event was bad. But again you can't acknowledge the actual facts since that gets in the way of your biased and false narrative.
"Actual facts" so you just ignored the Steam forums during pestulla I guess.
Yknow it's funny you mentioned ad hominem earlier when you started calling me a troll long before I called you a corporate shill lmao
Well that's funny your very 1st response to me contained this gem, now who started insulting whom 1st again?
Except that was the second reply I made to you, the first one had no "ad hominems" but you actually began to question my "skill as a player" which is an actual ad hominem argument. You are attacking me, rather than the argument I am presenting and dismissing it because of my "lack of skill." This is literally what an ad hominem is. Calling you a shill is calling you for what you are, that has no bearing on your actual argument.
But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.
I can guarantee you, by the devs own stats, 70% of games have SWF groups in them and nearly every survivor loops.
I can make up stats about looping too like I can say nearly every killer camps.
Except the 70% stat isn't made up, it was in a devstream in the past.
You can't improve against mechanics that literally are stacked against you and continue to favor only Hillbilly and Nurse.
Yet plenty of people play killers other than those and do fine but you somehow magically after 2 years can't adapt.
Tell that to ScottJund vs Depip squad.
Oh look, a screenshot with no video context to go along with it. I can pull out many screenshots of me killing at Rank 1 as well as various games at Rank 1 if you'd like. You aren't impressive.
Oh look more deflections and Ad Hominems.
That isn't an ad hominem because a screenshot has no context behind it. It's meaningless. I have plenty of Rank 1 Screenshots on my steam as well, which is the same name as here.
Lmao considering the game has no viable way for rhe Killer to counter voice chat, I'd like to see how you adapt to SWF outside of killing as quickly as possible and tunneling.
It's called planning ahead, using your brain, adapting your tactics to the moment, playing smart, minimizing your mistakes and causing them to make some. It's called actually playing well and not coming to the forums making up excuses while stating you're a survivor main yet making killer based excuses.
"Planning ahead" and "minimizing mistakes" mean nothing against Survivors who play flawlessly. I guess Trapper would be on top of the game if he just "planned ahead" but even I have a Rank 1 Trapper friend that acknowledges Trapper is absolute doo doo.
Just because most of the Survivor population is hot garbage and don't fully utilize their entire kit to their disposal doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist. Keep in mind the depip squad had 100 wins in a row as Survivors with NO PERKS and NO VOICE CHAT even against top levels like ScottJund brodie.
Yes again with the fallacy, as stated above that was a biased experiment that was against killer doing dailies including as Marth even said BABY KILLERS.
Please.state where he said this, because I belong to a Discord with Marth88 and the members of the Squad in it.
Another no context screenshot that's useless. I asked for videos of your gameplay, not screenshots that show only highlights against likely garbage survivors.
So more excuses and deflections, nothing new there.
Not a deflection because screenshots don't mean anything for proving skill.
Stop using words you don't know how to properly use.
I know enough about using them to irritate you because you can't refute them otherwise you'd not use that troll response.
Except you don't.
You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL
Well that was just sad, lets see oh yeah OVER 4 MILLION PAID COPIES OF THe GAME HAVE BEEN SOLD. See I even bolded it for you so you couldn't miss it. That means that most people playing during events or FTP are more than likely PAID USERS.
Yeah not even 100k play during event times. Kinda strange, where'd the other 3,900,000 players go?
Oh and PSN users got it for free if they PAID FOR AN UPGRADED MEMBERSHIP.
So that takes away from your 4 million sold statistic, since a free copy sold still counts as a sold copy.
Too bad DbD was in fact free at the end or Septemeber, which is when the peak of 60k happened. Try doing a little research https://www.gamesear.com/news/the-multiplayer-horror-game-dead-by-daylight-is-free-to-try-out-on-steam-until-september-25th
Too bad it had over 10k during a non event but nice try ignoring that oh and see above about the OVER 4 MILLION PAID COPIES.
Such as when? This game still has never had over 60k outside of a free event, despite supposedly having sold millions of copies.
Sounds to me like I need to come out of retirement, because I already the top levels a long time ago.
It sounds to me you need to stop making excuses.
It isn't an excuse when I literally said Im coming out of retirement lmao DbD streaming will resume the 3rd, aka today.
Except I hit Rank 1 long before it become a cakewalk to do so.
Ok post a screenshot of it and don't use the save data excuse since everyone knows you always backup client side.
Ok, here is a YouTube video of me hitting Rank 1 Survivor back in 2016, by the way, screenshots still don't mean jack for showing skill. Footage of me hitting Rank 1 Killer is on my twitch.
I literally already explained stopping the chase doesn't help but you ignored my argument. Stopping the chase just allows the guy to self heal, and that still leaves 2 other survivors on gens when you find the other guy, and the guy you stopped chasing before is now healed and on his own gen.
No I ignored your trolling since you're saying you're a survivor main and yet making killer excuses at the same time. You can stop the chase and move off then go back and smack the person healing. also a person healing isn't on gens which is what you as a killer wants.
Because I'm a survivor who understands how broken the game is. I know you lack empathy, but it's ok. I know it boggles the mind to think there is a Survivor that understands survivors are overpowered. And going back to smack the healing guy? Sounds like something you need to be Nurse or Billy to effectively and reliably pull off, who commit a slot to Nurses Calling.
Stopping the chase is exactly what loopers what you to do because the moment you do it, the Killer loses the game.
Yet more excuses 1st it's not stopping the chase loses you the game, now it's stopping the chase loses you the game. Why not make up your mind which is it then since I've got no problems breaking off chases when I need to and not losing the game on average.
Post a video and prove your skill.
I hit Rank 1 Survivor perkless a long time ago without using any items fam. It really isn't that hard. Would you like me to do it again? I'll stream every single match like I did before.
Go right ahead and prove you're doing it and link it here.
See above.
Except again, I already played to Rank 1 Killer perkless wearing bright Meg clothes. If I didn't lose my save, I would have worn my Legacy Prestige while doing it as well just to mock you further. But alas, the devs thought it was a good idea to make the save data for a multiplayer game save client side rather than server side, up until about 8 months ago or so.
Oh I had legacy P3 with all achievement unlocked before I even bought the game but if my save hadn't gotten corrupted i'd mock you with it. I can make things up as well and anyone that knows how important save data is when it's client side BACKS IT UP.
Except the game didn't use to save server side, and it wasn't widely known that the data saved client side until this issues popped up, around when Hag came out. It was already too late before I learned, so it's my fault the devs are shortsighted? Makes sense. Here's that screenshot by the way, you can see Legacy Meg's head here, you can also check my achievements to see I earned Prestige 3 back before the cut off date. Stop yourself buddy. And before you use my screenshot argument against me, I'm not proving my skill here. Just that I owned Legacy 3 Meg, (you can also see I was Rank 2 at this time, but a disconnect happened by the Killer)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=813730032
Here is the screenshot of when I lost my data. It is impossible to have a Level 0 character outside of a bug.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=814772444
Except it is factual because I can do simple math. It takes 2 and a half to 3 minutes to get the game finished as survivors, and based on Killer's movement speeds and looping, no Killer except Nurse and Billy can win without the survivors simply making massive mistakes that any decent player wouldn't make.
Again making up facts then using them to bolster your argument shows you have none since if you're having to use only the best case scenario for your argument it just proves you have one. Then yet again if your best case scenario doesn't work you use more excuses to justify why it doesn't work.
It isn't a best case scenario, it's how the game works. Back them up with facts? Watch the depip squad get all 3 gens done in a single minute then. Also your baby Killer excuse is just that, an excuse. Everytime you see something that proves against you, you just deflect that thing with lack of skill arguments.
Except in Smash Ultimate every character that was released before is in the game. No Smash game besides Smash 4 had DLC characters, and all DLC characters for Ultimate will be brand new. Good work not knowing what you're talking about, again.
You still have to buy a new game, DBD you buy a game and can get all DLC FREE except for the licensed stuff. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of your trolling again. Oh and it's only available on Nintendo not Xbox, not Playstation and not PC.
And yet still Smash outsells more than a measley 4 million copies on one console alone. So what if you have to buy a new game? That's what a sequel is bro. And there are also still cosmetics you have to buy, and cosmetic packs you cannot earn in game.
But would you imagine that DBD is available on all 3 of those platforms so your comparison to a single console exclusive release just went up in flames.
Except you're wrong, because Smash Ultimate sold 3 million copies in 11 days ON AMAZON ALONE, while DbD "sold" (including people who got it free through Plus) 4.5 in 2 years. This doesnt even include Gamestop sales and sales made on the Switch itself, which definitely will take it to over 4.5 million. And it has now been longer than 11 days, so I can 100% guarantee Smash has already outsold DbD ON A SINGLE CONSOLE. And this is because they take community feedback seriously and evolve the game with each iteration.
https://gamerant.com/super-smash-bros-ultimate-amazon-best-selling-game-2018/
@brokedownpalace said:
@weirdkid5 are you still pretending to be a survivor main or have you dropped the act?Sounds to me like I gotta come out of retirement. Not sure how the 600 of the 800 hours I've played as Survivor somehow doesn't make me a Survivor main.
For someone that claims to be a survivor main you're making up an awful lot of killer main excuses.
Just means I know the game is flawed even as a Survivor. Welcome to your fabled "ad hominem" argument. Since I'm saying the game is busted, I MUST be a Killer main, there is NO WAY a survivor would ever say these things, right?
Hypocrite.
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@powerbats said:
@weirdkid5 said:
I'll point you to CD Projekt Red then, since you are clearly a corporate shill that thinks monetization is always the most important factor. News flash, it isn't.
Ah yes more of the usual deflection and Ad Hominems and talk about monetization they released a GOTy edition that forced you to waste money because you could copy saves over. They also have console commands allowing cheats to be used.
You can also buy the new dlcs for real money unlike here where you can also buy things with shards in game. Lets not also forget they allow mods which break the game, cheating in gold, items etc.
For one thing, it's a single player game so I'm not sure what kind of argument that is supposed to be. Every single game that exists on PC has a way to open a console command, even in DOOM 2016. No one who actually plays the game seriously will use that stuff. If someone wants to cheat in a single player game, that literally hurts no one. Mod support should always be a thing for single player games, like Fallout and GTA, where the devs directly support modding.
Also DbD you used to have to buy DLC, but they changed it because it is more lucrative to sell cosmetics that can only be bought with money, which plenty exist.
That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.
Oh here we go again with the exploits and trolling excuse, you can't back up your arguments so you resort to the tried and failed deflections again. You just can't seem to accept that if people are better than you it's not because they're trolling or exploiting.
Except I can link you to a video of Mathieu Cote stating why this game was originally balanced around solo players. Here it is
https://youtu.be/YH5jhyU6GjUYes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.
Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.
Yep and here it is, the excuses and blame game continues and shows us what the real problem is, your lack of skill. The only ones that think looping is an exploit are bad killers and I rarely use looping because I'm not very good at it.
Incorrect. Killers in fact have a bigger hitbox and this makes looping way more effective than it should be. The devs have stated before this is unintentional. Good work proving you dont know your stuff.
The only trolling going on here is you and the excuse making to hide the fact you either have to improve your skills and stop making excuses. That or you just need to accept the fact you've reached your skill ceiling and can't improve anymore.
I dont hide it because I literally stream all my matches homie lmao
Why is it that so many killers have no issue with loopers and get hits on said bad hitboxes but you magically can't and make excuses? The common denominator in all this is you since if others can do it that means it's not an exploit.
Face a group like the Depip squad, who even the best Killers in the game were unable to defeat. Nearly 100 wins in a row, with many Killers being top level Killers. So you're better than ScottJund?
I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.
But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.
Most of the CURRENT playerbase is SWF. This game does not peak higher than 10k during off event times.
https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Hmmn during n on event times they had over 60k at one point.
That was during a free period lmao
The stats from Steam just for pc put the lie to that statement since months back non event it was over 60k population and yes that's just PC user.
It peaked in Septmeber, during the end of the month when the game was free until the 25th of September. That's the only reason the pop hit 60k
Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.
They quit because the game got way easier for survivors, even after infinite removal. See DS for your main culprit. If these things were fixed, the 20k players that you see pop up during events would come back. These are the old players coming back just to get new cosmetics or bloodpoint grinds.
No they quit because there were other games out there and just like as usual; when something else comes out people stop playing the game and check out the new one. Those 20k players are still here and as Steam showed 60k during non event time.
It was during a free trial period.
Also where'd you get your 20k players leaving data from, come on post some links to it or is this another made up claim by you.
Because 30k people play during events. Otherwise 10k people are playing. The other 20k likely only play during events.
You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.
During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.
During a free trial period.
BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.
https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.
It was a free trial period dawg. Which was one of my arguments as well. You seemed to leave that out and focused on the event aspect of my argument. Good work.
For being universally hated there sure seems to be a lot of people that enjoyed it due to the seeing the possibilities for a 2ndary objective. Also it didn't have issues until the 2nd week when people were needing their vials for other side and everyone played that side.
No one enjoyed it if you actually paid attention to the forums during Pestualla.
And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.
Your opinion doesn't make it fact, no matter how many times you claim it, twist facts, troll there's nothing that makes it busted because you claim it is.
Yknow it's funny you mentioned ad hominem earlier when you started calling me a troll long before I called you a corporate shill lmao
So you've been around since infinities yet you still can't do anything but make excuses up and blame everything on something that doesn't happen at the frequency you seem to encounter Perhaps the problem isn't the swf and gen rushing but you're refusal to improve and instead make up excuses and point fingers.
I can guarantee you, by the devs own stats, 70% of games have SWF groups in them and nearly every survivor loops.
Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.
You can't improve against mechanics that literally are stacked against you and continue to favor only Hillbilly and Nurse.
"If you're a skilled Killer gen rushing isn't a big deal"
HAHAHA it only takes 160 seconds for all 5 gens to be done. One survivor to loop the Killer, 3 survivors on gens at all times. If he breaks a chase, that's a free heal. He goes after someone else, they loop him, that's still 2 people on gens and the guy he was chasing before is now on a gen the other dude was on. 80 seconds pass 3 gens popped. Only 2 Killers can reasonably deal with this, Hillbilly and Nurse both for their ability to get cross map extremely fast and down extremely quickly. All other Killers may as well be in the trash bucket if you play somewhat seriously at all. Gen rush is [BAD WORD].
If you're getting 3 minuted so often that means the problem is you plain and simple and you just flat out proved you're the problem here not the game.
That's just 2 examples and plenty of other have shown other killers 4king at rank one consistently including several people that took perkless Freddy to rank 1. Since so many people seem to be able to handle swf at rank 1 just fine that points to an obvious culprit.
Oh look, a screenshot with no video context to go along with it. I can pull out many screenshots of me killing at Rank 1 as well as various games at Rank 1 if you'd like. You aren't impressive.
**The common denominator in everyone of your matches where you make up excuses is you.
**The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.
Lmao considering the game has no viable way for rhe Killer to counter voice chat, I'd like to see how you adapt to SWF outside of killing as quickly as possible and tunneling.
Mate tell that to the multiple top level Killers that were bodied by the SWF squad. Lemme see you pull up a stream and decimate Rank 1 SWF teams most of your matches. I challenge you, seriously, cause I can do the same for you and I promise I'm a far superior Killer to you.
You'd think you would give up with the deflections and blame game because Monto I believe posted a stream where he had over 100 matches or so of 4k straight. That includes swf teams and since you're better than me then why are you on here making up so many excuses?
Just because most of the Survivor population is hot garbage and don't fully utilize their entire kit to their disposal doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist. Keep in mind the depip squad had 100 wins in a row as Survivors with NO PERKS and NO VOICE CHAT even against top levels like ScottJund brodie.
I mean for someone so superior to me as a killer you sure do make a lot of excuses for not doing well against swf whether it be 2 solo 2 swf etc. I mean since I'm such an inferior killer there should obviously be hundreds of threads from me out complaining and out excusing you.
I'll wait while you try and find something that has me even coming close to you by 1% of complaint posts or threads which we both know you won't find.
Oh and this was a 4 man swf swat team that at rank 1 that got me the prior game with sabo on cornfield map although I'd managed to hook everyone 2x though. I got them several maps in a row and got more sac'd each time and this time I 4k'd them all with mori.
The difference between the 2 of us is I didn't come to the forums and make up excuses, I changed my playstyle, I adapted to what was going on and IMPROVED.
Another no context screenshot that's useless. I asked for videos of your gameplay, not screenshots that show only highlights against likely garbage survivors.
But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.
Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.
Stop using words you don't know how to properly use.
You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL
You make up the lamest excuses to deflect from your fallacies and oh just for good measure here's that Steam data link that yet again show 60k during a non event non ftp time frame.
https://steamcharts.com/app/381210 Yet again the FACTS prove you wrong, 60k during a non event.
Too bad DbD was in fact free at the end or Septemeber, which is when the peak of 60k happened. Try doing a little research https://www.gamesear.com/news/the-multiplayer-horror-game-dead-by-daylight-is-free-to-try-out-on-steam-until-september-25th
Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.
Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.
Tell that to the 12 billion dollars that Blizzard tanked after the reveal of Diavlo Immortal. Tell that to Blizzard literally paying their employees to quit because their finance department head is a person from Activision, and now their main priority is money. This is from the mouth of an ex Blizzard dev. I can link you to the interview if you want bud.
Oh no a game tanked the sky is falling, it's almost as if a game has enver flopped in gaming history ever before. It's almost as if this doesn't happen with a game failing badly at least 4x a year or a game gets shelved before release.
So an ex employee posts something negative and you take it as gospel and you wonder why you can't be taken seriously. You do realize that disgruntled employees will always say something negative since that's what they do.
Except it's no secret Blizzard is getting rid of their employees. Basic research will show you this.
Oh and you did know that Blizzard is owned by Activision so their finance head has a say in how blizzard spends it's money or did you not know that?
It wasn't like that until recently. Blizzard had control over it's own finances for the most part. They recently had a change. Again, do your research dawg.
Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$
Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.
Stop using terms you don't know how to use. Smash is 8 players. Button mashing? Pffft bro do I need to link you to a Video of Luigi 0-death combos that require frame perfect inputs, or explain to you the large mechanics of DI, wavelanding, Rage, and not to mention various comboing techniques that go way beyond mashing. It's quite clear you've never actually played anything competitive in your entire life if you relegate Smash to mere button mashing. Let's see you win 15k with Pichu by button mashing, good luck by the way. DbD wishes it could have a tourney worth 15k that didn't have questionable refereeing and decisions that [BAD WORD] certain players.
Hmm button mashing you still have to mash buttons together to perform said combos right? Well since we both know the answer to that is yes then you've got no clue what you're talking about. You also do realize Smash has been out since 1999 almost 20 years now so of course it has bigger and better tournaments.
You can't do combos by mashing buttons homie. You have to time everything, especially the Luigi 0-death, which requires inputs that go down to the 1/10th of a second or less, something that if you "mash" will never work. Again, you've clearly never played a fighting game if you think combos are just "button mashing."
They've had quite a bit longer to get their competitive scene up and organized so of course a game that's been out almost 20 years and has had competitive tournaments going for almost 20 years will have better referring. But hey lets ignore common sense and logic and use a an almost 20 year old established game as an example.
Except Smash wasn't considered Serious for the devs in terms of competitiveness until the 4th game. It's not very hard to make something competitive for DbD. Look, I came up with this in 5 minutes: 2 teams of 5, both teams have a Survivor and a Killer. When they get the match, 2 games start simultaneously with your Killer against the enemy survivors and their Killer against you. The team with the overall better emblem quality is the winner.
Making a competitive scene has nothing to do with how long you have being doing it, and everything to do with the basic understandings of fair play and in depth mechanics.
Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.
Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.
Then again, just get rid of all feedback threads since it isn't our decision. Player feedback is useless as long as we make money.
it's not your decision is the most tone deaf argument I've ever heard. May as well get rid of the forums and never listen to feedback again then lmao also Im not even a Killer main, I'm a survivor main. I despise SWF because it makes my games that are already easier far more easy when I'm playing with 3 man babies that loop and make the Killers day ruined, stripping me of any interaction with the killer because the gens are finished before he even finds me.
The only tone deaf arguments here are yours, your opinion isn't the one that counts most it's the devs in the end. While everyone's opinion is valuable the opinions of some can be discarded by the evidence of their refusal to improve.
Sounds to me like I need to come out of retirement, because I already the top levels a long time ago.
As an example when a level 20 survivor comes here and complains killers are too op killer mains tell them to git gud. When they complain more they get told their opinion isn't valid since they're not good enough.
Except I hit Rank 1 long before it become a cakewalk to do so.
So you're complaining that your games are ruined because the killer gets looped and this somehow magically happens to you all the time. It's not because the killer isn't good enough to adapt or that the killer doesn't know when to stop chasing the looper.
I literally already explained stopping the chase doesn't help but you ignored my argument. Stopping the chase just allows the guy to self heal, and that still leaves 2 other survivors on gens when you find the other guy, and the guy you stopped chasing before is now healed and on his own gen.
Stopping the chase is exactly what loopers what you to do because the moment you do it, the Killer loses the game.
Nowe since your games are so easy you obviously go full perkless, never cleanse totems, never open chests and enver ever bring a single item into the game right? I mean you obviously want a challenge so if you bring a perk you bring No Mither only and wear the brightest clothes possible.
I hit Rank 1 Survivor perkless a long time ago without using any items fam. It really isn't that hard. Would you like me to do it again? I'll stream every single match like I did before.
Since you want a challenge you'd never play any P3 character or a smaller female character model but instead would play someone large like Bill in his brightest outfit. You'd also always put in map offerings that favored killers the most right since you want a challenge.
Except again, I already played to Rank 1 Killer perkless wearing bright Meg clothes. If I didn't lose my save, I would have worn my Legacy Prestige while doing it as well just to mock you further. But alas, the devs thought it was a good idea to make the save data for a multiplayer game save client side rather than server side, up until about 8 months ago or so.
Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.
Bruu that's what forums are for, again, just delete the forums and get rid of feedback areas. Get rid of the devstreams and fire the mods and Community members because clearly what people she doesn't matter. Your so up your own ego it hurts man.
Having an opinion is fine but claiming yours is correct and factual is the issue since that's what you've done so far and in this very post here. Ah yes more of the troll Ad Hominem attacks which already proves you've lost.
Except it is factual because I can do simple math. It takes 2 and a half to 3 minutes to get the game finished as survivors, and based on Killer's movement speeds and looping, no Killer except Nurse and Billy can win without the survivors simply making massive mistakes that any decent player wouldn't make.
Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.
Once again a tired argument. If you think Smash is the same game every time, that again shows how little knowledge you have of balancing and the inner workings of any serious mechanics in any game.
Yet Smash is the same thing every time at it's core, you use combos, you smash people off the fighting stage, you have a stable of characters. Oh sure you get new characters and new maps and new moves but the thing is it's still the same just with a new coat of paint.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about if you think Smash is the same game every time simply because you do combos to launch people off a stage. Sounds to me like you don't know inner mechanics.
That just proves you don't know what you're talking about here especially when it comes to the inner workings of a game. At least with DBD I don't have to rebuy the same characters every time I want to play it even with dlc.
Except in Smash Ultimate every character that was released before is in the game. No Smash game besides Smash 4 had DLC characters, and all DLC characters for Ultimate will be brand new. Good work not knowing what you're talking about, again.
@brokedownpalace said:
@weirdkid5 are you still pretending to be a survivor main or have you dropped the act?Sounds to me like I gotta come out of retirement. Not sure how the 600 of the 800 hours I've played as Survivor somehow doesn't make me a Survivor main.
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@Master said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@Master said:
@SenzuDuck said:
The_Crusader said:
weirdkid5 said:This idea that "because he eventually killed you" and "he didn't prolong the match" is exactly why we have little shits like that still running around in the game.
In any other game something like this would immediately be labeled as greifing, no matter how long the time (unless you're playing Rust, in which case you better be prepared to be someone's little prisoner)
In any other game, one team standing in the way to block the other from doing their objective would have been fixed a long, long time ago.
Bodyblocking shouldn't be in the game for anyone. But survivors wanted it as a tactic, so it's only fair that killers get to use it as a tactic too.
The bias is strong. I don’t get how people don’t see the difference between survivor body blocks and killer body blocks.
SURVIVORS TAKE DAMAGE
KILLERS DO NOT
you risk something to block as a survivor you risk nothing as a killer.
this guy waited 8 minutes, after 2/3 most players would assume a hostage game and DC.
A killer bodyblocking a guy in basement risks losing all map pressure and geting genrushed
@Attackfrog said:
@weirdkid5 said:
This idea that "because he eventually killed you" and "he didn't prolong the match" is exactly why we have little shits like that still running around in the game.In any other game something like this would immediately be labeled as greifing, no matter how long the time (unless you're playing Rust, in which case you better be prepared to be someone's little prisoner)
The killer could have gotten more kills by hooking the guy, camping the hook and using his noed on another survivor and then camping that hook. Easy 2k, instead of the 1k he got.
While he bodyblocked the basement, the survivors had free reign of of the map. It's in the same vein as camping a hook, only WAAAAY less efficient. Camping a hook at least makes sense because you are getting your kill while taking a survivor out of the match...plus it's only 2 mins.
Bodyblocking in this way is not a good strategy unless you are solely trying to frustrate that survivor. And if the survivor wasn't taunting the killer, then it is truly a dick move.
But we also don't know what happened pre-bodyblock! Maybe this survivor was teabagging and taunting...in which case, the in-game response makes sense.
That's quite irrelevant. You are still holding someone's game hostage for 5+ minutes. This should be bannable.
But it isnt, just like its not bannable to sit on the map somewhere after the gates have been opened.
Yes its bad design, but it is what it is.You're actually wrong about this but that's ok.
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@powerbats said:
@weirdkid5 said:
Sounds to me like prioritization of artistic and balancing integrity over what will make them the most money.
Sounds like you've got no clue how t6o run a business but why not make your own and run it like that and see what happens.
I'll point you to CD Projekt Red then, since you are clearly a corporate shill that thinks monetization is always the most important factor. News flash, it isn't.
That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.
Yes because everyone wants to troll in this game, the exact same troll excuse used for every argument bashing every game for the last 25 years.
Dude the basic gameplay is trolling. Looping, which is widely recognized as an exploit, is a standard thing people use. That's nothing but trolling or using an exploitable hitbox to your advantage because you're bad at the game.
I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.
But you did say that since most of the playerbase is swf so if you remove them from the equation you kill off your game. You want to have your solo q only well guess what there isn't a large enough player base to support that.
Most of the CURRENT playerbase is SWF. This game does not peak higher than 10k during off event times.
Yes but how many have group play compared to this let alone the population size which you just argued out of both sides of your keyboard. You can't guarantee anything but your own personal bias here since some of those said veterans got banned/stopped playing because things got fixed.
They quit because the game got way easier for survivors, even after infinite removal. See DS for your main culprit. If these things were fixed, the 20k players that you see pop up during events would come back. These are the old players coming back just to get new cosmetics or bloodpoint grinds.
You know the exploits and trolling and infinities etc that you complained about people like to abuse including these same veterans you want to bring back. Also good grief you just trolled yourself out into the open with that. This game can't hold more than 10k people did you really just type that troll nonsense since there was data showing 60k pc at normal times months ago.
During the Pestula event there was over 1.5 million yes that's million not 10k but million people playing at the exact same time. So to say the game can't handle outside of event more than 10k is laughable when non event players just on pc were over 60k.
BHVR said 1.5 million people were playing, but did the game go free during that time?.Because of it did, then there's your obvious answer as to why 1.5 million people played at ONE time. Same goes for the 60k on PC. Notice during this event there is still no where near that count. And by the way, the Pestulla event was universally hated, so people certainly didn't play it for the reasons of it being enjoyable, only to grind out 2 free cosmetics.
And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.
Oh gee so you've been around since infinites big deal, the games vastly improved since then but all I'm getting is you seem to want to blame everything on the past. If you're a skilled killer gen rushing and swf aren't that big of deal really. Which suggests the problem is you and your lack of skill which after 2 years you'd think you'd have improved.
"If you're a skilled Killer gen rushing isn't a big deal"
HAHAHA it only takes 160 seconds for all 5 gens to be done. One survivor to loop the Killer, 3 survivors on gens at all times. If he breaks a chase, that's a free heal. He goes after someone else, they loop him, that's still 2 people on gens and the guy he was chasing before is now on a gen the other dude was on. 80 seconds pass 3 gens popped. Only 2 Killers can reasonably deal with this, Hillbilly and Nurse both for their ability to get cross map extremely fast and down extremely quickly. All other Killers may as well be in the trash bucket if you play somewhat seriously at all. Gen rush is #########.
The fact you even blame troll swf parties says it all, you're just not as good as you think if I in less than 4 months or so of play time could learn to adapt and handle swf parties you should've in over 2 years.
Mate tell that to the multiple top level Killers that were bodied by the SWF squad. Lemme see you pull up a stream and decimate Rank 1 SWF teams most of your matches. I challenge you, seriously, cause I can do the same for you and I promise I'm a far superior Killer to you.
But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.
Ah yes the typical troll deflection fallacy response, when you can't refute deflect and insult oh and I mostly play solo and main killer. But hey lets not let facts and actual logic get in the way of your troll arguments here since if we did you'd have nothing to say.
You use the word fallacy while referring to free weekends as your reason why a lot of people play the game LOLOLOL
Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.
Bahahaha, people like you've been predicting Blizzards demise for over 20 years now, teh same is true for WOW, League, COD etc. If you think this is a trolls paradise then the obvious issue here is you and perhaps you should look in the mirror to see the real troll.
Tell that to the 12 billion dollars that Blizzard tanked after the reveal of Diavlo Immortal. Tell that to Blizzard literally paying their employees to quit because their finance department head is a person from Activision, and now their main priority is money. This is from the mouth of an ex Blizzard dev. I can link you to the interview if you want bud.
Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$
Oh yes here we go again with the fallacies, a single player game or 4 player on console only with limited game options yeah button mashing on a small screen. Wow talk about trolling and having absolutely no argument, you're obviously desperate now with that one.
Stop using terms you don't know how to use. Smash is 8 players. Button mashing? Pffft bro do I need to link you to a Video of Luigi 0-death combos that require frame perfect inputs, or explain to you the large mechanics of DI, wavelanding, Rage, and not to mention various comboing techniques that go way beyond mashing. It's quite clear you've never actually played anything competitive in your entire life if you relegate Smash to mere button mashing. Let's see you win 15k with Pichu by button mashing, good luck by the way. DbD wishes it could have a tourney worth 15k that didn't have questionable refereeing and decisions that ######### certain players.
Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.
Oh and next time before you try that tried and failed insult I'll say it again, I play mostly solo and if I choose to play with my friends IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.
it's not your decision is the most tone deaf argument I've ever heard. May as well get rid of the forums and never listen to feedback again then lmao also Im not even a Killer main, I'm a survivor main. I despise SWF because it makes my games that are already easier far more easy when I'm playing with 3 man babies that loop and make the Killers day ruined, stripping me of any interaction with the killer because the gens are finished before he even finds me.
Your idea of proper balance is just your opinion and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter since it's not your opinion that matters here. If you don't like where the game is going or the fact you're just not good enough.
Bruu that's what forums are for, again, just delete the forums and get rid of feedback areas. Get rid of the devstreams and fire the mods and Community members because clearly what people she doesn't matter. Your so up your own ego it hurts man.
Then uninstall the game and go play your console limited option game while the rest of us can enjoy playing the game that we don't have to rebuy every time.
Once again a tired argument. If you think Smash is the same game every time, that again shows how little knowledge you have of balancing and the inner workings of any serious mechanics in any game.
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See my petition on the Steam forums which has over 4000 comments, or here on the official forums which strangely stopped showing up on the front page about 3 days after I posted it despite replies, and still will not show up on the front page. > @powerbats said:
@RSB said:
@weirdkid5 said:
See my petition on the Steam forums which has over 4000 comments, or here on the official forums which strangely stopped showing up on the front page about 3 days after I posted it despite replies, and still will not show up on the front page.This issue has been beaten into the ground, and honestly nothing short of simply splitting the queues into solo-only players and SWF-only players is going to fix it. I have a pretty good idea that could still allow it to be used in some kind of competitive Ranked mode, but the devs, both Dave and not_Queen have made it quite clear to me that they have no intention in doing jack ######### about SWF.
They tend to hide every uncomfortable thread, don't worry, you are not alone.
Yes because 4k comments on a thread you like is a really good representation of the communities desires let alone actual good ideas.
Now speaking of good ideas do you honestly believe removing swf from the game is a good idea because if you do I've got some beachfront property on the moon to sell you.
Also if you split the queues up you still destroy the game because most of the playerbase is swf so all you complaining killers won't have a lobby.
The issue isn't that they won't do jack ######### as you say but that they won't do stupid things they know won't work. In business you don't destroy your business just to please a vocal minority that has only their own self interest in mind.
Sounds to me like prioritization of artistic and balancing integrity over what will make them the most money.
That's all it is. Players would quit this game because it is a collection of people who enjoy exploits, trolling etc. Make that stuff harder to do and this game dies, because the devs failed to keep the original vision in tact.
I never said to remove SWF, but splitting the queues is quite doable. I play on games with less population and still have no issues getting players. Also, you would have to consider the influx of hardcore and veteran players that have quit the game over its poor balancing, which I can guarantee is a high amount. Outside of events, this game cannot hold more than 10k people.
And that's for the sole reason it is busted, and the few dedicated fans that simply love the game to death no matter the state of the game. I've been around since infinites existed and I can tell you the other thing almost as frustrating is dealing with the horrible gen rushers and SWF troll parties.
But hey, that's what's good for the business, so obviously someone who favors this kind of playstyle will fall back to the business argument, the weakest and saddest argument that could be made when it comes to video games.
Even titans like EA and Blizzard are beginning to fall because of prioritizing business over integrity. Not sure if BHVR will ever get the message though. Probably not, since this game is a trolls paradise and they do everything they can to keep it that way.
Meanwhile Im playing Smash Ultimate, a game with a roster of 74 characters and still manages to be more balanced than DbD could ever dream to be. Because DbD doesn't dream about the game anymore, only that $$$$$$
Oh, and before you ask, yes, a proper balance IS MORE IMPORTANT than your desire to play said game with your friends.
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@Master said:
@SenzuDuck said:
The_Crusader said:
weirdkid5 said:This idea that "because he eventually killed you" and "he didn't prolong the match" is exactly why we have little shits like that still running around in the game.
In any other game something like this would immediately be labeled as greifing, no matter how long the time (unless you're playing Rust, in which case you better be prepared to be someone's little prisoner)
In any other game, one team standing in the way to block the other from doing their objective would have been fixed a long, long time ago.
Bodyblocking shouldn't be in the game for anyone. But survivors wanted it as a tactic, so it's only fair that killers get to use it as a tactic too.
The bias is strong. I don’t get how people don’t see the difference between survivor body blocks and killer body blocks.
SURVIVORS TAKE DAMAGE
KILLERS DO NOT
you risk something to block as a survivor you risk nothing as a killer.
this guy waited 8 minutes, after 2/3 most players would assume a hostage game and DC.
A killer bodyblocking a guy in basement risks losing all map pressure and geting genrushed
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@weirdkid5 said:
This idea that "because he eventually killed you" and "he didn't prolong the match" is exactly why we have little shits like that still running around in the game.In any other game something like this would immediately be labeled as greifing, no matter how long the time (unless you're playing Rust, in which case you better be prepared to be someone's little prisoner)
The killer could have gotten more kills by hooking the guy, camping the hook and using his noed on another survivor and then camping that hook. Easy 2k, instead of the 1k he got.
While he bodyblocked the basement, the survivors had free reign of of the map. It's in the same vein as camping a hook, only WAAAAY less efficient. Camping a hook at least makes sense because you are getting your kill while taking a survivor out of the match...plus it's only 2 mins.
Bodyblocking in this way is not a good strategy unless you are solely trying to frustrate that survivor. And if the survivor wasn't taunting the killer, then it is truly a dick move.
But we also don't know what happened pre-bodyblock! Maybe this survivor was teabagging and taunting...in which case, the in-game response makes sense.
That's quite irrelevant. You are still holding someone's game hostage for 5+ minutes. This should be bannable.
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This idea that "because he eventually killed you" and "he didn't prolong the match" is exactly why we have little shits like that still running around in the game.
In any other game something like this would immediately be labeled as greifing, no matter how long the time (unless you're playing Rust, in which case you better be prepared to be someone's little prisoner)
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See my petition on the Steam forums which has over 4000 comments, or here on the official forums which strangely stopped showing up on the front page about 3 days after I posted it despite replies, and still will not show up on the front page.
This issue has been beaten into the ground, and honestly nothing short of simply splitting the queues into solo-only players and SWF-only players is going to fix it. I have a pretty good idea that could still allow it to be used in some kind of competitive Ranked mode, but the devs, both Dave and not_Queen have made it quite clear to me that they have no intention in doing jack ######### about SWF.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Vortexas said:
I dunno OP is it bannable for Survivors to body block a hook?The fact that people can't see the difference between body blocking a killer and body blocking a survivor.
A survivor takes damage, a killer does not.
You take a risk to body block as a survivor you take no risk body blocking as a killer.
I swear some of you don't actually play this game.
The risk is that you lose the other Survivors and essentially lose the match. But that's not the point, the point is that you put the other person into a situation where they are completely at your mercy and you can simply walk away from the computer and turn on Netflix to force a DC.
Trapping someone in the basement for any longer than like, 30 seconds should be bannable. No one should have to put up with that bullshit. This could easily be fixed by making the Killer passable after about 15 seconds of idling. This wouldn't affect Insidious either, as you should be hidden when using it anyway, not blocking someone's path, and this would still allow the Killer to bodyblock doorways in chases.
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I agree with actually just nerfing the hell out of DS. I'm not so sure why this hasn't been done already. I hate to say it, but it might be a good idea to disable DS until a fix can be found for it. That perk should really be priority on the list of things that need balancing.
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"Impossible to be looped"
*walks out of thread
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@Nos37 said:
This post has become a separate topic: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/5109/can-this-balance-swfWhy you hijackin my thread man lol
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Clown is awesome. He requires a different kind of playstyle. I feel as though great Survivors can find great success with him because of the fact you pretty much need to predict the Survivor's movements in order to effectively use his gas.
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@xmenfanatic said:
@Orion said:
@xmenfanatic said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@Detective_Jonathan said:
@weirdkid5 said:
I think it can be chalked up to the Survivors having heightened senses in the Realm.The heartbeat for instance, is not the Survivor heartbeat but rather the Killer's heartbeat that the Survivors have fine turned their hearing for. Benedict Baker explains this in his journal.
By extension, you could assume the Survivors are capable of know their entire surroundings due to increased survival instincts.
But why does the killers heartbeat need to sound like he is about to get caught doing something he shouldn't? It sounds like the heartbeat is the survivors hearing their own heart instead of the killers.
Couldnt answer that for ya buddy. I would chalk that up to gameplay mechanic, but I suppose maybe the survivor is just "hearing more beats." I'm just telling you what the canon says haha
If you watch some of the earlier videos on the DbD YouTube channel, they e plicitly state that the heartbeat is the survivors. I’m guessing that since the survivors have all these aura reading abilities that the entity has granted them some level of psychic ability that they all share with each other and the killers at different levels.
The heartbeat rising could be them just KNOWING the killer is getting closer and that thought is causing their heart to beat really fast
The Terror Radius emanates from the Killers.
That’s exactly what I was thinking, and I wasn’t sure if it was done because mechanically it was easier, or if it was a misspeak in the lore, I’ll have to sift through the videos and QandA to be certain because I believe I saw it in one of those!
It said it in Benedict Baker's Journal, which is now erroneously gone from the DbD official website. Hmmm.
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Now all those closet hiding Dwight's will really get theirs
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You do know that if you struggle off and the struggle would have put you into the struggle state, then your next hook will kill you?Tsulan said:Ohh and it will cause more gen rush.
SWF will equip this and the survivor on the hook will tell the others to keep doing gens. He will unhook himself right before struggling. No need to leave the gen to unhook.
So basically if someone waits until almost halfway, not only do they screw themselves for healing, but will also guaranteed die next hook. What's the issue?
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I dont have to watch videos on YouTube because I read Baker's journal where it explicitly states the heartbeat belongs to the Killer.xmenfanatic said:@weirdkid5 said:
@Detective_Jonathan said:
@weirdkid5 said:
I think it can be chalked up to the Survivors having heightened senses in the Realm.The heartbeat for instance, is not the Survivor heartbeat but rather the Killer's heartbeat that the Survivors have fine turned their hearing for. Benedict Baker explains this in his journal.
By extension, you could assume the Survivors are capable of know their entire surroundings due to increased survival instincts.
But why does the killers heartbeat need to sound like he is about to get caught doing something he shouldn't? It sounds like the heartbeat is the survivors hearing their own heart instead of the killers.
Couldnt answer that for ya buddy. I would chalk that up to gameplay mechanic, but I suppose maybe the survivor is just "hearing more beats." I'm just telling you what the canon says haha
If you watch some of the earlier videos on the DbD YouTube channel, they e plicitly state that the heartbeat is the survivors. I’m guessing that since the survivors have all these aura reading abilities that the entity has granted them some level of psychic ability that they all share with each other and the killers at different levels.
The heartbeat rising could be them just KNOWING the killer is getting closer and that thought is causing their heart to beat really fast
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Everyone with a brain should know this.
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Of course. Perkless should be a viable option as well.Zanfer said:@weirdkid5 said:
These changes are insane and will completely change the pace of the game and how things play out I feel.Should be interesting. The PTB hasn't dropped yet right?
I mean you can just run perkless and still do super well as a survivor.
As for a killer idk. Perks do help a lot for killers rn especially ruin..
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Ooooo this game is gonna get juicy I certainly hope.
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They dont owe you for something that isn't their fault.
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I've been playing the game since Day 1. This has never been a thing.BLUE_APE said:@weirdkid5 said:
No it was not. Thankfully so as well.Oh okay, I swear I saw it on youtube though, but alright
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Did you wake up on the wrong side of the hook or are you just bored todayLowbei said:nobody cares. stop. -
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Yes it is lmao that's the only way I can even have fun as Survivor anymore.MrChills said:Solo rank 1 survivor is not fun.
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These changes are insane and will completely change the pace of the game and how things play out I feel.
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As a Meg main, I would call the cancer unintentional
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Yea I would say Queen is a very attractive lady. Many of the members of this team are good looking. Looking at you Horvath kek
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No it was not. Thankfully so as well.
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You dont have to register anything for Discord itself more than you do for Steam. I mean Steam literally invades your PC, it's in the EULA lmao plus the prize will be codes. Not like someone is gonna sign on your account.Jack11803 said:@weirdkid5 said:
How is it sketch if all you gotta do is join a Discord and @not_Queen is hosting it? She's in the Discord associated with this yknow, as are like, 3 other BHVR members including Jeff and Horvath.I'd assume that as he never used discord, he doesn’t know if you need to register any important information.
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How is it sketch if all you gotta do is join a Discord and @not_Queen is hosting it? She's in the Discord associated with this yknow, as are like, 3 other BHVR members including Jeff and Horvath.
https://youtu.be/Xa1-BFNG1OE