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@AnnaEliza365 said:
I don't even care about surviving, I just wanted a pip. I didn't get a single pip that entire batch - and I only black pipped twice. I switched up my build, I changed characters and cosmetics to attract less attention, I brought my best items, I even went the stereotypical blendette for a couple games hoping the immersion would save me even a little.
I don't know if this is just me being over-emotional in general, but after that last game I literally just wanted to start sobbing. Like when you've been holding back tears back for so long your chest starts to hurt and your nose gets stuffy.
Dont take this as insulting or uncaring. But if you are getting that emotional over a game, it may be healthy for you to take a break.
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Nevermind
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@worriedfeng03 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228242#Comment_2228242
Just say you're most likely homophobic and go
@worriedfeng03 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228478#Comment_2228478
But you should be banned for doing so.
Um no. Because even if that were true, i dont break any games rules when i play and i dont insult or harass people during or after the game. In fact when insulted i try to open a dialogue and talk it out.
I am in no way wanting to insult people with his thread. I am choosing my words carefully. If you do take offense to anything I am saying, then maybe you need to look at yourself first
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@MadLordJack said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228458#Comment_2228458
What reasons would someone have for targeting people wearing the pride charm and admitting it?
I dont know. Hell half the time i dont know why i do what i do. People get paid really good money to figure stuff like that out.
All i know is saying you tunneled because they don't like the charm is the same as someone saying they dont like adams jacket. Could they be bigoted? Yeah. Probably are. But they really could just hate the jacket.
Now if they start saying garbage like i hate pride charm wearing f****** and <insert stupid homophobic insults here> then yes ban away.
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@worriedfeng03 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228083#Comment_2228083
tunneling someone simply because of their character is a major d!ck move, same with tunneling someone because they wear a pride charm.
Yes it is a dick move, i admit it. But not bannable.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228443#Comment_2228443
adam equal Jamaican pride, feng and yui asian pride
What do you base this claim on?
On these forums i have seen posts thanking the devs for creating characters that align with their nationality or looks. If people didn't want to feel represented by the characters they played, then why is having an lgbtq+ character so important.
No not everyone uses characters for personal validation but many do.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228423#Comment_2228423
They're not because the charm has a very specific, singular meaning whereas the characters you describe can represent many things such that there isn't something that can inherently be zeroed in on without additional context. You say that this is about the cosmetic and nothing more, but the cosmetic is so heavily linked to the idea it represents that you can't easily just separate the two without being very clear in doing so.
Well see here's the thing. I would have zero idea what that pride charm represented if my daughter wasn't bi. If i wasn't on these forums i wouldnt know it was even an issue.
This game is really my only hobby. I dont have a social media presence other than these forums.
So i would argue the point that anyone would have to be aware of what that cosmetic represents. You may be hard pressed to seperate the idea from the cosmetic but that does not mean they rest of the world does
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@MadLordJack said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228404#Comment_2228404
A charm is not the same as a character. Tunneling someone for playing a specific character is you being a miserable scumbag. Tunneling someone for showing their support for LGBT+ people's is you being a homophobe. There's no two ways about it, that charm represents a lot more than just a few pretty colours and if you don't like the look of it, tough shite.
They are completely the same. Pride flag represents lgbtq+, adam equal Jamaican pride, feng and yui asian pride. Every character and cosmetic in the game represents something.
And yes, you like something so to hell with everyone else. I agree. However, your opinion is yours. You are free to like something just the same as someone else is allowed to dislike something.
And if someone wants to tunnel for a charm they have the right to. They absolutely DO NOT have the right to throw around slurs and harm others physically or emotionally.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228404#Comment_2228404
And yet racist people tend to be very free with their slurs. It is very common to see racial name calling in messeges and poat game chats. Why would homophobes be any different?
There are those who would be careful not to expose themselves, and there are those who wouldn't care and go all-out. This applies to both scenarios.
I am not automatically racist if i tunnel all Fengs and i am not automatically homophobic if i dont like rainbows.
You're not homophobic because you don't like rainbows. But consider that you said "if I don't like rainbows" and not "if I tunnel all users using that specific charm." It's because the scenario you are describing is not a reasonable one to occur.
Yes. And the ones who don't hurl insults are able to keep playing the game with no one the wiser as to their motivations.
Just saying with no insults, i dont like charm or i dont like character should be treated the same.
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@Enlyne said:
You're entirely missing the point of our answers.
And you are not understanding what I am saying. We are at an impasse
@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228363#Comment_2228363
You're allowed to not like the charm. You don't get banned for that.
That said, it is not reasonable to assume that a person would intentionally tunnel someone specifically because of the charm and then deliberately announce/acknowledge that they tunneled someone out of the game because of the charm without understanding the meaning behind the charm and understanding that not being VERY careful with what you say will present you in a less than positive light.
And yet racist people tend to be very free with their slurs. It is very common to see racial name calling in messeges and poat game chats. Why would homophobes be any different?
@MadLordJack said:
Is it reportable to be an overt homophobe? Yes, yes it is, just like if you were to tunnel Claudette's and Adams and claim it's because they're black.
Outing yourself as targeting members or supporters of a minority is absolutely grounds for punishment. Tunneling people because of the character or perks they are using is not.
People wear the pride charm to display that they are a member of supporter of an extremely targeted group of people. Do the maths on what happens if you admit to tunneling them for it.
And what im saying is, not liking the charm and tunneling someone because of it is exactly the same as not like adam and tunelling them. If in post game chat or messeges, the reason is i dont like the charm or i dont like adam without any other statement, then none of them are bannable.
However, it seems that their is almost a go to association with not liking the charm and being a homophobe. One that could possibly get someone banned.
I am not automatically racist if i tunnel all Fengs and i am not automatically homophobic if i dont like rainbows.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228341#Comment_2228341
So by that logic, if i tunnel Elodie or Adam then i must be racist?
No, just like how you don't get banned if you tunnel someone with a Pride charm. You get banned if you announce that you tunneled someone BECAUSE they had the pride charm, much like how you presumably get banned if you announced that you tunneled Elodie or Adam because they're black.
@Enlyne said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228341#Comment_2228341
The stuff you're trying to justify or talk about has already been answered multiple times, either in my previous comments, or by others.
I don't know what you're trying to pull by this point, there's nothing else to offer as an answer, and there's no way you simply don't understand why people make out a fuss out of this already.
I haven't seen a person actually get banned under what you think.
If i say i dont like the charm, im a homophobe. If i say i dont like elodie im not racist unless i say 'because she is black'
All I am saying is if i say i tunneled you because you have the charm it should be treated the same as if i said i hate elodie.
But hating the charm automatically means im homophobic where as i have to prove im racist if i hate elodie.
Intentions are being unequally asserted. And even though it hasn't happened that we know if, the potential for it to happen is there. And also, would you really know if someone was banned for it who isn't outspoken in these forums. I never met a real life mass murderer but im pretty sure they exist.
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Ive only ever played console, but in a game that requires split second decision making, fps is crucial. Also, graphic controls are a big thing.
I do think a really good console player, when switching to PC would become an even better player performance wise. There really isnt anything to preclude a console survivor from being great but i do think pc has options to make it a little easier.
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@Enlyne said:
I'm at a loss for words if you can't understand that the pride flag is not something that "just means something to a specific person", it's the literal definition of the wiki.
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The rainbow flag (also known as the gay pride flag or LGBT pride flag) is a symbol of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) pride and LGBTQ social movements. The colors reflect the diversity of the LGBTQ community, as the flag is often used as a symbol of gay pride during LGBTQ rights marches.
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This is not about rainbows and hating them or whatever, whether you have some individual thoughts or else about it, it doesn't suddenly stop being what it was meant to be at the beginning.
Mind you this whole fuss about LGBT stuff did not start after the pride charm but rather as soon as people thought All-Kill chapter was starring LGBT characters, and these things only happen as soon as something LGBT appears in whatever you imagine. It shouldn't be surprising to you that whoever belongs to it is already tired of these kinda posts and stuff, there's really a lot of bigotry outside, and believe it or not, tunneling a character for whatever reason is not equal to tunneling a person who's open about being in this group for the hate reasoning, crimes out there tell you volumes about what happens to gay or trans people nearly every single day.
That's my two cents.
@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228242#Comment_2228242
How many people have to say somerhing is offensive before it becomes bannable? When people were arguing leatherfaces claudette mask was offensive most disagreed and no one got banned for using it. Unless the user was in post game chat actually using racial insults.
That's why the line is drawn at admitting that you tunneled someone because they had the pride charm and not just tunneling someone who happens to have the pride charm. Because the former carries a connotation that goes beyond a reasonable doubt whereas the latter does not.
This isnt about lgbtq+. This is literally about banning because of a cosmetic.
If i say i dont like the charm and say i tunneled because of the charm, i get banned. Regardless of my actual intentions or feelings. Regardless if im bigoted or not.
So by that logic, if i tunnel Elodie or Adam then i must be racist?
All im saying is that automatically ascribing motive to someone is wrong. And if you do it for a single cosmetic, then you have to do it for all of them or none of them.
And yes i feel that even if someone says they did it because of the charm, that isnt grounds for punishment. Just like if someone said, I tunneled because Adam.
And while i wholeheartedly agree that tunneling because of a cosmetic, especially a near invisible charm cosmetic, is stupid, people have their motives. And not every person has malicious or bigoted motivations.
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@oxygen said:
If you for some bizarre reason actually say you went after them because of the charm in chat, yes you should be banned. There's no reason to actually say that unless you're either doing some kinda cringy "salt mining" or you're genuinely bigoted if you ask me.
I agree with what you say mostly. But there is a huge difference in saying, "I hate you" and "i hate rainbows"
@Enlyne said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228143#Comment_2228143
I insist the left 4 dead charm represents no minority, at least vocally, you can't quite compare a videogame's iconic logo to a literal flag, a flag that is about the pride of being you and about fighting against oppression. It's something people unite under to fight together so that one day the hate crimes will end, or we will get proper respect out there.
Then again I would also like to point out that tunneling out of a strategic decision is not a bad thing regardless of a person wearing the pride or not and being the target, the difference is whether it is a logical decision, or a hate-based one, and nobody will get randomly banned for it.
The only reason to get banned is if you explicitly say you tunnel people because they're LGBT+ or respect said group, not because of wearing a charm.
The context is what matters, nothing else.
That is what the charm means to you. But not everybody knows nor shares that belief. I mean for a large (majority?) of the world the US flag represents freedom and opportunity. However there are those who think it means hate and oppression. Just because something means something to you, and even a group of people, doesnt mean others share the same significance. As i said above, there is a huge difference between, "i hate rainbows" and "I hate you"
@WexlerWendigo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228143#Comment_2228143
I’m going to need a ladder to be at the same height of the reach you just made lol.
Never said it was a good comparison lol
@SpookyPumpkinPiez said:
Tbh it's kinda not right to target a specific person even by the character they play. How they act, however, I can understand you wanting to get rid of t baggers and whatever else.
Difference is i cant get banned for targetting all ace's. Even if i my screen name was 'I tunnel ace' and i actively said i tunneled you because you were ace. If i didnt repeatedly do it to the same person i would most likely not get banned. If my name was 'i tunnel rainbows' and targeted anyone with that charm i would most likely get banned
@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228143#Comment_2228143
Because each cosmetic represents something different. You have to prove that the Left 4 Dead charm represents a disability if you want to make the case you are trying to make.
How many people have to say somerhing is offensive before it becomes bannable? When people were arguing leatherfaces claudette mask was offensive most disagreed and no one got banned for using it. Unless the user was in post game chat actually using racial insults.
I argue the same rules should imply here. Even if a person just says i hate the charm, i dont feel that is bannable. Insulting the person and making hateful insults with the intent of causing emotional harm should be.
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Why? They are both cosmetics. If no reason is offered other than because cosmetic, why is one bannable but not the other?
@Enlyne said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2228085#Comment_2228085
The purpose of your post is specifically about the pride charm, the left 4 dead hand holds no symbolism towards LGBTQ+ or any other minorities.
And yes, there's little to no reason to tunnel someone because of the pride charm, the main one to believe and the most likely is simply irrational hate towards said people, which while it isn't always the case, if you're vocal about it you're being a dum dum and there's nothing else to it.
Live and let live and nobody gets in trouble for it.
I agree, live and let live. But you can't ascribe intention to a strangers actions. Just because you think someone hates LGBTQ+ because they don't like rainbows does actually mean you are correct. I get you are most likely correct in this instance, but if we can ban for tunneling 1 cosmetic, what's to say we can't ban for tunneling any other cosmetic?
@WexlerWendigo said:
Yes, anyone who tunnels because of the pride charm should be banned. No question about it.
To me the left 4 dead charm mocks physically disabled people because it is missing a finger. Im offended if im wearing it and get tunneled. No one is going to ban that killer. Why? They are both cosmetics. Why is one bannable but not the other?
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/253529/serious-question
My question is this, even if i were to say that I tunneled you because of the charm, is that grounds for punishment?
At least one mod on the forum has said that the answer is yes:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2226856#Comment_2226856
So would it be reportable if i tunneled someone and said it was because of the left 4 dead hand charm?
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@TicTac said:
But for which reason would you tunnel people bc of the charm? Its no gameplay advantage.
There is no gameplay advantage in playing jane. No real gameplay reason that I tunnel them other than i dont like the character or any of her cosmetics. I will give hatch to every character but claudette. No im not racist i just dont like her. Should I be banned?
@Tsulan said:
People shouldn´t be targeted because of their race, gender, sexual preference or beliefs.
I completely and wholeheartedly agree
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Original series star trek outfits with dwight being the redshirt.
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@VioletCrimes said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2222557#Comment_2222557
I honestly doubt that this is going to be as big of a problem as people may think. I do think that the autoban system is going to be a mess with unnecessary reports, but I don’t think the little flag on our hips is going to be what clogs up the system.
I agree with you, but again, all this panic is the Dev's fault. They threw something like this out there with next to no information.
I appreciate them letting us know stuff and prefer it to silence, but something as big as an autoban system shouldnt be glossed over.
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@MongolPSR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2222488#Comment_2222488
If the person states they went after them because of the charm it's pretty cut and dry.
Christ I didn't realize a little charm could cause so much gay panic.
Its not gay panic. I would argue that most of the 'straight' players could care less what anyone else does outside the game. (Yes there are those who hate just to hate, and they belong to every group from every walk of life)
People are genuinely worried about the autoban system as they announced it with very little information. Devs are completely to blame for that.
Then they made the post saying its harassment to target those charm users which is bannable.
Put the 2 together, with again very little information, and yes people are worried that they are going to be punished.
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To be fair, how can a killer even see a charm on a survivor? I can hardly make out keys in a lobby.
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@Crypticghoul said:
I really like the idea of the perk and plan to use it for a bit to form a better opinion on it but Counterforce as a standalone perk seems underwhelming because it doesn't have a totem counter like others have mentioned and because it picks the furthest totem from you to reveal.
If a survivor picks the farthest totem to cleanse each time they cleanse one then it will take them a ridiculous amount of time to cleanse them all. I'm hoping they change it to a random totem that gets revealed as survivor perk slots are already incredibly competitive.
Does it need a counter though? Cleanse a totem; see an aura then theres more. No aura congrats, all the totems are done
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Jane- Her voice is loud and pierces into my soul.
Feng- Only because she's my daughter's main and i like upsetting her!
Nea- Only so she can take her rightful place as the most OP killer main.
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A complete redesign of the bloodweb.
Seperate clutter and perks.
One tier for each perk. Perks are randomly generated and cost more as you unlock more. First 5 are 1000, 2nd 5 are 5000 up to a cap at 30k each.
The clutter side has all the items with each bloodweb completed granting iri shards in small amounts. Starting at 2 and maxing at 100 at level 50. Prestige 1 doubles rewards. Prestige 2 triples and prestige 3 maxes at 500 for a level 50 web. Also a small chance for auric cells in p3 level 50 webs. Max of like 2 or 3.
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@glitchboi said:
Ah yes, Clown's new bottle, the Afterpiece Annihilator.
Any survivor that walks into its smoke instantly disconnects from the game. No questions asked.
She didn't disconnect! Actually she was the only one to live. Hatch with 2 gens left
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@AVoiceOfReason said:
Jesus, that blue filter hurt my eyes. How do you even play like that?
@CoalTower said:
What the hell was that filter?
It isnt a filter. Only way i can record is through my phone videoing the TV screen. I should say, upload that is.
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@miketheratguy said:
I think that RE7 is one of the greatest games ever made but it's hardly iconic, and the new game is...well, not only new, but from the story I spoiled myself on, stupid as well.
We'll be getting Jill and Chris, Leon and Claire, or some combination thereof. There's no way to celebrate RE's 25th anniversary without including at least one of those characters. Preferably Jill or Chris, since they were there from the start. The killer could be anyone from any of the entries I guess, it really doesn't matter as much. Many of the RE killers are pretty similar with the exception of Boobs McGee.
I feel the really iconic parts of re are the playable characters. Which is why i think they will be the new survivors. I really don't see how to make Ethan a survivor since (at least in 7) we dont know what he looks like.
I strongly suspect 2 killers. I just feel like Capcom wants to promote the new age of resident evil.
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@TheStabbiNAngeL said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2205266#Comment_2205266
I thought people posted glitches out of humor, that's usually my intentions
Exactly this. I thought it was funny. I dont take the game serious enough to get pissed at stuff like this.
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@BrokenSouI said:
Not sure why you're even giving hacking any sort of lime light
Not sure if it was hacking or glitching. It was a console user. And nothing throughout the match was questionable.
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@DwightFairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2199797#Comment_2199797
why is it 5 maps, what is literally the point
I dont know why they made 5 badham maps. I just dont want 5 haddonfield too
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Wraith. I cant stand him. Don't mind playing as him from time to time, but against him makes me want to DC. I don't. I just want to.
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Haddonfield rework.....as long as they don't fo the badham thing and make 5 different maps.
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Maybe discordance and tinkerer and pray?
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Its all just a smoke screen. Umbrella is associated heavily with Raccoon City. What is in cities? Hoods. 4 leaf clover. Lucky. Leprechaun.
Leprechaun in the Hood.
Your welcome.
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Killer snowman!
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Technically, it would be seal team 4.
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@AnneBonny said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2180293#Comment_2180293
I wouldn't complain, definitely more action than horror, but at the same time imagine the chase music
I agree on music. And to be fair, is DBD really a horror game? When the survivors scare the killers more, isn't this just an survival/action game?
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Doom?
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1. The game just come out. Say what you want about nostalgia, but RE8 got so much hype because of Lady D. It would be kind of smart for Behavior to get the newest and the best and maybe some of the players over to here.
2. Mr X. Would walk around punching people and Nemesis....we will never get a rocket launcher. To make any of the 3 most common desired characters work, they would have to take liberties with the powers.
3. They could make her plague sized and if really wouldn't be that far off.
4. Sex sells. Sorry but it does. Whether you or i want it or not. Look at all the Kate's running around with her new top. Lady D. And the daughters would be cash cows. (Which i think the daughters will be cosmetic sets)
5. Not a big RE fan so don't really know the lesser known villains. I will take your word for it.
6. Maybe/maybe not. 5 year anniversary is huge. Possible we get 2 killers.
7. Because they never did any kind of misdirection before. Not to mention they could put a few iconic sections from multiple games to make 1 map.
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Most guys like looking at pretty girls.
Many girls like looking at pretty girls.
Girls = Money in video games, movies, television, etc.
It may not be PC to state it so bluntly but it's the truth.
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I just want Nea to take her rightful place at top of the killer hierarchy
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Hello. My name is Normal. Abbie Normal.
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@NVerde said:
What does the 'Grandmaster' bit for an adept challenge mean? I've done David, Bill, Felix and Dwight as adept.
Its getting merciless killer with no perks and no add-ons on every killer
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@justbecause said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2164569#Comment_2164569
Those old school stubborn ppl u say are the ones who kept this title alive for 25 years and re1&re2 and re4 are the reason those games are where they are rn imagine adding character we haven't even seen face to over original iconic characters like Leon, Claire, Jill or Chris and Ada
Except by the time the chapter drops, re8 will have been out a month.
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@Northener1907 said:
Because Yun is not interesting, that's all. Her perks are not so good. Her story is good but that is not single player game. So we did read and finished. She is not different than any survivor.
And if i don't remember wrong Laurie was selfish survivor?
Laurie was selfish in that they were going for the feel of being not only the focus of the killers attention but also the final girl. Someone who actively gets the upper hand on the killer at the end of a movie. Her perks reflect that.
Yun is selfish by nature. Self centered and using people for her own advancement. Her perks totally showcase her personality.
In fact Yun actually is epitome of what dead by daylight was designed as. A group of people working towards a common goal, but not a team. You need the others to help escape, but at the end of the game, your own survival is all that matters.
Yun would totally rescue someone from a hook if it didn't put her goal in peril. She would never take aggro and would always have a key.
She is the best survivor released, thematically, probably since Laurie. Which is crazy since most think Trickster is the worst thematically.
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@csandman1977 said:
The broadcast is the 25th. The calandar shows the 17th. 8 days early. RE 8. Lady demitricousin....stompy vampire lady confirmed.
Or is it the 24th? Either way, 17=1+7=8.
Sounds good to me!
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The broadcast is the 25th. The calandar shows the 17th. 8 days early. RE 8. Lady demitricousin....stompy vampire lady confirmed.
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@Krunga said:
I believe Sole Survivor is not a completely terrible perk. It does what it says it does, but the way you gain tokens IS terrible. I think it should be tied to completed gens instead of your team dying, so running SS and OOO while your team is repairing gens quick combos well.
I mean, sole survivor is a huge nod to being the final girl in a horror movie. Tying it to gens removes the only cool thing about it.
Not that it doesn't need a rework. But it should be a last alive kind of perk
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Cool? Not really. I hit someone with an oni smash. Does that count? I hate on I lol
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@gibblywibblywoo said:
Representation matters so some people and to others it doesn't and thats fine.
I can say as a white dude that I can probably count the games where I've played as a Black male/female or Asian dude in a main character role on one hand. And I've never really questioned it because it was normal for me.
But imagine being in the shoes of, say, a young african american or asian teenager and seeing every game having buff white dudes or oversexualised blonde white women in every game. Then one game comes along and has a character who looks and sounds like you.
It's going to be a big deal.
For example, as far as comic book movies go Black Panther was pretty average, but it was the first major PG13 tentpole comic book movie featuring all black leads. I think the box office returns speak for themselves.
Again, it doesn't matter if you don't care, that's perfectly fine. But don't rag on others for caring.
I do wonder, if the movie was seperated from the rest of the marvel avengers story if it would have performed any different.
Personally i thought the movie was ok. Not the amazing blockbuster it was hyped as.
Was never a huge fan of the character in the comics, however there was a run by christopher priest that was absolutely amazing.
Off topic. Sorry OP