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@The_Crusader said:
Calling a camper is harassing? As if he didnt ruin the game by standing next to the hook repeatedly hitting someone. Probably a legit strategy in your eyes.Get off your high horse. All you do is defend killer side no matter what. Its pathetic. Really wish this forum had a block button.
Camping and hitting someone repeatedly on the hook are not the same thing. You accused him of the former before you harassed him (yes, it's harassment), and said that he did the latter after you'd harassed him. If you'd actually said everything from the start, then I would've supported your side.
Get off your paranoid horse.
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@MegaWaffle said:
@GT_Legend2 said:
i swear I’m the last 4 games I got as Huntress in Xbox, 3 of them have been from Lèrys, no offerings. 1, stop giving me [BAD WORD] Lèrys, 2, make the map fun for everyone is possible. If that’s what the current map selector is, it ain’t workingWell I haven't played Nurse on PS4 in a good long while maybe I'll do a practice match.
Gets Lery's Memorial
Ah, that's why I haven't played her for so long...
And that is why I haven't played her in a long time as well. Seems the Entity loves to ######### me and give me the worst possible map for the Nurse. I know it's random, but when your choice of Killer can be essentially neutralized by a map, kinda takes the fun out of playing that Killer.
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@Dragonredking said:
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@steezo_de said:
The OP never said he never wanted to play against killers that beat him. Harassment is the issue, not winning or losing.And this feature would be (ab)used to avoid Killers who beat you (not you specifically, I mean it in the general sense). It's how these things always go.
And we know it to be true, since a long time ago survivor discovered that they could see who was the killer throught steam recently played with user and people where literally getting dodged for having nurses related achievment.
But for some reason when the dev decided to fix this they did a 360 turn and added the name of the survivor the killer was against as well as a direct link to their profile in the lobby for some unknow reason.Killers have always been able to see Survivors' names in the lobby. It was never removed because Killers do not abuse this nearly as much as Survivors did.
No
Not in the lobby atleast.
Hell even survivor didn't see other survivor username either until the game started or if they used the chat
Wrong. Killers could always see them. It was only Survivors that got the ability to do so later on.
No they couldn't
Interesting. Seems I was wrong. Killers did have the ability to see Survivors' profiles, though, of that I'm certain. Back when infinites became widespread, there was even a blacklist with Survivors who abused them (as you can imagine, it was a very, very long list).
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@The_Crusader said:
@MegaWaffle said:
@The_Crusader said:
I asked for this too. I had to change my steam name due to people holding a grudge. No word from Behaviour at all.Well considering your name did you per-chance raid their village under the guise of his holiness?
Haha no, I called him a camper for....well camping all game. He somehow got salty over it.
So you harassed him first. Why am I not surprised?
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@The_Crusader said:
@Orion said:
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@The_Crusader said:
Then keep the lobby as it is but hide survivor profile names..Because? There's a reason that hasn't been removed: Killers do not dodge nearly as much as Survivors did back when they could.
lmfao, killers dodge all the time.
and because people get harassed. I've had to change my steam name due to harassment more than once.
And yet, not as much as Survivors did back when they could see Killers' profiles, or else the devs would've removed it from both sides. Time to face the facts.
If you're being harassed without justification, that's what the report system is for.
The report system is worthless and you know it.
Stop defending everything killer sided as always ffs. All I'm hearing is "I wanna see their profiles so I can dodge if I think they're SWF or really good".
The report system is not worthless, and you'd know that if you'd actually used it. Peanits has proven time and time again that reports are looked at.
I don't defend anything. I'm explaining why Killers still have the ability to check Survivor profiles and why the reverse isn't true.
If you're hearing voices, you should see a doctor (not Herman).
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@Dragonredking said:
@Orion said:
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@steezo_de said:
The OP never said he never wanted to play against killers that beat him. Harassment is the issue, not winning or losing.And this feature would be (ab)used to avoid Killers who beat you (not you specifically, I mean it in the general sense). It's how these things always go.
And we know it to be true, since a long time ago survivor discovered that they could see who was the killer throught steam recently played with user and people where literally getting dodged for having nurses related achievment.
But for some reason when the dev decided to fix this they did a 360 turn and added the name of the survivor the killer was against as well as a direct link to their profile in the lobby for some unknow reason.Killers have always been able to see Survivors' names in the lobby. It was never removed because Killers do not abuse this nearly as much as Survivors did.
No
Not in the lobby atleast.
Hell even survivor didn't see other survivor username either until the game started or if they used the chatWrong. Killers could always see them. It was only Survivors that got the ability to do so later on.
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@The_Crusader said:
@Orion said:
@The_Crusader said:
Then keep the lobby as it is but hide survivor profile names..Because? There's a reason that hasn't been removed: Killers do not dodge nearly as much as Survivors did back when they could.
lmfao, killers dodge all the time.
and because people get harassed. I've had to change my steam name due to harassment more than once.
And yet, not as much as Survivors did back when they could see Killers' profiles, or else the devs would've removed it from both sides. Time to face the facts.
If you're being harassed without justification, that's what the report system is for.
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@Dragonredking said:
@Orion said:
@steezo_de said:
The OP never said he never wanted to play against killers that beat him. Harassment is the issue, not winning or losing.And this feature would be (ab)used to avoid Killers who beat you (not you specifically, I mean it in the general sense). It's how these things always go.
And we know it to be true, since a long time ago survivor discovered that they could see who was the killer throught steam recently played with user and people where literally getting dodged for having nurses related achievment.
But for some reason when the dev decided to fix this they did a 360 turn and added the name of the survivor the killer was against as well as a direct link to their profile in the lobby for some unknow reason.Killers have always been able to see Survivors' names in the lobby. It was never removed because Killers do not abuse this nearly as much as Survivors did.
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@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
That's an over generalization and you know it since most won't abuse anything anymore than most killers won't. There's always going to be that small % on both sides that abuse anything they can.Cough Tinker II, Clown reload cough.
It's not, and you know it. In my experience, Survivor exploits spread and are reported by Killers, whereas Killer exploits are reported by both sides. Both are abused, mind you, but Survivors finding and abusing exploits occurs far more often than Killers doing the same thing. There are exceptions, as with all things.
Well of course there's more survivors doing it since common sense dictates that there's more of them to do so. If there's 4 survivors to every 1 killer in a match then that's 4x the chances of it being exploited compared to 1.
You can't say that 1 side doesn't report it's own since that's completely false and you know it since I see survivor posts about this stuff. Both sides do it, both sides report it and both sides have their idiots with the side having more players having more.
Lets not pretend that killers are somehow angels in all this since they're most certainly not, on both sides the small % makes each side look bad. Because as with the Tinkerer bug it was a survivors that reported it not killers. Those same killers then all suddenly started exploiting it until the devs started banning people.
As far as survivor side exploits i've been paying attention and trying to report any I see and if I get a map tile with a known location i start a video to send in.
I meant it's disproportionately so. Tinkerer II was not as heavily abused as, say, insta-flashlights or Dead Hard.
I didn't say that one side doesn't report their own exploits. Like I said, there are exceptions. I also didn't say that Killers are angels. My experience is the way it is - Survivor exploits get passed around and abused, Killer exploits get reported.
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@The_Crusader said:
Then keep the lobby as it is but hide survivor profile names..Because? There's a reason that hasn't been removed: Killers do not dodge nearly as much as Survivors did back when they could.
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@AshleyWB said:
I said they were different perks. What I also said is that they are too similar. They both do the same thing (increase chance of self unhook) even though SM lets you get outta traps easier. Deliverance gives you unbroken status and requires a safe unhook to work but it's so much more useful a lot more often than SM.And my point is that they aren't "too similar". They're for different play styles.
You say Deliverance is more useful than Slippery Meat, but it has activation conditions and consequences. Someone who's not too inclined to pull off a hook rescue or doesn't want to risk the Broken status effect that comes with Deliverance might take Slippery Meat.
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@powerbats said:
That's an over generalization and you know it since most won't abuse anything anymore than most killers won't. There's always going to be that small % on both sides that abuse anything they can.Cough Tinker II, Clown reload cough.
It's not, and you know it. In my experience, Survivor exploits spread and are reported by Killers, whereas Killer exploits are reported by both sides. Both are abused, mind you, but Survivors finding and abusing exploits occurs far more often than Killers doing the same thing. There are exceptions, as with all things.
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@steezo_de said:
The OP never said he never wanted to play against killers that beat him. Harassment is the issue, not winning or losing.And this feature would be (ab)used to avoid Killers who beat you (not you specifically, I mean it in the general sense). It's how these things always go.
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@AshleyWB said:
It's just like deliverance except you are less likely to get off the hook. Making a safe save is quite easy. Slippery meat is more damaging to your team whereas deliverance isn't because you know you are getting off first time.They are just too similar and I think slippery meat is nowhere near as good as deliverance.
Slippery Meat also increases the chance to get out of bear traps, works even if you're the first one to be hooked, and doesn't give you the Broken status effect.
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I think the perk is fine as it is. At tier 3 it grants 3 additional attempts to get off the hook, which result in a 21.7% chance to get off after all six attempts, as opposed to the default 11.5% chance after 3 attempts.
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Like colorblind support, this is an important issue. If nothing else, it will help solve the problem of people killing themselves on the hook because tapping the space bar is boring.
If I may, though, it should be hold to stop. For people with muscle/nerve issues, holding or tapping really doesn't make much of a difference. Holding down a button for a full minute can be just as difficult as tapping it. It should also be a choice. -
@Zarathos said:
This isnt a participation trophy its the equivalent of working on a project. You are entitled to extra marks for extra effort put in, this is standard in academics and business. Survival isnt enough to judge a good survivour. To many weak players escape because their best players took the fall.And who is more likely to survive consistently: the weak players, or the good players?
No ranking system will ever be perfect, but I'd argue that one that takes into account every trial equally is better than the one that tries to compensate for the odd trials where it seems like everything's against you. -
@Zarathos said:
Problem with the the suggested survivour pipping system is it screws the player who plays the martyr. This new system would encourage survivours to not bother doing gens in a losing game and wait on hatch.The metrics for pipping also screws the looper who will often die keeping the killer busy as an average killer will at least get one kill. Even in marths depip squad this would often happen to one of their players. Success in dbd should be warranted on the effort you have made to escape. It not fair to screw the players who got objectives done while the coward waits out hatch.
The survivour need the unbroken category adjusted so merely escaping dosent reward gold. As its very easy to get carried to exit gates by one decent looper. Let survival tie into your other categories. Unbroken should gain points for all the other categories but reduce the base emblem for escaping.
It screws the player who dies, yes. Why should someone who failed to survive be rewarded just because everyone else managed to get out? Effort counts for nothing if you still lose. This isn't kindergarten; participation trophies should not be handed out.
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@Orion said:
This was already present at one point and abused, which is why it was removed.And for those who are going to complain that the Killer can still do it, yeah, there's a reason for that: because Killers don't abuse it as much as Survivors did.
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This was already present at one point and abused, which is why it was removed.
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@Croz said:
Well isn't that the thing for killers now? They just dodge the lobby is they see more than one P3 Claudette let alone steam accounts. lol
I really don't see who is this going to be abused by survivors unless you really know this killers plays a certain way you dislike or else why would you dodge them?
Congrats, you figured it out. Survivors were dodging everything and everyone under the sun. Play a certain Killer? Dodged. Don't allow free unhooks? Dodged. Too experienced? Dodge.
It was breaking queue times and it was breaking lobbies.
Most Survivors will abuse everything they can and shoot themselves in the foot by doing so. This is why many mechanics that they asked for were thrown away - because they themselves were abusing them to the detriment of the game itself. -
Pips should be tied to the actual win conditions for each role.
If you die, you depip (or black pip, depending on the other metrics); if you survive, you pip (or double pip, depending on the other metrics).
For the Killer, you depip if you get 0-1 kills, black pip if you get 2, pip if you get 3, double pip if you get 4.Bonus: When pipping is tied to the purpose of each role, then we can get some proper data.
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How do you think a dodge feature would be abused? Think about it for a second.
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@Countfunkular said:
Okay, I actually do agree with you on this one. He's a lot stronger than people give him credit for.
However, people will always look at killers in these three ways.
1. If it isn't top tiers it's garbage
2. How many builds can you make with it if any at all.
3. Is this at least fun to play if it isn't topped here. Which is rare for people to fall in this category because most would like to end the game with more than one kill- Games should be balanced at the top. The problem with the "not every Killer is meant to be competitive" BS is that you end up with the same Killers at the top (Nurse and Hillbilly at the moment). This results in a rash of disconnects to derank, on both sides. Survivors don't want to face the same Killers over and over again, and Killers would like to be able to play something else from time to time as well.
- Variety staves off boredom.
- Yes, Killers would like to be able to kill. That's the whole point of the role. A Killer who can't kill is only going to be fun for one side, and it's not the Killer. Most people who play Killer don't care about points; they care about the role.
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This used to be possible, but it was heavily abused by Survivors. It's not coming back.
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@Aari_Piggy66 said:
While that will work in the sense of jumpscares scratched mirror Myers comes to mind.The idea of blending into survivors to trick them out is only something that is going to work against solo players, as a swf sqaud can periodically just ping their locations anything that doesn't correspond can assumed to be the Killer.
Well, for this to work, the Killer would also need to move faster than Survivors.
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@MojoTheFabulous said:
I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
You think having no TR, no red stain, and still being able to attack is a weak power?
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This is gonna get me crucified, but I'm hyped because I think the Legion is now better than most people think, and because I hope the devs will change the one thing that can put the Legion at the top - remove the recovery period if he doesn't use Feral Frenzy to hit anyone.
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No.
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@Swiftblade131 said:
Hill Billy? Broken?What even is Nurse?
At least he still has to abide by Pallets, Vaults, and Walls. Unlike Sally up there.
At least she has to abide by eyesight. Unlike Herman up there.
And at least he has to abide by one attack at a time. Unlike Bubba up there.
And at least he has to abide by melee attacks. Unlike Anna up there.
And at least she has to abide by visibility. Unlike Phillip up there.
And at least he is somewhat visible even while cloaked. Unlike Freddy up there.
And at least he has a "terror radius" even though he's invisible. Unlike Amanda up there.And so on. Every Killer has something they excel at. That's what makes them different characters, as opposed to skins.
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@Unicorn said:
"Abusing"? I'm sorry, can you elaborate? How can you abuse a button you can only click once per post? I'm new to forums so I'm not really aware of what happens on here.One or more people were using bots to spam certain people's comments with "LOL" ratings. We're talking hundreds, sometimes thousands over the course of a few hours. Others were just spamming "LOL" on every comment they could find from people they didn't like.
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Basically, people were abusing it, so it got removed.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Really? What kind of logic is that lol
I remember something similar with the Nurse DLC back then, but I don't know anymore how the fix wasI think it's Steam's logic, but don't quote me.
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@redsopine01 said:
Ok I don't know how to do that could a mod remove the picture for me and do you know what it says on English I don't speak frenchYou can just edit your comment.
That guy was essentially mocking you for not being able to hook someone. -
Imagine a Killer perk that allowed them to go to a fully repaired generator and immediately put it at 50% repair status. Now imagine they could do it up to four times, but they could only do it to any generator once. That's Decisive Strike.
DS prolongs chases by 50% and essentially punishes the Killer for catching someone. On bad Survivors it's hardly noticeable, but when the Survivor knows all the loops, it all but guarantees that Survivor will escape.
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You should censor the name. Here's the plain text version:
Meme pas cappable de mettre sur le crochet... Gg quand même -
Crossplay needs Sony and Microsoft's agreement. The former already expressed their dislike of it in other games.
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@powerbats said:
@CrowS said:
@Wahara said:
They say that it will increase lobby times by splitting the player base in half, but that seems to be overstated.Every other competitive game can get away with this. I'm sure dead by daylight will live.
I'm with @Wahara every other competitive gaming community seems to do fine with this, why is it a problem for DBD?
All these other ones you refer to all have MASSIVE player bases to them.
The devs said that ten million people have played the game so far.
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Dedicated servers are coming, which will fix this exploit.
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@The_Crusader said:
And finally he admits he camps.Where did I deny it?
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@Incarnate said:
Fixing that is actually relatively simple.
All that is needed is to restrict the number of accounts per game key, and obviously to make the forum so it technically supports it and has an automated process for approving accounts.Easier still: hold all posts containing Chinese characters for moderation. The bots seem to be the only Chinese visitors we get anyway.
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@Master said:
Ok, whats the compensation on the killers side?Killers get the auras of all Survivors during a chase. It's equivalent and fair.
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@alivebydeadight said:
cannot say, thought he released today due to the launch trailer but canadians are on a different timezone than americansWhat? No they're not. Canada, like the USA, spans multiple timezones, but they do span the same timezones.
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@Master said:
@SenzuDuck said:
I mean, people were making bots to "lol" certain people, it wasn't being used as intended, now you either leave a positive reaction or you just ignore the thread, seems easy enough.If people use bots to "awesome" certani people, will that button get removed too?
In my opinion its a lot better to express disagreement with a simple downvote isntead of leaving some sort of messages around.
I'm pretty sure they already do, but don't quote me.
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@Peanits said:
@MisterCremaster said:
@Peanits said:
We had a few instances where people would run a bot or even just manually use a bunch of alt accounts to spam reactions (almost always LOL) on people they disagree with. I'm talking thousands overnight.
Out of curiosity... what was the issue with this? Was it a server thing, or did someone complain about getting all those LoLs? Because you can only LoL a post once... or were they LoLing on and off? I'm just trying to understand if the concern was for the server or the person.
They would have dozens of alt accounts set up to automatically LOL posts. So some people ended up with thousands of LOLs because of it.
@Dustin said:
@Peanits said:
So we're going to try this out for a while. Hopefully we'll be able to get a tighter reaction system some day, but for now we're going to roll with this and see how it goes. The silver lining is that this might promote some constructive discussions. Rather than just dog-piling on someone you disagree with and flooding them with LOLs, someone's going to have to post why they think it's a bad idea and then everyone can upvote that.
Is there any plans to update other parts of the forum anytime soon or is that out the window. idk about anyone else but I find the notification system kind of annoying because it doesn't take me to oldest new post on a thread if there's a lot of new post. Instead I usually have to manually go back a page because it only shows me the last 3 notifications.
It's all still being worked on. If you've got specific things in mind that you'd like to see changed, I'd suggest dropping them into the Forum Feedback subforum. We check it often.
Who had the highest LOL count? Inquiring minds want to know!
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Idk what kind of survivors u get, mine are more likely depip squad's and would just pump the gens if I would camp someoneI've had a few groups like that, but most just rush the hook no matter what.
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I dunno who has the time, but my LOL count tripled or quadrupled thanks to those bots. Ironically, now that LOLs are gone, I have one of the 16 "500 LOLs" badges that will ever exist. Who's LOLing now?
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I find that camping works more often with SWF.
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@Killigma said:
@grisstyl said:
@Killigma said:
Camping and tunnelling are supported play styles by the devs so good luck with that.
Saying that, we do need dedicated servers, if Death Garden can get them, why not DBD since it actually has a larger player base.I didn't realize DBD had some many network programmers. In all seriousness, it's a huge undertaking for a game built around P2P whereas Deathgarden was built around dedicated servers from the start. It would surely introduce a whole new plethora of bugs and we wouldn't get any new content for a while which would lead to the people complaining now about servers would be complaining about the bugs.
If you read above, I stated the issue would be budget and resources. My initial point was if they made death garden around servers, I wonder why they did not initially with DBD.
Because nobody expected DbD to be a big success. The publisher gave them a relatively small budget and time constraints, so they had to make do with what they had. Dedicated servers would've been too costly.
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@PiiFree said:
@Orion said:
@PiiFree said:
Totally out of context but what the hell is wrong with this forums "quote system"? How can anyone keep track of that?!Back to topic and as a matter of fact: Only bad / unskilled survivors are affected by ruin.
Some people don't put @ at the start of the quote (where it says "@Soandso said:"), so when someone quotes that person, it breaks everything else.
But it does that automatically when you hit "quote"....
I don't think it does on mobile, for whatever reason.