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@PiiFree said:
Totally out of context but what the hell is wrong with this forums "quote system"? How can anyone keep track of that?!Back to topic and as a matter of fact: Only bad / unskilled survivors are affected by ruin.
Some people don't put @ at the start of the quote (where it says "@Soandso said:"), so when someone quotes that person, it breaks everything else.
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@powerbats said:
Gee it's almost as if all Doctor players didn't choose Gideons and his ultra rare and very rare addons all the time anyways. I mean good grief talk about histrionics it's not like he doesn't have madness illusion addons or anything like that.You'd think that most Doctors don't run Distressing, UP etc and don't pay attention to people screaming, or the big illusion saying oh they're over here.
I assume UP=Unnerving Presence?
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@Vietfox said:
I don't even like his appearance, i'll only use him for the daily and stick with my Feng
That's racist and sexist.
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@Killigma said:
After the whole Freddy nerf, I never buy a Killer on release.That's the smart move. Always wait for the first nerf wave.
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@Lithuanian said:
FeelsbadI said "probably". I don't know for sure, but that's how I would do it, to prevent people from half the world away lagging in someone else's game.
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Well, yeah, that's the point. It will even improve the game's longevity, since P2P doesn't require maintenance.
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Probably automatic based on ping.
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@Mc_Harty said:
@go1gotha said:
For me, this is in all respects better than P2P (if this is done well, I hope that BHVR will succeed in this). Well, I can only sympathize with the Australians, if this happens, it is possible that it is better not to play the game at all than to “enjoy the charms” of the P2P system.I would much rather working servers then to not play at all.
Here's hoping the devs remember us Aussies.
If I were the devs, I'd aim for a hybrid system: P2P for KYF and dedicated servers for normal gameplay.
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@The_Crusader said:
I said I offered the challenge of a standoff with killers who camped.And thats because in those 2 specific circumstances, I had time to find the hatch because they were too busy camping a hook on the other end of the map.
With killers who go out hunting it's a different story.
Same difference. Whoever finds the hatch first will depend on where it spawned and where each player is when it opens. Neither side is guaranteed to find it before the other.
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@go1gotha said:
@Orion said:
@go1gotha said:
Yes, because it is much better to rely on a "host - killer", that this time you will be lucky and he will not lag switch and everything will be fine with his Internet. And also jump 10 times from the lobby to the lobby to find a normal ping. What desire and mood to win for the survivor can be discussed under such circumstances?
I play several games with dedicated servers, lags almost never happen, it all depends on how the developers do their job + I have adequate matchmaking and stable good ping. Of course, BHVR can do its job badly and things will get worse, but I hope for the best.Dedicated servers don't guarantee good ping. They're servers; not magic.
Wow, this is a surprise. Who would have thought...?
I'm talking about my own experience, because I live in an appropriate place. Even if I lived somewhere far from the central parts of the world and had a ping of 150-200, it is still better than P2P in my opinion.You can cut the snark. The majority of people pushing for dedicated servers act like they're some magic pill that's gonna fix everything.
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@The_Crusader said:
If neither know the killer has a much, much higher chance of finding it first for the reasons listed above - higher movement speed and no need to stealth.No, because it depends on each player's location relative to the hatch, which is largely random.
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@go1gotha said:
Yes, because it is much better to rely on a "host - killer", that this time you will be lucky and he will not lag switch and everything will be fine with his Internet. And also jump 10 times from the lobby to the lobby to find a normal ping. What desire and mood to win for the survivor can be discussed under such circumstances?
I play several games with dedicated servers, lags almost never happen, it all depends on how the developers do their job + I have adequate matchmaking and stable good ping. Of course, BHVR can do its job badly and things will get worse, but I hope for the best.Dedicated servers don't guarantee good ping. They're servers; not magic.
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@The_Crusader said:
But more often than not the killer gets there first.Especially if the hatch doesn't spawn until there's only 1 survivor left.
In your experience, maybe. In my experience, the outcome is equally divided between either of us knowing where the hatch is and neither of us knowing where the hatch is.
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@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
@PigNRun said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
@Attackfrog said:
As a killer, if survivors can't blame me for their ping/latency anymore, does this mean survivors and killers will finally get along!?For most it'll improve things, while for some others it'll make things bit a worse and the ones that're going to hate it the most are the lag switchers, the hackers etc.
I wonder what the people who blame the Killer for their own crappy connection will say now...
"Killers are DDoSing the servers! Thats why I died!"
Sounds about right.
I'm sure that'll be both sides doing it because both sides have people that can't admit their potato skills are just that potato skills.
Only one side has had to deal with being the host, just saying.
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@The_Crusader said:
But then it'd an automatic win for killers.Killers move around at 115% movement speed and can search freely for the hatch.
Survivors move at 100% speed if runninf, but mostly have to walk/crouch around trying to find the hatch while also hiding from the killer.
The killer could easily find the hatch first and then it's over for the survivor. Or the survivor would just have to wait far away while the killer camps the hatch which just leads to a long range standoff.
If you blocked the hatch upon a hit there would be no point in having a hatch.
Alternatively, the Survivor knows where the hatch is (because maps exist) and gets there before the Killer.
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@The_Crusader said:
Yeah well at the moment you get reset to green ranks everytime. It's unplayable because new players go down every 10 seconds. Not even exagerrating.So at the moment the game feels like a chore - where you NEED to put the hours in to rank up just to have a more enjoyable experience. But you gotta suffer a lot of crappy games to do that.
If they had no rank then all it would take would be one very bad survivor to cost your team the game.
If the problem is that ranking up is too easy (and thus rank doesn't reflect skill), essentially getting rid of rank won't solve anything. Rank resets still need to happen because of newbies.
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@The_Crusader said:
Now just remove rank reset so solo is playable.Then everyone will just slowly rank up, making rank useless and breaking the matchmaker for newcomers. Might as well get rid of rank altogether.
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@PiiFree said:
As long as there are no region barrieres, it shouldn't be a problem.That will create laggy trials.
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@Tsulan said:
Yep, Australia is already trembling.
People might not be able to play with their friends, because they life in a different country.They could keep P2P for KYF, but no dedicated servers are going to change the laws of physics.
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I will say this: it will finally stop "MOM, PULL THE PLUG!" types, and that's a good thing.
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@Tsulan said:
Yep, can't play during the server maintenance. Or when they get the occasional server downs.
It might even require monthly fees...
Since behavior isn't ubisoft.People in regions without servers get shafted as well, as per usual.
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@Delfador said:
@Orion said:
@Delfador said:
As a killer you know, you need to do something to earn the down right?
Go into frenzy and get a free hit, then get a down because the survivor couldn't find anybody. Balanced for sure.
I am not gonna even talk about what will happen if both survivors need mending. At this current state, one of them will get downed no matter what.
I kinda understand why they don't listen to community now.You'd have enough time to Mend if you started shortly after the Legion hit you with Feral Frenzy. Just saying.
He says it should stop if another survivor is mending you.
There is no way you can find a survivor shortly after the legion hit you with frenzyHow much time does Mend take?
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@aracno666 said:
@Arsoul said:
And when it comes to players in Australia and New Zealand...well, we're all screwed as the servers will be US and EU based and our Ping will skyrocket like 90% of the games out there.I am from Brazil and I do have the same concern. Probably this is going to kill the game for good - if dedicated servers over here are not provided. But the problem will also be demand for it, if they see that there is not enough players to keep it active, well, bummer, no way to play at all. I hope for those cases, Killer hosted games might still be a possibility.
Most of the players are from EU, NA, and Asia. I do hope the devs put servers on all continents, but don't pretend that not having servers in SA and AU is going to kill the game.
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@Tsulan said:
I don't like to play devil's advocate. But why does everyone think that dedicated servers will solve all the problems this game has? It might improve on some things but probably brings more problems on other things.
Region lock might come back.
Long queues because the closest servers are already full.
Killers might still lag, but affect survivors in a different way.Fortnite players wanted dedicated servers, and regretted it after they got it.
Why do you think this will be any better?Oh, it definitely won't solve all the problems (or even most of the problems), but some people just don't seem to understand that dedicated servers have downsides as well.
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@Delfador said:
As a killer you know, you need to do something to earn the down right?
Go into frenzy and get a free hit, then get a down because the survivor couldn't find anybody. Balanced for sure.
I am not gonna even talk about what will happen if both survivors need mending. At this current state, one of them will get downed no matter what.
I kinda understand why they don't listen to community now.You'd have enough time to Mend if you started shortly after the Legion hit you with Feral Frenzy. Just saying.
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@Wolf74 said:
@PiiFree said:
I'm not so sure about this whole "new BT = Tunnel/Camp" mindset. Deep Wound seems to be the ultimate anti-tunnel status effect. If someone gets unhooked with the BT buff, you need to hit them twice, just like anyone else. Before that buff, you could just chase them while they bleed out.Instead of finding a way to deal with it, I'd just try to avoid it by not even allowing them to trigger it. Many Killers can proximitiy camp outside of BT radius and then quickly head back to the hook to land a hit: Spirit, Nurse, Billy, Hag and Huntress for example. With Freddy, Wraith and Pig you can completly ignore BT because you won't have a terror radius.
Doctor, Leatherface, Myers and Clown are probably the most affected by the new BT, which is kinda sad. Those Killers didn't really deserve indirect nerfs but ehh... I doubt that the devs thought this through.
The most simple tactic to keep BT from getting trigger is even simpler: hard camping.
I the victim does not get unhooked = no invu frames, no free exhaustion relief, no risk of BT.Unfortunate, but true.
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@PigNRun said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
@Attackfrog said:
As a killer, if survivors can't blame me for their ping/latency anymore, does this mean survivors and killers will finally get along!?For most it'll improve things, while for some others it'll make things bit a worse and the ones that're going to hate it the most are the lag switchers, the hackers etc.
I wonder what the people who blame the Killer for their own crappy connection will say now...
"Killers are DDoSing the servers! Thats why I died!"
Sounds about right.
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@milo77727 said:
I could name only 1 survivor I know out of at least 50 who does that for the only reason of being a troll that purposefully kills their teammates.
Any other time I see it is when no one finds it. No one can complain if they didnt break the totem when they saw one. That's just a stupid player.Oh, they can. Believe me, they can.
PS: I don't do it, but that's because I use another NOED counter called "Dark Sense". Killer goes to one door, I hide nearby, wait for him to go check the other one, I open it, and then I leave. -
@powerbats said:
@Attackfrog said:
As a killer, if survivors can't blame me for their ping/latency anymore, does this mean survivors and killers will finally get along!?For most it'll improve things, while for some others it'll make things bit a worse and the ones that're going to hate it the most are the lag switchers, the hackers etc.
I wonder what the people who blame the Killer for their own crappy connection will say now...
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@milo77727 said:
Only problem I see with this is that Haunted Ground would become useless.
Once a survivors finds a totem whether lit or not they usually cleanse it either for points or the chance of no ed.Are we talking about the same Survivors here? In my experience, they leave totems unbroken and then complain about NOED.
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@Raccoon said:
@Raccoon said:
@The_Crusader said:
Raccoon said:@The_Crusader said:
only1biggs said:
I love how those that camp always give a justification for it. "This perk means I should camp harder", or "this mechanic means I should tunnel more". Just because you can be an [BAD WORD] it doesn't mean you should. How about you all just be honest and say you camp and/or tunnel because you just want to. Lol it's the same people everytime. They're always complaining killer is too hard too.
I'm sure there's a link between them saying you need to camp/tunnel to win and them saying that killer is impossible to win.
Yeah. I was especially distraught regarding the difficulty of killer when I made a previous topic (locked, obviously), demonstrating that you can just camp your way through all the ranks as Leatherface, stress free.
Nice try at putting words in someone else's mouth, though, sir/madam.
I've also noticed that someone has changed a particularly toxic comment on their profile after getting called out for it. Red Hill Zone evaded, Sanic.
Not sure what you're talking about there but I do find it amusing how it's often the people with Freddy avatars who defend tunneling
Sorry about the confusion.
I was referring to a comment on @only1biggs changed on their profile.
However, after clicking on your profile, I saw him really disparage @Orion and @Wolf74
Wow.
I obviously reported this toxic vitriol.
Good move on deleting it.
That was sick.
I'm used to it. Some people are just like that.
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Crossplay needs approval from both Microsoft and Sony, and the latter has already expressed their dislike of it...
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@Orion said:
I'm guessing they're gonna reveal the game is slowly going to make the move toward dedicated servers. (No, not really)Hey, whaddya know?
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@Khalednazari said:
Complaining about people who complain. You're no different.Complaining about people who complain about people who complain.
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@se05239 said:
I do not think people should keep quiet, though. If people dislike something, or like something, they should mention it.^This. Feedback is important.
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I'm guessing they're gonna reveal the game is slowly going to make the move toward dedicated servers. (No, not really)
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And they did.
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I knew you guys would rework Deep Wound! Thank you!
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@Weederick said:
@Orion said:
@Weederick said:
Is this actually a discussion or just Orion telling everyone they're wrong?
Imo its a crutch, just like DS, Noed and Sprintburst.Plenty of people in this thread, I don't know why you're singling me out.
Because you respond to everyone and tell them they're wrong for the reasons you mentioned. But your reasons are not true, they're your opinion. Selfcare and Nurses calling are strong, but balanced perks. Believe in the truth of the mob. Arguments differ, especially extremes like your killerbiased ones. The truth is often the middle ground. Lots of people complain about DS, Noed, Ruin, so its probably true that they're crutches.
Note how I said "on release", and explained why. And yeah, I'm so "killerbiased" that I was the first person to suggest a nerf to A Nurse's Calling, which resulted in what you now call the balanced version.
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@ScottJund said:
@Orion said:
@ScottJund said:
Then you could make the same argument that "Ruin stops survivors from taking advantage of gen rushing." I don't even think Ruin is overpowered, I'm just showing your argument isn't very strong.Gen rushing is a symptom of a bigger problem (lack of objectives). Ruin is just a band-aid solution. Neither has anything to do with what I said.
Gen rushing is the killer's lack of doing anything to threaten survivors who are completing their objective. The only issue is the first hook. As soon as there is a single hook, there are now other objectives for the survivors. Ruin helps with that first part.
Go look up the depip squad's experiment. Gen rushing has little to do with what the Killer does.
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@fedup said:
funny, you can do everything right and get rekt by bbq, but its not broken for you.
btw i have been pointed out thet there are millions of counters, not the counters explicit. hiding behind gens for bbq? that means prediction of the perk and time waste, and having a gen near. it means no sneaking to unhook or being around or hiding to get hatchIf you get rekt by BBQ, you did something wrong. Counters are supposed to take up resources; don't expect free hand-outs every time.
Some counters:- Hide behind a generator.
- Hide inside the radius where it doesn't work.
- Juke the Killer by going in one direction and then turning around after the aura reading has passed.
- Hide in a locker (coming soon).
- Use Distortion (coming soon).
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@ScottJund said:
Then you could make the same argument that "Ruin stops survivors from taking advantage of gen rushing." I don't even think Ruin is overpowered, I'm just showing your argument isn't very strong.Gen rushing is a symptom of a bigger problem (lack of objectives). Ruin is just a band-aid solution. Neither has anything to do with what I said.
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@fedup said:
what are those "plenty of counters" lets see if they dont put you in worst situations or make you waste resources and time
Yes, hard counters take up resources and time. Do you believe they should come freely? The counters have already been pointed out to you several times.
@ScottJund said:
@Orion said:
@ScottJund said:
I'm curious, do you think anything in the game is overpowered on either side?On the Killer side there used to be some overpowered perks for which I supported nerfs, such as A Nurse's Calling. I can't speak of add-ons because I rarely use them.
On the Survivor side, I'd say Self-Care and Decisive Strike.
Infinite, self-sustaining heals are not good for the game's balance when getting hit has no long-term consequences. You can get hit as many times as you want, but it won't make any difference in the long run.
Decisive Strike is too easy to use and essentially punishes the Killer for catching a Survivor. It's also a force multiplier (almost useless on bad Survivors, but overwhelmingly powerful on good ones).Just seems kind of hypocritical when you said:
@Orion said:
Broken means it's overwhelmingly powerful and nearly impossible to beat. Hex perks don't fall under that category because they can literally be destroyed.Yet you call a perk like A Nurse's Calling overpowered which means you think its "nearly impossible" to just...not heal in a terror radius. You think Self-Care is overpowered, ignoring the literal half-a-generator it takes to self-care yourself. You think Decisive Strike is overpowered, ignoring how much Enduring weakens it, or how they can just be slugged, or how they can be dribbled, etc.
A Nurse's Calling, back when it was released, had a trigger radius that was identical to the terror radius. That meant that Killers could leave an area, wait for the Survivor to start healing, come back, and get an aura reading, even though the Survivor did everything right by waiting until they were out of the TR to start healing.
I suggested a nerf to this perk (as far as I know, I was the first person to suggest it) because it seemed unfair that a Survivor could do everything right and still get shafted by a perk they'd just countered.I think Self-Care and Decisive Strike are overpowered for the reasons I laid out. Regardless of the time or soft counters, they are fundamentally broken or otherwise take advantage of what I believe to be broken aspects of the game.
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@Weederick said:
Is this actually a discussion or just Orion telling everyone they're wrong?
Imo its a crutch, just like DS, Noed and Sprintburst.Plenty of people in this thread, I don't know why you're singling me out.
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@fedup said:
well lets say bbq and ruin are the best perks in the game if you dont like the word broken, but some people use it as the same termAnd both still have plenty of counters. Why don't you just use them, if they cause you so much trouble?
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@alivebydeadight said:
well if they grow brighter the hex would become less stealthy, and we dont want that happening to hex:devour hope or ruin, the hex perks are brightish but if they become brighter every minute (through some experimenting some matches last 16 minutes) and I know he/she stated only minutes 1,2, and 3 and they are an increase of 10%, after the 15 or 14 minutes, or after most of the time when all or just 1 gen are done or remaining, good map pressure will help with the 1 gen remaining part, but the effects of this will not just wound, but ruin (no pun intended) the use of hex perks, and most of the time they are destroyed within a few seconds of the match starting, and we already know that the hill hex location only helped hide it from 2 sides
Dude, read the OP again. They start out looking like dull totems and progressively get brighter until they reach the current brightness.
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@fedup said:
"im just going to fervorously defend things and put them on my avatar cause i never use them" its not a court point but its not needed, my god, we are not #########I'm not saying you are, but apparently you do believe you're psychic, since you believe you know what I do better than me.
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@fedup said:
why am i gonna choose my favourite killer when i can select this character i never use? outstandingI used to play her, but it seemed like every time I played her I got Coldwind Farm, so I stopped. I still admire how she's the one Killer that puts the fear of the Entity into the Survivors' hearts.
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@ScottJund said:
I'm curious, do you think anything in the game is overpowered on either side?On the Killer side there used to be some overpowered perks for which I supported nerfs, such as A Nurse's Calling. I can't speak of add-ons because I rarely use them.
On the Survivor side, I'd say Self-Care and Decisive Strike.
Infinite, self-sustaining heals are not good for the game's balance when getting hit has no long-term consequences. You can get hit as many times as you want, but it won't make any difference in the long run.
Decisive Strike is too easy to use and essentially punishes the Killer for catching a Survivor. It's also a force multiplier (almost useless on bad Survivors, but overwhelmingly powerful on good ones).