Laakeri
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@NoxiousOnnyyxx said:
Laakeri said:I only play killer during mid day hours in work days to avoid the toxicity the SWF brings. Yet yesterday and today every single game has been 3 or 4 man SWF with 1x OoO and everyone using DS and insta meds.
######### is going on?
They are playing the game as intended....
Yeah, I started running Insta saw Billy and Spirit with Anal Beads while topping it off with Moris. Just as the game was intended.
Not sure why random well mannered survivors that I came across were salty in post game lobby for me using addons and offerings that game lets me.
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As survivor: I fear my team mates more than killer
As Killer: None of the survivors have items, they didnt burn toxic offerings and none of them have DS. That usually means they are good enough to handle themselfs and I'm going to have hard game ahead of me.
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If killer is bad always expect NOED. If killer is good just cleanse the well hidden dull totems you come across so if NOED pops it has higher % to spawn on totems that are easily found.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@MhhBurgers said:
That's nice dear. I too take interest in topics for perks I never use with extra salt in my responses.
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I take an interest in Dbd as a whole. I don't have to use certain perks or characters to have an opinion on them, especially when you know exactly how they work. Not to mention I have encountered DS many times as killer.
But keep digging that hole....dear.
This is exactly why people dont take you seriously. You say you know exactly how DS work yet keep claiming that it has counters.
Make up your mind.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Laakeri said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@MhhBurgers said:
It's cool for you but "competitive" DBDplayers are a joke in the gaming world and you know that full well.You cannot be competitive if your game doesn't even feature a competitive mode. (Yeah it's called ranked with ranks but since it's the only mode available the point is moot)
Your rank isn't a competition. You don't get anything for your rank. No achievements, no bloodpoints......nothing. Competitive players in any game are usually a joke because they act like you are. They take it too seriously.
But you're also insulting players simply for using strong load outs which are perfectly legit and within the bounds of the game. The only reason you're doing this is because its a survivor based topic and you are clearly killer biased. I've yet to see you chastise in a killer based topic for doing the same thing.
I've spoken against ######### like Ivory Moris and Hatchet instadown belts, thing is there's currently not much broken in a killer's loadout. In my opinion perks should be perks, not basically new skills. Most perks that killers use are very situational at best, the only thing I can consider cheese is the enduring, SF and bamboobzle combo that takes away any mindgame.
If you'd put a killer without perks vs 4 survivors without perks the powerdifference would shrink by alot.
What are you talking about? Perks should be perks and not new skills? So should perks like overcharge and pop goes the weasel should be removed because they allow killers to do things to gens they cannot usually do? BBQ and chili, spies from the shadows, rancor, discordance, surveillance, enduring, knock out, franklins demise, NOED.....I could go on forever. They all give killers abilities or "skills" that they don't usually have.
As for the situational argument, so are most survivor ones. They only get to use most of them in certain situations. Killers have perks that can be used against them or make them tougher to use. For example self care can be made more difficult with nurses calling, sloppy butcher, coulrophobia etc. Even the hated DS is situational, a one off use, not even a guarantee you can hit it, and can be countered.
Even the Devs have acknowledged that the current DS has no counters, hence why its getting changed. Nice one tho.
Yeah they have "acknowledged" this after two and a half years of leaving it the way it is. Clearly this was an urgent issue to them. The only reason this is getting changed is to appease the killer complaints. Nothing more. If there's an onslaught of survivor complaints about the new DS when it comes out, how long before it gets another rework do you think.
Of course there is counters to DS. Dribble to the hook. Or use enduring. They are tried and true counters that can and do work. Overwhelming presence is a good one, too. Makes the skill check so small its almost impossible to hit it.
I think you are confusing the words "counter" and "mitigation". Things you described are mitigations, not counters.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@MhhBurgers said:
It's cool for you but "competitive" DBDplayers are a joke in the gaming world and you know that full well.You cannot be competitive if your game doesn't even feature a competitive mode. (Yeah it's called ranked with ranks but since it's the only mode available the point is moot)
Your rank isn't a competition. You don't get anything for your rank. No achievements, no bloodpoints......nothing. Competitive players in any game are usually a joke because they act like you are. They take it too seriously.
But you're also insulting players simply for using strong load outs which are perfectly legit and within the bounds of the game. The only reason you're doing this is because its a survivor based topic and you are clearly killer biased. I've yet to see you chastise in a killer based topic for doing the same thing.
I've spoken against ######### like Ivory Moris and Hatchet instadown belts, thing is there's currently not much broken in a killer's loadout. In my opinion perks should be perks, not basically new skills. Most perks that killers use are very situational at best, the only thing I can consider cheese is the enduring, SF and bamboobzle combo that takes away any mindgame.
If you'd put a killer without perks vs 4 survivors without perks the powerdifference would shrink by alot.
What are you talking about? Perks should be perks and not new skills? So should perks like overcharge and pop goes the weasel should be removed because they allow killers to do things to gens they cannot usually do? BBQ and chili, spies from the shadows, rancor, discordance, surveillance, enduring, knock out, franklins demise, NOED.....I could go on forever. They all give killers abilities or "skills" that they don't usually have.
As for the situational argument, so are most survivor ones. They only get to use most of them in certain situations. Killers have perks that can be used against them or make them tougher to use. For example self care can be made more difficult with nurses calling, sloppy butcher, coulrophobia etc. Even the hated DS is situational, a one off use, not even a guarantee you can hit it, and can be countered.
Even the Devs have acknowledged that the current DS has no counters, hence why its getting changed. Nice one tho.
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@Raccoon said:
DS is going to be a staple now, much like Self-Care.I'd imagine it will have a similar pick rate.
I like the upcoming DS change. It's like current BT and I rarely see it going off as I dont tunnel.
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@MPGamer18 said:
BHVR is doing everything they can to balance the game. Yet they ignore the one facet of this game that no amount of perk balancing can correct ... SWF. It needs to be it's own mode. Separate it into Duo's and Quads and be done with it.I was looking forward for them to give all survivors Kindred and then start balancing the game based on that every game has SWF. Not sure what happened to that lol.
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@twistedmonkey said:
I still fail to see why using things in game which are allowed is classed as toxic, if it's within the rules is just using the loadouts or strats they deem the strongest nothing more.Toxicity can only happen in the end game chat, anything else is just playing the game and having fun, it may be at someone else's expense but thats life.
Unfortunately both sides fall foul to this, you just have to read these forums to see each side uses strats the other screams is not fair, it's a strange gaming community mentality where if someone plays to win using what they are allowed too they are considered toxic.
5blink Nurse with Mori and 4man SWF with all the goodies both exist in the game.
Its just I dont want to take any part in those extreme cases and so far playing during these hours have worked for me so I'm bit upset and sad that this has been happening 2 days in a row. -
@Master said:
@Laakeri said:
I only play killer during mid day hours in work days to avoid the toxicity the SWF brings. Yet yesterday and today every single game has been 3 or 4 man SWF with 1x OoO and everyone using DS and insta meds.######### is going on?
Take a break until the DS rework happens, trust me
Yeah might be a good idea. Just makes me sad that these hours used to be good to play killer without sweating and avoid the evening and weekend toxicity.
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@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Laakeri said:@laKUKA said:
Because the game is a trash for solo survirvor.
So game is trash for solo survivors is why everyone is going full on toxic SWF?
I havnt had issues playing solo survivor without crutches for 2 years.
Which doesn't mean that you will have issues in the future. Some load vocals don't give a ######### about solos, they just want to nerf survivors so they can beat swf groups. Automatically solos will be at the worst spot once this point is reached in case nothing gets done to buff solo to close the gap.
And don't get me started about the bad ranking system with potatoe mates. I personally can understand why people went from solo to swf, I'm sometimes tempted to do the same if I get horrible bad mates or toxic killers. But so far I can still deal with it so I either continue solo or play killer
I see nothing wrong with playing with 1 friend and having a good time playing.
I'm just not used to see these toxic 4 man SWF's during these hours in work days. I avoid playing killer during evenings and weekends for this sole reason.
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@laKUKA said:
Because the game is a trash for solo survirvor.So game is trash for solo survivors is why everyone is going full on toxic SWF?
I havnt had issues playing solo survivor without crutches for 2 years. -
Every game is 3-4 DS. I even equipped Enduring on Hag and Spirit after the announcement as its really bad out there.
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I perform best with Pig even tho she is mid tier killer. I highly believe reason for me doing well with her is due how rarely survivors meet Pigs that crouch / fake crouch and moondash in mid sized loops.
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Thats why hatch needs to give 0 points. I want team mates not hatch campers!
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I adjust my addons to meet survivor items. Usually I get called tryhard nolife when I use anal beads as Spirit vs +3 items and I ask them should I have been perkless Freddy then.
But Im in same bus with op. I dont need items or offerings when playing survivor as game is already easy enough without them. -
Its weekend so every lobby is 4man swf or full random.
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Hatch escape should give 0 points as band aid fix to encourage more team play.
I hate to see people that do fk all but wait for 2 gens to get finished and then hide until everyone is dead and escape with 5k+7k points. -
I still feel flashlights are the best killer can hope for survivors to have. You injure one and all the flashlight fkboys swarm like bees for the flashlight save instead of doing gens.
Give me lobby with 4 flashlights instead of 1 toolbox any time.
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All my "M1 killers" have the holy trinity of Enduring, Spirit Fury and BBQ.
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I'm all for more fun gaming experience for both sides so this is great! But the Obsession switcheroo and all seems like a freaking hassle and I somehow feel this has been keeping us from getting the DS rework for 1 year. Maybe unnecessary hassles like this keeps us getting maps getting reworked?
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Coldwind tiles are insult to players who are half decent as there is 0 mindgames in see through walls. Boring for both sides.
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SB is nice and simple. 99ing the SB is pretty important so you can keep running around instead of always walking.
DH is very situational and sometimes can land you extra loop or 2 and even save your life vs Spirit or Nurse.
Personally only killers I have hard time against are Spirit and Nurse so DH is obvious choice for me. -
Hire first game dev.
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As long as devs allow the abysmal dc rate I will take advantage of that by leaving vs Legions.
Fight me.
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Shh dont tell them. I like my easy totem cleansing when killers run straight to them.
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I think hex becoming lit 30 seconds after match starts sounds fair for both sides.
Most of the suggestions would make thrill + hex combo pretty damm annoying to play against. -
I personally hate slugging and hate to be slugged.
Only cases I personally find myself slugging is last standing survivor is my 4th BBQ stack or I dont want toxic survivor escaping so its "personal" issue.
All in all if you ask me hatch should give 0 points to encourage all the crab people to contribute towards winning as a team instead of "ignore all, do 2 gens and hatch escape with 12k points" -
I just want the 3v1 be over with as fast as possible.
If its 5 gens left when playing survivor I dc or kms on hook. -
Bond has been my crutch perk for quite long time. It provides so much information and makes you really efficent.
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I only use Adrenaline when I duo with my friend. But when getting teamed with Urban Evaders you know all 5 gens dont get completed in most games so its waste of perk slot almost every game when playing solo.
On rest I agree. Im Bond gamer and sometimes I wonder how some of my team mates even manage to tie their shoe laces. -
Hag and Huntess are viable without addons, but on rest I agree.
On side note Im glad I can finally play Pig without addons after the recent change to base crouch speed. -
BBQ, Whispers, Nurses and Shadowborn
You could use Ruin instead of Shadowborn, but you learn to pressure much faster as Ruin wont be carrying you vs average survivors who cant hit great skill checks.
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Neither pip or escape is relevant to me.. All I want is good and fair chases. Same goes when playing survivor or killer. I dont want any Balanced Landing cheesing on main building or killer BL3'ing me on medium sized loop just to catch me.
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It's not just toxic survivors that leave vs Legion. I consider myself well mannered survivor (no ds etc. bs) and I also leave vs legion? Why? Its freaking boring when there is 0 outplay and I will just die while killer has 0 skill.
I rather play vs pro 2 blink Nurse than Legion.
ScottJund even made a video about the Legion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqzBaPOnwtQTL:DW 0 Skill involved for neither side should never be baseline in game like DbD.
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On Billy and Nurse its training wheels perk. Kinda like using DS.
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Simple math of people who think DS is fair and balanced:
Lets say it takes 20 seconds to catch somebody after they used DS and all survivors have it.
1x DS = total of 60 seconds for other 3 survivors to work on gens
60 seconds = 3/4th of a generator
3/4th of a generator x 4 = 3 generators completed after every DS is usedI used DS once as I didnt have decent perk after prestiging and it was similar situation, walmart DS vs Huntress that lost all of her pressure cuz she didnt get more hatchets before picking me up. Switched to Small Game 1 or something after that as I felt so disgusted of what just happened.
Off Topic: Everyone that has more than 10 hours in this game know Tru3 is not as good as his popularity makes him seem to.
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They are the same people that tunnel the trapped person as Pig.
200 IQ. -
70. 1 programmer, 1 community manager, 1 support and rest are artists to make new skins.
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I was hoping to see some constructive criticism from op, but he is just another one of those.
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When this happens to me I just kms on hook and leave them do their crab things.JanTheMan said:Right? I'm sick of being hooked and seeing my three teammates urban evasion'ing around, not doing crap... -
I dont have any particular build, but when 4 man CWF with items join into my lobby I just slap Anal Beads on Spirit and game is over pretty fast due how broken that addon is.
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Claudette with Blendette skin.
It throws killers off when I can actually run tiles instead of running like headless chicken and going down in 10 seconds. -
Solo: IW, Bond, DH and SC
DUO: Adrenaline, Bond, DH and SC.
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I would be happy even for 1/10th of the cost.
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@Peasant said:
@Laakeri said:
Considering all maps / realms beside Mac Millans and Autohavens are hot garbage I wouldnt mind them actually focusing on maps.Who in their right mind made had no fun field where 99% killers insta leave or thought transparent walls are fine and by that leaving no potential for any mind games.
I will have you know that Rotten fields is an excellent meme map. For any Hillbilly main, the ability to spend the entire trial chainsaw sprinting in a massive circle is a great way to reduce stress and have a blast. Rotten fields should be protected!
Corn maps are okayish for Billys mobility, but still boring in any tile wth pallet as there is 0 outplay potential.
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Considering all maps / realms beside Mac Millans and Autohavens are hot garbage I wouldnt mind them actually focusing on maps.
Who in their right mind made had no fun field where 99% killers insta leave or thought transparent walls are fine and by that leaving no potential for any mind games.
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I feel you. I have been Bond gamer for quite long time now and the horror I get to witness every single round makes me question how they manage to get out of r20.
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I love to play as and against a Spirit. Im still running IW as survivor just to play against Spirits as I suck vs her
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Whenever I see my team mate running Coal Tower for example with Balanced Landing its a shame that I had to go "afk" next to the window.