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@Poweas said:
I don't. The zone where Nurse can't blink comes to mind. Also you got a point with the flaw in the mechanic.
My apologies then, i assumed you knew since you recommended Agitation.
My deadzone term refers to where a part of the map doesn't have hooks nearby (anymore) to hook a Survivor who's dying over there.
While certain maps currently certainly have either a lot of hooks or weird zones where there's 2 next to eachother, with the video and explanation they showed, i fear such zones will be much easier to create.
And while the Killer creating those zones by themself isn't such a big deal, my fear is that it'll be abused by Survivors greatly, which wouldn't be new.
Not to mention the boring-as-hell bleedout wait times, because both sides can't do anything anymore.For example, you've sacrificed one in the corner of the map and another on the closest one after that, because all other hooks are too far away.
Now those hooks are gone and becomes a deadzone.
Strategic play won't come into play when Survivors start learning to check hook placements and learn of potential deadzones on each map.
Y'know: "Ahh, the Killer sacrificed over there. If others go over there too, it'll be a deadzone in no time."
Or the one being chased: "I got no more tricks, might as well run over here and create a deadzone for my friends."
While this was a strategy before, mmany if not all never did it cause it would cost too many sacrifices and usually resulted in enough hooks being nearby anyway.
But this fair distribution coming up seems, to me, that it'll encourage B-lining it to edges and/or corners of the map and take over that part of the map after a sacrifice.Running Agitation, IF this is the case (I really hope not), to counter a deadzone, would fix a flaw, not a challenge.
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@HellDescent said:
@Boss said:
@HellDescent said:
There are plenty on the outskirts of blackwater swamp alreadyOkay good.
I meant deadzones
Okay crap.
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@Peanits said:
Boss said:@Peanits said:
It should, in theory, reduce dead zones and more evenly distribute hooks. It'll ensure a minimum distance between the hooks and only break that rule when there are no valid positions and the minimum hook requirement has not been met (in which case two may spawn close together). That'll also mean that the hooks won't spawn on one side of the map, leaving the other side with only one or two hooks.
It is actually on the PTB right now, so you can try it for yourself if you like.
That sounds great up until the point that you've sacrificed 2 people on 1 side of the map because they would otherwise be unhookable.
From what you said, i see that it'll reduce deadzones on creation, but with the usage on 1 or 2 hooks could still easily break some maps then.
This may not be the popular opinion, but I'm okay with that. I'm always careful when I hook people and make sure that I'm not creating a deadzone for myself if they were to be sacrificed there. You should still be able to get to a slightly further away hook to prevent that from happening. I like the little things like that. Playing killer is pretty straightforward, but there's little things you can strategize around to do better. Managing hooks should be one of those skills, and I feel like carelessly using hooks should be punishing the same way leaving the last three hooks on the same side of the map should be punishing for the survivors.
I'm fine with strategies to make hooking an easier thing to do. (Although it does mean Survivors have a some form of a huge safe zone at that rate, which i recall wasn't a desirable thing to have.)
I'm not fine with, if you fail, those zones being abused to (literal) death from bleeding out. -
@HellDescent said:
There are plenty on the outskirts of blackwater swamp alreadyOkay good.
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@Poweas said:
Why don't you just run Agitation.Also what do people mean by 'dead zones'?
Because there's only 4 slots, and i prefer that no Perk is required to counter mechanic flaws.
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@Tru3Lemon said:
@Boss said:
@Tru3Lemon said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJPFaPVxuAQ&t=209s
im always serious but i believe that you didint even play legion hes broken
Huh...
You might as well just have Exposed on all other Killers' main weapons at that rate...i mean you have huntress addon insta down, same as the clown, etc but im saying that legion needs a full rework since hes broken with frank mixtape
I guess matches like these woke the devs up, cause that change quickly got cancelled.
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Don't feel the same at all, Devour Hope is worth it all day for me on all tiers.
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@powerbats said:
Well if you watch some of the hgn end streamers they're pretty strategic with their hookings so that they don't create dead zones on the map.Cause right now it's actually very hard to create deadzones.
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@Peanits said:
It should, in theory, reduce dead zones and more evenly distribute hooks. It'll ensure a minimum distance between the hooks and only break that rule when there are no valid positions and the minimum hook requirement has not been met (in which case two may spawn close together). That'll also mean that the hooks won't spawn on one side of the map, leaving the other side with only one or two hooks.It is actually on the PTB right now, so you can try it for yourself if you like.
That sounds great up until the point that you've sacrificed 2 people on 1 side of the map because they would otherwise be unhookable.
From what you said, i see that it'll reduce deadzones on creation, but with the usage on 1 or 2 hooks could still easily break some maps then. -
@Maelstrom10 said:
Yeah but by not as much
I mean I used to use leader n prove thyself to get Max Gen speed (with resilience) but now that combo is kinda out the window with decreased output.Just find 1 other Survivor to repair with and you already should have a significant boost without current Leader & Resilience.
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@Faceless said:
If the DS changes, I want you to nerf Noed too, removing the killer's additional speed.Nerfing DS in exchange for no crappy speed boost?
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@TAG said:
Indirect buff to Hangman's Trick? :PThat would be good and bad.
Good for the Perk, bad that such a hindrance can only be overcome with a Perk. -
@Tru3Lemon said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJPFaPVxuAQ&t=209s
im always serious but i believe that you didint even play legion hes brokenHuh...
You might as well just have Exposed on all other Killers' main weapons at that rate... -
@Master said:
I am so used to the order now, pls dont mess with that
It would probably be in the normal order until you yourself would change it to what you want.
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@Maelstrom10 said:
Does this mean overall decreased gen speed? as in another survivor nerf?If you ran Leader mainly, then yes.
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Whether the Add-on should be of Common rarity, i don't know.
But i like that it completely negates meta Perks BECAUSE they're meta Perks.
Anything to give the meta more variety is good to me. -
I dislike scrolling in that menu, feels almost buggy.
So i'd want this. -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
Boss said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Hell Yeah, more exclusives that we can EARN and are LIMITED TIME. It’s what I love about this game, only wish it happened more often.
They can later be bought with Auric Cells, so i've read.
Better not be
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Yay
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@aarongai said:
Self care is the number one perk in the game anyways. Just free up the perk slot and allow more build diversity by making it baseline for Survivors, but debuff their action speeds if they don't heal up.
Whether Survivors heal themselves to get rid of the debuff or choose to stay injured and work on generators, games will last longer either way so killers gets a nice buff.
That Perk being #1 doesn't mean we should bore Survivors more.
In fact, it'll just incentivize the use of Self Care more, the point is to bring it down and/or bring others up. -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
Hell Yeah, more exclusives that we can EARN and are LIMITED TIME. It’s what I love about this game, only wish it happened more often.They can later be bought with Auric Cells, so i've read.
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Boss said:
@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Boss said:
It's still you that's reading about the leaks.yeah, but its starting to piss me off that people cant just wait for devs themselves to announce it, if other people get spoiled, it will later one get spoiled onto me by a friend so I just want to get it done and over with
Tell them to not tell you.
If they do, they're douches and you should consider unfriending them for being unable to keep their mouths shut.
It's fine if you don't think like i do, just saying that's how i'd approach it.no I get told out of know were, but I don't get to dick-ly with them, instead mid match I f**k with them, alot, they know that its karma from me, its like a loop, I just can choose to between dealing with it, or simply seeing with the devs about hiding it from the game files until the update actually drops (unless if it is the update it drops has the event)
I mean, it's not like the devs would prepare a show on stage to reveal the costumes.
It'd be JUST like how you found out, except on a neat banner. -
Oh my, hah!
Wraith with an opera mask.
It takes a lot nowadays to make me laugh more than 10 seconds... -
@Vietfox said:
What about the lullaby notification? I dont want survivors to know i'm running that right off the bat >:(Same.
I wonder why this is a Hex Perk in the current state of the game.
Could just raise the amount of Tokens it takes for the Skill Checks to produce no sound by a few to trade away the Hex mechanic. -
@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Boss said:
It's still you that's reading about the leaks.yeah, but its starting to piss me off that people cant just wait for devs themselves to announce it, if other people get spoiled, it will later one get spoiled onto me by a friend so I just want to get it done and over with
Tell them to not tell you.
If they do, they're douches and you should consider unfriending them for being unable to keep their mouths shut.
It's fine if you don't think like i do, just saying that's how i'd approach it. -
@aarongai said:
- Give all Survivors the current -50% Self Care without requiring a perk
wat
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It's still you that's reading about the leaks.
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Alright, thanks for the opinions.
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@Vietfox said:
NopeNo why?
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That's obvious.
I'm talking about how the hatch is now. -
I want this, but i'm gonna be a dick and say the following thing...
Inb4 we'll now get the same two maps in a row the whole time.
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Pretty AMAZING job so far!
But it didn't come from Mcote, so ehh. -
@The_Crusader said:
Bbbrian2013 said:@Boss said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Cardgrey said:
Personally as a wraith main. if I see one dropped I stop and watch the fireworks. then hook the survivor and ring my bell in junglebells fashion.(as close to that as I can) sure I lose the game. but me and the survivor get to celebrate the holidays. I got to see fireworks. They get camped and hear me try to ring jingle bells it’s a win/win
Lol
Do you get stunned as Wraith by them while cloaked? That seems BS and OP to me. All they have to do is drop one near you while cloaked and you can't avoid them.
You can look up when you see the throwing animation. It doesn't blind until after you see them throw it down.
Does it lightburn the Wraith?
Yes. If you don't look away in time.
Lightburn isn't about looking away. The survivor just needs to aim a flashlight at Wraiths body, not his eyes. That's why its hard to dodge firecrackers as him.
Gotcha, thanks you two.
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Cardgrey said:Personally as a wraith main. if I see one dropped I stop and watch the fireworks. then hook the survivor and ring my bell in junglebells fashion.(as close to that as I can) sure I lose the game. but me and the survivor get to celebrate the holidays. I got to see fireworks. They get camped and hear me try to ring jingle bells it’s a win/win
Lol
Do you get stunned as Wraith by them while cloaked? That seems BS and OP to me. All they have to do is drop one near you while cloaked and you can't avoid them.
You can look up when you see the throwing animation. It doesn't blind until after you see them throw it down.
Does it lightburn the Wraith?
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Never long enough to get Bloodlust 2 or 3, not for the first nor second part of the chase.
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@Swiftblade131 said:
"Balance Time"That's pretty much my train of thought.
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Any map that still allows Totems to spawn in LoS with spawning Survivors, in LoS with Generators, in plain sight & on top of hills.
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It's useful if you like to prevent hatch in general.
It's also useful if you sacrificed on hooks in one zone and the 4th goes down there.
I agree this Offering does pretty little, but not useless.I've seen some suggestions before that it should be baseline.
Idk about that, but it would go perfectly with the devs' train of thought of: Ending a game that's pretty much over already more quickly. -
Where'd that buff of the devs go to block the hatch?
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@Master said:
and you cant hook or drop him...Wait...WAIT!
That happened to me 2 days ago!
She couldn't die either, since she was on my shoulder.
She left after a few minutes though, guess she got sick of it.So she might've been cheating. Geez.
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Maybe he faked by letting go at the last moment possible?
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Idk how, but i'd try to make him more enjoyable to play as.
Yeah, unpopular opinion: I don't like how he plays, staring at people isn't my thing.
Just like how i don't like Nurse cause of HUEEE HAHHHH HEYAHOYOOOOO! -
I would like for the Bloodweb to stop reminding me i'm level 50 everytime i complete a web.
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"If Wraith, Mori"
So i place Mori.
When they hear my bell, they come up to me.
Hook 'em, stay cloaked nearby, they get unhooked, i down them and Mori them.
Aftergame chat, we were both happy. -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
Ha. You’d have another crow cicrcling above you by the time the one you already have takes off.Then you might wanna run Calm Spirit.
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There's a reason Killers don't have Skill Checks, y'know.
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Pretty dickish, yeah.
Not bannable though, it's pretty much a slower version of a Pig holding an RBT Survivor downstairs. -
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Peanits said:At one point, I would have been all for it. But these days that would just mean that some perks cost more bloodpoints in the bloodweb, since cost is tied to rarity.
Personally I'd rather see all perks standardized though. Rather than having some max out at rare and others at very rare, I'd rather see all perks follow the same Uncommon > Rare > Very rare rarity, making it instantly recognizable what tier a perk is without looking at the little pips on it. I still find it a little odd how some perks stay rare forever, as if they're just not as good as others.
But we all just want the pink colour tho, they could easy just change all colours to pink and the whole community would be satisfied
Maybe they can make it so you can apply your own background colors for Perks with some RGB settings.
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@Peanits said:
@Boss said:
@Peanits said:
To play devil's advocate:- If you have to manually place your totems, that means that Hex: Ruin wouldn't be active at the start of the round. All four survivors are naturally going to go straight to the first generator they see (they have no reason not to). Meanwhile, you'll be left running around trying to find a good spot for you totem. Before you can even put it down, generators are going to be popping off left and right.
- You could cheese it by putting your totems in narrow spaces or dead end areas and blocking it in with other totems or traps (if you're playing a trapping killer). I could put devour hope behind TOTH, behind Ruin, and then behind Haunted Ground. In order for someone to cleanse my devour hope, they would have to cleanse totems for a total of 85.5 seconds- longer than solo generator- and every time they touch all but the last totem, I receive a notification telling me exactly where they are. You can imagine how that might cause problems when I'm instantly downing them with devour hope.
- I could also just play hag and stick my totems in the basement with traps leading all the way out. If someone wants to cleanse them, they'd have to crouch all the way down the stairs. Good luck if you didn't bring Urban Evasion. Combine with TOTH and they've got no chance.
- If you do not pick the totem position but instead only get your choice of which pre-positioned dull totem to light, you are still at the mercy of RNG. If you've got two or three hill tiles, each with a totem, one outside the shack and one next to a generator, your totems are still going to stick out like a sore thumb no matter where you choose to place them. I've seen that exact scenario a couple times. In that case, you end up with the same problem except you lose a bunch of time lighting totems.
I feel like totem spawning just needs a good lookin' at. There needs to be far more so they're less predictable and harder to memorize the potential spawns, and there needs to be additional rules so they don't appear in obvious locations (cannot spawn in LOS of a generator that is less that X meters away, for example). If the killer has to place them manually, they lose a ton of time which offsets the benefit of the perk.
They also shouldn't spawn near Survivor spawns.
I would agree, but I feel like that would be a little too predictable. If I knew it wouldn't spawn within X meters of me or any other survivor, that would eliminate a large portion of the map as valid spawn positions and I would have way less area to check. I'd be okay with it spawning ten meters away from someone so long as it's well hidden behind an object and they wouldn't see it on their way to a nearby generator.
That's kinda what i meant.
Well-hidden would be my priority as well, i'm just sick of actually having to rush over to them immediately, or they'll TRULY be gone in 20 seconds sometimes.
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@Peanits said:
@Boss said:
@Peanits said:
At one point, I would have been all for it. But these days that would just mean that some perks cost more bloodpoints in the bloodweb, since cost is tied to rarity.Personally I'd rather see all perks standardized though. Rather than having some max out at rare and others at very rare, I'd rather see all perks follow the same Uncommon > Rare > Very rare rarity, making it instantly recognizable what tier a perk is without looking at the little pips on it. I still find it a little odd how some perks stay rare forever, as if they're just not as good as others.
It'd be a boring menu, that's for sure.
Yeah, that would be a shame. Some of my fondest memories are of going through my perk inventory and looking at all the different colours. It was the highlight of my day. But sacrifices must be made.
I'm just joking please don't eat me.
I hope they would just replace the rarity colors with whatever colors they want for the background.