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@Katzengott said:
Wait, so that means they DO seperate players from different Xbox and Play Station versions. Because i'm playing actually on Xbox Series X with crossplay on and was able to get crossplay matches the last few days. That beeing said, if you deactivate crossplay on Xbox Series X or PS5, you're not even get matched with Xbox One / S/ Series S or PS4 / Pro players. Which is really bad if you don't want to crossplay as the playerbase on Xbox Series X and PS5 is really small atm. And that means crossplay is kinda forced on the new consoles.
This wasn't a secret and was openly admitted since their D1 release. I remember @MandyTalk saying it quite a bit.
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@Chchchcheryl said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1966105#Comment_1966105
Yeah but without NOED adrenaline gives you a whole extra health state if you were injured and the 150% speed boost overlaps over other exhaustion so dead hard into adrenaline is brutal if coordinated! (Ik that's reliant on SWF but more people play SWF than don't, plus it happens to me a lot in solo just by accident)
Oh I'm not trying to disprove it's strength; adrenaline is in my top 3 most hated perks to go against for a reason, after all. It's an incredibly good perk.
I was just saying why I believe Hope to be marginally better- any non-115% killer can be looped for 2 straight minutes whilst it's active, and even 115% killers struggle to catch up without NOED. Adrenaline's free health state is... frustratingly good, to say the least, but I just personally think Hope is ever so slightly better (and also I hate it a lot less lol).
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@FengisKawaii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1966139#Comment_1966139
Yeah I agree with the main portion of the match thingy but making it any longer than 60s would be suuuper busted in endgame scenarios, like old MoM levels of busted :D
Nothing will reach old MOM level of busted, rather thankf-
Actually no Yakuyoke/MDR Spirit does come pretty close. Aside from that, nothing will ever reach old MOM level of busted, incredibly thankfully.
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@Adeloo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1966130#Comment_1966130
Well i remember seeing the WIP on stream saying it would be removed by getting heal.
It says, and I quote, "Healing". On twitter this was confirmed to mean "healing yourself and others". It only triggers on actions you perform. If other survivors heal you, it does not deactivate.
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@FengisKawaii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1966132#Comment_1966132
Mhh the timer needs to have a limit, otherwise you are guaranteed an escape during endgame no matter what if you get unhooked with a gate open or hatch spawning close after haha
At which point, like with a bt save, you could chase the unhooker. Alternatively if the team didn't open the gates and only 99'ed them the recently unhooked survivor opens the gates their ds is gone.
Or the devs could implement some other measure to ensure that it doesn't activate in endgame.
However during the main portion of the match it quite literally doesn't matter how long the ds timer is. If you don't tunnel they can't use it.
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@FengisKawaii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1966123#Comment_1966123
Totally agree but 180 would be way overkill don´t you think? :D
And yeah if your routing is good you can easily extend the chase for 5-6 minutes on new Gideon, it´s hillarious haha
Not really. What are they gonna do for those 3 minutes? They can't progress the game in the slightest without losing their perk.
######### it, make it 20 minutes long. At tier 1. And the timer doesn't decrease when in the dying state. It doesn't matter because they cannot progress the game at all with their perk active and if they spend 20 minutes doing absolutely nothing you've literally already won the match.
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@Adeloo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1966123#Comment_1966123
No not right now but it will, at least that what the WIP of the DS changes showed.
That's what I'm talking about. Getting healed by another survivor will not remove your ds timer, as confirmed by the devs on twitter.
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As @MadLordJack put it,
Find a clip of someone saying transphobic, homophobic, bigoted racial slurs on constant loop.
Raise the pitch by 150%.
Play these on loop whenever you're within 10m of another player.
Add in some politically charged hate.
Congratulations you've got proximity chat.
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@Adeloo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1966104#Comment_1966104
Well the perk will be useless against tunnel. I love that working on a gen or unhooking someone else or healing yourself cancel the perk but getting heal shouldn't for example.
Even with the current DS there are tunneling killers but even now DS is not an anti-tunnel perk. It just need to have a cooldown of 60 sec stopping if the survivor is getting chased, so it truly punish tunnelers and not killer who just downed an other survivor and get to down the DS user in less than 60 sec (which is the main complain killer have right now, getting called tunneler when they just downed an two survivor in less than 60 sec...basically for doing their job)
Also i wonder if by healing self mending is take into count ? coz if yes then Legion is about to get played even more just so you can Frenzy and deactivate survivor's DS then tunnel them.
Getting healed by another survivor doesn't cancel ds.
If you're self caring by the hook then that's a you problem when they return and honestly one of the dumbest moves you can do.
Mending is not a healing action and so won't be taken into account. If it was, it'd be affected by Botany Knowledge and Desperate Measures, similar to how Snap Out Of It and Waking Up used to be (and subsequently were revealed with Nurse's lol)
Also, the timer for DS doesn't matter now. They could legitimately make it 10 minutes and it wouldn't make a lick of difference due to it deactivating as soon as someone progresses the game. 60 seconds isn't enough to properly stop tunneling and it should honestly be infewsed to like, 180 at minimum because if you get, say, the new Game map and drop every pallet your chase will last well beyond 60 seconds.
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@e_j2007 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1964821#Comment_1964821
how dare you hate ghost face
Trust me I have plenty of sufficient reasons to do so.
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@Shirokinukatsukami said:
Does this mean that the reason Survivor Queues have been so fast, is because we lost the XBone population?
Depends entirely on your location. Rn queues for me are instant for survivor and about 30 years long for killer because a lot of the survivor population just, understandably, isn't playing with the current desync issues. These queues have been instant for like a week and a half so I don't think it was losing the xbone population that did it.
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@ilovedbd123 said:
The issue is, whilst it may not be fun, as you yourself stated against decent survivors a killer must tunnel to actually get any sort of pressure. If they don't, they often get at best a 2k at best if they don't mess up further. It may be unfun, but so is sitting on gens and not doing anything else. So is 4 min games. If killers have to put up with all that, then why can't survivors handle tunneling (which they have a tonne of perks against) and patrolling or slugging ( again have a tonne of perks against e.g soul guard or UB.)
That's what the OP advocated for. Fixing tunneling by implementing alternative, better strategies. Make 12 hook games significantly more viable and much more rewarding. Make tunneling and camping less viable and less rewarding and no an emblem penalty doesn't do anything. Balance out weaker killers so they can be on-par with stronger ones, balance out survivor perks so the weaker ones and stronger ones are closer in power, the whole shebang. That's literally what op wanted from reading their post.
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@Chchchcheryl said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1966077#Comment_1966077
hope isn't better than adrenaline hope = adrenaline
Adrenaline is a short burst of speed and health. It's a very good perk in endgame but imho Hope is better because any killer that isn't 115% can be looped permanently without getting Bloodlust around a single prop due to the 7% movement speed bonus Hope grants.
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Yes. I thought that'd be obvious from just the wording alone, tbf.
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@Dingo88 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1963486#Comment_1963486
I just spent over an hour on Blackwater swamp looking for 4 claudettes who did one gen then I'm asuming they just hid in lockers and used urban evation round the map. Dident get any hits no gens were being done so I dcd as I actually wanted a fun game. If I want to play hide and seek il download a hide and seek game. So now that I had to dc coz I was getting bored I have to wait an hour before I can get back in any game. Its a joke
If they refused to partake in the normal gameplay loop for 25 minutes or more it's classed as holding the game hostage and is a bannable offence.
@CornHub said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1963420#Comment_1963420
If the survivors are doing nothing but hiding and avoiding gens you can't really go out and kill them...
See above.
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@Mr_K said:
How about the UI changes? Did they make it in?
The proposed ones on Twitter did, yeah.
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Wrong there's a different way.
Absolutely ######### destroy your eardrums with music (like, for example, BLACKPINK works wonders for me, but Icon For Hire and Twice are also up there) and make your family worry for you as you punch the ######### out of your wall and half scream half sob the lyrics of the song you're listening to and bam you're having fun again!
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@Nosferatu3145 said:
You can loop a huntress in the saloon for ages tho
You seem to have missed the point here entirely.
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Pig because I ######### hate Ghostface with a burning passion and I want to see his smug ######### face have his teeth knocked in and shoved into one of Amanda's unbeatable traps. I'd take so much satisfaction seeing him strung up in the Angel Trap. I want Pig to win (and to be fair with her elaborate traps she probably could too).
[I am in no way inciting violence against Ghostface players or mains. All of my anger and comments are directed purely to the fictional character).
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@brokedownpalace said:
- Briefcase instead of a medkit
- Light
sabersword instead of a flashlight- Wrench or crowbar instead of a toolbox
They could be like the heirlooms in Apex Legends but less RARE plz. Thanks.
I'd be for these being added to the store but don't even think about loot boxes.
Also this poses a few issues; 4th year/Halloween items have their own skins, as do the Lunar New Year toolboxes. Firecrackers/Party Starters both look completely different, too. Also how much would they cost? Would they be available for shards? Would they further take away from whatever quality remains in the game to focus on more, different kinds of skins? How many bugs would they bring? Etc
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@Huge_Bush said:
If the ban timer is bugged, report it here: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/categories/bugs
The timer goes back down the longer you don't dc. There is no need to change it. Make sure it isn't your connection that is the problem. If you are using wifi, don't. Bugs that boot you from the game don't happen often enough to remove or lessen the punishment.
My friend has specs far above those required to play the game and consistently has his game crash in-game, in lobbies, in the store, when booting up; whenever.
He's also received a ban from the forums and subsequently cannot report any of these because of the no alternate accounts policy.
Which, when he's been kicked and/or had his game crash to the point of a 30 minute penalty, can be pretty annoying
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@chargernick85 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1964789#Comment_1964789
Oh man surge hope that on pops up too. Shadowborn pops up all the time early in my Bloodwebs but now it will never come.
Unironically Surge and Mindbreaker on Nurse are some top-tier perks. Surge just helps save a load of time (and she gets downs near gens cause short chase times) and Mindbreaker just completely eliminates Dead Hard from ever being an issue haha. Who knew Demo's perks would be godly on her and nobody else lol
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My current nurse build is Devour, Undying, Sloppy, and BBQ though if DevourDying dies too quickly there's always the option to slap on Shadowborn (100% worth it) and Surge.
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@hatchking said:
Base: 4% which means 12% if you try 3 times so you will Kobe at least once every 9 games with maxed out slippery meat about halves the games but there is a 4% chance you will still fail but that's only counting one half the second half doubles your chances giving you a Kobe every 2 or 3 games open handed gives you an extra 18% giving you a 66% chance there can be 4 in play giving you an over all 120% chance Vigo's jar of salty lips increases your chance by 3% it stacks giving you overall 132% chance and luck adds together so it doesn't increase it giving you a 56% chance per attempt at max
Sorry if my math is a little off but this about the luck you get
This is actually wrong, though I wish it were this simple.
Base
The actual odds are calculated differently, because each attempt is known as an independant event. It doesn't take into account any previous attempts, or any future attempts; the odds remain a fixed 4/100 (1/25) chance of escaping with every attempt.
The chance of failure is 24/25, or 0.96. This is rolled three times, and so the chance for one survivor to fail all 3 of their hook attempts is (0.96)^3 or 0.884736. To figure out the chance of escaping one of those attempts, you then do 1-0.884736, or 0.115264. 11.5264%
Therefore the chance for one survivor out of four to successfully escape is calculated at 1-((0.96)^12) or 0.38729024267. 38.729024267%
Slippery Meat
This perk not only increases luck but also the chances to escape. For the sake of simplicity, I'll just work from the highest perk tier (+3 attempts, +4% luck).
This means that the chance of failure is now 92/100, or 0.92. This is rolled 6 times, and so the chance for one survivor to fail all 6 escape attempts is (0.92)^6, or 0.606355001344. The chances of escaping one of those attempts is 1-0.606355001344, or 0.393644998656. 39.3644998656%
Therefore the chance for one survivor out of four, all of whom use the perk, to successfully escape is calculated at 1-((0.92)^24), or 0.86482142738880985506033742771064. 86.482142738880985506033742771064%
Naturally these odds differ when there's a combiantion of perk users.
Luck offerings
The maximum luck offering that can be burned is Vigo's Jar Of Salty Lips, which increases luck for all survivors by 3%. For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to assume that 4 VJOSL were burnt.
The chance of failure is now 84/100, or 21/25. This is rolled 3 times. The chance for a complete failure is (0.84)^3, or 0.592704. The chances of escaping one of those attempts is 1-0.592704, or 0.407296. 40.7296%
Therefore the chance of one survivor out of four to escape is calculated at 1-((0.84)^12), or 0.87658969298. 87.658969298
Up the ante
There are many different combinations of luck this perk can give, and so for my own sake I'm going to assume one survivor uses this perk at T3, and all 4 survivors remain alive in the trial.
Fail chance = 0.87, rolled 3 times. Total fail = 0.658503, chance for escape in one attempt = 0.341497. 34.1497%
Total chance in a match = 0.81196831779.
Also here is 4 survivors with the perk, with 4 alive.
Fail chance = 100-(0.09*4) = 100-0.36 = 0.64, rolled 3 times.
Total fail = 0.262144, chance to escape one attempt = 0.737856. 73.7856%
Total chance in a match = 0.995277633517130354786304. 99.5277633517130354786304
Combinations of luck gets really confusing and annoying really quickly so I'm saving myself the trouble. The numbers get really big and clunky to work with.
if you want to work it out for yourself, here's the forumula:
1-(chance of failure)^[total attempts made].
TL;DR
OP got the maths wrong, here's luck but not combined together because I can't be bothered:
Base = 11.5% solo, 38.7% for 1 of the 4.
SM 3= 39.4% solo, 86.5% for 1 of the 4.
VJOSLx4 = 40.7% solo, 87.7% for 1 of the 4.
UTA 3x4 = 73.8% solo, 99.5% for 1 of the 4.
Have fun guys.
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@jakesotto said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1964117#Comment_1964117
Agreed! I like his default headpiece and his 70's mechanic headpiece the best although the hair is textured very odd.
The Mechanic's one is... It's okay. His default, prestige, crown, and bearded are definitely the best ones by far, with like the two caps being decent. His dia de los muertos cosmetic is also pretty good but still doesn't beat the default ones. The rest...
Yikes BHVR.
And don't get me started on Eggman David.
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David King but they give him an actual good head piece.
That's it.
That's all I want.
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@Shirokinukatsukami said:
Repressed Alliance - lock the gen they are working on
Empathy/Bond- find those injured survivors and tail them to screw them
OoO - best way to draw the killer to you without your teammates knowing. Use Bond and Empathy to find teammates, then gaze at killer and teabag, then when they start coming look away and start slowly walking away.
Repressed Alliance can't actually be used if there's another survivor on the generator unfortunately :(
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- Red Herring. Do a gen for 3 seconds with a teammate, get in a locker, bam.
- Diverstion. Throw the pebble at the people.
- Any Means Necessary. Drop a pallet on your friend as they're looping then start picking it up with AMN; they can't vault it whilst you do this.
- Bond. Run the killer to your buddies.
- Desperate Measures. Able to insta-farm your mates off hook and then get away.
- Dead Hard. Combos well with DM and lets you DH through your friend that you've just saved so they go down again.
- Deliverance. Wait till your friends are running to save you and then just kobe in their face.
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@MadLordJack said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1963721#Comment_1963721
Oh no? Then why are half the perks in all my trials, survivor ESPECIALLY, DS/UB/DH/BT/Adrenaline?
I think that's cause you swf with me and I'm a toxic sweaty survivor main who only knows how to use the meta 😔💅
(/j)
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@PeaceNGrease said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1959271#Comment_1959271
Oh, my god.
That was you trying to be funny...
That was supposed to be funny....
....Well hey, I'm sure someone laughed
They did, you just weren't part of the group :)
I'm well aware my own form of humour is very subjective but please keep the snide remarks to yourself.
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@QwQw said:
I'm witnessing a live Dead By Daylight forum ban speedrun.
Any% No Glitches WR
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How else am I meant to use up all of these?
On a serious note, though, it's because flashlight saves are the most satisfying, rewarding, and fun thing to do as survivor in current DBD, especially when I just happen to be in the right place at the right time. They're an easy way to farm boldness points, chain blinding is amazing, and you can pull off some rediculous ######### that for some reason works. For example, stun a killer, blind them, slow vault the pallet, fast vault back over and they swing. Not the most practical but funny as #########, and that's why we play a game, right? To have fun.
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@Tizzle said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1962704#Comment_1962704
That was an attempt at a shack pallet save to prevent someone from being hooked in the basement.
Worth the try (even though it was slighty too far).
Probably not as good as you think you are if this is the example you're using to blame your teamates.
This is the example that I had saved; unlike some people I don't record every single game, and have Shadowplay enabled just for some moments. As it turns out there was an exploitable bug this game, hence why I Shadowplayed it and thought "why the hell not" and turned it into a gif, which I then made a meme post about called something like 'Welcome to soloq'.
It was obvious from the pickup start to anyone who knows actual spacing that it wouldn't have saved but trust me when I say I've had significantly worse happen.
Probably not as good as you think you
Ask like @Jyn_Mojito or @lowiq I call myself an awful survivor all the time lmao. I'm just, apparently, better than a lot of rank 10s because that's what the system thinks I should be paired with at rank 1.
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@Shaped said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1962716#Comment_1962716
Your point is that you are the best at everything and never make a single mistake. Everyone else is below you. I get it.
And sorry to break it to you but you will never be able to control how your teammates preform. And even if you are paired with all the red ranks you will still see similar things happen.
Maybe just maybe play the game and adapt, let others do the same because crying about it won't change how others play the game. Or play swf.
Or play swf
Don't worry that game was one of the last solo survivor games I ever played, because it's genuinely unbearable with the current matchmaking.
Your point is that you are the best at everything and never make a single mistake. Everyone else is below you. I get it.
I could tag several members of this forum who are infinitely better survivors than I am, if you wanted, or better than me in other ways. I in no way think I'm the best at everything, only Pyramid Head, and I'm well aware of whenever I make mistakes and know how to improve on them in future. Perfect people don't make mistakes.
Again if you're going to respond at least try and disprove something, cut the attitude and the snide remarks.
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@Shaped said:
One gen left and god pallet wasted. End of the world.
One generator left because I did 3 of them whilst still being chased by her, correct.
One generator left with 3 people on death hook and me not having been hooked once because I was the only one that could last more than 2 seconds, yes.
Shack pallet wasted on a map with a total of 8 pallets, yes.
Shack pallet wasted through no fault of my own and entirely the fault of my teammate, which was the point of the gif, yes.
if you're gonna reply with something at least debunk my point.
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id suggest censoring the name to avoid accidentally breaking the no naming & shaming rule- whilst the intents weren't to name and shame it could be interpreted in such a way by the mods
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If I'm being perfectly honest yes I think I will 100% blame my teammates in circumstances like this.
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@Darkskies said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1961907#Comment_1961907
Well it's your turn to test those surviours then for me 🐷👑
I barley play anymore due to just lack of support for us console players plus the constant down talking we get by streamers and fog whispers is unreal.
Just feel like us console players are a burden to the game or get impression latley.
😔🐷
If it makes you feel better an ex-fog whisperer was also a convicted pedo so I wouldn't hold their opinion in too high of a regard
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I actually like both of these but you forgot the most important perk: Head On.
Make it a 4 second stun instead of 3 and watch as the world just ends. Sit back and relax as chaos ensues and it becomes the best Exhaustion perk in the game. Or even better- 5 seconds.
(people will think im serious so obligatory /s)
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@NomiNomad said:
"I've successfully mastered the desync as a killer."
So, you've mastered hitting survivors? The killer's screen doesn't look different from old gameplay. On their screen, they are getting the same hits. Not sure how you can "master" a thing that was already in the game.
It's only screwed up on the survivor's end. You as a killer have no way of knowing where they were on their screen unless you had Franklin's and they had an item.
To be fair, Franklin's actually shows where the server thinks the hit took place from my knowledge and so with this current desync it's gotten pretty damn rediculous just hitting someone, turning around and seeing their item literally on the other end of the tile.
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you're welcome
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LUCKYCHARM
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No 😘
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No. There is functionally zero difference between the Obsession and other survivors unless the killer is using an Obsession perk, those being Save The Best For Last, Play with your Food, Dying Light, Remember Me, Rancor, Dark Devotion, Furtive Chase, Nemesis, and Dead Man's Switch. All of these perks with the exception of Remember Me reward a playstyle of allowing the Obsession to remain in the trial (though Dead Man's Switch does incentivise hooking the Obsession, it wants them alive for more DMS procs and not dead).
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In this order:
1) Pyramid Head
I adore his gameplay so much, his playstyle, his existence, his appearance, etc. I've been hooked since he released.
2) Wraith
He's fun to play and I simp.
3) Bubba
Speed Limiter only, the ######### meme potential is astronomical and I love it.
4) Freddy
The killer I play when I wanna win, he's strong, I can play with my brain switched off, and still partially fun.
5) Nurse
She's so unbelievable strong but unlike Freddy it feels like I've actually earned a win when I do. Plus I no longer feel ill playing her :D
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/228585/question-for-pig-mains
A lot of people do that, they even go as far as to down someone else who is bodyblocking that person and then resume the chase without hooking...
I'm well aware that lots of people do it, however it just seemed to be every Pig player, whilst it was just a percentage of other killers.
It's probably because Pig isn't played all too much at red ranks, for obvious reasons.
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@Jaffycake said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1959438#Comment_1959438
Tried everything with addons, The Pig just can't keep up. I got Rank 2 with the Pig (1 pip away from Rank 1) and I really enjoyed it, especially with the Make Your Choice, Pop and Surveillance combo which really forces the Pig to not tunnel and camp but in the end it is fighting a losing battle.
I really would like the traps to take more time to remove so that it can actually slow down the game a lot more.
It is just a difficult killer to consistently win with I think. If someone wins a lot of Pig games they can prob pickup any other killer and do better.
I really like the pig though :'(
I'm gonna go play some Pig now.
Good luck buddy :)
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@Jaffycake said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1959424#Comment_1959424
Trapping them stops them getting away because they always need to get the trap off. It also makes the victim exhausted and blind with the right addons which makes it easier to kill that survivor.
I found that the traps don't slow the game enough, I think the trap removal time needs increasing to make The Pig more balanced.
Killing one person quickly means that I don't get looped for ages only to hook one person and have to find a different for a total of like... 6 times before I finally get a complete kill.
I don't want or not want to tunnel, I just play the game, have fun and win games.
I don't have Pyramid head yet.
I guess that makes sense- from a non Pig player perspective have you thought about sticking on Jigsaw's Sketch or something to increase box number? I think it's Crate Of Gears that slows down searching time? That may help if you don't wanna tunnel cause you can increase the time they spend off gens travelling to boxes.
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@Jaffycake said:
The Pig is a hard Killer to be successful with consistently.
One day I realised that if I tunnel the first trapped survivior and kill them quickly I end up killing more survivors and winning more games, which is fun for me and it makes me a better killer.
But then what's the point in trapping them? The whole purpose of RBTs from my knowledge and what other Pig mains have said on this thread is to slow the game down by removing them from gens because they need to search boxes. So why then keep focusing on the one person who's not doing generators instead of the 3 that are?
Also, if you want to tunnel that badly, why play Pig (one of the killera that benefit the most from spreading the damage instead of focusing a single target) and not, say, Pyramid Head, the one killer in the game who is the literal best at tunneling (unfortunately).
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@PeaceNGrease said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1958569#Comment_1958569
The votes suggest otherwise
I'm so glad you know what a joke i-
Oh.
Oh wait.