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@Hex_iButt said:
It's usefulness is definitely why a lot of people want this perk basekit to a weaker degree. It's even better paired with Open-Handed just for the extended aura reading effects.
Even if you're not going for the save, you can try to find another survivor if you need to heal OR avoid them completely if its say a Legion or something. The knowledge this perk provides is great.
People honestly want Kindred as base? Lol wow.....People please stop it! STOP!!!
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@Hex_iButt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240891#Comment_3240891
You have the opinion part down, but as far as the facts, you're not really siting any sources/data to prove why Amanda is the absolute worst killer in the roster... There are people who have mentioned a good few killers who can be seen as weaker than her by a mile, some even giving plenty of reasons as to why Pig gets off better than they do.
I think we would all benefit if you had something to base your claims off of vs ranting about a playstyle that's specific to two add-ons vs her power as a whole. It could help to prove the argument a ton, otherwise there's an impression that this "fact" is heavily personal/bias from a few bad Pig matches.
You did not comprehend what was being said..What i "said" was opinions are opinions and facts are facts!
Opinion: Pig is a decent or good killer that can do well on most maps!
Facts: Pig is a weak or one of the weaker killers! Facts!!!
Do you understand and comprehend now. Theres a difference.
@Norhc said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/352002/pig-is-the-weakest-killer-in-dbd
Pig currently is the strongest she has ever been. Stop coping and get good.
Lol tell that bs to someone else dont tell it to me!
Oh btw im godlike at dbd buddy! If you paid attention to the thread you would know i dont have issues in matches with her mostly im sticking to the killer and her lack of ability to consistently win! So you can keep your "get good" comment to yourself!
@IlliterateGenocide said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240560#Comment_3240560
Trapper, Freddy, Sadako probs even myers
Pig is worse than all those killers except Trapper, he's debatable!
@IlliterateGenocide said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3241154#Comment_3241154
I legit think Freddy has one of the worst antiloop powers. only thing he really has is teleport.
Myers is just outdated. you have to lose about a gen just to tier 3 and then you can legit run out of ur power
These killers are better than Pig in tiers theres no comparison, Pig sucks!
@xni6_ said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240560#Comment_3240560
myers, trapper, freddy, non condemn sadako, clown, legion, ghostie, slinger, trickster
Nope all those killers are better than Pig!
@Bartlaus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240904#Comment_3240904
Let me explain it for you:
Op telling bs = facts
Any people who say otherwise than op are trolls.
Disagreeing with op = personal opinions, not facts.
Only op can declare something as a fact without substantiating it.
I hope I could help you a little bit. I'm sorry you wasted your time here.
Wrong and incorrect! OP is saying opinions are opinions and facts are facts! "Pig is weak and or a weaker killer" FACTS!!!
Everything else you said means absolutely nothing bc it has nothing to do with how i defined facts and opinions! Your trying to troll or derail the thread by attacking me and saying things i never said to reinforce your argument! Not gonna fly or work with me because i call stuff like this out and expose it! Nice try though!
@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3241147#Comment_3241147
That doesn't mean much when the strongest she has ever been is still pretty weak. :P
This is not the strongest Pig gas been! Bear traps currently cannot be taken off on the first box/attempt but can between attempts 2-5 (actually most people get it off on box 2-3). Head pops are almost non existent as a result of this!
Old Pig with Crate of Gears and Jigsaw Sketch she had 5 boxes and boxes 2-5 were not guaranteed even though it could be taken off the first box! This was much stronger and Pigs strong add-ons got nerfed thus nerfing her overall.
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@katoptris said:
Can she get stuck in her own trap?
Can Trappers be aware of they're Traps at all or most of the time? Yes!
@HellDescent said:
I never said Legion was weaker. He's on par with her. Trapper is. He is map and addon dependent, has no slow down, has to chose between setting up and loosing gens, has to walk around the map to pick up his power
Yeah i know you were gonna mention one of them already thats why i said what i said! Lol you kidding right Trapper is add-on dependant but Pig is not?
Pig needs add-ons just as much as any other killer outside Nurse! I'll agree that he has three maps where hes really bad but he makes up for it with the maps where his traps are basically invisible thanks to the darkened bear traps. Pigs in game slowdown means little to nothing. Her slowdown is highly overrated and trash and i explain why in this thread!
Trapper has to go around the map setting traps? Yeah of course he does just like Hag thats why these killers mostly use Corrupt competitively!
@TotemSeeker91 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/352002/pig-is-the-weakest-killer-in-dbd
Woah there, you're giving Sadako too much credit, lol
Too much credit? Sadako is a very good killer you and "all" others that say otherwise are trippin!
@Nun_So_Vile said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240605#Comment_3240605
Even separating Solo Q and SWF performance for each and Pig would still come out on top for both. They both struggle with SWF, but Evan has a much harder time imo. Pig has the Better kit, "RNG element", stealth mechanic, faster hits and downing capabilities that can be attributed to aforementioned stealth mechanic, not only an additional power in her kit that Evan doesn't have (as well as many other roster characters) but it's also a fairly significant slowdown one at that. She also has the better mind games at loops since she can get low and lose TR+Stain. In essence, Nerf pig.
Evan? Pig would get destroyed by swf cut it out! No killer thats not Nurse and maaaybe Blight (depending on map, perks and add-ons) can do well or decent against them!
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@dspaceman20 said:
Me for now is my usual stealth build
Premonition/Iron Will/ Self Aware/Windows of oppurtunity
And
Inner Healing/ Overcome/ Small Game/ Visionary
Second one sounds interesting!
@Yatol said:
all of my survivor builds are non meta, i try to make builds with at least 1 teachable. my most "meta" build is Mikaela with 4 boon perks, my favorite is claudette with botany knowledge, we'll make it, kindred and lithe
We'll Make It users are under appreciated especially with Botany, than you!
@Steel_Eyed said:
My primary build is:
- Bond
- Reassurance
- Wake Up
- (Flex)
Ive been using Dead Hard and Circle of Healing lately. So I guess two ‘meta’ perks.
Its ok its still a non meta build! I have Lithe in one of the builds i mention here but it doesnt make the whole build meta! Nice too!
@Objectively_speaking said:
First Build | BlastMine, Flashbang, Head On, Circle of Healing <Can switch this for medkit if you want to run any other thing>.
Second Build | Empathy, Empathic Connection <Optional and highly dependent on decent teamates not sandbagging can switch for Botany or WGLF>, Wake up, Flashbang <Can switch for unbreakable, or exhaustion>
WGLF/Botany sounds clutch but like you said its usage and value depends on the level of the tram mates!. Most team mates are bad so i get you!
@VikingDragonXii said:
Mine are based on I can't trust my SoloQ Teammates.....
CoH
Shadow Step
Bot Knowledge
Lithe
Like I said I can't trust my teammates so I have to go into it as a kone wolf. I have about a 65-70 escape rate but all depends on Killer, Map, and quality of teammates
Cool! I hear you too people are really bad at this game! My i cant trust my team mates build is
Sole Survivor/Spine Chill/Lithe/Wake Up
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@HellDescent said:
She's not
She "is"! Tell me why Trapper or Legion is weaker than Pig bc i know thats what you wanna say!
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@Akumakaji said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/352002/pig-is-the-weakest-killer-in-dbd
I will leave this one here, its pretty entertaining to watch and a great build to try out.
I know about that build already! One of my Pig builds is Spirit Fury/Enduring/STBFL/Brutal Strength, my issue is not winning with Pig i win with her, my issue is that shes not a good killer and is very weak, i want old headpops Pig back!
Old Crate of Gears/Jigsaw Sketch combo was broken! Then her add-ons got nerfed as she got overall nerfed. Like why oh why does Pig have a 32m terror radius instead of 28? Thats crazy! Its Pig for goodness sake!
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Im glad you guys are enjoying the event bc i definitely am not!
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@Marc_go_solo said:
It's a shame you're getting the crashes and disconnects during your trials. My experience has been much different, with even dc's being less prominent than normal. However, this doesn't take away from the experience you're having, and the impact it's had on your matches.
But as for the sounds and pumpkins you're annoyed about I feel is nit-picking, and from my experience this event has been the best Halloween event for some time.
Well its crashing after trials not during them and where i have to restart the application which is very annoying.
Everyone's experiences are different yeah and im venting but at the same time these are legit issues i feel.
The sounds sound too much like killer sounds and pumpkins can give survivors the "haste" status effect so i dont think im nitpicking at all.
@Okonar_ said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240679#Comment_3240679
If you think people are only dcing because of the event and "crashes" then I have some bad news for you...
Actually the amount of dc's have increased since this event and there were no crashes prior to it! I never said its the "only" reason but certainly are contributing factors! Dont make stuff up to reinforce your argument its not cool.
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@Marik1987 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240891#Comment_3240891
Ok, Im out here. This is no bottom for a discussion.
I understand and there is very much room for discussion when it comes to me but if someone says something wrong or not true im gonna say something or correct them because that's what i do on forums!
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@Marik1987 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240869#Comment_3240869
Your "fact" is not everyones "fact".
You believe she is trash. Fine by me. I cannot say the same about her.
Wrong! There's opinions then there's facts! No in between!
Opinion: "I (you) dont think shes trash"!
Facts: Pig is garbage! (This can be proven factually)
See the difference!
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@Marik1987 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240722#Comment_3240722
Trapper is only good with a basement. Freddy has 1 Addon and a lot of Perks cant be used. Sadako is terrible.
I win much more games with Pig than Sadako.
Watch CMWinter to improve with Piggy, she is not top, but not flop either. She was bottom5, with the RBT-Buff she is probably C-Tier, no D-Tier anymore.
Trapper is "not" only good basement! Freddy's add-ons are bad overall and why are you specifically bringing up perks with him!?
Sadako is good and not terrible at all! I don't care about your personal experiences so why bring it up! I do good with Pig too but it doesn't take away from the fact that shes a trash killer!
@Krazzik said:
In chase Pig is garbage yes, but her traps are really strong for reliable slowdown since their buff a while ago. Obviously you have to get the downs first, and that's why she is indeed low-tier, but she's better than a few killers like Trapper, Sadako, Myers, Freddy, Clown and maaaaaybe Legion.
Pigs bear traps didnt get buffed at all. Her strong trap add-ons and base kit have been getting nerfed! She is better than none of those killers "especially" Sadako! Sadako is good and yall trippin!
@Entitled_survivor said:
She has the best passive slowdown with her traps i think,only weskers slowdown comes close to it ,,that being said she struggles gettin downs in the first place
No she doesnt, Sadako's is much better!
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@Marik1987 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240560#Comment_3240560
Trapper, Freddy, Sadako for example.
Pig has the best Basekit-Slowdown in the game together with Pinhead. It recently received buffs.
One thing should be a buff to crouch/uncrouch and Ambush.
Addons are mostly fine, M1 is M1, RBT are strong, Ambush needs some help.
Someone mentioned these three already and i explain why they are stronger than Pig, especially Freddy and Sadako! These killers minus Trapper are in higher tiers and Trapper is better than Pig!
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@Grigerbest said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240652#Comment_3240652
I'm just curious, what just happened to you in the trials, that you think of her so bad? xD
You played against swf or something?
I dont base things off my personal experience in regards to killers! I "can" and very much at times do well with Pig, i even just 4k'ed with her but i bring up facts!
The matter of fact and the truth is Pig is weak and literally every other killer is better than her!
@MeanieDeeny said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/352002/pig-is-the-weakest-killer-in-dbd
Play her w Amanda’s letter, it’s very helpful…especially w ambushing
Ehhh i dont use Amanads letter bc i need her bear traps! The issue is not me winning or losing with her, i do well but im pointing out her weaknesses and her strengths in no way outweigh her overall weaknesses.
I actually have some pretty cheap builds with Pig but i know at the highest level it wont be good enough!
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@Okonar_ said:
Complaining about getting free extra bloodpoints... ok?
Bloodpoints? Ok you can hoard out bp **claps*** im talking however about the "issues" with this event. Why dont people pay attention and or comprehend what is being said!?..
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@Seraphor said:
"I'm not having fun so no one else should!"
Should be the tag line for this game, all the entitled players ruining it for the rest of us.
Suck it up and play the game. If you're not enjoying it, stop playing.
Not entitled buddy im speaking and airing out what i dont like about the event! I dont know where "entitlement" comes into the picture here..this has nothing to do with that.
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240644#Comment_3240644
In that scenario, while you're in chase with one survivor, those other two are going to Jigsaw boxes to remove the traps (taking between one and four boxes to do), and then they're back on gens.
For any other low tier killer, you're in a chase with one survivor, and the other three are all on generators.
It's not that I'm defending her, it's that I think you're wrong. The slowdown she brings bumps her up out of D tier, and it's at the bottom of C tier where she remains. It's not that good, she's still weak, but she's not literally the worst.
Trapper can do the same thing she does but work much less and get better results! Sadako has a in game slowdown that is better than Pigs because of her overall kit!
Pig literally has nothing going for her! Her beartraps and getting them off at Jigsaw boxes occur from attempt 2-5 (in actuality rng is not a reliable thing in games as it is too inconsistent), shes slow and her "bad maps" are worse than other killers with the same bad maps! As i mentioned already her ability is only subpar as it gets countered by Spine Chill, Premonition and Stake Out so they're already off the gen and getting distance on you and her ability at loops (non stealth) is only okay at "certain" loops, usually the bad ones!
She is at D+ and not at D or C+! Pig is a joke man!
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You got an argument or want to debate me on this killer please "anyone" i challenge you to do so and be my guest!
The killer (Pig) is dog s***/
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240619#Comment_3240619
...But that is game delay? What you're describing is game delay, they're spending enough time to run to two or three different boxes, and they're not on generators while they're doing that. If you're a good killer, and you have good map awareness + know what you're doing with Pig's kit, that's far more time than most other killer powers can give you.
She doesn't need headpops. She needs survivors to be scared of headpops so they stop working on generators and prevent the headpops.
Wrong Jester! You are incorrect! Her headpops made up for the fact that she is a weak "slow" killer! Ok "one" or "maybe" two survivors are off gens....ok, while another survivor is in chase (Pigs bigger issue) they are going to the jigsaw box and removing it and then "right back" on the gen so your so called "in game slowdown" did absolutely nothing! lol
So your wrong Pig "needs" headpops to be even viable bit due to the nerfs and current iteration of Pig she will mostly never get headpops! This killer is sad why are you trying to defend her as if shes not a bad killer?
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I prove just in this thread alone why Pig is the weakest killer and why she is D tier! Her power is very underwhelming and only good at ######### loops and her bear traps are a joke!
Pig like 3-5 patches ago was way better!
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@Hoodied said:
Trapper and Sadako exist you know
Amanda has some small level of map pressure and chase power with her ambush, Sadako has a restrictive teleport and semi-stealth and Trapper has a power that is almost impossible to make viable in high elo due to how its designed, plus don’t forget dbd is a timed game so trapper is using alot of his time to get to his bear traps and set them up
Sadako is a strong killer you are bugging! "Amanda" is garbage dont ever bring up her and Sadako in the same sentence ever again! lol
@jesterkind said:
I disagree that she's the weakest. Her ambush is pretty rubbish, but she has some kinda-sorta reliable stealth (IE, you use it to sneak up, not to charge an ambush) and she has some really solid game delay. She isn't that great, I'd put her around low C tier, but there are killers that couldn't dream of delaying the game like Pig.
Pig's one of those killers that does have some value, you just have to really work for it. A killer like Clown, while definitely weaker than Pig, is a lot easier to approach- the bottles provide much less value but it provides that value much easier than Pig's bear traps and stealth. It's easier to just throw a bottle and get a hit than it is to really capitalise on the value that Pig provides.
Still, she is weaker than she needs to be, she could use some buffs.
You know whats funny..the way you make it sound (in game slowdown etc) Pig is decent but she is not and the whole "she has her own in game slowdown" is an illusion bc she cant get headpops anymore and survivors are getting they're traps off the second or third box and boom "right" back on a gen! Trash!
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Bs your obviously just trolling just to troll!
@GoshJosh said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240560#Comment_3240560
Trapper and Clown.
Nope! Clown's 1 v 1 is "way" better than Pigs as he gets faster downs! Trapper has the rng element that is superior to Pigs bear traps just by engaging in chases! Pig is significantly weaker than these two!
Incorrect! Trapper at least has element of surprise (rng) and can force survivors to abandon loops! Pig is just s**%!
lol troll
@Grigerbest said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240560#Comment_3240560
- Trapper.
- Legion.
- Freddy.
I mean, Piggy at least have a secondary goal for survivors, which is traps on a head, it puts aditional presure and preventing gen-rush.
And she at least have "some sort of" anti-loop, and she can sneak up.
Aside from these 3 that I mentioned... They are typical M1 killers without an any anti-loop ability.
Freddy? Your joking! Freddy is leagues (tiers) better than Pig, Pig is just whack! Pig has no anti-loop like you say as her lunge power is sub par at best and only at certain loops! Legion is a 4 v 1 killer, Pig is a 1 v 1 killer, Legion is better than Pig but i wont say how much.
@AcelynnBen said:
that title would go to sadako, and i know this because i play both pig and sadako
Nonsense! Take your trolling somewhere else this is a serious thread!
@Regulus47 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3240575#Comment_3240575
No way Legion's worse than pig. No way. That is the fattest cap I've seen on these forums.
Yeah i know. People are trolls or dont know killer! Pig is crap! Crap i tell you!
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@Grigerbest said:
I mean... She is weak, but not the weakest.
Who's weaker than Pig? Tell me!
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@Laluzi said:
I can't disagree more. I'm having a great time, I'm getting loads of bloodpoints from a secondary objective (the kind that we haven't had since BBQ/WGLF left the building), my teammates are actually doing gens, and I'm even seeing an uptick in people playing friendly or doing silly things. Lots of spooky Myers/Ghostfaces/Sadakos and killers going for 2-hooks and then vibing.
I do agree that the sound from the esoteric generators is distracting, though, especially when you've got a stealth killer.
Good for you that your having fun bc i am not! You get paired up with good teams, i get paired up with bad ones and people that want to sandbag and dc most of the time.
The sounds are bad especially if theres a Dredge....Geeze this event is a**!
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@Nihlus said:
Agree to disagree. I walk out with over 50k bp nearly every game, even when dying. I only have 7 more prestige levels to get across all survivors to be done with bloodpoints on them. I'm going to get that before the event ends.
There are various reasons to look for totems as it is that already made hexes a high risk high reward scenario. Boon totems are very popular, so people are already looking for them. Most experienced survivors already check every totem spot while walking from point A to B anyway just in case of a hex.
The bad matchmaking has nothign to do with the event. That's just how this game has always been. Really, the only complaint that holds merit is the sounds being annoying for you. Fair enough. But that's not a good enough reason to make everyone else miss out on an event and tons of BP just because you dislike them. If it bothers you so much, just stop playing until it ends in like a week and a half.
I didn't say anything about people doing totems what i said was that killer running them in this event is a bad idea!
The bad matchmaking doesn't have anything to do with the event? I beg to differ because people are ignoring objective at times to hoard bp which can have negative outcomes or effects in matches.
A week and a half? That's not that bad and once its gone good riddance! The snow man winter event was bad but not as bad as this one!
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@Viciusaurus said:
I really wish I could. With the game crashing bugs in the beginning, to the DC rampage when penalties were off, to consistently just getting the worst experience because everyone is playing super sweaty, it just hasn't been fun at all. People really have no chill with these events and it's very demoralizing trying to enjoy anything
Lol
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I hate this event and want it to be over as soon as possible! My issues with this event
1: People are gaining status effects for smashing pumpkins.
2: Using Hex totems seems like a really bad idea because people are constantly looking for pumpkins which have the illuminosity of hex totems so your Undying/Ruin or Devour can go quicker because pumpkins are everywhere on the map including next to totem spawn locations
3: The generator sound of whatever that thong is on top of them created a sound very similar to Dredge coming out of lockers.. Thats bad!
4: People are not really doing objectives or objectives are taking longer because people want the most points from smashing pumpkins and doing void portals!
5: People are abusing/hoarding bloodpoints from this event and as a result Party Streamers and Caked etc are disabled!
6: The game is crashing more than ever resulting in having to always restart the app. Super annoying and a slight turn off!
I cant wait for this event to be over so the game can return to normal! Not as bad as the winter event with the snow men (my goodness that was terrible for killer) but still a bad event imo.
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@gilgamer said:
In just the last day I played with someone who had over 4k hours and someone with like 360. People play sweatier because of mmr and it's for zero reason honestly.
How do people know how many hours someone has played? Is this something pc exclusive where you can get this data on someone?
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@HaunterofShadows said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3233134#Comment_3233134
Not really. It just seems more rare because there's one killer to every 4 survivors
Actually when you, i or anyone else ques in a game the % of the killer dc is much less in ratio!
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@Deathstroke said:
I have seen lot of killers dc more now. Yesterday had multiple matches a row killer dc:ing when they were losing. Survivor dc:ing seems to be about same than before.
Its rare that killers dc!
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Your right op it does have to do with ego! If someone dc's it can possibly chain bc people may feel the match is already over in a 3 vs 1 and dare i say very few are justified because the main reason ppl dc from the way i see it is because of bad team mates!
I think bad team mates are the #1 reason for dc's!
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I play both sided but i main killer and what that means is that if something were on the line ($$$) or a tournament ($$$) i would 100% play killer and never use survivor!
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@TotemSeeker91 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3219520#Comment_3219520
I mean you're right, it's not a problem...at all
Haha nice try! ....Its not a problem "for me" because i will just leave the room! Its as simple as that!
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@TotemSeeker91 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3219266#Comment_3219266
I mean, the obsession claws literally shake when you get into a chase with them, if you can't figure that out, that's a you problem
Theres no "problem" at all because im just not gonna ever play in a match against them! Thrres also nothing to figure out here!
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@Devil_hit11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3219306#Comment_3219306
the reason why this is not happening were not good was because skill-checks were unrewarding to land. Hyperfocus makes great skill-checks rewarding to land which makes hyperfocus more consistent. its injured condition is same condition used for resilience. landing great skill-check is generator progression, they added drawback to rushing generator with perks with injured condition.
Yeah hence my build but its still not a good build. Also the conditions wont be met "all" the time since there are some matches where you arent injured the majority of the match (two teamates coming to heal etc)
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@TotemSeeker91 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3218959#Comment_3218959
... it's just for fun, we aren't out to make the killers life miserable, I mean, if we are matching, the killer will have an easier time because we are switching off of our main characters, me and my friend are always trying to meme around and have fun with the killer, not at all trying to make their life miserable
The killer absolutely will not have "an easier time" because we sometimes use obsession perks and it makes not putting someone in the endurance status effect harder. Who you main or not has nothing to do with this...
You are not doing any good to the killer by doing this you are only making it unhealthy!
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@Chaos999 said:
If I suspect a hard game I'll just load into my strong build.
If I'm in a weak killer I know I can't perform, so be it.
Life's too short to be afraid to lose on a video game.
I see! I haven't nor will i ever join they're games and if im doing bloodweb and don't get my op add-on(s) i will leave the room.
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@TotemSeeker91 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3218272#Comment_3218272
Literally when me and my friend join, if there's 2 survivors matching and we can match em, you'd better believe we're doing it, lol
So you really would just be identical to three other people just to screw over the killer in every way possible...What if the killer is using an obsession perk? You dont care right?
So if there are four Chris's or four Claire's you think that's fine and cool?
....wow
@BrightWolf said:
The first time I came across this, I didn't have the foresight enough to dodge and I really should have dodged.
I had three Cheryls and an Ada, the Cheryls all took the same base cosmetic and had the same medkit add-on. Anyway, at some point during the game I had all three of the Cheryls injured and one of them had just been unhooked. In a bout of what I supposed was meant to be planned confusion, they all darted off in the same direction. I managed to down one of them and only once I realised I had gotten the person I was carrying on the hook they died to the entity, they then DC'd.
Anyway, fast-forward to the end game lobby and the two remaining Cheryls abused me to hell and back, calling me a camper, a tunneler and just overall told me I was a bad killer. All I could do was just point out to them that if their intent was to confuse me then they did a good job, because I was confused and because by accident I went after the person they just unhooked they shouldn't be upset that their plan came back and bit them in the ass.
Exactly why i don't waste my time not to add salt to your wounds though. I can go against 4 of the same survivor np but not when they are all identical in every way.
@VoidOfMe said:
y'all so sensitive, omg
"Oh I don't like two davids"
"Oh, I hate claudettes"
"Oh, I can't play with megs"
ffs
Sensitive? You "do" know what were talking about right? No were not talking about two Davids or four Davids or etc we are talking about with 4 Davids with the exact same cosmetics (twins). Why don't people pay attention to what is being said initially!?.....
Anyway...that's gives the killer a disadvantage and its bad bc you are forced to not use an obsession perk for something else but the killer may be reliant on that perk and that's not even taking bad maps into account.
@I_am_Negan said:
Stay and fight I'm not afraid.
Afraid? Lol this has nothing to do with being "afraid" Its smart and sensible to leave a room with identical survivors!
@Pukenplag said:
I personally leave when the game is finished and I'm on the end game screen.
This makes absolutely no sense and has no relevance to what this thread is about.
@KreeG said:
You know I have a strange feeling that the same people saying "I leave when there are Fend/Cladette's in the lobby" or "I leave when there are 2 David's" are the same teammates that I get that suicide on their first hook after going down 10 seconds into their first chase.
You and the person who up voted you and other like you lack comprehension ability it seems because what you said has nothing to do with what this thread is about.
I "said" when "dopplegangers" ie survivors with the same character "and" the exact same cosmetics (outfits) are in a room i leave it. Its in plain language! You people are quick to shoot others down for what they do without "comprehending" or "understanding" what is being said!
For the tenth time i don't care if there are four of the same survivors i don't mind that even when i have obsession perks bc i'll just remember what the obsession has on what i "do" have a problem with is two, three or four of the "exact same" outfits being used and rightfully so!
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@Shroompy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3211051#Comment_3211051
There are leaderboards. They aren't the most accurate thing as the only thing they can track for a specific killer are things relating to achievements. In Sadako's case its applying Condemned to Survivors, which Willie has over 28k. To put that into perspective the next person has 16k.
This also only takes into account players on Steam, but to be honest I don't think theres anyone as dedicated to Sadako on console than Willie is.
Also getting 3 or 4k's all the time really doesn't mean all too much considering the majority of Survivors you verse in pubs aren't great. Even in "high" MMR.
In fact high MMR is basically just the old rank system. There's a soft cap, meaning that say the soft cap is at 1600, well it doesn't matter how high you are. You are going to verse people at 1600 and higher. This information was given by the same group of people who leak things all the time so its pretty safe to assume its accurate.
So what is your point about bringing "Willie" up in comparison to me or other players whether they are on steam or not. Ok he puts alot of time into Sadako so why bring this up again?
Ok so getting 3k and 4k means absolutely nothing according to you because players are still #########! Ok.....again what is the point you are getting at? With this community its either
1: You won or are winning because players are bad at dbd
2: The killer loses because its a bad map or swf but people have ######### egos and or mentalities and message you "you suck at killer baby killer ez etc (judging off of "one" game might i add)
3: Your playing at a low mmr (baby survivors etc)
4: If killer loses at times its bc its swf
and there are other ridiculous menality states that are poor and rigid in this community so you can never metaphorically win because "everyone" has an excuse. Dont even get me into the "your a sweaty try hard" comments.
I win without Condeming survivors most of the time....oh thats right my wins dont matter according to your logic and Sadako is #########...lol smh
This community man i swear, the mentality of this community is so linear and rigid its unbelievable!
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@TheArbiter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3211051#Comment_3211051
I don't know if i can post the link here but there is literally a DBD stats website that tracks as a leaderboard
For what pc players? I highly doubt there could be a overall database leaderboards across all platforms but i could be wrong. Name of player associated with the killer being used and they're overall results? I would love to see that.
@ByeByeQ said:
Sadako is so weak it's pathetic. Whenever anyone asks "Who's the weakest killer in the game?" Some people chime in with Sadako.
The only successful Sadakos I see are running Overcharge, CoB and Merciless Storm or other nasty full slowdown builds.
I do very well with Clown and he is one of my mains, but I can still admit he's a C or D tier killer.
No shes not at all none of you know or seen a top Sadako! Your comment about "the only successful Sadakos "you've seen" run Overcharge etc is limited to just that what you've seen. The builds i run with Sadako are unique and synergize and i wreck with her at least with a 85% win rate. This means i constantly 3 and 4k with her and rarely lose no matter the map!
Clown is one of my killers too and i love Clown but hes still weak and cant be compared to killers like Huntress and Hag at all. I win with Clown and do well but i also lose with him thus lowering my mmr with him. I dont lose with Sadako almost at all and the reason that is is because Sadako is bs! I know how good i am but i also know its the character too.
@GannTM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3211059#Comment_3211059
Yeah you can’t but based off your argument it was all about the “meta,” so you can logically put Slinger at the top because of that. All I’m doing is using your argument for that.
You clearly haven’t seen a good Spirit or Artist if you think they’re below Sadako, Nemesis, and Hag. Spirit is still as strong as before if not she’s even stronger in some situations because her directional audio makes predicting survivors more reliable.
Yeah and at the highest level against high calibur he still isnt nor has he ever been top 5! I've seen good Spirits and Artists the killers are good you just want me to put them S tier or above other killers and i just dont see that because they are not S tier killers.
Hag is in a tier of her own and artist doesnt even come close to being as good as Hag are you kidding me!? Hag gets hits for free, Artist has to work for her hits, big difference!
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@GannTM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3210917#Comment_3210917
So by that logic Slinger is the best killer in the game since Dead Hard (one of the meta’s best perks) is now crap against him.
No thats just "one factor" out of a number that i use to make my assessments or conclusions. Therefore there is no "by that logic"! Slinger even with the old Dead Hard still wasnt even top 5 so your counter point or argument is invalid! Nurse was and will always be the best because of her archetype. Shes blinks through objects which is game breaking. You cant compare Slinger to Nurse at all bc shes in a whole other league!
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@Shroompy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3210962#Comment_3210962
Oh trust me, I've seen many good Sadako players. OnePumpWillie who's the number 1 Sadako I've gone against a few times.
And the reason why he won isn't because of Sadako. Its because he's a decent killer and the average pub team really isn't that hard to deal with, no matter the killer you're playing
Hes the number 1 Sadako? According to and says who? DBD has too big of a player base and there are no indicators (leaderboards etc) to to even measure "the best"!
Its all a popularity contest. Otzdarva for example loved Plague and played alot of Plague and thinks highly of her (much like me with Sadako) but he wont go around saying hes "the best Plague"! No Otz is a very strong Plague user thats all and there are other strong Plagues like otz to a bigger or lesser degree.
As strong as i am with Hag or Sadako or whoever else i play i would never claim to be the best with that killer because dbd for example is not a fighting game where you can measure and or determine skill and other factors.
I 3 and 4k with her all the time and my mmr "with Sadako" is high so the whole "oh the survivors or team wasnt that good" goes out the window. The problem with dbd is that since things like mmr is hidden and there os 0 indicators to measure how good players are its all just hearsay. DBD is a casual game thats why and is not competetive and sadly will never be in e-sports. Thats the truth and a fact!
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@dugman said:
I like Sadako but I wouldn’t put her much above Wraith personally. 🤷♂️
Wraith is good but Sadako is better, leagues better!
@GrimoireWeiss said:
Sadako and Dredge better than Artist, Spirit, Oni... No, just no.
Yes just yes she very much is!
@Shroompy said:
While I do agree that Sadako is definitely better than people give her credit
She aint that much better..
You've never ran into or seen a top Sadako like mines shes ridiculous!
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Its important to understand that the "meta" changes as perks get buffed, nerfed and reworked. Due to perks like Off the Record and Bite the Bullet being common Spirit struggles as she is a sound dependent killer.
Shes A tier for goodness sakes i just put her at the bottom of A tier shes still very good. As far as Artist goes her usage is extremely low and that's because she gets overshadowed by stronger killers. She's good at loops but shes slow like most killers. Shes good too just not in A tier imo.
@ZVom said:
This tierlist, even is very subjective and biased is extremely misleading. Placing Sadako in A+ is nuts, and your comments "Lol crazy" are not changing it by any means. Her power is underwhelming compared to any killer you've put in S/A/B tier.
Placing nightmare in B is just hilarious. These 2 killers should be placed in a category "DO NOT PLAY". The only thing sadako does better than freddy is at sharing her perks. Her perks are solid and great, while Freddy on top of being an absolute trash has absolutely trash perks.
Underwhelming? Her teleport has very little to no cooldown and you are "forced" to insert vhs tapes into the tv's because of condemned. Once fully condemned she gets a notification and your intoxious stared! Now this overall kit with certain builds is outright terrifying because you "have" to interact with the tv's. If you dont she can teleport there. Then even if you "do" reduce your condemned meter she has a perk that shows her the yellow aura of any tv that is turned off "by any means" which means she knows your over there. She also gets a small burst of speed upon emerging from a television which is good.
She can also walk around undetectable (although there is a slight lulluby of sorts) at 4.6 which no other killer can do. I play her at high mmr, no one really survives my Sadako yet i lose with weaker killers at times using the same builds at times and even on disadvantage maps, theres a reason for this! Sadako is strong, people dont know Sadako!
@Irisora said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3209620#Comment_3209620
Facts.. Btw Evan deserves a better tier, if played right and with a bit of luck the trapper can end games really fast.
Trapper isnt higher than C because hes too rng now putting him in C+? I can see that but the reason i put him near the top of C is because most maps created dont have Trapper in mind and these maps are extremely bad for Trapper otherwise in reality hes not that good. His best maps are Yokohoma, MacMillan Estate and "maybe" Elementary School.
@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3209620#Comment_3209620
I have to agree with this, not that im so good with her, but i have seen some people be really insane with her.
I wreck survivor with her 3k and 4king 90% of the time! Sadako is ridiculous!
Read ZVom reply post! Explained.
@WeakestNurseMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3209669#Comment_3209669
A+ Is exactly where Pyramid Head should be, God tier anti loop and God tier tunneling capabilities more than make up for his lack of mobility, gen blocking perks like deadlock and corrupt make him extremely strong.
Its arguable or debatable i'll give you that. The other killers are a little better though because they're not as slow as Pyramid Head!
@Friendly_Blendette said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/348713/killer-tier-list-project-w-edition
Here are my thoughts on it:
Twins are not bottom of A+ more mid A
Sadako is defnitely not mid A+ probably closer to B
Hag isn't top A+ it isnt 2020 anymore
Dredge is more a low A tier
Bubba is still probably A but definitely lower than the likes of PH maybe Nemesis too
Spirit is absurdly low she should be near the top of A+ tier
Billy is not B+ easily mid A
Pinhead is not B+ mid-low A
Why is artist at the bottom of B+ she should be high A+
Legion Ghostface Pig and Trickster are more B
Micheal is C
Clown is C+
Twins? I'll give you that one but my stance on them stands atm.
Sadako is top tier easily not mid tier!
Hag gets hits for free and doesnt need to chase! Her camping game is the best and she is easy to use. Top 3 killer easily! No killer plays the game like Hag does and she takes players out of they're element. Your right its not 2020 anymore its 2022 and Hag is bullshit! lol
Spirit is not "absurly low" you are overexagerating! She in A tier and she definitely isnt S!
Billy? I'll give you that, its debatable for sure.
Pinhead should maybe move up in that tier but hes not A.
Artist is overrated. If she was so "top tier" she would be used more. People play all those killers above her but they dont really play Artist, theres a reason for that.
Legion, Pig, Ghostface and Trickster suck compared to the other killers. Especially Pig, shes horrible imo.
Myers is better than Clown!
Whats so funny!? There is no "large margin" Doctor is "one tier" above Artist.
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@GannTM said:
Spirit and Artist are waaaaay too low my god.
Spirit and Artist being "way too low" would mean they would be in C tier, they arent and they certainly arent S tier so they are too low at all.
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Why do people think Sadako is so weak? Lol crazy!
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@WeakestNurseMain said:
Really strange list, there's a lot wrong here: For starters, Sadako, Trickster, and the Artist are placed far away from where they truly should be.
- Trickster has solid anti-loop, and is compatible with a lot of perks due to his ability to zone into an M1.
- Sadako is Sadako, nuff said.
- Artist on an Autohaven map is almost guaranteed death.
Nemesis, Dredge, and Bubba are way too high.
Legion, Pinhead, Spirit, and Pyramid Head are way too low.
Trickster is ok nothing to run home about!
Sadako is really strong! Artist is good, shes where she should be.
Nemesis, Leatherface and "especially" Dredge are all below the top killers. They are good.
Legion is not great and Spirits usability went down bc of indirect nerfs. Pyramid head is strong and should not be higher. You think he should be A+?
@WeakestNurseMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3209620#Comment_3209620
Have you considered that your average team is fallible, and stacking strong regression and addons wins you a lot of games regardless of killer you're playing, this is the same reason why people think basekit Nurse needs nerfing.
I streak with Sadako and as a result my mmr is high with her, i know what im talking about!
Also your final comment is not true at all. Weak and weaker killers are that for a reason. Best or strongest add-ons are taken into consideration when i make my tier lists!
@prion11 said:
what the heck is this lmao?
bubba above pyramid head?? SADAKO IN A TIER???????/ spirit that low? trickster the worst killer in the game? did you make this randomly? I think the only correct placements are nurse and blight lol
Sadako is a very strong killer easily! Trickster is the weakest killer in the game doesnt mean hes "bad" he "is" noticeably weaker then the rest though.
I cant take your comment seriously!
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Sadako is very strong! You people are not using the right add-ons and perks with her.
You just dont know shes actually really cheap!
I've been playing her for months and rarely lose with her! My win % is about 85-90% with her. I do great with Sadako and thus i naturally i have a stronger opinion about her than most people.
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@Xernoton said:
I play Hillbilly and other killers they don't see that often with builds that are either weak and require me to really outperform to win or that are more creative with perks that nobody runs.
Cool and thank you!
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@Beatricks said:
Bloodpoints For Everyone Bubba:
Speed limiter, Hex:Plaything, Beast of Prey, Distressing, Sloppy Butcher.
Sigma Legion Grindset:
Brutal, Enduring, Spirit Fury, Bamboozle
Forget The Gens Pig:
Hex:Plaything, Pentimento, Corrupt, Merciless Storm
There's also Backpack Nurse/Blight (it's legit scary how many games you can win because survivors don't expect that off meta build) and STBFL oriented builds, even on killers where that doesn't really work (Wraith etc) paired up with Make Your Choice to minimize stack loss.
I have a serious question for you regarding Pig! Do you think Pig is good and when you play her how do you do and with what builds?
I played her with Spirit Fury/Enduring/STBFL/Brutal Strength and i lost with only one kill. Not just that game but i don't do to well with her in general and out of the 14 killers i play i do the worst with her.
Why? What's your take on Pig? I think shes absolutely terrible and the weakest killer in DBD right now which is crazy to me.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/348349/hook-suicide-really-needs-to-be-dealt-with
played a game last day, where 2 of our team mates were a 2man swf, every time i unhooked them, they ran straigt for the killer.
I guess this is a way to DC with no penalty
I never got why people do this. You get unhooked be extra cautious and be careful especially if your on death hook but no they run straight to where the killer is loud and all lol.
So funny man!