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@ToxicFengM1n said:
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@Aven_Fallen said:
@White_Owl said:
Buff? Can you guys read?He cant.
He seems like a person who only thinks that removing that Perk or making it completely useless is the only thing to do. And he is not understanding that both is not really an option.
The change is fine, a good redesign.
Ah yes, putting words in my mouth cuz you're too stupid to understand how this is a huge buff, and extremely unhealthy. We had easy fixes to the perk that they ignored to just buff it instead.
You know what, EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS A BUFF, please I would love to know, is it because you tunnel?
Once again, I don't tunnel. I know it's hard for you to understand that, but I don't tunnel since that's all you're spamming cuz you're desperate to prove I'm just a toxic killer. Also, tunneling doesn't exist. My job is to kill survivors, not be their imaginary friend.
Gen tapping? Totally fine. Dribbling? Removed. Slug them 4head! They start running Unbreakabill, and slugging got nerfed so they just got to 95% and get picked up before 60s passes while other survivors do gens/waste the killers time. Down someone that got hooked end-game? Hope you like eating DS and losing champ. :^) Also, the super easy to hit skillcheck is now even easier to hit. 4 people can now reliably run DS without any penalty or worry.
How is this not a buff?
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@ThGameIsHardButSoAmI said:
the stun got nerfed from 4 to 3 seconds, you cant use it on your first down, you can only use it for 60 seconds and after you get unhooked. it's not a buff...No more non-obs DS, meaning no more struggling to get it. Everyone just gets it. 1s, wow, that totally stops them from continuing a loop or getting to a jungle gym to extend the chase. It's still a TON of pressure removed. Everyone is going to run DS now. Slug? Cool, they're all running Unbreakable or getting to 95% and picked up cuz they nerfed slugging.
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@Delfador said:
@Caretaker said:
Ah yes, putting words in my mouth cuz you're too stupid to understand how this is a huge buff, and extremely unhealthy. We had easy fixes to the perk that they ignored to just buff it instead.
No need to insult buddy, calm down.
Once again. I'm calm.
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
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@Pizzaman said:
OMG people going through the roof, even though they didn't even understand what the new DS does.Classic moments like this are why I'm visiting this forum.
How hard it is to read? Y'all keep doing this crap where you just throw out, "WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS!" It's not rocket science.
You'll never get hit by ds if you don't tunnel. Always go for unhooker bam you wont be ds
Ah yes, 4 people run DS. That's 4 minutes I've lost. That's a full game. There is no reason someone should just be safe for 60s. I shouldn't be punished for playing the god damn game.
Its not time loss to go from one survivor to the next ######### are you talking about?
I got into a chase. Down someone. 2 gens pop cuz they're smart. Hook them. Chase someone else, another gen pops cuz they got a good rng map and looped me. Someone gets downed. I could chase them for added pressure and get someone out so I have a chance.
Stop with these made up rules. Seriously. It's not tunneling, I'm doing my job. 5 gens pop in 3 minutes. Tee hee, genrushing isn't real, they're just playing the game. Me killing you, is me playing the game. Stop.
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@White_Owl said:
Buff? Can you guys read?Apparently you can't.
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@I_am_Negan said:
@Caretaker said:
Ah yes. Don't go for the injured survivor cuz you're all entitled children who think you DESERVE to live. You mess up I'm going to kill you. That's my job. This is a huge buff. 4 people can now reliably run DS. They're now safe for 60s. Slugging got hard nerfed. You can no longer Dribble. God survivor mains are inept.It's alright relax inhale
I'm fine chief. > @ToxicFengM1n said:
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
You could take enduring and practically make it useless
Enduring doesn't counter DS. I don't get why you people think this, but no, it doesn't.
Enduring reduces the timer you are stunned, so yeah, it kinda is a counter
Counter means removal. As in stops it. It doesn't stop it.
Kinda a counter
Soft counter, sure.
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@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Caretaker said:
@Pizzaman said:
OMG people going through the roof, even though they didn't even understand what the new DS does.Classic moments like this are why I'm visiting this forum.
How hard it is to read? Y'all keep doing this crap where you just throw out, "WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS!" It's not rocket science.
You'll never get hit by ds if you don't tunnel. Always go for unhooker bam you wont be ds
Ah yes, 4 people run DS. That's 4 minutes I've lost. That's a full game. There is no reason someone should just be safe for 60s. I shouldn't be punished for playing the god damn game.
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@Kenshin said:
as long as enduring works against it its fine. if not this is a huge buff to survivors. just think of the endgame. also its a better BT.What ######### end-game? Where 4 people pocket DS with BT and Unbreakable so they all get out for free and remove any chance you had of having an endgame?
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@Pizzaman said:
OMG people going through the roof, even though they didn't even understand what the new DS does.Classic moments like this are why I'm visiting this forum.
How hard it is to read? Y'all keep doing this crap where you just throw out, "WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS!" It's not rocket science.
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Caretaker said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
You could take enduring and practically make it uselessEnduring doesn't counter DS. I don't get why you people think this, but no, it doesn't.
Enduring reduces the timer you are stunned, so yeah, it kinda is a counter
Counter means removal. As in stops it. It doesn't stop it.
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Ah yes. Don't go for the injured survivor cuz you're all entitled children who think you DESERVE to live. You mess up I'm going to kill you. That's my job. This is a huge buff. 4 people can now reliably run DS. They're now safe for 60s. Slugging got hard nerfed. You can no longer Dribble. God survivor mains are inept.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
You could take enduring and practically make it uselessEnduring doesn't counter DS. I don't get why you people think this, but no, it doesn't.
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@xChrisx said:
Dont tunnel. EzYea, let me lose 60s of time on a survivor cuz you guys are idiots and farmed him off the hook. Once again, survivors get massive buffs, a braindead perk is made stronger, and easier to use, but no. Killers are the problem here. "THIS WILL HELP KILLERS NOT WASTE TIME SO WE MADE IT EASIER TO STACK 4 AND YOU CAN'T DRIBBLE!"
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Have a survivor version.
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If any confusion, I'm the NOED. Hate using it, but I'll be damned if it doesn't get me a few kills after my gens pop in three minutes.
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It's been that way since forever. Health/Injured can be grabbed, but not dying.
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The buff is Frank's built-in while injured. Which again, why would I heal? I've got 3 chances on the hook, it doesn't stop moonwalking, it adds minor stall assuming people heal. It doesn't fix anything.
@red, Don't gens go from white to yellow at 50, then red at 75 meaning it's still not good? Either way I'd never use it. It's just bad imo.
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@redsopine01 said:
Caretaker said:Played Legion for most of yesterday since they released. I've played at rank 1, gotten Adept, and a few quad iris/perfect matches. I watched people play against them, and listened to my friends play. Watched tons of videos and streams from multiple people in the community. I can post my screenshots if needed as well.
For positives: I think they're honestly one of the most fun killers they've ever made so bravo. I love the aesthetic, how they're power works, the cosmetics are great. They're point gains are insane, and he excels when it comes to emblems that some other killers struggle to obtain.
For negatives: Deep Wounds was changed to something a friend of mine suggested, but it wasn't implemented right. DW stopping at 99% just ruins any pressure it would've had if they'd just let it down you regardless. Just add a few seconds more to let people mend and if you don't, you go down. His power can't be used to down anyone unless you want to waste so much time. Which is something killers do not have against a team that wants to rush. Also 4 hits? Jesus.
His end-game is non-existent and there are so many perks that flat out don't work on him. Sure Thanata gets use again, but it's still a bad perk in desperate need of some love. Also, their power is made to multi-tag survivors but most of the time you just fatigue before you can even get the second hit making it a waste of time to chase if they're too far. On larger maps you have nothing you can really do because you're a 110 killer. You can't cover ground, and every chase is extended even on unsafe loops. Smart players will just loop you.
Not only are most perks bad on them, so are most of the addons. The only good ones are Cold Dirt, Frank's Mix Tape, and that's about it. Duration is kinda helpful for mult-tagging assuming you're in range, and speed isn't really noticeable. Stab Wounds Study is worthless, they're Iris are god awful, and one is a copy of Wraith's All-Seeing Blood but worse. So you really can't say just use addons, cuz only a purple addon can, or a combo. Cold Dirt & Frank's.
Most people are saying they're the worst killer in the game, but I think he has potential. I'm not saying they'll be crawling out of low tier, but they're not the worst. Especially with the above combo I mentioned. However, no killer should rely on addons. I'm a purist I don't like running addons. I would much prefer a gimped addon for a bit of boost and be powerful and fun at base.
To buff them I feel like Frank's Mix Tape should be baseline, possibly even Cold Dirt. Frank's Mix Tape makes it so Frenzy is a 3-hit down, not 4. Cold Dirt makes your fatigue a slight bit shorter. Honestly just adding in Frank's Mix Tape would fix 90% of they're problems and make their power actually put down some pressure. Devs have stated they want fast chases, Legion could have those.
People don't like the cut chase, bleed out, down with Frenzy. This would make it a much more active use of his power. Frenzy, hit, swap targets if possible, if not hit again, fatigue, chase, build power, Frenzy, down. You can counter this by baiting pallets, running out they're power, a decent loop will stall even despite the increased Frenzy speed.
Frank's Mix Tape makes them feel like an actual killer. Cold Dirt is a huge QOL addon, but again I'd be totally happy with just the mix tape base. Using it made it feel like their description, I felt like I could really chase people down and I was active all game. Not just waiting out mend times to down. They still got gens, they still powered the gates, because they played smart. Devs please let us have a strong killer, this change would make him a solid mid-tier that you can still deal with.
The only other problem is finding a way to boost him so he can actually traverse the map and patrol because 110 ruins him for that. It just rips your pressure away. I'm not sure how to fix it honestly the addons don't. Maybe every fresh DW application gives a stacking speed boost? Idk, but he needs something for patrol and he'd be amazing, and fun to play against instead of a minor annoyance.
You forgot feral mixtape that is a god on legion as most people.when they play against him split up for the rest of the game and feral shows gen progress when your in frenzy
Uhh, I mentioned Fuming, and it's terrible. You would never use Frenzy to track or find someone like that.
Also, wanna add on to the changes that I forgot to mention. Remove the moonwalk strat. Make it so within x meter radius your bleedout doesn't go down. This way you could avoid Legion, and not worry about that cheese.> @SasukeKun said:
@Caretaker said:
Played Legion for most of yesterday since they released. I've played at rank 1, gotten Adept, and a few quad iris/perfect matches. I watched people play against them, and listened to my friends play. Watched tons of videos and streams from multiple people in the community. I can post my screenshots if needed as well.For positives: I think they're honestly one of the most fun killers they've ever made so bravo. I love the aesthetic, how they're power works, the cosmetics are great. They're point gains are insane, and he excels when it comes to emblems that some other killers struggle to obtain.
For negatives: Deep Wounds was changed to something a friend of mine suggested, but it wasn't implemented right. DW stopping at 99% just ruins any pressure it would've had if they'd just let it down you regardless. Just add a few seconds more to let people mend and if you don't, you go down. His power can't be used to down anyone unless you want to waste so much time. Which is something killers do not have against a team that wants to rush. Also 4 hits? Jesus.
His end-game is non-existent and there are so many perks that flat out don't work on him. Sure Thanata gets use again, but it's still a bad perk in desperate need of some love. Also, their power is made to multi-tag survivors but most of the time you just fatigue before you can even get the second hit making it a waste of time to chase if they're too far. On larger maps you have nothing you can really do because you're a 110 killer. You can't cover ground, and every chase is extended even on unsafe loops. Smart players will just loop you.
Not only are most perks bad on them, so are most of the addons. The only good ones are Cold Dirt, Frank's Mix Tape, and that's about it. Duration is kinda helpful for mult-tagging assuming you're in range, and speed isn't really noticeable. Stab Wounds Study is worthless, they're Iris are god awful, and one is a copy of Wraith's All-Seeing Blood but worse. So you really can't say just use addons, cuz only a purple addon can, or a combo. Cold Dirt & Frank's.
Most people are saying they're the worst killer in the game, but I think he has potential. I'm not saying they'll be crawling out of low tier, but they're not the worst. Especially with the above combo I mentioned. However, no killer should rely on addons. I'm a purist I don't like running addons. I would much prefer a gimped addon for a bit of boost and be powerful and fun at base.
To buff them I feel like Frank's Mix Tape should be baseline, possibly even Cold Dirt. Frank's Mix Tape makes it so Frenzy is a 3-hit down, not 4. Cold Dirt makes your fatigue a slight bit shorter. Honestly just adding in Frank's Mix Tape would fix 90% of they're problems and make their power actually put down some pressure. Devs have stated they want fast chases, Legion could have those.
People don't like the cut chase, bleed out, down with Frenzy. This would make it a much more active use of his power. Frenzy, hit, swap targets if possible, if not hit again, fatigue, chase, build power, Frenzy, down. You can counter this by baiting pallets, running out they're power, a decent loop will stall even despite the increased Frenzy speed.
Frank's Mix Tape makes them feel like an actual killer. Cold Dirt is a huge QOL addon, but again I'd be totally happy with just the mix tape base. Using it made it feel like their description, I felt like I could really chase people down and I was active all game. Not just waiting out mend times to down. They still got gens, they still powered the gates, because they played smart. Devs please let us have a strong killer, this change would make him a solid mid-tier that you can still deal with.
The only other problem is finding a way to boost him so he can actually traverse the map and patrol because 110 ruins him for that. It just rips your pressure away. I'm not sure how to fix it honestly the addons don't. Maybe every fresh DW application gives a stacking speed boost? Idk, but he needs something for patrol and he'd be amazing, and fun to play against instead of a minor annoyance.
i feel the pain, I'm p2 50 with Legion rn and it's just the struggle every match. I feel like once they were released like they are now and people got a feel, they just became so un reliable.
My biggest flaws i think is; Frenzy is too slow overall, 4 hits? WHO CAME UP with that? and yes they have ZERO end game. The way the game works, they just are not balanced..Everything you have to do because of their design wastes too much time because you can do literally nothing against rushing teams.
Then all the little [BAD WORD] groups think they are skilled when they beat Legion. It's like boasting because you got away from freddy lol get real
Yea, this is a huge problem, and speed addons don't add much. Duration is REALLY good on Legion.
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@akbays35 said:
@Caretaker said:
@Broosmeister said:
Legion isn't a bad killer. But he's annoying and no fun to play against. Whenever i play vs legion i just want to leave. Not in the mood to spend 80% of the game mending & healing.No, he's a bad killer. If he wasn't you wouldn't waste the game mending/healing. Also, you don't heal against a Legion.
That is actually a misconception, you should heal if you get the opportunity. If you stay wounded they can just focus you down or slug and hey it's free bloodpoints unless he has sloppy butcher. I usually grab Resilience just to counter him either way.
Adrenaline works fine. Gens will be done in 3m anyway.
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@redsopine01 said:
So to clarify does that mean repeatedly down in with the powerHit someone with Frenzy, activate killer instinct which is where you can see heartbeats. Now, down someone who already has DW applied.
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@Broosmeister said:
Legion isn't a bad killer. But he's annoying and no fun to play against. Whenever i play vs legion i just want to leave. Not in the mood to spend 80% of the game mending & healing.No, he's a bad killer. If he wasn't you wouldn't waste the game mending/healing. Also, you don't heal against a Legion.
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@Bravo0413 said:
Caretaker said:@Bravo0413 said:
Caretaker said:
@Bravo0413 said: alivebydeadight said:
@Bravo0413 said: Caretaker said:
@alivebydeadight said:
@Avariku said:
I don't know about "right where the devs wanted him" as even they have admitted he needs some tweaks, but he's definitely not as bad as some would have us believe. they are a good killer, but people just cannot seem to play them right I hate this excuse so much. I legit hate this. Legion is a bad killer. Plain and simple. He doesn't even follow his own lore. Constantly saying people just don't know how to play him excuses poor designs, and just lets the devs ignore issues with killers.
So much this /... the legion is horribly designed.... when you can get a free hit (prettymuch) and then cheese a chase to get someone down that is horrible on the devs part... breaths in free hit yet you can 360 them still and mind game them still, yes totally a free hit
Again with this 360... if the killer uses frenzy it doesn't matter there is no outplay.... no cooldown on missed attacks nothin, along with after hitting and triggering deep wounds you can cheese the chase by simply not looking at the survivor.... just follow the blood and wait for the survivor to drop... it is horrible and unfun design and something of the sort shouldnt be possible in the game and if it is it should be a border line punish if chosen to do... There's plenty of counterplay, people are just lazy and don't want to figure it out. They also act like DW is the end all be all. You can still avoid Legion.> @akbays35 said: One of the good things about Legion is how he counters strong healing survivor perks and most exhaustion perks. Survivors really only have the option to gen rush. He counters none of those, what? We'll Make It is still strong, Adren is still meta especially against him. You can technically SC, but why bother he can't down you with his power. BK is the only thing that really doesn't matter.
Oh okay theres a counter to the great cheese that is chase but not in chase... please tell me!! What is the counter to this horrible design?
It's this crazy thing called, stealth. LOS. Etc.
Oooh stealth yeah... the only thing is with the cheese the leagion isnt really gonna be wanting to look at you anyways... their going to be looking at the ground and watching the blood as the bar tics down..... "forehead"
I've lost plenty of Legions, even ones trying that strat. Also, you get caught that's on you.
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@Bravo0413 said:
Caretaker said:@Bravo0413 said:
alivebydeadight said:
@Bravo0413 said: Caretaker said:
@alivebydeadight said:
@Avariku said:
I don't know about "right where the devs wanted him" as even they have admitted he needs some tweaks, but he's definitely not as bad as some would have us believe. they are a good killer, but people just cannot seem to play them right I hate this excuse so much. I legit hate this. Legion is a bad killer. Plain and simple. He doesn't even follow his own lore. Constantly saying people just don't know how to play him excuses poor designs, and just lets the devs ignore issues with killers.
So much this /... the legion is horribly designed.... when you can get a free hit (prettymuch) and then cheese a chase to get someone down that is horrible on the devs part... breaths in free hit yet you can 360 them still and mind game them still, yes totally a free hit
Again with this 360... if the killer uses frenzy it doesn't matter there is no outplay.... no cooldown on missed attacks nothin, along with after hitting and triggering deep wounds you can cheese the chase by simply not looking at the survivor.... just follow the blood and wait for the survivor to drop... it is horrible and unfun design and something of the sort shouldnt be possible in the game and if it is it should be a border line punish if chosen to do...
There's plenty of counterplay, people are just lazy and don't want to figure it out. They also act like DW is the end all be all. You can still avoid Legion.> @akbays35 said:
One of the good things about Legion is how he counters strong healing survivor perks and most exhaustion perks. Survivors really only have the option to gen rush.
He counters none of those, what? We'll Make It is still strong, Adren is still meta especially against him. You can technically SC, but why bother he can't down you with his power. BK is the only thing that really doesn't matter.
Oh okay theres a counter to the great cheese that is chase but not in chase... please tell me!! What is the counter to this horrible design?
It's this crazy thing called, stealth. LOS. Etc.
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@Bravo0413 said:
alivebydeadight said:@Bravo0413 said:
Caretaker said:
@alivebydeadight said:
@Avariku said:
I don't know about "right where the devs wanted him" as even they have admitted he needs some tweaks, but he's definitely not as bad as some would have us believe. they are a good killer, but people just cannot seem to play them right I hate this excuse so much. I legit hate this. Legion is a bad killer. Plain and simple. He doesn't even follow his own lore. Constantly saying people just don't know how to play him excuses poor designs, and just lets the devs ignore issues with killers.
So much this /... the legion is horribly designed.... when you can get a free hit (prettymuch) and then cheese a chase to get someone down that is horrible on the devs part...
breaths in free hit yet you can 360 them still and mind game them still, yes totally a free hit
Again with this 360... if the killer uses frenzy it doesn't matter there is no outplay.... no cooldown on missed attacks nothin, along with after hitting and triggering deep wounds you can cheese the chase by simply not looking at the survivor.... just follow the blood and wait for the survivor to drop... it is horrible and unfun design and something of the sort shouldnt be possible in the game and if it is it should be a border line punish if chosen to do...
There's plenty of counterplay, people are just lazy and don't want to figure it out. They also act like DW is the end all be all. You can still avoid Legion.> @akbays35 said:
One of the good things about Legion is how he counters strong healing survivor perks and most exhaustion perks. Survivors really only have the option to gen rush.
He counters none of those, what? We'll Make It is still strong, Adren is still meta especially against him. You can technically SC, but why bother he can't down you with his power. BK is the only thing that really doesn't matter.
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He doesn't have the duration to deal with how big these maps are. You say spread pain, but at the same time people just spread and rush your gens anyway. So you're forced to tunnel. People don't tunnel/camp because he's strong.
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@alivebydeadight said:
@Bravo0413 said:
Caretaker said:@alivebydeadight said:
@Avariku said:
I don't know about "right where the devs wanted him" as even they have admitted he needs some tweaks, but he's definitely not as bad as some would have us believe.
they are a good killer, but people just cannot seem to play them right
I hate this excuse so much. I legit hate this. Legion is a bad killer. Plain and simple. He doesn't even follow his own lore. Constantly saying people just don't know how to play him excuses poor designs, and just lets the devs ignore issues with killers.
So much this /... the legion is horribly designed.... when you can get a free hit (prettymuch) and then cheese a chase to get someone down that is horrible on the devs part...
breaths in free hit yet you can 360 them still and mind game them still, yes totally a free hit
Their power needs actual power. They have no patrol, pressure, anything outside of a possible free first hit. After that you chase at 110 or cheese, and that cheese is boring as hell.
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@alivebydeadight said:
@Avariku said:
I don't know about "right where the devs wanted him" as even they have admitted he needs some tweaks, but he's definitely not as bad as some would have us believe.they are a good killer, but people just cannot seem to play them right
I hate this excuse so much. I legit hate this. Legion is a bad killer. Plain and simple. He doesn't even follow his own lore. Constantly saying people just don't know how to play him excuses poor designs, and just lets the devs ignore issues with killers.
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It's stupid hard to do, I recommend farming it or adding duration/sticking on a survivor.
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I've been asking everyone I know that's dealt with Frank's Mix Tape how they fared. Pretty much every single one escaped. Maybe 1, possibly 2 deaths, especially if they camped, but they had no issues. Just said it was an intense game sorta like going against Nurse. Just gotta play differently, stealth, etc. A lot better than Legion's just cheesing the bleedout which Frank's would encourage them not to do. Considering that's the main thing people don't like I don't see the problem.
All he has is chase, and weak stall. That's it. Why can't he just excel at chases? He can't track, he loses tracking when Frenzying. You can still multi-hit. God forbid people stealth, or try to bait pallets, or try something new. You get 6 hits, 9 with Franks, and 3 hooks each. That's plenty of time to do gens and escape. Sure someone might die, maybe two, but isn't that the point? Isn't that the balance they want?
I also remember the devs stating they want chases to end quickly. They shouldn't be dragging out. Don't see why a killer who excels at chasing is such an issue when we bring up ending them quickly.
Edit: Make it so TR stops the bleedout timer to prevent people moonwalk cheesing.
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@Eul said:
Caretaker said:@Eul said:
Spirit is not op. I ran one around earlier and never went down. I ran No Mither too. Survivors refuse to adapt/figure out how they play. See some using Prayer Beads and say she's unstoppable. She's easily avoided, and another 110 killer. Don't get baited by mind games and you're good.
Spirit is op now lol, beat her in mind game? When spirit's power makes her almost twice faster than survivors, even faster than the sprint perk.
If you know how to play spirit properly, you can literally beat any skilled survivors in mind game since her movement speed is ridiculously fast and makes her invisible. Yea spirit also cant see survivors but it really doesn't matter cus spirit will have much more information in invisible mind game(Sounds, movement of grass, blood and footsteps.)
It seems like killers in NA server just doesn't know how to play her tbh, cus around EA(east asai), Spirit and nurse is the most common killer you will be matched and just breaking the game near 1 ranks But yes, you have to get used to her power and get skilled. She requires much more skill and experience than nurse or any other killers.
Tho that doesn't make her not op haha
Or here's a thought. You're bad and don't want to admit it so you cry she's op. I have multiple perfect games, quad iris, and play her addonless at rank 1. I know how to play her, it's why I know how to beat her. Shocking right? It's almost like experience with a killer shows you how to deal with them. My god.
Also, you can't see blood when phasing, so you're wrong there. Not without an UR, and it's bad. Not every map has grass to use to see, and you can use it against her. Also, she can't run faster than Sprint Burst, she's 126% speed while phasing without MS addons, so again. Maybe you should actually play her then you'd know what you're talking about and be able to counter her.
Said it once, say it again. Make Cold Dirt and Frank's Mix Tape base, and rework those addons. He'd be a solid mid-tier killer, and fun to play. Wanna counter him? Bait pallets/stun them. Survivors camp them enough anyway, about time you get punished for it.
What kind of idiot plays the killer without add ons?? 😂 you are being ridiculous. Plus now i see the reason why spirit and nurse isn't getting any nerfs here. Cus ppl just don't know how to play it and think they are just a 'Good' killers when they are dominating the game in a way they shouldn't be.
Good Job NASorry you guys are bad at a video game. We'll keep on countering killers you fail to go against. Also, I play without addons chief. Git gud.
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@Eul said:
PigNRun said:
Eul said:Spirit is not op. I ran one around earlier and never went down. I ran No Mither too. Survivors refuse to adapt/figure out how they play. See some using Prayer Beads and say she's unstoppable. She's easily avoided, and another 110 killer. Don't get baited by mind games and you're good.
Spirit is op now lol, beat her in mind game? When spirit's power makes her almost twice faster than survivors, even faster than the sprint perk.
If you know how to play spirit properly, you can literally beat any skilled survivors in mind game since her movement speed is ridiculously fast and makes her invisible. Yea spirit also cant see survivors but it really doesn't matter cus spirit will have much more information in invisible mind game(Sounds, movement of grass, blood and footsteps.)It seems like killers in NA server just doesn't know how to play her tbh, cus around EA(east asai), Spirit and nurse is the most common killer you will be matched and just breaking the game near 1 ranks
But yes, you have to get used to her power and get skilled. She requires much more skill and experience than nurse or any other killers.
Tho that doesn't make her not op hahaFor someone who deals with Spirit so much over East Asai, its interesting how you still haven't learned to counter her. Especially considering how her counter was literally stated by yourself in this post.
Yea that's what they say, Counter spirit! Beat her in Mind game! Counter nurse with stealth game play style....😂😂😂
It's really not hard to do.
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This is probably the worst achievement they have ever designed. I'm in awe.
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@annonymous said:
@Caretaker said:
@annonymous said:
@Maximus7 said:
Please give me a screenshot of someone saying they want 4k's every game. Please, do that for me.
idk why i wasted so much time doing this, but looking for 1 specific post from oct/nov of the guy who claimed he would "balance the game in favor of killers and make it near impossible for survivors to win and should be a blessing if they do" is in itself.. impossible. the devs on the steam forums banned/deleted posts from people left and right and atm i cant find the thread that far back sadly. -if it still exists-
btw, the proof of free 4ks is in the fact killers want hatch removed. but here you go. one about a balance someone mentioned they would do, one about the ptb hatch
2 screenshots, oooweee damn. Also, hatch is a problem so, not sure why it's a problem to close it? Why should you get a free win for being beaten?
why should you get a free kill with no effort? the survivors are screwed once 1 person dies/disconnects/doesnt load in. on top of that, survivors have 0 chance to live if the hatch closes. not unless your somehow a god. if the gates were to close permanently -which ALOT of people would apparently love to have as killers with no other escapes-, your literally asking for free kills with no escape. in alot of horrors btw, someone usually escapes. asking for no one to escape without a 4 man SWF group is going to make the game 100% impossible to beat. especially without items to use.
asking for a killer to be on the same level/more powerful than a tombstone myers, hillbilly or nurse is again, ludicrous. and saying that the guy on the reddit forum doesnt know balance? guess what? ALOT OF KILLER MAINS ASK FOR RIDICULOUS ONE SIDED KILLER BUFFS LIKE THIS! both are asking for 4ks without an effort by having such buffs/escape routes taken away.
if your going to want more powerful killers, not only will no one play as survivor exept SWF groups but your going to have a higher ratio of killer than survivors as it is now since the 2.3 update.
on top of that, alot of people also ask for ds, adrenaline, sprint burst, deliverance and nearly all of the perks for survivors to be removed as well as items and pallets in general for them because "too op" yet heres a killer, legion, who is your guys's saving grace of EVERYTHING killers ask/beg for between vaulting pallets to closing in on survivors and stoping loops is now suddenly "garbage" because most people dont want to find a set up that works for him and you. you, like many others, want another nurse and hillbilly. are you TRYING to make the game nearly unplayable by survivors?
good job btw on saying that "no fatigue after frenzy is too strong" CONSIDERING NURSE BREAKS EVERYTHING IN THE GAME! or did you FORGET THAT
Reeeeeeee is all I read.
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@ScottJund said:
I'm sorry but have you ever played Survivor against Frank's mixtape? It is literally the most non-interactive boring ######### in this entire game. You get hit by an unavoidable frenzy hit, they wait 12 seconds for cooldown, then hit you again with an unavoidable frenzy hit and you go down.You have to be crazy to think that has to be baseline.
I forgot you can't bait pallets or stun them. Rip my idea. I guess only Nurse or Billy is allowed to do it.
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@annonymous said:
@Maximus7 said:
Please give me a screenshot of someone saying they want 4k's every game. Please, do that for me.
idk why i wasted so much time doing this, but looking for 1 specific post from oct/nov of the guy who claimed he would "balance the game in favor of killers and make it near impossible for survivors to win and should be a blessing if they do" is in itself.. impossible. the devs on the steam forums banned/deleted posts from people left and right and atm i cant find the thread that far back sadly. -if it still exists-
btw, the proof of free 4ks is in the fact killers want hatch removed. but here you go. one about a balance someone mentioned they would do, one about the ptb hatch
2 screenshots, oooweee damn. Also, hatch is a problem so, not sure why it's a problem to close it? Why should you get a free win for being beaten?
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@annonymous said:
@Caretaker said:
@annonymous said:
@Maximus7 said:
annonymous said:sorry, idc how many hours you have on this game. if you cant even understand how beneficial his ability is on top of how to utilize it without smacking people 1000 times in frenzy, then your a bad as monto who used good add-ons yet kept frenzying people to down them. frenzying once, chasing then stoping his frenzy after 1 hit to down them with the 2nd hit as you would a normal killer is a much more effective way to down people.
This entire paragraph is hilarious. You keep thinking whatever, dude. It's obvious you wouldn't listen to what I have to say anyway.
because you, like many others, think you have to be in frenzy to down people and you dont. frenzy is for closing in large gaps, hitting multiple people, and locating them. when its over, the survivors will have to still mend. mending is brutal compared to PTB due to the update that happened on top of no more double fatigue. theres alot of potential for him but people like you keep acting like he SHOULD be on par with hillbilly, nurse and myers with tombstone who can 1 hit kill as healthy. that is absolute insanity.
not every single person is a pro playing survivor. legion is fine honestly and finding a playstyle is what you need. not another character who can 1 hit every single person in 30 seconds and kill them all. if you want that, might as well beg the developers for a map thats 100% chance to hooking and killing all survivors immediately and getting 60k bloodpoints while survivors loose a rank. thats essentially what killers want.
Legion is fine. Use PWYF.
How are you this bad, and somehow oblivious of it? Also, using the "YOU WANT FREE WINS" argument. Bias confirmed. I give this bait a....2/10.
considering you as well as many others want hillbilly/nurse power level characters, do you think my reason of killers wanting free wins is far fetched? [BAD WORD], ive seen people even say the survivors shouldnt even be ALLOWED TO SURVIVE and should only have such a slim chance of getting out that it would be impossible to win any matches.
so again, killers wanting free wins? VALID ARGUEMENT! survivors do what they need to survive yet the killers want so much power that they want to make it 100% chance impossible for survivors to survive. AT ALL
No one wants that. Only idiots who don't want survivors to be nerfed, or adjusted cuz god forbid you actually try to do something. I forgot it's 2018 and you can't play a game without it holding your hand.
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@annonymous said:
@Maximus7 said:
annonymous said:sorry, idc how many hours you have on this game. if you cant even understand how beneficial his ability is on top of how to utilize it without smacking people 1000 times in frenzy, then your a bad as monto who used good add-ons yet kept frenzying people to down them. frenzying once, chasing then stoping his frenzy after 1 hit to down them with the 2nd hit as you would a normal killer is a much more effective way to down people.
This entire paragraph is hilarious. You keep thinking whatever, dude. It's obvious you wouldn't listen to what I have to say anyway.
because you, like many others, think you have to be in frenzy to down people and you dont. frenzy is for closing in large gaps, hitting multiple people, and locating them. when its over, the survivors will have to still mend. mending is brutal compared to PTB due to the update that happened on top of no more double fatigue. theres alot of potential for him but people like you keep acting like he SHOULD be on par with hillbilly, nurse and myers with tombstone who can 1 hit kill as healthy. that is absolute insanity.
not every single person is a pro playing survivor. legion is fine honestly and finding a playstyle is what you need. not another character who can 1 hit every single person in 30 seconds and kill them all. if you want that, might as well beg the developers for a map thats 100% chance to hooking and killing all survivors immediately and getting 60k bloodpoints while survivors loose a rank. thats essentially what killers want.
Legion is fine. Use PWYF.
How are you this bad, and somehow oblivious of it? Also, using the "YOU WANT FREE WINS" argument. Bias confirmed. I give this bait a....2/10.
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@Eul said:
Spirit is not op. I ran one around earlier and never went down. I ran No Mither too. Survivors refuse to adapt/figure out how they play. See some using Prayer Beads and say she's unstoppable. She's easily avoided, and another 110 killer. Don't get baited by mind games and you're good.Spirit is op now lol, beat her in mind game? When spirit's power makes her almost twice faster than survivors, even faster than the sprint perk.
If you know how to play spirit properly, you can literally beat any skilled survivors in mind game since her movement speed is ridiculously fast and makes her invisible. Yea spirit also cant see survivors but it really doesn't matter cus spirit will have much more information in invisible mind game(Sounds, movement of grass, blood and footsteps.)It seems like killers in NA server just doesn't know how to play her tbh, cus around EA(east asai), Spirit and nurse is the most common killer you will be matched and just breaking the game near 1 ranks
But yes, you have to get used to her power and get skilled. She requires much more skill and experience than nurse or any other killers.
Tho that doesn't make her not op hahaOr here's a thought. You're bad and don't want to admit it so you cry she's op. I have multiple perfect games, quad iris, and play her addonless at rank 1. I know how to play her, it's why I know how to beat her. Shocking right? It's almost like experience with a killer shows you how to deal with them. My god.
Also, you can't see blood when phasing, so you're wrong there. Not without an UR, and it's bad. Not every map has grass to use to see, and you can use it against her. Also, she can't run faster than Sprint Burst, she's 126% speed while phasing without MS addons, so again. Maybe you should actually play her then you'd know what you're talking about and be able to counter her.
Said it once, say it again. Make Cold Dirt and Frank's Mix Tape base, and rework those addons. He'd be a solid mid-tier killer, and fun to play. Wanna counter him? Bait pallets/stun them. Survivors camp them enough anyway, about time you get punished for it.
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Easy fix: Make Frank's Mix Tape base. Give him a way to clear larger maps perhaps longer duration/extra speed? Something. Frank's Mix Tape + Cold Dirt actually feels really good and like his power is useful. If you loop properly/bait pallets you can run out Frenzy and avoid hits. You'd be able to pressure, and he would feel like an actual killer.
@Eul said:
They didn't fix the spirit, they broke her by making her op. Ppl were crying that spirit was too weak and now she became one of the most powerful killers in the game right below the nurse. For right now legion seems a bit weak, that is something most of killers are agreeing but i think we should still wait and see how ppl get used to the legion and how it turns out. Since legion just came out yesterday, we can't really say he needs a buff or nah.Plus legion's power got too much potential since it's vaulting pallets and windows just like survivors, if we touch him/her wrong, legion is going to wreck this game and become Nurse V2 lol.
Let's just give legion more time and see where it goes
Spirit is not op. I ran one around earlier and never went down. I ran No Mither too. Survivors refuse to adapt/figure out how they play. See some using Prayer Beads and say she's unstoppable. She's easily avoided, and another 110 killer. Don't get baited by mind games and you're good.
Legion is god awful and it sucks because two purple addons make him decent, so once again another weak addon reliant killer. Who's somehow even worse than pretty much every killer.
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Bump.
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@Fenrir said:
I think his power just needs to last alot longer and comes back quicker and maybe 115 speed would be the fix he needsI'd be fine with him being 110 if his power warranted it. 115 might be a fix, but I want to try and avoid that if possible. Can't really think of anything outside of that to fix map changes.
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Wanted to address addons in another comment.
Smiley Face Pin - Defaced Smiley Pin - The Legion Pin
Decreases the power gauge depletion on successful attacks. I believe this means you keep some power when hitting someone with your M1, but it charges fast enough and you probably wouldn't use your power to chase so not sure why you'd use these.
Scratched Ruler - Etched Ruler
Decreases the time to refill the power gauge. Used the Etched Ruler and the refill speed isn't stellar, but it's not bad either. Decent for a yellow addon.
Mischief List - Mural Sketch - Stolen Sketch Book -
Increases the Feral Frenzy duration This one is ok. I've tried it out with Frank's, but Cold Dirt or fatigue cd is just so much better. Duration is good for multi-hits, but multi-hits don't really add much pressure seeing as DW isn't much of a threat, an a lot of the times you'll still just fatigue before you get a hit.
Friendship Bracelet - Never-Sleep Pills - Susie's Mix Tape
Increases the Feral Frenzy movement speed. I used every rank and I didn't notice a single change. Which sucks because he really needs some kind of increase to his MS to be able to cover/patrol bigger maps and catch survivors. I've seen survivors just outrun me with no sprint perk despite having one of these addons on.
Nasty Blade - Filthy Blade
Increases the amount of time to required for Survivor to complete the Mend action. Don't even need to say why these are eh at best. You're probably gonna chase the last person you hit with your power, and longer time isn't gonna stall much.
Julie's Mix Tape - Joey's Mix Mix Tape - Cold Dirt
Decreases the cool-down duration of Feral Frenzy. These are great. This makes you fatigue faster so you can get right back into the chase and keep up pressure/down the survivor.
Stab Wounds Study
Considerably decreases the Deep Wound timer of all Survivors. This is just bad honestly. It's only really good for the drop chase strat, and that's just boring. It's only a small chunk of the bar as well. Frank's Mix Tape completely outclasses it, this addon is just bad.
Frank's Mix Tape
Considerably increases the amount of damage applied to a Survivor's Deep Wound timer while attack with Feral Frenzy. This makes it so you can 3 hit survivors, and it makes Legion an actual threat, and fun. Easily their best addon, should be baseline and changed to something else.
Iridescent Button
When the Deep Wound Status Effect has been applied during Feral Frenzy:
Your Terror Radius affects the entire Map.
Any Pallets you vault are immediately broken.
This effect lasts until the power gauge is depleted.This addon is just awful. You'll barely get a single pallet out of it, and the infinite TR just teases you because you'll never reach a survivor that far with Frenzy. You're also 110 so you're not gonna get much use out of it.
Fuming Mix Tape
While using Feral Frenzy, the Repair Progress of Generators can be determined by the intensity of their Auras.
It's literally just All-Seeing Mud, but worse. You're not gonna be wasting time looking for an almost-finished or worked on gen instead of hitting someone.
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@BigBubs said:
@Caretaker said:
@BigBubs said:
Yeah it's bugged.Somehow I have credit towards 1. o.o I think I got it after hitting someone and downing them as they went for an unhook? I have no clue. I hope they fix it soon.
Mine is stuck on 0...
Yea, no clue how I got it. I just checked randomly and boom.> @Iceman said:
I believe it is downing the survivors with the power frenzy by them failing to mend.
Nope, it just says down a survivor with Deep Wound applied.
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@BigBubs said:
Yeah it's bugged.Somehow I have credit towards 1. o.o I think I got it after hitting someone and downing them as they went for an unhook? I have no clue. I hope they fix it soon.
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@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
Make her Ultra-Rare for seeing blood in the spirit world passive and shorter CDActually not a fan of the blood tbh. It usually throws me off. Yakuyote Amulet+Mother-Daughter's Ring though. My god. That's such a brokenly good/fun combo. Def agree with shorther cd.
@AmorePrincess said:
The CD, is what I would change first. No other killer have to wait that long in order to use the power. Or keep the CD, but make it so that the player decides when they want to end the phase walk, much like wraith, pop out when you want to. That would be lovely.
I really love her, been playing her all weekend, so much fun, but she needs some love from the devs when it comes to her power.Yea, we talked to the devs awhile back and sadly we're probably not gonna get it as a resource meter. It would've been nice that's for sure. I've about got her to P3 just 6 levels off. I'm really enjoying her despite her being on the weaker side.
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@George_Soros said:
Caretaker said:Pretty much. Which is honestly ridiculous that the event is SO short.
I have the feeling though, it will increase with practice. I mean, she's out for a few days only, we may just have to give her some time.
At least, if I were a dev, I wouldn't rush to do some quick changes.It's not even that it's hard to get, it's just not practical, and the window is insanely small. Hag suffered from similar issues.> @mistressdiana said:
I think I saw a post before where someone had said that they were going to be adding more Deviousness point scores to her come the mid chapter patch.
I hope so.
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@George_Soros said:
Caretaker said:@Eninya said:
It definitely needs to have a more forgiving window like Hag's is now, especially on Grudge.
It's really frustrating to see her gain next to no devious even when you play well. If we're not meant to be using it in chases which is how you gain Deviousness then I'm clueless.
Yea it's hard to get those Grudge actions. I tried something else though, and it worked quite nice: use those stackable speed addons, get to relativity far gens, and slash! Still, unless you do a 4K, it's next to impossible to get more than 5-6000 in Deviousness.
Pretty much. Which is honestly ridiculous that the event is SO short.
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@Eninya said:
It definitely needs to have a more forgiving window like Hag's is now, especially on Grudge.It's really frustrating to see her gain next to no devious even when you play well. If we're not meant to be using it in chases which is how you gain Deviousness then I'm clueless.
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@iOrangeStain said:
Who the bad word is crying over the Huntress?The only person crying over her right now is you, lol.
Do you want a cookie? I can't take someone seriously who's afraid to say #########.
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@Master said:
@Caretaker said:
@Master said:
__> @Caretaker said:First off, these are not comparable. NOED can be destroyed, in fact I've stopped 3 NOEDs tonight alone. Wanna know how? I gasp took time to break the totems. You're all super lazy and wanna rush gens and get a free escape then cry that you got NOED'd. It's literally you're own fault. Plus the killer is running with 3 perks all game, 2 if you count the Ruin that blew instantly or didn't do anything cuz greats aren't hard to hit.
Hell, if you pay attention you can almost tell when a killer is running NOED, or do what I do and just not risk it. Their not hard to find at all even with the change. Run Small Game if NOED triggers you so much.
But that would mean that they have to get rid of one of their crutches
Tell me about it. I only recently started using exhaust perks again, and went with Lithe. You can do fine without any of the meta perks. That's what makes survivor the power role. You can run whatever build you want and still perform well without them.
You can do fine without any perks too, you dont need anything to run around in circles and occasionally press space at the right time. It only takes experience.
When survivors bring perks and items to the game, this is when the balance is ripped apart, yeah
Pretty much. You literally can run around memeing and still get out just fine.