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I don’t find SWF teams that difficult to face, in fact I prefer them.
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I don’t understand why people continue to compare Overcome with Dead Hard. They both serve different purposes.
One is to gain long distance, the other is meant for more close up (in your face) distance.
Which is the reason DH is used because there is no other exhaustion perk that works while remaining in the same loop.
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What about it?
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Killers complain because solo queue is a joke?
I don’t get it.
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He has evolved from being a baby Dweet. 😭
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No but I hear Nurse sometimes when I hear the Demo shred sound from far away 😂
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2746067#Comment_2746067
Nope. I didn't watch your video. If your point isn't worth condensing into a paragraph it's not worth it to bother with. I'm only dealing with your text.
Well then when and if you feel like asking the same question again, I will keep referring you back to that comment.
thanks
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2746064#Comment_2746064
When I asked you to reiterate you point, I asked you. Not a video.
So you didn't.
I answered you and gave you the reason why. I am not sure why you are asking the same questions.
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2746047#Comment_2746047
If you never claimed otherwise, why even bring racist harassment into the discussion in the first place? What purpose does racism have in this?
Is your core argument instead that facecamping is harassment?
Did you bother to watch the video? Or do you just make it a habit to ask the same questions?
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@ThiccBudhha said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2746051#Comment_2746051
That is one thing they said, and they also said that it would be quite difficult to substantially nerf face camping without fettering proxy camping. As much as I love doing it to survivors, I have to admit, the game would probably be better if it was not such a reliable tactic.
That being said, while it is here, you know, might as well enjoy it. 😉
Right, you have a problem with me calling it out because it is something you do.
Not because you see how it is affecting other players (especially when it is done to people of color) and by the way, way to contradict yourself in saying I am doing this for my own gain, and now you are admitting the game would be better off without it.
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@ThiccBudhha said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2746030#Comment_2746030
It sounds like you are just using this situation to try and change the game for your own gain. Kind of cringe, bro.
Read it how you want to, that isn't what I am trying to do.
Why would I need to do that when they are already looking into face-camping?
Next.
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2746030#Comment_2746030
So, face camping is racist?
Because that's what I'm getting from you completely side-stepping the knowledge that correlation does not imply causation.
(Bringing up racism and harassment in the first place)
Face-camping alone isn't racist. How many times do I have to say it?
I never claimed otherwise, I've always said there was a correlation between them. If you had bothered to read, you would actually know this already.
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2745997#Comment_2745997
Are you willing to reiterate your point?
The OP reiterates my point.
Face-camping is a badly designed mechanic, and Bubba makes it even more problematic due to the way his power works, right? Okay got that one out of the way.
After listening to several opinions and watching the video with the streamer players who have experienced racist harassment per on this video: (The people who seemingly brought it up to BHVR's attention)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE7RZv_dhC0&t=798sSeeing as most if not ALL of those examples had one thing in common or a "common denominator". I decided to speak about it and bring it to discussion, to further discuss what action is being done to facilitate this type of behavior. Yes I know not every single person who face-camps is doing it with ill will intent, yes I know not everyone who wore that mask is doing it with ill will intent, but my point is that there is clearly something that player is doing besides wearing a mask to harass, because they are clever enough to understand that there is almost virtually nothing you can do against a Bubba idling at the hook.
I am not speaking about the other Bubbas who do it because they made terrible plays and feel the need to cheese their kills via a flawed design mechanic. I am speaking about the Bubbas in these specific scenarios. Because while the devs have already stated they are looking into face-camping, I think part of the problem is Bubba's power when face-camping.
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2745982#Comment_2745982
I am out of patience with you.
Yes, Bubba has problematic facecamping from a game-design perspective.
Yes, it’s possible to perform an action in such a manner as to be harassing.
No, facecamping does not imply harassment.
Address facecamping because it’s ######### to play against. Stop drawing parallels to it being harassment. Because you can harass people with literally anything.
If you’re out of patience remove yourself from the conversation then. Instead of resorting to a childish way of calling people names.
You aren’t even reading what I am saying you are implying that I say every face camping scenario is harassment when that is not what I said.
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@TragicSolitude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2745288#Comment_2745288
I didn't say it was inherently harassment. In fact, I said "not all facecampers are doing it to be racist; most are just playing the game."
In that post I said specifically that neither Bubba's Smartface nor facecamping are necessarily being used to harass players. The combination is used to harass. However, only one half of the equation is being removed, and players can still facecamp and harass without the mask. Players can also harass without facecamping by tunneling and slugging. I was not saying facecamping is evil.
I'm used to being facecamped and don't really care much anymore. A lot of times I find it funny. I'll stick it out or I'll suicide and move on, depending on what my team is doing. I was never trying to bring my own feelings on facecamping into the discussion and am actually trying to keep my feelings out of the discussion. What I'm trying to keep the focus on is how facecamping is perceived by those who felt targeted by Smartface Bubbas. Will it still be perceived as harassment without Smartface in the game? (That's just a question, something only time will tell. We'll find out the answer in the coming months.)
Thank you for actually keeping an open mind in the discussion.
What you are bringing up is exactly what I was trying to get at. Mainly because I actually watched the video where streamers expressed their experiences with the type of harassment they received. I didn’t have to bring in my own opinion on it because I already have in the past, I was just saying how this playstyle has been exposed as being something that is exclusively done to gain an unfair advantage AND harass.
So if the developers are saying they want to take harassment serious, this is a piece of context is relative to the conversation.
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I would trade something with Corrupt Intervention. It’s a must for me because I like to pre-set some traps at the start of the match.
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I don’t have a favorite but I do tend to look for posts with the following people:
(In no specific order)
@BabuDweet Insightful and true to their word.
@IronKnight55 Wholesome and always tries to keep an open mind.
@Sluzzy Sluzzy is the moment!
@Grandpa_Crack_Pipe The grandpa I never had, and he is a Bill main, so automatically gets to be on the list.
@Pulsar Very articulate and genuine, we constantly disagree but I respect his opinions.
@ocafghanistan I’m always nodding in agreement when he gives his opinion.
@GoodBoyKaru Funny and Sassy. Sorry but you know you are. 😂
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The game would be bug free.
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I think it’s the way it is worded.
I would switch it and tell them to lower their expectations while in soloQ due to the variance of the quality of teammates being inconsistent. This includes things that are out of our control.
I would also advise that focused on the objective so that even if someone isn’t performing to the best of their ability, your efforts will be at least compensated via points and hopefully even being one of the ones that escapes.
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@Phasmamain said:
Not even blight can escape BHVR’s side shave obsession
Ngl I am so sick of seeing this hairstyle lol
Nea, Kate,Meg, Claudette, Elodie, etc
I’m waiting for Feng or Zarina to get it next 🤮
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@pseudechis said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2742109#Comment_2742109
I fully understand what was said.
Do you attribute tunneling to some targeted racially motivated action, how about flashlight clicking, BM’ing?
its completely assumptive.
If you want to discuss the mechanics of camping and its impact on the game that is different from “face camping is a tool used by people to harass others”
Half the mechanics in this game could be described as tools used to harass others.
The key part of the recent changes is the removal of what was basically blackface bubba. It rode a fine line.
Camping, in particular face camping, is still going to be around and unless someone puts it to you post game that they camped because of some targeted harassment. You have no idea what their motivation is.
Again. I don't think you do, because you either have never played survivor enough to understand how you can harass people by face-camping them with Leatherface and rendering them unable to participate in the match, or you are just unaware.
The key part is that I am just bringing light to what was done to harass the player, because wearing the mask in and of itself wouldn't have revealed people's motives had they not stated why they did what they did which was target those people AND face-camp them in some instances.
The mere fact that this happened only further confirms what has already been talked on these forums thousands of times, that face-camping is too unbalanced and it only encourages players to use it for harassment purposes.
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@pseudechis said:
I’ve heard it all now facecamping is a hate crime Jesus Christ.
The level of overreaction to camping has hit a new threshold.
Comparing a completely inconsequential tedious element in a video game to a hate crime is just beyond belief.
Where did anyone say face-camping = a hate crime?
If you actually bothered to read, you would see that no one said that. The context in which it was brought up was that it is relative to the action which took place during the harassment. Which is that because of the way Leatherface's power currently works, there is nothing that survivor can do against it when face-camping. Thus they (the people harrassing) opt to use it to target certain groups.
Maybe learn to understand what is actually being said before you comment next time.
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@LoneSlinger said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2741725#Comment_2741725
I hate to break this to you buddy but they've been saying they are looking at face camping for years
This is the same studio that took 2 years to come up with an release a kills and escapes based mm as what they call sbmm as if their is anything skillful about simply securing a kill with noed or simply hiding all game and getting carried by the team
I think everybody knows this, but they have never addressed it in the way they did during the Q & A.
Understandably, no one can really assume that things will change sooner or later, but the fact that it was brought up gives me hope they will commit to balancing it.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2741694#Comment_2741694
Okay, I think you're missing my point. Let me try rephrasing.
I don't think that it's a playstyle used to BM other players. It could potentially be used like that, but that's true of...basically everything in this game. The masks: I understand. I disagree strongly with BHVR on the removal (I think it's a terrible, anti-egalitarian approach), but I do understand their reasoning and it's not a battle I'm really interested in fighting anymore.
Facecamping? That I'm not following.
But okay, let's assume your perspective.
How do you 'remove' facecamping, and what do you do when these same hypothetical players just start tunneling? Remove tunneling?
I am not asking for them to remove face-camping, I am asking for them to adjust it. Two very different things. I've said this since the beginning of my post.
I also understand that they are also already planning something to address it. What I was doing was trying to bring light to the fact that this 'tactic' was used predominantly (whether you agree or not that it can be a form of BM) by killer players who are simply looking to make sure that this one survivor has a bad experience, so I can see why those that were using it for racist purposes would too.
I don't have the answer to what they can do, but I wanted to bring it up as a discussion being that the devs have stated they condemn this type of BHVR. From my experience after playing for 6.4k hours and being face-camped more times than I can count, I think that they should look at Bubba's ability exclusively, because as I pointed out before no other killer is capable of doing this. So that would be at least a start.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2741670#Comment_2741670
Sigh.
No, I'm saying that the facecamping is incidental. Neither you nor anyone else knows or can know that they were doing it to be a bigot, unless there is some sort of trend (which we wouldn't be privy to) or they admitted as much in postgame (which would be easily reportable).
Hell, I get threatened with a report at least once a week because I 'tunneled someone because they are playing Claudette/Adam/Tapp/Jake/what have you/wearing a Pride charm', despite me not doing anything of the sort. Hell, I don't even really notice the avatar someone is playing, aside from a few because they are either louder/quieter than average or because people playing Ash/Ace/Dwight tend to be more toxic, from my experience.
Beyond this, the people who 'brought it up to BHVR', from my understanding, weren't complaining about being facecamped. It was a tenuous connection between the masks and another archaic signifier of bigotry. That seems to be where most of the discourse was happening on both sides of this.
I'm saying that I think it's your personal beef with facecamping because I don't see other alternatives. Your explanation seems to be 'x person says that they were facecamped by someone because of their race'. I'm saying that:
- How do they know that it was? If a Bubba is wearing a Claudette mask and camps an Adam, is that automatically bigoted, even if it was just a matter of them downing that person first?
- How do you know that they are correct?
- How is this different from being BMed in some other way because of their race?
Do you see what I mean?
The people (streamers) who claimed they were harassed by the blackface Bubba face-camping them, received messages afterwards regarding the incident. Hence why I bring it up. It is a busted playstyle that has been generally used to BM other players so why wouldn't the racist ones also not take advantage of it too? You have a blackface Bubba and a face-camping tactic which is just the recipe they need.
Am I saying we need to lump everyone of those Bubbas into one criteria? Absolutely not.
What I am saying is that, they are using this less than fun playstyle as a part of their convenient "tool" because they know that Leatherface is the only killer who can get away with it. Because I feel like if it was any other killer there are more options to save that player to where it would ease some of this specific situation.
The fact that they get an advantage towards their own objective is just icing on the cake.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2741644#Comment_2741644
Yes, sophistry. You are somehow trying to draw a correlation between facecamping and bigotry, based on third hand non-specific anecdotes, while ignoring the fact that this exact same argument could be applied to a wide variety of other negative actions within the game.
But okay - let me throw this one back to you.
How exactly is facecamping a tool of bigotry in a way that, say, endlessly flashlight spamming someone because they are a minority group streamer isn't?
And yes, facecamping is a strat. It's a cheesy one, and one that I do think that needs to be changed - but not due to any connection to potential bigotry, but because it's too effective for the amount of effort it takes and because it's frustrating to go against. This should be done in conjunction with looking into why killers feel the need to facecamp. What is it about the role on specific characters that makes them adopt this style? Do they need help in other areas?
You can't just 'remove facecamping'. I simply cannot think of a way of doing this that wouldn't be abused endlessly by survivors or result in a huge, sweeping nerf to all killers. I already have survivors running me around hooks so that I need to choose between dropping chase and eating a penalty.
I'm not being cynical. I'm saying that your argument is absurd and comes over as self serving. You have an issue with facecamping, and this is your way of trying to get it removed.
So are you saying that the people who brought it up to BHVR (Basically what started this whole situation) didn't also showcase that these Bubbas that use the mask didn't also point out that they were being face-camped as further evidence? Meaning that there was nothing they could do, because it is a playstyle that promotes it?
You are the one who is trying to make this about me, when it isn't. I specifically explained how I have seen it as a "common denominator" in these situation AS IN maybe it is something they need to consider when adjusting whatever they are to face-camping.
It isn't my problem if you are seeing it from a different perspective than the one I have already explained.
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Some do deflect yes, because they would rather deal with the actual topic at hand than give unnecessary attention to those who do not add anything to the conversation.
Life is too short for that, even in 2022. 😉
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2741644#Comment_2741644
Definitely.
I'm hoping they crack down on the gaslighting attempts people propose against players using certain playstyles.
Hopefully, 2022 will be a better year for all players.
You mean like flashlight clicking and people getting bent up about it? Yes. I agree.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739624#Comment_2739624
No, this is sophistry.
Essentially, any tool in a competitive game can be used in the manner you are describing. The issue is the intent, not the action.
I could tunnel someone because of x, I could flashlight spam them because of x, or I could teabag someone because of x. The list would go on forever, essentially. I'd say that BMing like this is actually worse, because it grants no advantage to the players (there is no reason to do it aside from being nasty).
You'd have to remove all offensive actions in this game, and even then - people would find a way.
And again, this seems like your own personal beef with facecamping, which you are trying to wrap in 'well, it's used to target certain players'.
Facecamping is a way to remove one player from the match without much counterplay, and often gain additional hits and downs as the other survivors attempt to come to their rescue.
BHVR have already stated that they are looking into ways to discourage facecamping - but it's difficult to do in a manner that won't completely break the game.
My issue is that you are somehow trying to draw a parallel between facecamping and being a bigot, which is completely absurd.
Sophistry? Give me a break.
You compare a flashlight click because it bothers you, to face-camping when people get 2 things out of it, a BM and an advantage towards their objective. So no, it isn't just "The Bubba camped and hit me on hook" It is also "The Bubba camped and BM'd me on hook, meanwhile the game thinks they are playing the game".
Again, if you actually read and invested into more than just implying things you would know that the reason I brought it up is because of the feedback that was received which was the entire point of why the masks were removed.
I was only bringing light to the fact that many of those cases if not all, they all had one thing in common which was that they face-camped. This was after I watched a video in trying to understand some of the players that have been victims of racist harassment and how it needs to be addressed. It isn't and shouldn't be limited to the removal of the masks.
A playstyle that people (including yourself) like to throw around as a "strat" when it isn't. Hence why it is being looked at.
I think what is absurd is that you are being cynical when all I was trying to do is be sympathetic towards the players who have had to face the racist BS.
@Raccoon said:
2022 has just started, but it's gonna be hard to top this 'topic.'
Yeah? And I see some things still stay the same even in 2022.
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Don't you know some killers don't care about BP?
If they tunnel you they would have tunneled you regardless, because you got get many points if you are tunneling anyway.
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No it doesn't.
Funny that this type of complaint is coming from a person named NoEd Enjoyer.
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I know I am in the minority but I like playing as and against them.
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I wonder if you can DH around the corner, because if not then you know you can only dash forward requiring you to position yourself in the correct spot.
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@HectorBrando said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2739310#Comment_2739310
What I mean is there is a problem with very few selected "elements" targeting a minority and making their experience ingame as miserable as possible, also they used Smartface cosmetic.
The cosmetic got removed, does the problem went away with it? are they going to do anything else or will they just "facecamping and bming on hook is part of the gameplay experience" and call it a day when the same exact thing keeps happening but with base Leatherface?.
Some people will not understand the correlation of what these people are doing, to target minorities to get away with it. Mostly because they themselves haven't been victims of it.
Like, I specifically explained how I am not trying to compare the mask issue, just the action and intent behind it. Because especially on Bubba people can and will face-camp because of his horrible design behind his power and how it works when he idles at a hook. This gives them a "tool" to use because they know the person has no other option but to not struggle.
@StarLost said:
I'm...so confused.
Okay, firstly: facecamping is not a hate crime. People usually facecamp to win, because it's a very powerful strategy right now.
Secondly, by this logic, you'd have to get rid of everything that could potentially be used like this. Teabagging, flashlight flicking, nodding - the works. The fact that you only focused on facecamping makes me think that this is more about your own frustrations with facecamping.
Thirdly...what did I just read?
Where and when did I say it was a hate crime? Which part did you read that made you think that? I specifically explained how face-camping is being used to target groups too. I.E. It is the common denominator of what these type of players are using because Bubba is the only killer who gets away with it.
Also, the people I am talking about aren't winning. Here is where you are wrong. You call it a strategy, when a strategy would suggest that the player wants to win and play the game. None of which are present when someone face camps 1 survivor because they are only exploiting (cheesing) a bad playstyle that shouldn't even be a part of the game.
Teabagging and Flashlight clicking does not gain you any advantage towards survivor objective completion. So I don't even know why this is brought up. I know you hate that survivors "BM" you, but that isn't the same thing as face camping. Everybody knows this.
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@Exxodus21 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738190#Comment_2738190
Well, the OP doesn't like facecamping so they're attempting to get people on board with calling it racist/sexist/homophobic in hopes the devs will nerf it for them.
You clearly didn't get the memo. It's ok though I understand sometimes reading is difficult.
Fun fact: The devs are already doing something about face camping.
@Flimflam said:
Ok so to understand this mask thing you have to understand some subtle social things going on. If a bubba is trying to be racist and just face camps with a default skin then oh well you got face camped. There isn't really anything to indicate why he may have done that unless he outright says it in end game chat which will get him banned more than likely.
Now if he wears smartface and camps a person of color? Well now due to it's association with being a digital form of "blackface" trolls now have a way to signal what they are doing without revealing their hand. The mask simultaneously allows them to signal their intent and also grant them plausible deniability. You can't ban someone for using an in game cosmetic and you can't ban someone for face camping.
I think because of the reasons you've listed where you cannot simply assume someone is doing it for those reasons...Face-camping could use some adjustments. Right now, very rarely can you actually pull someone off the hook if the Bubba is just idling at the hook. At best you might be able to trade hooks (at best). There is currently no other killer that can do that, and because of it, I think the devs have a difficult mechanic to balance.
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@CyberDragoon656 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738197#Comment_2738197
You know what for the mask yes but this shoe sting argument to try and compare the two and remove facecamping is absolutely pathetic. At this moment in time survivors have no reason to ######### and whine about camping cause look at all the ######### they have to help not get caught right now and it's still a problem guess what it's the devs and the survivors fault.
Yes I disagree with the mask removal because it will change Jack ######### but, having to try and make an argument to remove something because of some bullshit honor code to try and make the game fun shows why there are so many people why think it's survivor biased. Me personally it's basically another argument to make DBD into baby's first pvp.
Again, I never said remove. Read bro.
@HectorBrando said:
You raise a very interesting point because as you say, all the videos had tunneling and facecamping as means to harass those players, having the Leatherface mask was just the cherry on the top.
One thing Im certain is the people behaving like that wont stop because some cosmetic item has been eliminated, also while not 100% sure Im willing to bet the whole ordeal is just going to add fuel to the fire and the trolling is going to get worse, now they know they are pissing off a lot of people AND the developers, trolls crave attention and they got a metric ton of it, they got encouraged.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
This guy gets it. I am just trying to bring it up as a discussion. Hence why it was even in the form of a question, but apparently some people don't take those lightly.
I am with you, I think for me while I appreciate the sentiment from the dev's angle and (again) sympathize with the players who deal with this crap. I feel like those doing the bullying will continue to do so unless the devs actually do something more substancial about it.
There is no better time to address it than now.
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@AnObserver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738197#Comment_2738197
Trailing ellipses usually imply implications.
You make a comparison to Smartface's Blackface controversy and Facecamping,
Given recent events regarding Bubba's skinned face cosmetics this seems to imply you are in favor of the removal of all Facecamping as components of it fall under Racist Harassment (Similar to Bubba losing all unlockable skinned face mask cosmetics)
But you also state later on in another comment that you do not wish to flat out remove Facecamping such as with Bubba's skinned face cosmetics.
You imply similarities yet voice desire for differences. I am unsure what your goal is.
First, I did not make a comparison in which both are the same (for the obvious reasons) One is a mask, one is a playstyle. I specifically listed it as a "common denominator" to what goes down when someone is harassed.
Second, I never implied that I am for removing face-camping (in fact I actually said I wasn't asking for it to be removed) I said it needs to be looked, as in with a magnifying glass due to the way in which it is used.
This isn't a post about calling out "similarities" it is a post about what transpires during the harassment and how it is being enabled by the game itself.
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@Sakurra said:
What if you can unhook yourself in the last second if the killer is camping you constantly? How would it be?
For me (putting whatever ideas the devs have in mind to address face-camping as a playstyle) I would say the problem is really with powers that one-shot you. Because that combined with a poorly designed playstyle is just recipe for unbalance.
I never have too many issues with other killers face-camping because my team or I can at least had some way of countering it. So I would think that is something they should keep in mind.
As for your idea, I am game. They would just need to find a way the game could tell if you were actually targeted like that.
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@AnObserver said:
I'm not sure what this post is attempting to achieve.
I stated it pretty clearly right in the OP.
@CyberDragoon656 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2738190#Comment_2738190
Trying to somehow connect face camping and the mask removal for leatherface.
Oh, I don't have to try, you can simply listen to the players who were harassed, and what each one of those Bubbas did to make sure they felt that way.
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@Lycidas said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2737667#Comment_2737667
They were offended by becoming a target through the actions of a racist player. That which included wearing that mask.
No. The issue was the mask.
A black-skinned face worn by a white man.
And I won't get into any more discussions about it, because this ######### precedent should have never been created in the first place.
So, do you think that the players who became victims of harassment would still have raised an issue as targeted had they not been face camped? Even in the video put together that is being shown around you have examples where a player says “Face camp? Yup, It’s cuz I’m black”.
Those killer players utilized Bubba and an abusive playstyle to harass them. Maybe it is only really an issue with Bubba because of his exclusive design, where he can down multiple targets at the hook, but it is still a problem when you factor in what the person doing the bullying is using to harass.
@ThiccBudhha said:
I mean, I do not think they care if a racist person face camps a person of color streaming. They just didn't like the drip when they did it. You can read their post about it for more "clarity." But they just had beef with the masks, plural. Not just Smartface. Yes, even the white ones. Again, I cannot really explain their "logic" on their behalf, but face camping is not perceived as racist by them, thankfully. Lol.
I don't think face-camping is racist. All I am saying is look at all the elements which take place, because Face-camping in and of itself isn't even balanced right now. Newer survivors have no clue what to do when they don't even have the only perks that sort of deter these type of playstyles at their disposal. So, again I am not saying flat out remove it, because it isn't the mask issue, but it is objectively something that all these harassing players have in common in terms of what they are using to target the players.
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@Lycidas said:
People were offended by the mask, not by the face camping
They were offended by becoming a target through the actions of a racist player. That which included wearing that mask.
@Fuzzels said:
Oh yes, because there's been a whole slew of "face camping" scenarios in real life against various groups of people. Ya know, all these people being aggressively put on meat hooks then stared at for being a specific race. Happens all the time.
/S
I mean, I am not trying to compare what happens in the game to the real-life victims who have and still deal with racism. However, even I know and I am not black that racism didn't just come in the form of words.
@dugman said:
Just for reference the devs have commented they don’t like literal facecamping either since it’s boring to do and watch and be the target of. The problem is all the things they’ve experimented with internally ran into issues so they don’t have a good way to actually make facecamping not be a thing. For instance, if they stopped the timer when the killer is within a certain range of the hook then if the range is short it would make no difference (e.g. stand 4 meters away doesn’t matter much if the range is 3 meters), and if the range is too large then it becomes too easy for survivors to exploit it and make it very difficult to stop any rescues at all. And in the emblem system they penalized killers emblem points for being too close to hooks but that caused similar problems and had no impact on players who didn’t care about emblems in the first place.
There could be a good game mechanical way to get killers to specifically want to avoid facecamping but I don’t know what it is. 🤷♂️
Yeah I am hopeful that they will change that playstyle to where these type of players will not easily abuse it.
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I completely agree with you.
There are people that somehow are ending up in high MMR that shouldn't be.
My guess is that they are carried and have a lot of escapes so the game thinks they are better because of it. Not taking into consideration everything that actually occurred during the match.
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SWF isn't OP.
Just because they perform better than SoloQ does not make it OP. Just means that they are actually doing gens/being efficient and not wasting time crouching and hiding the whole game.
Way to misinterpret data given to you.
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I personally prefer Empathy if you are going for “information” on the whereabouts of a friend and their actions. It is limited to 128 meters which is insane.
It gives you better information than even a friend could tell you over voice, because it shows you their aura but also when they drop a pallet as well.
I use this for flashlight saves too 🔦 😄
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Yayyy
I had my 10 family members install the game today so it should balance out!
Grandpa is going to main Bill.
Good luck out there 🤞
/s
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@Ghoste said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2732179#Comment_2732179
Do you realize how big a following Otz has? Even if you don't like content creators, they bring A LOT of people into the game, many of whom would never have played otherwise. Again, maybe you don't care, but let's not pretend some of the largest content creators leaving the game doesn't have a negative impact.
I never said I didn't like them, but I don't idolize them like a lot of people do. It's just not my thing.
I am also aware that they bring people into the game, but to act like the sky is falling simply because one person decides they are burnt out is borderline cringe.
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My thing is, I wonder had those people not used it for racist purposes… if BHVR would have still gotten rid of it.
Because to me it sounds like they are taking away the “tool” but also not addressing the entire tool which is that most players were targeting each individual via Camping and Tunneling them out.
Right now you can still do that (target them) and claim your reasoning post chat. Now these people will still do it, just without the mask.
So if they are going to address the issue, then it should be overall not just taking away the cosmetic part of it.
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I am because I want to test the perk changes.
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I don’t think No Ed is unfair, it shares the same sentiment as what Adrenaline does when you think you are downing someone but really they gain a speed boost and a health state. Which there is nothing wrong with that.
The only difference and what I think needs to change with No Ed is the way it is activated. Where a survivor’s objective simply being completed is what activates it. They should keep the same effect but require the killer to get so many hooks before it can activate.
This way you do not have people Face-camping AND getting those downs by simply idling. Because for me that is mainly why people find it unfair, is when the killer played so poorly but they are rewarded with additional speed and expose on survivors.
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@TransverseCaster said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2732179#Comment_2732179
Most everyone I know has already switched to Propnight. I'll admit I have more fun with it. When VHS comes out that could be it fellas.
inb4 "don't let the door hit you on the way out"
Behaviour knows something's up, hence the stilted update and early spoilers for Ringu.
Propnight looks like the less mature version of DBD.
VHS hasn't even established itself as a "game" yet, so I doubt it will have as big of an impact. Not to mention that most people on here seem to not be ok with "bully" simulators which is what that game seems to cater to because you create weapons to go gang up on the killer and kill them.
Not to mention some of us will be playing some of those games AND DBD because they are vastly different.