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Hey that is amazing. I can combo that with Soul Guard.
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@FixDBDPlease said:
game after game after game I just see my teammates getting pounded. It’s almost not even worth trying to do the gens anymore. Now survivors have an upright body stance so they’re basically visible across the map. Yeah makes sense. They’re not scared or aware a killer is out there. Walking around casually without a care in the world. You get hurt, oh now you’re doing this weird awkward little quick step thing that doesn’t seem realistic or add to the feel of the games genre. Killer you get to at least slam people into the ground. Survivor you just stare at a hook or a gen all game. Almost never does anybody on my team ever escape. Survivors just get pounded game after game. When is it going to be enjoyable to play survivor?
This game is not kind to people who are not good at it.
There is seriously nothing to be done except "git gud."
Learn how to run the tiles and how to avoid killer, how to loop, etc.
If you can't learn these skills ytou are just going to be spending most of your time playing this game hiding in corners, self-caring and on the hook.
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@Tsulan said:
They made totem spawns easier to see. As already shown, the totems spawn out in the open or next to gens.
So unless they reverse this, hex perks are useless.
Undying is gone. You get more protection for Devour, when you use Thrill or Haunted Grounds.
You've been playing this game long enough to know that isn't true.
Totem spawns have been improved significantly in the last several years.
Calling your BS out on this one.
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But but "I only use BBQ for the BP."
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360 doesn't work on PC anyway. Only console killlers fall for that nonsense.
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This is the level of Quality™ I expect from BHVR.
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@gendoss said:
Update: I just went against it with a spirit and it destroyed my team.
That's more due to Spirit being broken than Undying/DH being broken.
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Oh, and MMR is not on. My matchmaking is not rainbow. It's as expected.
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Matchmaking is great.
After de-pipping due to the pip bug and getting back to purple ranks I'm getting instant Survivor matches, matched with potatos but the killer quality is also pretty all over the place, so I an actually run stupid stealth builds and juke the killer around or even loop them (gasp me? Loop?). Haven't really been able to do that in red ranks much.
Maybe not so great I think I'm not really getting the kind of killers I should be getting but it works out I'm getting potato survivors so it's still pretty hard. Just the right level of challenge, not too frustrating, not a cakewalk, and still die as much (actually more) than I get out, but able to do all sorts of stupid plays.
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I'm prestiging survivor right now the event items are barelyspawnig.
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@Crowman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1939477#Comment_1939477
Mettle of Man is the only extra hit perk that does not put the survivor into Deep Wounds. Which considering how much effort you have to activate it is honestly fair that it doesn't deep wound the survivor.
Oh it wasn't deep wounds? My bad. Goes to how I don't use it lol.
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@Toxicboii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1939477#Comment_1939477
That's a good post!
Getting back to the point at hand...
The Legion must be considered weak because of his weakness of downing survivors slower than most killers...
Deep Wounds, as the other 2 folks mentioned, slows down the progress survivors make...
The old Legion required several hits and spamming of his ability to down a survivor. Current Legion makes it so you're rewarded with hitting a survivor normally, and *nothing else* occurs aside from massive pressure in the form of deep wounds from chained hits, and even then, it looks like it doesn't achieve it's effect properly, since survivors just mend up after they're struck. The power serves effectiveness in chases when it's used to not start a chain.
So why not an ability that rewards the Legion for doing the job he's been given?
This is good info, thanks!
There is very little difference between old legion and new legion in terms of mechanics. Both require 2 hits to down survivor, if power is on hit puts them into bleedout mode and hits in frenzy will never down them.
Mending slows down the game. That is 100% intended and that's exactly what happens even in red ranks. If your problem is you think his power doesn't slow down the game and is ineffective, you can stop right there because it does. Is his power weak? Well arguably yes, because he drags games out instead of being efficient at stomping in 2 minutes.
But Legion was never and should never be a high lethality killer who can end matches in 2 minutes like some of the other killers.
If you are not using Legion to chain from Frenzies you shouldn't use Legion. If you are just using him to Frenzy to run faster then turn it off after you hit a survivor you are better off using another killer. While I do see advanced Legion players doing exactly that, it's not their primary strategy. They still go on stabfests to slow the game down, and use Frenzy as a speed burst to down injured survivors when needed.
I don't know what rework you have in mind but if we're talking about his ability doing what it's supposed to it does exactly that, and then some. Could his delaying ability use a buff? Maybe. But with Sloppy Butcher and Thana it's largely not necessary. He does what he need to do just fine.
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@EvanSnowWolf said:
The point of Deep Wounds is to kill someone if they don't heal themselves.
It's a purely disruptive effect.
Instead of taking the hit, and getting right on a generator, you need to stop and Mend because of you don't you die. It's a mandatory time sink to delay Survivors.
It's not a purely disruptive effect. There are effects where you use it to protect a survivor, like Borrowed Time.
And to answer OP's question yes it achieves its desired effect in high level play.
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@Toxicboii said:
I'm asking this so I may plan my take on the Legion buff/rework.
But in order to do this, I have to ask the question...
What is the point of deep wounds? What is it trying to achieve, and does it truly achieve the effect, or does it lack in a field?
After I get an acceptable answer, I'll ask another question, this time, related to Legion directly.
Deep Wounds is an effect that puts Survivors in a "bleed out" mode where they have the opportunity to heal themselves before they die. It's used not just for Legion but for other effects that require an extra hit to provide protection, like Borrowed Time or Mettle of Man.
Originally Deep Wounds didn't exist and the perks/effects that used it didn't have Bleedout Time. They just had a similar effect (bleed out or die) so the devs consolidated them all into one status effect for consistency and simplicity.
Legion's design from the get go was to create a stabfest killer who was good at finding survivors and injuring them to keep them from doing things. He exceled in chases because basically he was an "evil" survivor who had all the parkour moves of a normal survivor. To balance this he was not as powerful at actually downing survivors, which is why he had the proto "Deep Wounds" effect. At its core Legion is meant to be a stab-happy killer who excels at locating and chasing survivors but is not good at downing them.
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Hexes are a huge RNG field in this game. When they work they are great. When they don't they don't.
Hexes in general are a huge 'win more' perk. To really make the use of them you need to be a strong killer who can put so much pressure on the game that survivors don't have time to do totems.
Weak players can't really make use of them because they don't put enough pressure to keep survivors off the bones.
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This why Palm Pilots should never have gone extinct.
I blame Steve Jobs.
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Me too.
So instead I used Plunderer, got one in a match, and took it home.
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Did not watch video but I welcome the nerf, in fact it's a long time coming.
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I have not seen his combo so far in game.
I am still getting tons of Hex Ruin players.
In fact I see Ruin+Devour more often than Devour + Undying.
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This isn't even remotely correct.
First off Billy has autodown. Demo doesn't. Demo has lunge. Billy doens't. Demo can teleport. Billy can't. Billy can dash. Demo can't.
So much wrong with this post I am not even going to bother saying more than that.
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@crowbarman said:
I let this happen for this recording because it's common - a survivor loops infinitely just from running, and I never catch up. I've heard others comment that I'm nicking edges, etc. during the rotation, but with the base killer speed plus double bloodlust it should be EASY to run down a survivor. Yet it doesnt happen.
Combine it with the fact that chases don't always start on time and you end up with infinite loops, which some on this forum to this day say don't exist but obviously they are wrong.
Note I am on Xbox so taking the turns perfectly is never going to happen the same way as it would with a mouse/keyboard.
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You're on XBox. You think you're doing well but I'm pretty sure you're just making sloppy turns while navigating the tiles.
You said you have a recording people looked at and told you exactly what's wrong. If you can't accept that that's your inadequacy.
Sorry.
Infinites don't exist. They were patched out ages ago. There are some bugs which cause "infinites" -- like the current God Bus. But you are basically just thinking you're doing it right but you're really doing it wrong.
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No need in no rush. BTW I already finished all survivor side stuff. Now to do killer side.
And yes pretty sure you can do it on killer side too.
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It got nerfed a long time ago. Like, 1 week after it came out.
The perk is strong but almost nobody uses it. It seriously didn't need a nerf.
@Aztreonam78 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1937531#Comment_1937531
If devs fixed the bug because it made Appraisal too overpowered when paired with Pharmacy...
LOL sure because opening chests stuns the killer leaves them blind and makes them fat so they can't pass through god bus.
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I don't actually have clown so I can only make my observations on the few times I've fought him.
- The new music kicks ass.
- The speed smoke not sure how much it helps me. I tried running through it and didn't feel much. I wasn't able to figure out if it let me improve any loops.
- His slow smoke is just as nasty as it's always been.
On the whole I didn't notice any difference from the survivor side. No idea how he plays.
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For me it's been pretty chill. Yesterday everyone was toxic and running Ruin undying Tinker. Today there was a lot less most killers were probably doing quests and basically goofing off.
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Just did this quest myself. It worked fine for me wasn't broken for some reason.
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The devs really want us to troll the killers don't they?
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Ah nevermind my bad just read the rest of the thread. i guess it is broken! hahhaa.
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@Marigoria said:
Title.
I'm trying to do the escape two chases while injured with Lucky Break, but the perk is always on cooldown???
Has anyone been able to do this at all?
Edit: was able to finish the channel but I do think the perk is broken
No that's how it works. the moment it activates it goes on "cooldown" that's actually its timer, or how much battery it has left. Once it runs out it stops working.
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In the course of trying to get this quest I stunned 3 different killers maybe 10 times total. LOL
When they put me on hook they kept stabbing me over and over I mean sorry dudes nothing personal just a little Self-Preservation.
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@AsherFrost said:
Imagine not wanting to immediately undo the last 6 months of working on a project just because people on the forum are whining. How dare they not immediately cave to y'all who think so little of their time?
Imagine being so incompetent that it took 6 months to do a HUD that a teenager in his parent's basement could have done in a single evening.
And lol at "all the systems we had to redesign to work with the new HUD."
LOl whatever. If you had to spend 6 months to figure out how to get the new HUD to work with your existing engine that is just sad. The real issue with BHVR is that their programmers have no idea how to program.
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Yeah but his music is awesome sauce.
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@TragicSolitude said:
Besides being a fun thing to do while slugged, being able to make quick movements on the ground was a good way to communicate with other survivors. Shaking back and forth to say "no" because the killer was camping has saved many lives. This is a nerf to solo survivors. The devs say they don't want to widen the gap between solo and SWF, but this dying state movement change actually widens that gap.
You can still say "no" with current movements. No biggie.
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You can but not in the same way as before. The spin is a much larger circle and you need to use four directional keys to do it.
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@sulaiman said:
I am ok with it, if killers get the option to ban swf from their lobbys.
Deal, but that would probably still result in crap queue times for everyone.
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@Minaaa said:
All DBD players deserve at the very least a million blood points each after this patch.
I can understand UI changes and wanting to try something different but game breaking bugs like killers having hooks for hands (horrendous hit boxes) is insane.
BI you really need to look at your development practices, your game is great but you are just shooting yourselves in the foot now.
I don't need bloodpoints.
Stop being so entitled. We don't need or deserve bloodpoints. We deserve a better HUD, bug fixes and better content. I'd be happy with those.
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Ah lol if that's all I needed to do it would have been so easy lol.
Thanks for letting me know.
I was doing all sorts of convoluted builds to get into a locker and stay inside for 5 seconds.
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@Terro said:
I kept saying that I don't think that ppl were even complaining about ruin + undying. They're just complaining about our great solo queue match making.
Then there's the fact that I tested it out last weekend in SWF... I just told everyone to ignore ruin and play normally if it pops up. Ruin made almost no difference in most games. We either were probably going to get stomped regardless or we were going to stomp.
Great now I kinda wanna SWF with my friends again.
That's actually the problem. Ruin turns most games into stomps one way or the other. There isn't much middle ground.
Also if the killer isn't taking advantage of ruin to do gen defense he's probably either a non-mobile killer or just not that good at the game.
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Most unusual. I guess it's at last partially working.
I'm still getting lots of Undying Ruin in my games. Many not running Undying just Ruin. But still alot Undying + Ruin.
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Tunnel Camp is necessary when you're up against good survivors. You can play nice if you vastly outskill your opponents but if they're at your level of or better you need to resort to dirty tricks to beat them.
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All of us are pretty sure it's humans making the game, not monkeys, aliens or devils from hell.
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Poor Legion I thought he was already on a diet he still can't get through.
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@Iosefka said:
Really wish we could filter dlc killers in ranked.
The pig has no terror radius and can put traps on your head which insta-kill if you haven't taken it off and someone fixes a generator.
So you gotta deal with the generators while never knowing if the Pig is even close and then have to unhook teammates, heal them AND remove the traps.
It's like the wraith but buffed to infinity.
Don't you ever get tired of complaining about Pig?
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@TheeclumsyNinja said:
I think it would be healthy to ban 1 or 2 killers in a lobby before you search, all 1-4 survivors can vote for 2 killers and the most popular one will not go against you.
For instance if deathslinger is the most voted then you will not go against him that match
You mean you want your queues to go from 10 minutes to 10 hours to find a match?
Nah. Banning Spirit and Freddy from your matchmaking means you'll never find lobbies. BHVR's matchmaking algorithm is bad enough that it will die from the strain.
Your proposition that the killer ban happens in the lobby won't work either. Killer will simply dodge and leave if you ban the killer they want to play.
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@YOURFRIEND said:
Topic title. Played a few rounds with the update today. Went vs. a couple of rank 1+2 teams which would normally give me a hard time.... But it was very easy.
It took me a little bit to pinpoint it but I realized a lot of the movement they were trying to do was juking me. They couldn't do it. Trying to fake going to vault, running at me to bait out a swing, all those little things survivors do that I fall for with embarrassing frequency are simply very telegraphed with the new animations.
I felt bad for them. I could tell they were trying to do that stuff and the attempt is typically a tell for a skilled survivor. It's pretty sad. Feels like something has been lost.
Survivors can juke but takes a lot of skill to do so, not clumsy movements. Also if a killer is at a certain skill and experience level jukes generally won't work on him because he's seen it all.
I don't know about the new movements making it harder. I have been doing the same jukes I've been doing for the past couple of years. They don't rely on any animations to do. They just rely on messing with the killer, mind gaming him and a lot of luck.
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Noooo I will not stand for this massive nerf!!!!!
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Nope that's probably a loading issue on your end. It's usually delay caused by slow loading from your harddrive. That can be caused by Windows 10 doing its thing running anti virus or whatever. Or other stuff. Who knows.
The patch itself isn't causing the problems.
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I never played with DS even when I was still a 100 hour baby, even though Halloween was the first DLC I bought.
Simply put you are an easy target and killers are "picking" on you because you are the weak link. Nothing to be done about it but to "git gud." Learn one of the main survival strategies in the game: stealthing/juking and looping.
- If you learn to stealth properly killer can't find you, and if they do you can lose them with a juke.
- If you learn to run them around in a chase they will usually give up if the chase lasts long.
If you intend to play survivor for any amount of time int his game you need to learn at least one of these two skills or the game is not going to be fun for you. You may want to try killer instead. And even if you don't, it's still highly-recommended to play killer as that will actually teach you how to do the two things above.
Learn your survivor fundamentals and don't rely on crutch perks like DS.
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Is this why I haven't fought a single Legion since the update? They all got too fat so they're at home.
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@Ivaldi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1935957#Comment_1935957
Yeah but at the same time; even Otz who's touted to be one of the best loses games every now and then. The fact that Hexy's been undefeated for over a month now; playing various killers is odd.
Being good at all killers isn't odd.
Killers all share the same fundamentals, only one killer is exempt from this (Nurse, but even Nurse shares some fundamentals with everyone else). It just means he has good fundamentals.
The same fundamentals will carry you through any match no matter which killer you use.
@Blueberry said:
I could answer your question genuinely as to why but it would be deemed against ToS as anything not viewed as positive about someone could be misconstrued as "Name and Shaming".
There is a good reason though, and it's not because the game is "killer sided".
You generally to be safe can't talk about anyone by name.
Let the mods worry about modding.