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I'm dying, lol. For how long did you guys try to wake me up? @fcc2014
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@fcc2014fcc2014 said:@fcc2014 said:
864 bloodpoints used an escape cake while sleeping and never even played. survivors are too op and need a nerf....nerf them hard!
@lyric @chemical_reject @Vietfox @NoxiousOnnyyxx survivors too Op. Sleeps through the match and still gets points.
Lol i dont even understand how i fell asleep while playing. A part from whisky ofc. -
@NickenzieNickenzie said:
I understand, sometimes it is your fault for losing but saying that "You are bad" isn't a excuse for EVERY thread. Period.Vietfox said:
@NickenzieNickenzie said:
@yeet you have to ignore people like @SenzuDuck because all he ever does is say that killer's are bad. Trust me, it's his excuse for every thread and it only works for so long until killer found out that he is full of it!yeet said:
your reasoning is patently absurdSenzuDuck said:@yeet said:
SenzuDuck said:@yeet said:
SenzuDuck said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
@SenzuDuck said:
ooft, almost like he said he shouldn't have to run perks to counter, damn. Nope, said you shouldn't have to run certain perks. Not run no perks. Not quite the same thing. So is that all you're gonna do? Put words in people's mouths and twist the words they do use? What a shock. Once again contributing nothing useful to anything around you. I read it as two response. Killers are supposed to be able top counter everything a survivor does without addons and perks Yeah they shouldn't, that's called good game design. they shouldn't have to run perks to counter pallets, gah. Someone should never feel forced to run certain perks.
survivors can counter everything a killer can do without perks, but apparently killers shouldn't be able to do the same.
Damn... whats that thing called? I'm struggling... like, I'm sure there's a way to entirely remove survivors out of the match, can't quite put my tongue on it.
It looks something like this.
I'm glad you've conceded that you don't have an argument.
Because killing isn't a counter at all, is it?
Can survivor actually stop you hitting them?
Can they stop you breaking pallets?I'm not entirely sure what survivors actually CAN counter against a survivor.
I've been in rank 1 many times as a killer (as a survivor as well ofc) and i can confirm there's more drama than actual facts regarding game's balance.
I get it, people get upset when they "lose" and tend to forget when they are succesful, but that's not an excuse to be complaining about everything.
When i get rekt the first thing that comes to my mind is "was it my fault?" and most of the times it was.
By saying "more drama than facts" you should be able to guess that i'm not talking about every single thread. -
@SuperiorityComplexSuperiorityComplex said:
1. Not really, BP gain is pretty even if the survivor is good and doesn’t die early.Vietfox said:
1 - Killers get more bps alreadySuperiorityComplex said:
2 - Struggle phase gives you points for smashing a key, why not the same for wiggling?
3 - It's quite obvious what kalec meant, and it wasn't because of getting more bps as a killer.
2. I don’t care if survivors get points for wiggling or not, my post was just criticizing your logic.
3. He wants points for carrying, just like you want points for wiggling, both win. It’s not like he said screw the idea.
1 - if the survivor is good AND killer is bad.
2 - my point was the smashing system related to bps, like the struggling phase.
3 - sure, let the killer have those bps. I play as a killer as well. -
@xxaggieboyxxxxaggieboyxx said:
Just ignore vietfox he thinks all killer mains need to GIT GUD and this game is balanced and all killer mains care about is getting 4k. And just like he did here he takes things out of proportion and puts words in your mouth. Or texts whatever. But lol all you said was more points for killer and he freaks out thinking you don't want survivors to get pointsKalec84 said:@Vietfox said:
SuperiorityComplex said:
Vietfox said:
Kalec84 said:Can i also get point for carrying you wile you are wiggling?
@Kalec84 lol some killer mains want nothing at all for survivors.
Right cuz killers getting blood points too = survivors getting nothing.
1 - Killers get more bps already
2 - Struggle phase gives you points for smashing a key, why not the same for wiggling?
3 - It's quite obvious what kalec meant, and it wasn't because of getting more bps as a killer.Nope, as i just said, i was serious, as i alwais am, i have no problems with survivors getting more points, and i'd like to have more points as killer too.
What is wrong with that?
Funny you mention putting words in others mouth.
I've said that game is more balanced than people think, not that it was.
Yeah, some people should try to get better before rushing to the forums and cry. Fortunatelly there are some other killer mains who realize about that.
About the points, it's easy to expect this kind of reaction when u get used to people telling you even what outfits a survivor should use, just lol. And any ok survivor perk is discussed as if it was op, like the Alert perk thread.
Btw, @me next time.
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@NickenzieNickenzie said:
@yeet you have to ignore people like @SenzuDuck because all he ever does is say that killer's are bad. Trust me, it's his excuse for every thread and it only works for so long until killer found out that he is full of it!yeet said:
your reasoning is patently absurdSenzuDuck said:@yeet said:
SenzuDuck said:@yeet said:
SenzuDuck said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
@SenzuDuck said:
ooft, almost like he said he shouldn't have to run perks to counter, damn. Nope, said you shouldn't have to run certain perks. Not run no perks. Not quite the same thing. So is that all you're gonna do? Put words in people's mouths and twist the words they do use? What a shock. Once again contributing nothing useful to anything around you. I read it as two response. Killers are supposed to be able top counter everything a survivor does without addons and perks Yeah they shouldn't, that's called good game design. they shouldn't have to run perks to counter pallets, gah. Someone should never feel forced to run certain perks.
survivors can counter everything a killer can do without perks, but apparently killers shouldn't be able to do the same.
Damn... whats that thing called? I'm struggling... like, I'm sure there's a way to entirely remove survivors out of the match, can't quite put my tongue on it.
It looks something like this.
I'm glad you've conceded that you don't have an argument.
Because killing isn't a counter at all, is it?
Can survivor actually stop you hitting them?
Can they stop you breaking pallets?I'm not entirely sure what survivors actually CAN counter against a survivor.
I've been in rank 1 many times as a killer (as a survivor as well ofc) and i can confirm there's more drama than actual facts regarding game's balance.
I get it, people get upset when they "lose" and tend to forget when they are succesful, but that's not an excuse to be complaining about everything.
When i get rekt the first thing that comes to my mind is "was it my fault?" and most of the times it was. -
I don't think we need more chance of ultra rare addons. They spawn quite frequently already imo
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@fcc2014fcc2014 said:@CoolAKn said:
I know most people find it annoying to face the Doctor, but the idea behind Madness is to waste the survivor's time, so here are some ideas I had that could further mess with survivor's minds. NOTE: not all of these ideas need to happen. These ideas can either be rejected or improved upon.- Madness could affect the survivor portraits. To further fool the survivor, the portraits displaying the status of each survivor may be changed to support these new illusions. Upon realization of the illusion or return to sanity, the portraits return to normal.
- Fake downed survivors. In a very similar way the survivor can see Doctor Illusions, survivors with sufficient Madness may see a survivor getting downed somewhere on the map.
- Fake hooked survivors. See an illusion of a survivor hooked.
- Fake healing survivors. See an illusion of a survivor healing you (with the status bar).
- Fake repairing survivors. See an illusion of a survivor repairing a generator, but no progress is made. Repairing "with them" will show there is the increased speed, but not in reality. The fake survivors can also "fail" a skill check to make it look like the generator exploded, when it actually didn't.
This is really cool and would love to see this in the game.
@chemical_reject @Vietfox @lyric what do you guys think of this?
That's much better than the current doctor -
I agree. Btw, next time you fill the trash can don't forget to empty it.Lowbei said:
yeah, please dont, the trash is full already.Vietfox said:
Already explained above why would make sense to get bps for wiggling. No need to repeat myself.Lowbei said:aaaaaand the “most entitled survivormain thread of the day” goes to the OP. do you also want points for dropping pallets, or vaulting windows? you people are ridiculous.
the irony of you whining for killer nerfs in other threads, and begging for extra bp for breathing air, is absolutely hilarious. this is why you peoples biased opinions are tossed in the garbage around here.Vietfox said: -
I think u didnt get it was a joke @No_Mither_No_ProblenNo_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
Just don't break the pallet lol.Killers: Infinites are #########.
Survivors: Just break the pallet lolKillers: The new Alert is #########.
Survivors: Just don’t break the pallet lolFeng, make up your goddamn mind.
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Already explained above why would make sense to get bps for wiggling. No need to repeat myself.Lowbei said:aaaaaand the “most entitled survivormain thread of the day” goes to the OP. do you also want points for dropping pallets, or vaulting windows? you people are ridiculous.
the irony of you whining for killer nerfs in other threads, and begging for extra bp for breathing air, is absolutely hilarious. this is why you peoples biased opinions are tossed in the garbage around here.Vietfox said: -
Yesterday a killer got me because i kept opening the chest when i was trying to vault the window next to it.
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1 - Killers get more bps alreadySuperiorityComplex said:
2 - Struggle phase gives you points for smashing a key, why not the same for wiggling?
3 - It's quite obvious what kalec meant, and it wasn't because of getting more bps as a killer. -
@yeetyeet said:@TheShowtime7 said:
Leave DS as it is. They make it harder and harder to be survivor in every patch. You need more survivors in the game to keep this game going remember that.if you need DS to survive you're probably not as good at the game as you think you are
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Just don't break the pallet lol.
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@ChesterTheMolesterChesterTheMolester said:
I'd just struggle for my points. Their escape is not worth more than my 800BPsMringasa said:I won't DC to give someone the hatch, but I'll stop struggling when they find it and give the universal sign that they are about to escape.
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Yeah that would be nice, post it in the wishlist subforum if you haven't already.
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@ChesterTheMolesterChesterTheMolester said:
If that'd be in the game i'd keep throwing pebbles at hooked survivors just to piss the Killers off.Vietfox said:
@EightEight said:@Vietfox said:
Losing bps should only apply if there are no survivors close bySo, I interrupt two people working on a gen. Hook one, and see the other briefly. Now (without aura perks) I would guess the other survivor hasn't gone far. But because I don't know, I have to run off in a random direction unless I'm ok with losing BP? It just doesn't make sense.
I hate playing against campers as much as anyone else, but this isn't the solution.
I don't know for how long u look for a survivor around the hook, but i don't stay longer than 15 seconds because i gotta keep the map pressure, so it's not gonna be an issue to me.
Omg i'll definitely try that, lol (only to stupid survivors though) -
@EightEight said:@Vietfox said:
Losing bps should only apply if there are no survivors close bySo, I interrupt two people working on a gen. Hook one, and see the other briefly. Now (without aura perks) I would guess the other survivor hasn't gone far. But because I don't know, I have to run off in a random direction unless I'm ok with losing BP? It just doesn't make sense.
I hate playing against campers as much as anyone else, but this isn't the solution.
I don't know for how long u look for a survivor around the hook, but i don't stay longer than 15 seconds because i gotta keep the map pressure, so it's not gonna be an issue to me. -
Can u just wait for thr Q&A first at least? Just wait 2 days before assuming
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The "what if" never counts, not everyone is that competitive IN ANY GAME.yeet said:
DS is still incredibly common and even a single one can lose you the game, not to mention how frustrating it is for killers, it really doesn't have a placeVietfox said:
@yeetyeet said:
"Create an entire build and playstyle around a perk that survivors may or may not have and even then your build will barely counter it because it has absolutely no hard counters and if multiple people run it the game is incredibly frustrating and borderline unwinnable" you do understand how incredibly absurd that soundsVietfox said:
@Nightmare247People don't want to change how they play, "Git Gud", because it takes time and effort so they scream for the Devs to change things to cater to their style of play so they can continue to be lazy.
^ Exactly this.
Everyone has to be able to tell what are their weaknesses and create a build and a playstyle around it, but some people rather complain about things and wait for the solution to come by itself instead of learning how to manage it.
Believe it or not i got more experience as a killer than u might think. 4 ds sweaty swf users are not common AT ALL, it's just that people tend to remember better their frustrations than anything else.
Survivors have to take their chances as well when picking some perks, like calm spirit.
I agree that some killers need some rework, but game's balance is not as bad as people say, seriously.
PS: replies from cellphones dont send the notification by default, u gotta @me
Also "the game is balanced because people don't play to win" is ridiculous, what would happen if all survivors just turned around one day and decided to go super tryhard? The killer winrates would go down the toilet, you shouldn't balance a game around people who aren't trying to win.
@Vietfox
In my personal experience ny win rate is fine as a killer, oh, and without lobby dodging.
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@yeetyeet said:
"Create an entire build and playstyle around a perk that survivors may or may not have and even then your build will barely counter it because it has absolutely no hard counters and if multiple people run it the game is incredibly frustrating and borderline unwinnable" you do understand how incredibly absurd that soundsVietfox said:
@Nightmare247People don't want to change how they play, "Git Gud", because it takes time and effort so they scream for the Devs to change things to cater to their style of play so they can continue to be lazy.
^ Exactly this.
Everyone has to be able to tell what are their weaknesses and create a build and a playstyle around it, but some people rather complain about things and wait for the solution to come by itself instead of learning how to manage it.
Believe it or not i got more experience as a killer than u might think. 4 ds sweaty swf users are not common AT ALL, it's just that people tend to remember better their frustrations than anything else.
Survivors have to take their chances as well when picking some perks, like calm spirit.
I agree that some killers need some rework, but game's balance is not as bad as people say, seriously.
PS: replies from cellphones dont send the notification by default, u gotta @me -
We, survivor mains, like to play solo as well.SasukeKun said:@Vietfox said:
SasukeKun said:@chemical_reject said:
SasukeKun said:
@chemical_reject said: SasukeKun said:
I hope you all get banned for it. So stupid and frustrating after securing yourself a win to some salty survivors who can't lose.
So u take it that only a 4K = win. Sounds like ur the salty one. Take ur 3K and move on. After i spent all game winning and earned the 4k? "i'm not letting him get the hook on me" dc's "take your 3k". I'm salty? LOL
You are not entitled to a 4K, no matter how much you THINK you deserve it .
There's perks like Unbreakable and No Mither to counter slugging noobcake. Sounds like you got owned and can't take an L.
@SasukeKun
Guess what, chosen perks are randomly helpful, especially as a survivor. I think everyone will agree on how many times survivors have "wasted" perk slots.
So if someone has unbreakable while the killer is slugging, good for that survivor!
Not to mention that the killer should be really stupid to slug a no mither user since it can be seen at the very beginning of the match.
EDIT: i'll give back your "owned", @chemical_reject is taking a nap.I've done teams of mixed and we all had one or the other, you know it works for those versatile few that don't rely on 1 build.
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@SasukeKunSasukeKun said:@chemical_reject said:
SasukeKun said:@chemical_reject said:
SasukeKun said:
I hope you all get banned for it. So stupid and frustrating after securing yourself a win to some salty survivors who can't lose.
So u take it that only a 4K = win. Sounds like ur the salty one. Take ur 3K and move on.
After i spent all game winning and earned the 4k? "i'm not letting him get the hook on me" dc's "take your 3k". I'm salty? LOL
You are not entitled to a 4K, no matter how much you THINK you deserve it .
There's perks like Unbreakable and No Mither to counter slugging noobcake. Sounds like you got owned and can't take an L.
Guess what, chosen perks are randomly helpful, especially as a survivor. I think everyone will agree on how many times survivors have "wasted" perk slots.
So if someone has unbreakable while the killer is slugging, good for that survivor!
Not to mention that the killer should be really stupid to slug a no mither user since it can be seen at the very beginning of the match.
EDIT: i'll give back your "owned", @chemical_reject is taking a nap. -
Losing bps should only apply if there are no survivors close by
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Allow them to be able to see totems.
Btw, this idea is like the ghost form from WN2 -
@not_fcc2014not_fcc2014 said:@Tzeentchling9 said:
Not a whole lot of options sometimes though.Tried to play it out fair, but the killer was too sweaty.
If they slug and refuse to pick the survivor up and that person doesn't want to be held hostage and kept in the game too bad killer take the 3 and move on.
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@ShadoureonShadoureon said:Killers whining about this are the same that slug a survivor to get that 4k. Why would someone lie on the ground for 4 minutes. If I know a survivor is on the hatch I gladly dc to not give the killer his 4k. Its a teamgame 1v4 not 1v1v1v1v1.
That's right. I don't support dc usually, but that guy lost all bps by doing that... I think it's just beautiful -
@Nightmare247People don't want to change how they play, "Git Gud", because it takes time and effort so they scream for the Devs to change things to cater to their style of play so they can continue to be lazy.
^ Exactly this.
Everyone has to be able to tell what are their weaknesses and create a build and a playstyle around it, but some people rather complain about things and wait for the solution to come by itself instead of learning how to manage it. -
@SenzuDuckSenzuDuck said:@fcc2014 said:
@SenzuDuck I don't get it. Increased healing time, adjusted pallets again, changed spawn of totem on hills, adjusted moonlight offerings, made NOED viable at all 3 tiers, Buffed the killer emblem while adding a nerf to chaser if you camp, added some asked changes to the Spirit. and to 2 terrible maps for Killers and made them smaller. Like what the hell more do you want per patch.BUT MUH DS.
I still hate DS, but at least I can realise they're changing and making killer easier for those that feel they need a little hand holding, hopefully some killers will feel less useless at rank one and wont force themselves down ranks.
We know who you are talking about, lol. -
@fcc2014fcc2014 said:@lyric said:
Vietfox said:
lyric said:
Vietfox said:And beast of prey looks cool, mind games will be easier.
I dont know if I read it right or not I’m at work but did they just buff flashlights @Vietfox ?
@lyric
Not really, you'll have to aim to the head now to do those awesome saves
Lol thats not a big problem I do that majority of the time anyway but I just read it and it is a buff because it notifies you when the blind is happening now so noobs can pick up a flashlight and use it and be aware of the blind and without the devs realizing what they’ve done to these poor killers on PS4 I just became twice as deadly with a flashlight than I already was 😈 @Vietfox
You goddamn sweaty survivors. Leave the killers alone. Glad the screen won't go white anymore.
For the moment @lyric is the flashlight saviour in ps4, i used to do it on PC but need to get used to the controller as well. -
I main a hag and i do the same, which is to control one side of the map.Poweas said:So I wanted to test a base hag with nothing at rank 1 and I managed to 4 man with 3 gens and it was shocking because I didn't expect that to happen. I play by controlling one half of the map and leaving the other to get worked on and then i'll force them to my traps. This works well with my range and trapping speed addons. But without addons it worked just as well. Is she viable without addons like Nurse and Billy. If she is, then ima just screw the addons. Btw I play survivor and killer, and I play every killer except freddy cause i didnt bother buying him.
U can do perfectly fine without addons.
About the perks, they aren't that necessary, but they help a lot, especially MYC.
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@TheDarkLycanTheDarkLycan said:
I mean all 3 auras, so if one is missing plenty of killer get paranoid and camp.
It's ok to look around first if that happens, then leave and stuff, makes sense, but some others stay right new to the hooked one till they reach the 2nd phase (at least) -
They can't simply remove it because it's one of the 3 perks from Laurie. Either they rework it or replace it for something else.
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@lyriclyric said:
Noed takes zero skill and you’re fooling yourself if you think different? @Vietfox these people are why we cleanse all the dull totems so their “skill” doesn’t activateLegacy_Zealot said:@lyric said:
total_disrespec said:
Orion said:@total_disrespec said:
that's like saying bbq and chilli is perk that requires skill.
A perk that only activates when you win a chase and get a hook doesn't require skill? Do Survivors just spawn on hooks?
Orion said:@total_disrespec said:
that's like saying bbq and chilli is perk that requires skill.
A perk that only activates when you win a chase and get a hook doesn't require skill? Do Survivors just spawn on hooks?
Lol... that's not very good logic. Mostly because I consider it impossible to go through a match without hooking someone. I think noed takes more skill
Wait a mainute , hold up, did this dude really just say NOED takes skill?? I’m dead..... so sucking so bad that all the gens pop and you have to use NOED as a last resort is skill now, gotcha.
NOED does not require skill, ok? It merely exists you don't have to do anything for it to proc you select it on the menu screen and it procs after the last gen. You are still smacking people like you were from the start of the match. It doesn't get any easier or harder for your weapon to make contact with a survivor once the perk is active.
Statements like these are why people argue on the forums.
Of course it takes skills. It's well known that, as a killer, you have to protect all dull totems, ######### gens
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@Sandbagger69Sandbagger69 said:@Jack11803 said:
I t-bag, flashlight spam, and DS proudly! And you bet I’ll wait for you at the gate!And you were born a loser with baby dick syndrome.. Feel sorry for you
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@DeadByFlashlightDeadByFlashlight said:@SenzuDuck said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Dude, how can you even be complaining about this?You've stated in previous posts that you've deranked on purpose to have "fun" games. Yet you can't even compete at a lower level? Maybe it's time you take a break or practice more.
I just thought it was time to throw out my bait and go fishing.
Nah im fine at the lower levels, but I want the game to be balanced such that I can actually play it competitively
Well obviously, someone who hits rank one and deranks is bound to be "fine" at lower levels, just sad you can't compete at rank one so force lower levelled players to vs you.
Since devs support the idea of deranking even via DCing, I am fine to derank by giving survivor free wins in afk games.
I just dont like to compete in an unbalanced game, thats all. If I press ready, I want to have at least the possibility to do well. Can we go back to the thread pls
I'm glad to had reached rank 1 many times as a killer, so i can tell you it's not as bad as you make it sound.
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I was once using ruin and dh, both spawned right next to different gens.
Rip my build
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@OrionOrion said:@Vietfox said:
Ok 30, lol
I wouldn't mind a hatch rework if this became true.The hatch needs a rework regardless, but there does need to be some way for the last Survivor to have a chance at escaping even if the rest of the team was crushed.
30 seems a bit short, but I suppose it would depend on how big the maps are. My idea is to provide enough time to repair a generator and have a few seconds to hide.
EDIT: And like @303Mack said, it might also incentivize sandbagging every other Survivor just for shits and giggles. This needs to be taken into account.
I know i shouldn't question the logic behind some people, but that would be so stupid to do, even for them. There are always more chances to survive with more people than being solo and screwing up your teammates. -
@OrionOrion said:@Vietfox said:
Seems right to me, could be even 20.
You can do a gen fast and try to get the doors, but at the same time you are giving away your location to the killer.Fair enough, but I think it should be something along the lines of a 100% bonus. That'd still only take up 40 seconds tops, which is about the time it'd take for the Killer to traverse the map looking for you.
Ok 30, lol
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@OrionOrion said:@Vietfox said:
What about this:
Repair speed reduction while other survivors are alive.
Repair speed increased by 400% when you are the last one.That would make it so generators would take a maximum of 16 seconds, assuming you didn't miss any skill checks.
Seems right to me, could be even 20.
You can do a gen fast and try to get the doors, but at the same time you are giving away your location to the killer. -
What about this:
Repair speed reduction while other survivors are alive.
Repair speed increased by 400% when you are the last one. -
@TsulanTsulan said:@George_Soros said:
Vietfox said:
George_Soros said:
Vietfox said:
George_Soros said:You got it wrong, friend. There should be a penalty to survivors who mindlessly rush to the hook when the killer is camping, instead of doing what they should: GE-NE-RA-TORS.
@George_Soros
Some people think that they only win if they survive. I personally think i've won when i've been helpful to my team.No disagreement there, but a survivor helps very little if he gets downed by a hard camping killer. Unless you're running BT, there's not much chance you can pull it off.
Can struggle till the end to give more time to other teammates instead of giving up
Oh yes, I personally hate hook suicides as much as DC-s. It's the same inability to deal with a setback, plus not wanting to lose that 934 BP.
934? How fast do you hammer that keyboard? i never get past 863.
Countless times spent in the bathroom
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Can struggle till the end to give more time to other teammates instead of giving upGeorge_Soros said:
No disagreement there, but a survivor helps very little if he gets downed by a hard camping killer. Unless you're running BT, there's not much chance you can pull it off.Vietfox said:
@George_SorosGeorge_Soros said:You got it wrong, friend. There should be a penalty to survivors who mindlessly rush to the hook when the killer is camping, instead of doing what they should: GE-NE-RA-TORS.
Some people think that they only win if they survive. I personally think i've won when i've been helpful to my team.