Utna

Could be a killer witch and a survivor witch hunter ... or even the opposite: a killer inquisitor obsessed by a woman who has the reputation to be a witch.

in Chapter 11 spoiler from Dev Stream Comment by Utna October 12, 2018

@kandalph said:
Why does SWF take so much more time to find a game than alone

I could see two reasons:

1/ simple maths. Solo players fits in any lobby, even when there are 1, 2, 3 or 4 room left. Of course they'll wait less, because there have a larger number of lobbies to choose from.

2/ because playing killer is actually much more painfull than having a survivor's game. As a result, there are less people willing to play killer. And ultimately, less killers means less lobbies. Add to this some lobby dodging and you'll now why you're waiting more than the average solo player.

My guess is you should try to play solo more often, because it is more challenging for the survivor (and thus more balanced for the killers), and closer to the original design of the game. But if you really want to play with your friends AND still having a short waiting queue, I'd suggest the game mode Kill Your Friends.

in SWF search time Comment by Utna October 10, 2018

Speaking of survivor objectives, I feel like the way blood points are awarded is detrimental to the fun of the game. As an example, I hate how an hatch exit grants 2k BP, because these extra points lead players to stay in the game, even when gates are wide open, and wait until they are the last survivor to grind some more points. If anything I believe the hatch is a 'last chance" escape that shouldn't be rewarded in any other way than just surviving.

On the same note, I believe blood points are too generous in the altruistic area and not enough rewarding for the main objective, which is getting out alive. This unbalance makes survivor playing "funny", doing things such as running straight in the killer arms when he's carrying someone, farming teamates on the hook, relentlessly taking hits on purpose, just for the fun of getting healed. This type of strategy wouldn't exist if they weren't something to gain much greater than something to loose. Not to mention SWF groups whose are just as powerfull as they can be thanks to their stronger organization, and at the same time, their flawless team spirit playstile is by far more blood point rewarding than the common solo stealth gameplay.

By lessening the altruistic's action rewards, solo players and different smaller SWF groups might want to focus more in they own survival, instead of just running around the killer, body blocking and mindlessly trying to save people after the generators are done. This rework of the blood point attribution alone, might give some of the power back to the killers, and hopefully smoothe the balance up. Here's some examples:

Hatch exit : 5K (this includes the 5k for surviving)
Gate exit: 10K -1K for each other survivor who escaped before you. (this includes the 5k for surviving)
Hook save (safe): 500 bp
Hook save (unsafe): -500 bp
Great Skill checks (any kind): 300 bp, because trying to hit them can be risky sometimes. So risk -> reward.
Evading the killer (after 10 seconds): 1000 bp.
Being chased by the killer (after 10 seconds outside a chase): -500 bp.
... etc.

in Objectives disbalance Comment by Utna October 9, 2018

@redsopine1 said:
Or just cap swf so its only 2 people playing together no 3-4 man teams just 1-2 that's what I do unless I go for daily challenge or if I get a red/pink key I will ask for one so we can get the hatch trophy for all at once

yeah, or even better: make an alt game mode where groups of 3 or 4 will play on their own against a killer. That killer will have bonuses to fight against those organized groups.

in Issues with SWF Comment by Utna September 17, 2018

@Dreamnomad said:

@Utna said:

@dbd900bach said:
What about betrayal a game mode where one survivor has to sabotage his teammates to help the killer. Such as messing with gens the exit gates or leaving trails for the killer to follow. Something along the lines of betrayal

Interesting idea indeed, but this will likely never happen because of players using voice communication, and telling each other who the betrayer is ... unless you make it as a KYF mode, where everyone's got to be invited ; or for solo survivors only.

Alternate game modes can play by alternate rules. Such as restricting SWF from playing.

I bet the devs are designing game modes where group of friends can play ... There are so many SWF players right now ; I bet that's how people want to play the game.

in Alternate Game Modes Comment by Utna September 16, 2018

@sulaiman said:
But it makes me mad, and slowly might turn me into one of them. Because it always feel like a mistake to do constructive teamplay. And only stupid people don´t learn from mistakes.

To have faith on people you first need to have faith in you

in Issues with SWF Comment by Utna September 16, 2018

@sulaiman said:
The problem is: I do swf even without voice chat, because that way i can actually play the game as it is intended. If you play solo, often you play 3v1, because one disconnects in the loading screen, or at the beginning (giving you 5 gens to do with 3 survivors), or when dowend the first time.

Also, if its down to you and another one, you are not the looser because you try to do gens until caught while the other one hatchcamps, waiting for you to die.

Thats the reasons why swf is important in this game.

Have faith on people man ! If you where playing solo more consistently, there would be one more good player to the solo survivors pool. Let's say your not the only one human being to think about team play, even when paired with strangers ... you'll end up with nice people eventually and have very good games sometimes. That is actually how the game was intended : just as in an horror movie, some of the survivors tend to be stupid or selfish ; dealing with them is part of the genre and part of the fun (given they don't hook farm you of course).

in Issues with SWF Comment by Utna September 16, 2018

@Vankruze said:
Killer's are tired of it and will dodge and so they should. Not only are they the most toxic but using voice coms creates an unfair advantage. I'd be dodging too unless pink mori.

Same. Sorry @Zenbro0615 , but you'll have to be more discreet about the team cosmetics ... and don't bring the obvious 3 toolbox + 1 flashlight. Anyway, still sad there are no better solution than lobby dodging.

in Issues with SWF Comment by Utna September 16, 2018

@deadbydaylightfan said:
Its crappy thing to do but it’s not bannable just as camping isn’t it’s just how they prefer to save their team without flashlight saves

There is nothing moraly wrong with the strategy. That's just frustrating to feel powerless. Even more in the role of a ruthless killer. Now, I'm not asking to ban body blockers ... like I said earlier: most of the time they're barely an annoyance. However, the very fact that running circles around the killer might be a valid strategy ... even with a very good survivor team VS a crappy killer, sounds like very bad design to me ... because who cares if the killer sucks: whatever he does he should always be seen as a threat by the survivors (not just a blood point cow to be milked). This is why I was begging (this is the whole point of this discussion) for the devs to consider making a perk who might punish overconfident survivors.

I think a perk (secretly) exposing survivors when the killer is holding someone might be fun. There probably need some kind of backfire or restriction, but AT LEAST, survivors might think twice before putting themselves into the killer's attack range.

in Body blocking madness Comment by Utna September 15, 2018

@MegaWaffle said:
You have options when survivors try to body block. You can:

1: Ignore them and try to move past.
2: Hit them and most likely still get your hook.
3: Hit them and lose your hook but will have injured at least a few.
4: Drop your current survivor and focus someone else.

Remember the more people there are body blocking you the less are on generators. Personally I love people who try to body block and either give me a free hit and waste their time or play so altruistically that no gens get done.

Usually I don't mind that at all, and of course most of the time, those who try to body block me end up injured for no reason at all. But this game ... I swear I tried each solution you just gave, because after the first succesfull body block, well, you gotta find a way around it. But still, each time I had one in my grasp, they forced me to throw him down.

I know I'm probably bad at this game, but it sounds so weird to me that the killer can't kick the survivors out of the way. I mean, I understand body blocking and why it matters as a strategy ; but why in earth would it be possible to prevent more than 5 attempt to hook someone in a single game ?!

Seriously, there are perks for nearly everything in DBD. Punishing body blockers as a surprise should be one of them. Sadly, the days where the game was suppose to oppose 4 scared survivors to a ruthless killer are long gone. Come on devs, give killers a little bit of respectability, or this kind of toxic nonsense will get worst and worst.

in Body blocking madness Comment by Utna September 15, 2018

@dbd900bach said:
What about betrayal a game mode where one survivor has to sabotage his teammates to help the killer. Such as messing with gens the exit gates or leaving trails for the killer to follow. Something along the lines of betrayal

Interesting idea indeed, but this will likely never happen because of players using voice communication, and telling each other who the betrayer is ... unless you make it as a KYF mode, where everyone's got to be invited ; or for solo survivors only.

The following idea might not be the sexiest one, but I feel it is needed and probably simple to make it happen. What about limiting SWF teams to 2 players, so that there isn't much a difference with solo players ? And then creating a game mode where groups of 3 or 4 will face the killer just by themselves. In the case of a group of 3 the game would be played just like when someone disconnect during the map loading time. In a case of a group of 4 the killer will have a significant boost, or there might be more generators to repair.

Anyway, the point of it is to separate large groups of SWF and solo players, so they can be separately balanced with the killer they're about to face. And the better part of it, would be that the waiting queue will be just the same. There will not be a different game mode for killers ; just open a lobby and see if you gonna play against 1 big team, or smaller groups ; either way, killers will have the proper tool to give everyone a fair and interesting game.

in Alternate Game Modes Comment by Utna September 15, 2018

I may be wrong but from the look of it, there are more SWF players in the lobbies, than solo players. Please someone corrects me if I'm wrong. Anyway, there are so much people wanting to play the game as any other online game (with their buddies, or with the more "competitive" guy they could find), that BHRV will NOT remove SWF completely. And sadly, I believe the devs even fear to remove SWF's chance to grind bloodpoints, because of the potential rage "uninstall the game" reaction.

Instead of keeping the game spirit, with stealth and ambushes, they decide to transform it so voice communication isn't so big of a deal anymore. For example: if all survivors had the ability to see the killers perks and add-ons after the first teamate is dead, there would be no point to snitch that information via comms. Anyway, the problem is that the killer would'nt hold any surprise for anyone ! Not only this might be terribly boring for everyone, but this makes future design choices (of perks and powers) even tighter since no valid strategy could be secret.