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  • @BioX said:

    I dont really understand why so many here seem to think that this is harrasment and something you can report them for.....

    I mean sure saying in the chat that you dislike someone because they are "gay" making it seem like being gay is a bad thing, that is not allowed, but tunneling is perfectly allowed, the devs have said so many times.

    How can you claim harassments or targeting when they do something that is just gameplay in the dev's eyes.

    Okay than going back to your original comment... You don't understand why this would be reportable? It's not reportable for the tunneling it's reportable for the offensive words used to justify the reason.

    @BioX "How can you claim harassments or targeting when they do something that is just gameplay in the dev's eyes?"

    Again no one is saying anything about the act of tunneling... It harassment and discrimination period! Had he not said anything about Dwight being Gay this discussion would literally not be here. There are other players complaining about tunneling in other threads that's not related to gay shamming...

    @BioX said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423950#Comment_2423950

    Well considering im the one who started this specific part of the discussion (actually the entire discussion because there seemed to be a consensus so far), I highly doubt that.

    But pls read the rest of what I wrote and not just that first part and then add to your reaction


    Considering you started a specific part of the discussion that is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

    @About8Genjis said:

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/9EEVEKLB4KRA/ahh-yes.png

    Basically this nurse hard tunneled first the dwight and then me out of the game and when I asked them why, they answered with "the dwight cuz he is gay". The dwight had "gay" in thier name and wore the gay charm.

    @BioX ....Notice that this discussion post says nothing about the act of tunneling being the issue. The issue is again... the words used to justify the means...

  • @BioX said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423921#Comment_2423921

    what if they said it was because Dwight is homosexual? or because he was wearing a yellow sweater? or because he was running a certain perk? its all the same action and its all fine and allowed.....except when you say its for a certain reason....

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423926#Comment_2423926

    Well listen, I agree with you but im looking at this from the devs perspective, they claim tunneling and camping is fine and allowed and part of the game, their words so you cannot say that a killer is "being a dick" for doing that as its just part of the gameplay.

    And yeah they are atleast acting like they are a bigot but again, my point is that it just led to normal gameplay.

    What if the killer let the dwight go as the only one "because he was gay"?

    What if the killer specifically did not use their powers and only used m1 on the dwight "because he was gay"

    What if the killer specifically ONLY used their power on the dwight "because he was gay"

    What if the killer always did a little spin before hitting the dwight "because he was gay"

    Do you see the problem here? non of these things would be even worth mentioned, its because we see tunneling and camping as unfun or unfair but its the devs that said its perfectly fine and allowed and part of the gameplay.......so I ask again, what can you really report that play for? mentioning that they think dwight is homosexual?

    If he said because he was homosexual that's just as bad... I think you're missing the point of this discussion BioX What are you not understanding? It doesn't matter that he was tunneled or let go. The context and wording behind his reason was offensive and unwarranted. No one is saying tunneling is bad in this discussion. The face that the killer supported his reason for tunneling the way he did is the problem and the point of the discussion.

  • I guess my perspective might be skewed because I just started playing last year and haven't really seen this game bloom into the beautiful flower that it is. But I am learning this game quickly and of course still have more to learn but just for my 20+ years of gaming experience I feel my opinion holds some weight when I feel a game is lacking in some areas. Now it's a matter of perspective though. I mean this game isn't as immersive as a game like Skyrim but it's not as simple as Tetris. This game is flavorful and I love it but I could see it having some other cool features as well.

  • @BioX said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423912#Comment_2423912

    ermm not really, murder is murder because it is premeditated, a crime of passion is something that happens in the heat of the moment and emotions run to high, those are just different things.

    I get that motives matter but the outcome of games is not something you can really show, the only proof is just (like I said) them claiming it is for a reason, even though without that reason the game could/would have ended just the same way.

    Tunneling and camping is completely fine....unless you say its for a certain reason, that is just a tad weird to me, its all the same thing, the outcome would have been totally fine were it not for that bit of extra information.

    I can tunnel whoever I want and let everyone else live who dont meet my criteria and it would be totally fine unless I happen to disclose my motives....

    Motives do matter. Especially if this murder was in court it could constitute as a hate crime as opposed to man slaughter or other various reasons. I think this discussion got derailed lol xD. Long story short what the killer said was offensive and his account should be suspended or how ever BHVR see fit for punishment. No one is saying he is wrong for tunneling he was wrong to say what he said in justifying his reasons behind it.

  • @BioX said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423900#Comment_2423900

    yeah but targeting just meant "tunneling" which is allowed.

    Imagine playing against 2 Claudettes and Tapp and Adam and then saying in the end chat you....played the game and fullfilled your role because...they were black...

    And then getting banned for just playing the game.

    its just such a weird thing when you do the exact same thing you otherwise would do except you admit/claim its for a reason, then suddenly you get banned.

    I mean... There's nothing wrong with tunneling. And it seem like there's some missing parts of the conversation but that is besides the point. The point is the killer admitted he tunneled the Dwight because he is gay is down right offensive. This is not a conversation about tunneling its a conversation about offensive word usage to justify their tunneling.

  • @Pirscher said:

    When the match ends, I would like to know if my team mates were SWF or if I had a 4 man SWF while I played as killer.

    Can you add this to the end game scoreboard.

    What do other people think?

    I will admit it would be nice to show who is in a party with each other at the main screen and after the game as well. I mean this isn't something new to the world of gaming so I don't know why it hasn't been implemented into DBD yet.

  • @SacrilegeGG said:

    Licensing isn't a case of Behavior picking a horror icon they like, throwing some money at the license owner and adding it to their game.

    There are a bunch of different factors β€” would X icon be a good fit for the game, are they realistically doable (e.g., Chucky and Alien are unlikely to work because of technical reasons) β€” but generally the biggest factor, by far, is the license holder.

    Not every IP owner likes, cares about, or has even heard of Dead By Daylight. Not all of them would be interested in licensing their characters, for a number of reasons. Many are very protective of their IP.

    Some deals might have been making progress but perhaps the license holder didn't like how their characters were being created, and pulled out of a deal (I believe Stephen King did this with characters The Tower, which lead to the creation of the Deathslinger).

    End of the day, licensing is a huge cluster of complex contracts, legal minefields, and simple "I don't like videogames".

    What this guy said... That's answer enough for this discussion!


  • @DeadByFrameLag said:

    Yep, this game is pure ######### rn.

    As Killer: 4k hours premades which does gens at speed of light, even with short chases even with all the slowdown perks

    As Surv: completly handless teammates which cant even stay in chase for 15 seconds.

    Today i faced another cheater while i was playing killer. He was able to run at speed of light and always stunning me with head on.

    Guys, im out, this game is completly rotten, there is nothing left here.

    We will see you, in the Nexus!

    You know jokes aside this game can be very frustrating. Take some time away... Good luck! Play Back 4 Blood It's a lot of fun!

  • @Emeal said:

    @TwitchyMike I agree, it is sorta lacking. I ran a poll on this, idd like you and everyone here to vote on it.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/268032/dead-by-daylight-more-mechanics-or-not

    I can do that! I love polls!

  • @Orion said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423780#Comment_2423780

    Not to take away form your post but it's a Pride Charm* Not Gay charm. Some people may take offense to it being called that.

    Thanks for the correction. I don't take offense to it, but it is very annoying when people reduce LGBT to just gay men.

    Oh it's my pleasure πŸ˜ƒ. I identify in this group so I understand. It's not super offensive but I know there are those out there who would be offended and rightfully so. Yes it is annoying indeed because It's usually just people who are misinformed or don't understand or care to understand. I don't think @About8Genjis meant any harm wording it this way but it is incorrect to say so.

  • @Jacoby2041 said:

    Yeah it's been out for 5 years and all we got added to the game so far is totems, I've always wanted another objective or something to interact with. The game starts to feel monotonous after a while of pretty much just having generators

    Ya a new game mode would be nice.

  • @About8Genjis said:

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/9EEVEKLB4KRA/ahh-yes.png

    Basically this nurse hard tunneled first the dwight and then me out of the game and when I asked them why, they answered with "the dwight cuz he is gay". The dwight had "gay" in thier name and wore the gay charm.

    Not to take away form your post but it's a Pride Charm* Not Gay charm. Some people may take offense to it being called that.

    But to answer your question it could be reported but beyond that not much else you can do. I mean I hope that player hits his head on a door though tonight for saying that.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    Orgasmic

    Really? Your first game was just some great orgasm?! Did you play as survivor or killer?

  • Hmm I might have to try it sometime.

  • @ouroboros_world said:

    Honestly they need to make a dbd 2 but with triple A game company backing them up, the game engine feel so old and really limit the mechanics of the game compared to any other game.

    Ya that might not be a bad idea. But DBD II would be to clichΓ©. Maybe call it "Dead by Tunneling" lol xD jk but ya I agree.

  • @Pukenplag said:

    Myers using the scratched mirror addon. It locks him in tier 1 forever, however it allows him to see survivors through walls in a 32m ranged while stalking.

    That is insane!

  • @DeadByDedicated said:

    I'd say DBD is closer to complex than it is to simple. A new player would have to learn:

    How to play as and against 24 different killers, including multiple different add-ons

    Generator and totem spawns on 36 different maps, as well as how to loop on each of those maps

    and over 150 perks and how they interact with each other and killer powers.

    I remember when I had switched from ps4 to PC and was placed back at rank 20. There was so many players that just didn't know what to do. There was a survivor that didn't know that there was a run button, killers that didn't know that they could break pallets, and the occasional player that would let you to die on the hook despite being right next to you simply because they heard a terror radius.

    I guess if you look at it the game is complex. I guess I need to remember back when I first started playing. I literally thought the objective of the game was to hide and avoid the killer at all costs. I was always the last one alive looking for hatch. My primary objective was to get an item and escape through hatch. I also didn't know the killer could close the hatch so when I found it I'd wait for it to open thinking the timer was for it to open only to find myself dying instantly lol xD

  • @Yamaoka said:

    What makes the game complicated is the huge number of perks that you have to know about, the tiles and how to play them as and against every killer, killer powers and their specific weaknesses, addons and how their affect killer powers (again something you have to learn as survivor and killer) and ultimately decision making which comes down to trial and error / experience.

    DBD is easily one of the most complicated "bigger" PVP games of all time despite the seemingly simple gameplay. That's why people play it for thousands of hours.

    Get some new players and let them play against a mirror Myers on Lery's. They won't understand what's going on.

    Get a new player and let them play Nurse on Hawkins against an experienced SWF team. They won't understand what's going on.

    Now get a new player and let them play Call Of Duty multiplayer I bet you my soul they will get a couple kills on their first match even if it's a person that doesn't even usually play ANY video games because now that's a real simple game by design.

    What is a Mirror Myers and what's crazy about nurse on Hawkins?

  • @Triadequinaxor said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2423102#Comment_2423102

    the game is too complicated? i reached rank 1 killer with blight in 150 hours??? are we talking about the same game? The survivor side is exploring the world of generators and sitting on a loading bar and hitting spacebar every now and then. not to mention chases just involve running around the same obstacle over and over till one guy gets caught.

    Good points!

  • @gendoss said:

    Honestly I think the game is too complicated for it's own good. I find it hard to recommend to friends because if they really want to get the full enjoyment they would have to put hundreds of hours into it.

    The game really is difficult and you don't start getting remotely good at the game until you have like 1,000 hours at least.

    Ya the blood web is a nightmare.

  • @FilthyLegionMain said:

    This is why I main legion. Easy injure but you must work for your kill.

    See after I saw the trailer for legion I was hoping legion would have some type of blending in ability where legion looks and moves like a survivor on the map. All of a sudden Dwight is repairing a generator with you and than he is stabbing you.

  • @Kyxlect said:

    You know, when I think about top tier Killer's I feel like ranged and speed Killer's are the ones at the top and at the number one spot? Huntress. She's the Killer that most people main and I'm not surprised why. She's ranged, her hatchet hitboxes are broken and she possibly has the strongest add-ons and all of this combined makes her the strongest Killer in the game.

    So with that mind, do I believe Huntress of all Killer's needs a buff? Heeeeeeeeelllll nah. Just buff the perk in some other way.

    I guess I can see that point.

  • @lolifasad said:

    Huntress is perfectly fine as a killer, her perks all need rework though, they're horribly bad

    My biggest issue is she is just so slow and survivors can almost indefinitely loop her around high obstructed areas. It's like, there are literally areas of the map where a survivor goes where a huntress player is just like... Okay I guess I'll go somewhere else now since I can't do anything.

  • I mean I agree but her perks are just so bad I could see one or two of them implemented into her as her killer power.

  • @GenJockeyNance said:

    I wish you a very unpleasant evening. Are you honestly that selfish you're going to screw over the team just because of a map you don't like? I get the killer doing it, because it's only them but this is a team game and some of you seem to forget that. I can't stand rpd hardly anymore either as a survivor but I'm not gonna be like, "ew, rpd. Gonna DC and hopefully get into a map I like better." The entitlement...

    I don't know why this map is tough for both survivor and killer IMO. But I'll say this. To survivors who purposefully DC I hope you stub your Toe later. To survivors who DC with Bad connection. I understand :(

    And Actually I hate it when the killer dc's intentionally as well

  • At the moment and in order from my best to worst. Pigs my favorite but I'm best with Freddy.

    1. Freddy
    2. Huntress
    3. The Pig (Favorite)
  • Ya or my spacebar...

    @humanbeing1704 said:

    I would rather not break my controller buttons again thank you


  • @musstang62 said:

    Yes BHVR, please nerf pig. Please don't buff her in any way, the community would definitely hate that. It would be a travesty if her traps were less RNG based, if she had more stealth movement speed, and if her ambush attack was made more useful. Please, god no! (Is the reverse psychology working? Any pig buffs yet? No? #########...)

    Lol ya lets nerf trapper too.... GOnna start a useless thread like this one...

  • @DBD78 said:

    I don't want Trapper to be the worst killer anymore!

    Irrelevant to this topic

  • @Hex_Ignored said:

    It has been too long since the last pig nerf

    She has only been nerfed since she's ever been released. She needs a buff if anything.

  • @DrJohn said:

    She should be nerfed

    No she does not need a nerf.

  • I'm really starting to get the sense that she needs a buff/reword. Sounds like you have to squeeze really hard just to get any lemon juice out of her.

  • @Soulpaw said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2417317#Comment_2417317

    its pretty fun with all of these. with undying, it makes the build more bearable.

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2417331#Comment_2417331

    So the side quest build revolves around stalling and overwhelming the survivors with side objectives. get rid of party hat to not die, remove undying so you can deal with ruin to work on gens and devour to not die. all while taking about 20 seconds to remove a hex due to thrill in which when i interupt the cleansing, will restart the progress. removing hats takes more time to search, especially when i scare you off of it along with a shortened time with an additional box, someone is bound to get unlucky all the while, devour is building which can lead to me just killing survivors. If survivors dont deal with all of this, they arent going to last in which will make a longer game to play which means

    MORE FUN!!!!

    Welcome to the Game.

    . Devour, Ruin, Thrill, and undying. hmmm I will have to try this. Sounds kind of fun actually.

  • @Bwsted said:

    Not a main anymore, but Corrupt, BBQ, STBFL and Brutal.

    Why is Brutal good on pig? jw.

  • I think the perk is great as is.

    @Parusoid said:

    It's too punishing. Im fine if the item is completly drained instantly at the end of the timer, but not when its gradually being depleted over time. By the time anyone is able to pick it up the charges left are useless. Getting hit is already halfway mark to being hooked, we dont need it to be double as punishing by rendering the item useless. Not to mention that you need to keep spending BPs for new items while Franklin's Demise is one time purchase

    It's just punishing enough to those pesky teams that run flashlights, maps, and keys. It's the only real way to counter Maps and keys for 4 gens completed and being 3 gened. Keep survivors from those cheap hatch escapes.

  • Interesting choices. I can see STBFL would be good. As it fits most M1 killers. And I just learned that STBFL actually goes well with the Pig because she can use her ambush attack to hit the obsession and not lose stacks. Corrupt seems like a solid choice to give pig time to set up and scout the map. Now BBQ Pop, and Monitor Sloppy, Enduring and brutal? BBQ seems great to help keep an eye on boxes to keep survivors off. But the last 4 seem interesting.

    @Soulpaw said:

    my go-to is Whispers, Endearing, Ruin, then last one is depending on my mood. I'm All Ears, Devour Hope, or Franklins.

    Lately, ive been going with a Side Quest build. Devour, Ruin, Thrill, and undying. Run with tampered and the purple addon that addons an additional box.

    Both pretty decent.

    Those are some interesting choices as well. What's a side quest build?

    I personally love STBFL so I think I'll try that on her. Probably throw corrupt on their as well. Really changes up what survivors have to do. I think anything that helps know where survivors are going is a must because keeping survivors off of boxes is almost more important than keeping survivors off of gens. Cause if you have 1-2 survivors with an active trap and if you can keep them off boxes that's great suppression I wonder if speed boost perks would be good on Pig?

  • @lauraa said:

    Pigs ambush is literally an M1 slingshot, so she's an M1 killer to me, regardless of what her ambush is classified as.

    Well that problem is it's not an M1 attack because it isn't considered a special attack. It literally doesn't count as an M1 attack and can't synergize with any M1 perks. Now that I know it's not a M1 attack I am satisfied with this discussion. Now it's just a matter of realizing different ways to play as her.

  • I need more context. How do you know they're suiciding if they are able to take a 2nd hook? It's possible they did it just because the other survivor is about to save them and they thought they'd try their luck getting a self unhook. But of course that's risky if killer is nearby.

  • @LeFennecFox said:

    Her power is very weak and underwhelming. Wraith uncloak basically does her power better and he gets sweat mobility w/ fun addons. Also any m1 perks (sloppy etc) always get value.

    See I see what @Predated is saying but at the same time you shouldn't have to be a pro or seasoned veteran just to play a character in this game. This game needs to maintain it's high learning curve but still be accessible to new players.

  • It's not a bad thing. Again read my first sentence. "This game is arguably survivor sided as it should be." @TwitchyMike

    Quoting myself here. But you want this game to remain survivor sided. As you want a game that is enjoyably for the majority. Yes if you factor in RNG and Solo ques yes it might seem more balanced. But at it's core it is survivor sided. This isn't an argument as to whether this game is survivor sided or not. It just is. The developers know it to. This is a discussion about why do survivors complain about killers knowing this game is survivor sided?

    I will admit again if you factor in RNG and solo ques the game might appear more balanced. But that's just poor teamwork. At this games core with a 4 man team and a good killer the game is survivor sided. Mechanically this game is survivor sided.

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    Then dont buy it?

    I swear, the Forum is an endless cycle of Complaints. Every time a new Rift starts, people say there is nothing for them in the Pass. Every time a new Tome Level is released, Players complain that some Challenges are "impossible".

    If a new Killer is released, this new Killer is too strong AND too weak at the same time. If a Map Rework happens, they complain about Breakable Walls, because they "bring back Infinites".

    Like, always the same, lol.

    I mean customer complaints is essential for any business to improve and take the feedback they get from here to better help the game. If no one "complained" things wouldn't get any better. Imagine if you're a new business and clients/customers never gave you any feedback. And you just kept your business model and product the same. How are you going to know what needs improved? Especially when you don't want to find out the problem by saying, "Hey we keep losing customers why is that?"

    Again it's just my opinion as stated.

  • @CheeseAnton said:

    I really only bought it because of my love for Pineapples

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/QWIO0WSBIVTY/image.png

    (I'm starting to level up Nea because of her model rework and that charm just fits too perfectly with my Pineapples Shirt on her). Everything else is just "meh" and I only bought it cause of my confidence to make most of my aurics back.

    What do you mean nea's reword model? What does the Rift have to do with that?

  • @Predated said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2410054#Comment_2410054

    It used to count as an M1 attack, it made instadowns like Haunted Grounds and NOED a bit too powerful on her in quite a lot of situations. Overall though, making her dash not a basic attack has made her stronger thanks to her having a reliable way of keeping STBFL stacks.

    Pig has more an issue with her reverse bear traps not being based on actual chance(it's a guaranteed escape if you reach your box, the chance is only a virtual one as you do not know where your key is) people tend to compare it to current trapper, but current trapper actually is based on a percentage. The difference? It's quite common when playing against Pig that you get your mask off in the first 2 attempts, while against a trapper, when 1 survivor might get out first try, but on average, your opponents will escape on their 4th try(unless they use luck offerings, which can mean survivors have a 65% chance of escaping per attempt, drawing the average down to 1.01 attempts, but they still technically can be stuck for 6 full attempts).

    So rework her reverse bear traps a tiny bit, give her an addon pass and she's fine, really. If you're a good pig, you can always get dash hits. Learn to moon-dash, learn places you can bounce off with your dash and learn places where you can use your dash to gain distance, then pig is a real monster. If you're really clever, you can actually use a dash attack to block off the survivor's path to stronger loops and force them back to area's they have little to no resources. A dash attack doesnt need to damage a survivor to have value.

    Okay I can actually see that. I can use my ambush attack on the obsession and not lose stacks. Interesting... I think it should still apply the mangled or broken status effect. You bring up some good points. Ya maybe rework her traps.

  • @Irisora said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2410074#Comment_2410074

    It was like that a few patches ago. I don't remember when but at some point the devs decided to make all powers that looks like a basic weapon attack behave like its not..

    Hard nerf to killers like pig and sinceraly if you look at all the patch notes pig only received nerfs since her release. I used to play her a lot but after that change and the change to her terror radious and EGC i stopped playing pig. Shes weak and boring to play now.

    That's dumb. Why nerf the Pig when she is maybe a C tier killer? Regardless she needs a buff.

  • @SweetTerror said:

    I don't partake in most rifts nowadays considering that they are so crammed full of useless charms. The way I see it my $10 can be better spent elsewhere.

    I think I have to agree with you on that. Depending on the rift of course. But ya... There are tons of useless charms...

  • @NomiNomad said:

    Wouldn't making him a killer kind of... Betray his whole character though?

    Ya it's more of just a joke πŸ˜…

  • @Snowbawlzzz said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2410027#Comment_2410027

    If it just applied M1 status effects (Sloppy, Knockout, Surge) I would consider it a good weapon

    Ya anything honestly! If it was just considered part of the M1 status effects she would be in a perfect spot. Cause I honestly find a hard time using the Pigs Ambush Ability.

  • @Elena said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2410056#Comment_2410056

    begins with an S

    and if you go back a few pages on the forum general discussions page, you'll probably figure out who I'm talking about.

    Oh Spring Trap πŸ™„... Lol xD

  • @Elena said:

    I'm glad you didn't say who I thought you were going to say..

    Who?

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