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@xxaggieboyxx said:
SenzuDuck said:Yawn
More killers thinking that hexes should only be positives, if you don't like losing perks, don't use them.
More "but my totem" yes, it's risk vs reward. Hopefully they make hexes more viable by making totems more stealthier, but stop trying to make hexes into reward + reward.
While all the strong survivor perks are just reward with no risk. I got it
The devs once thought about a perk named "fools gold" or something like this. Which basically was a hex totem that uppon cleansing would remove a random perk from the survivor. They really should introduce this perk. Remove a random perk from all 4 survivors.
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Uhh... 2 hours of gen repairs and running in circles? Only interrupted by bullying the "killer "?
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Sounds like my hardcore mode idea:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/15899/hardcore-mode#latest
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You can play matches with 250 ping and even beyond. Up until 250 it still plays smooth. Beyond it gets noticeable when there are spikes.Nerex7 said:There are a lot of problems with the match making these days.
Today, surprisingly, I had instant lobbies. But for what price? I'm living in EU West and most of the people I got into my lobby were either japanese or american, which means their pings were beyond the 250s which is unplayable. So I had to dodge and re-open. I actually gave up after the fifth lobby of only red pings.
Edit: And yes. I was playing killer. In these 5 lobbies, there were actually 20 red pings in total.
I sometimes play at unusual hours and get players from all around the world into my lobby. For example, I once had people from NA, Russia, Thailand and Japan in the same lobby. Everyone clicked ready. Wasn't as bad as I expected. -
Yes, they have to change the swf matchmaking. Since survivors abuse it to get easier killers. They should be matched with the highest rank. Not the lowest of the group.Warlock_2020 said:@Tsulan said:
@Orion said:
Ranks 20-16 are isolated from the rest, and it's impossible to derank below 15. I recommend waiting until the next rank reset, one week from now.He knows whats up.
The devs created the noob ranks to make it a save place for new players. So veterans can´t depip and bully or stomp them. But in doing this, they messed up the matchmaking for the noob ranks, which results in extremely long queues like yours.Unfortunately, survivors have found a way to do just this. They just join an SWF with their rank 20 friend and torture low rank killers. Been seeing a lot of my rank 11-14 games filled with multiple rank 2-6 players in each. My wife gave a stab at playing killer at rank 20 and faced 2 rank 6s in her group with 2 rank 20s.
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It's only an extra 5 seconds.Poweas said:Slows the hell out of the game. Use it on Nurse, Hag or Wraith and you'll see, the slower healing keeps them off gens ^^
Right now it requires a very specific build to be useful.
Maybe after the heal nerf. -
Distressing, Coulrophobia, Sloppy Butcher and Nurse Calling or BBQ.
Make sure to keep everyone injured. -
Shhh
That´ll stay our little secret
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@Orion said:
Ranks 20-16 are isolated from the rest, and it's impossible to derank below 15. I recommend waiting until the next rank reset, one week from now.He knows whats up.
The devs created the noob ranks to make it a save place for new players. So veterans can´t depip and bully or stomp them. But in doing this, they messed up the matchmaking for the noob ranks, which results in extremely long queues like yours. -
That was hard to read...
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@CoolAKn said:
I'm not sure why a Freddy would use Overcharge, especially since Overcharged gens are easily identifiable, and guarantees a Skill Check asleep survivors can use to wake up.It´s really just for extra gen regression. See it as a gen stopper build.
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Extra gen regression
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@steezo_de said:
@Tsulan said:
@steezo_de said:
I think the game is very popular BECAUSE it is easy. I don't see them making the game harder to drive away new players that already have a challenging time as it is.We could introduce a casual (easy) mode and a hardcore mode for eSports. This would draw in casuals who want to have a relaxing match after work and people who like to play competitively.
Hardcore mode would be easy enough. Remove terror radius and aura reading perks and maybe remove the use of some perks altogether. I know I'd play it. Not sure how I would like it in off-hours though, when it takes a long ass time to get people in my lobby. I guess they could list player numbers per mode, but I don't know if that's possible without dedicated servers.
Here´s my original idea of the hardcore mode.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/15899/hardcore-mode#latestAnd some additional game changes more detailed
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/17043/game-changes#latest -
@steezo_de said:
I think the game is very popular BECAUSE it is easy. I don't see them making the game harder to drive away new players that already have a challenging time as it is.We could introduce a casual (easy) mode and a hardcore mode for eSports. This would draw in casuals who want to have a relaxing match after work and people who like to play competitively.
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@Deng said:
Tsulan said:@Deng said:
Tsulan said:
@Dreamnomad said: You don't deserve to play as a killer with that attitude. Who cares what rank they are? Who cares if they are on voice coms? Who cares if they have a flashlight or toolbox? Who cares if they wear bloody clothes? A real killer says BRING IT ON! When it's all said and done, you'll be hanging from meat hooks. That's the attitude killers should have in this game. But if you'd rather cry about rank then you should pick up a toolbox and sit next to a campfire. Well, he said he´s a survivor main. So he´s not used to the suffering killer mains went through.
Yeah well I'm trying to play both sides and who cares I'm a survivor main
You have to embrace the pain, if you want to play both. Learn from it.
Don't worry I've been looped body blocked and played against SWF full flashlights and DS but as I play survivor too I was just laughing
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@Deng said:
Tsulan said:@Dreamnomad said:
You don't deserve to play as a killer with that attitude. Who cares what rank they are? Who cares if they are on voice coms? Who cares if they have a flashlight or toolbox? Who cares if they wear bloody clothes? A real killer says BRING IT ON! When it's all said and done, you'll be hanging from meat hooks. That's the attitude killers should have in this game. But if you'd rather cry about rank then you should pick up a toolbox and sit next to a campfire.
Well, he said he´s a survivor main.
So he´s not used to the suffering killer mains went through.
Yeah well I'm trying to play both sides and who cares I'm a survivor main
You have to embrace the pain, if you want to play both. Learn from it.
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Survivor has never been easier than now. Last summer, survivors still had to pay attention on what happend. There were no indicators or big warning signs that told them that NOED is active or that they are affected by UP.
Now we have all those indicators that take the surprise factor away. Survivors just have to read what perks affect them and they know what build they can expect.
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@Dreamnomad said:
You don't deserve to play as a killer with that attitude. Who cares what rank they are? Who cares if they are on voice coms? Who cares if they have a flashlight or toolbox? Who cares if they wear bloody clothes? A real killer says BRING IT ON! When it's all said and done, you'll be hanging from meat hooks. That's the attitude killers should have in this game. But if you'd rather cry about rank then you should pick up a toolbox and sit next to a campfire.Well, he said he´s a survivor main.
So he´s not used to the suffering killer mains went through.
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Played ninja claudette on a darkest moonlight map. I was hiding in the high grass before the shack and the trapper came right into my direction. I didn't move and he stopped in front of me to set a trap in the high grass before the entrance. I didn't move, he turned around, started walking away and snap. The trap caught me. I was laughing so hard, I forgot to wiggle.
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It's working as intended.
Before the change you would be teleported to the other side. This made pallets safer than they were supposed to be. -
Invisible killer who has wallhacks sounds still strongerxxaggieboyxx said:
I think bubba because his chainsaw stuff sounds juicy and an easy insta downTsulan said:Freddy
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Freddy
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@Iceman said:
Grimbergoth said:This is a touchy subject in general , If you went to gamestop and preordered a game and then it gets delayed you wouldn't be mad at gamestop because they are just the retailer you would be mad at the sompany making the game . But this isn't the same thing its a DBD product being made by someone else . In other words they are using a contractor to make and ship their product , so in the end yes it is BHVR's job to make sure the product is completed and shipped on time and to explain why not if its not going to be . In the end its their product .
A friend is throwing you a party and they order a cake for you from a cake decorator because they do not how to do the special design that they want for your party. However the day of the party the cake decorator says the cake is not ready. Do you blame your friend? In the end they were the one to throw the party.
I do not think behavior is responsible for this, it is technically out of their hands.
You order a car from the car dealer. The day when your car should arrive you get a notice that they can´t give you the car, because they haven´t brought the tires yet.
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@RWoodrow said:
xxaggieboyxx said:
Tsulan said:Absolutely no.
F13 failed because of that.
People like to choose their role.I mean its a separate game mode why not??
It'd die pretty quick honestly.
If the host spawns in as a killer they don't like or with perks they don't like, they DC and the game ends. People will get frustrated and the mode becomes a ghost town.
Exactly. With the way our playerbase behaves when they don´t like something, this would turn into a really frustrating mode.
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First we need a casual mode, then a hardcore mode, then we can talk about turning this game into F13.xxaggieboyxx said:
I mean its a separate game mode why not??Tsulan said:Absolutely no.
F13 failed because of that.
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Absolutely no.
F13 failed because of that.
People like to choose their role. -
@SenzuDuck said:
Wow, all the people in here who don't even read the actual post.Anyway, I like the idea but feel it's too similar to dead hard, dead hard basically fakes a hit and so they get "stunned", but also dead hard is more bateable, if this is activatable a killer wouldn't be able to counter it and because of that I think it might be a little too strong, maybe a safe unhook + injured to activate?
(I realise you stated somewhere that they have to be injured to activate but has multiple charges which I think is just too strong).
Also, would an injured survivor be able to stun a killer carrying a survivor? There's lots of things we need to figure out.
I don´t want it to be OP, but an alternative for other Exhaustion perks:
- it could either be activatable while injured (like DH) or not. IF it gives a short invulnerability, it would be to much like DH. So i think it shouldn´t make the survivor invulnerable and it should be usable whenever the survivor wants (while he is not exhausted. Exhaustion addons can disable it.)
- killer can down the survivor while he uses it.
- it should require a pre chase timer. A survivor would have to be chased 15 (as obsession) seconds before its use. He then has 60 seconds time to use it (lower levels could be 40 and 50 seconds).
- non obsession survivors would have to be chased 30 seconds to activate it
- it can be used to free other survivors from the shoulder of the killer.
- it can be used several times.
- the stun is the same stun as a pallet stun. Endurance would be the direct counter.
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@lyric said:
Tsulan said:So i was thinking about a DS rework that would make both sides "happy".
To keep true to it´s name, turn it into a "defensive weapon".
The survivor would be able to hit and stun the killer (exhaustion status applies) like a pallet would hit and stun him.
No free escapes from the shoulder, but a small stun during a chase.
What do you think?
EDIT: It would be usable like DH during a chase, when the survivor is injured but not downed.
I like it but I feel like it makes dead hard pointless, what if it was usable while the killer was carrying another survivor to the hook like be a stick or something that breaks on contact with the killer, stuns them and frees your teammate, I feel like it would make it less cheap because you have to have at least two survivors to make it happen and it’s a decision on using it at the moment or a waiting On a better opportunity
It could have a timer like the pebble. Survivor had to be chased for at least 10 or 15 seconds in the last minute, to be able to use it against the killer. It would only make DH useless, if it gives a invulnerability like DH does. Otherwise it would be like a portable pallet with the risk of getting hit by the killer.
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Freudentrauma said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Tsulan said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Tsulan said:
So i was thinking about a DS rework that would make both sides "happy".
To keep true to it´s name, turn it into a "defensive weapon".
The survivor would be able to hit and stun the killer (exhaustion status applies) like a pallet would hit and stun him.
No free escapes from the shoulder, but a small stun during a chase.What do you think?
EDIT: It would be usable like DH during a chase, when the survivor is injured but not downed.
That was the idea the devs came up with and that was considered not "satsifying"
Come back in 2019 for the DS rework, but maybe it even gets delayed to 2020, wouldnt even be surprised considering that the perk already exists 2 years now with this broken free escape designPlease read again.
The dev proposal was to stun the killer while the survivor is on the shoulder trying to wiggle out.
My proposal is to use it like DH during a chase."The survivor would be able to hit and stun the killer ike a pallet would hit and stun him.
No free escapes from the shoulder, but a small stun during a chase."Thats was exactly the devs idea, basically other teammates were supposed to come and blind the killer during that "DH". the only difference was that devs didnt bother with exhaustion
No the Devs idea was a stun on the shoulder. Tsulan's idea is a stun during the chase, the time you are actively beeing able to do something.
Oh now I understand, you mean like pebble sth you throw at the killer during chase before you even downed him, I see.
But how would this work? Do you have to aim at the killer?
The problem I see with this is that if you make it a "guaranteed" stun, then this can be used to free survivors on the killer shoulder too, just with the difference that the one using the perk is not the guy on the shoulder
Well, they could add a timer like the pebble has. Survivor who wants to use DS had to be chased by the killer for 10-15 seconds in the last minute. Just an idea tho.
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Tsulan said:
So i was thinking about a DS rework that would make both sides "happy".
To keep true to it´s name, turn it into a "defensive weapon".
The survivor would be able to hit and stun the killer (exhaustion status applies) like a pallet would hit and stun him.
No free escapes from the shoulder, but a small stun during a chase.What do you think?
EDIT: It would be usable like DH during a chase, when the survivor is injured but not downed.
That was the idea the devs came up with and that was considered not "satsifying"
Come back in 2019 for the DS rework, but maybe it even gets delayed to 2020, wouldnt even be surprised considering that the perk already exists 2 years now with this broken free escape designPlease read again.
The dev proposal was to stun the killer while the survivor is on the shoulder trying to wiggle out.
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@Kilmeran said:
@Tsulan said:
Just don´t unhook in front of the killer, unless you have Borrowed Time (Bill teachable).
Yeah, I wish all new players knew that. Played Survivor last night. Every time I got hooked, no matter the match, here comes a moron to unhook me with the Killer mere meters away.
Pissed me off, each time.
Fortunately,. I'd watched videos and streams for a while before buying the game, so I knew all that. This is one of the few games I really looked into beforehand.
This game has a steep learning curve, but it´s worth it. I played over 1000 hours. There is no other game that hooked me like this one.
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I think the 13th of each month would be a great day to play as killer.
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I wonder if @MandyTalk gets angry if I ask her kindly to move it to the corresponding forum.Orion said:@Tsulan said:
Wasn't sure if it belongs to wishlist or balance or somewhere else.As I understand it, Balance is for things that already exist, Wishlist is for things that don't exist yet.
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See the post above yours. Devs would have to test it.Freudentrauma said:@Tsulan said:
Amelia said:It's still a one time thing or when exhaustion wears off you can use it again ?
Several uses. Just like SB. Survivors would have to choose between being able to run away or get a stun without a pallet.
Would that make be stronger than DH? Or does it require you to be quite close to the killer?
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They don't like Freddy. Don't know why they are against a complete overhaul.The_Fallen_Utopia said:
Freddy? Balenced? Those words should not go together right now. Those same people probably called Wraith op before his buffs.. Nurse is really the only balenced killer for the highest level of play right now.Tsulan said:
A month ago survivors tried to make it look like Freddy was balanced, by opening several threads about how good he is on rank 1.The_Fallen_Utopia said:
Well I think the only ones worth listening to are the ones who are willing to put in the effort to find out the facts about something. I wonder if the truth is such a new player that he thinks Freddy is op. If so that's enough evidence for me to ignore their opinions.Orion said:@The_Fallen_Utopia said:
In my opinion more people need to judge things based on facts and evidence to back up points rather then just looking at something and claiming it's good or bad without looking into it at all.That is the right way to do it, but it requires work. People are naturally intellectually lazy - our brains evolved that way.
It almost looked like they fear facing other killers than the nurse on high ranks. -
A month ago survivors tried to make it look like Freddy was balanced, by opening several threads about how good he is on rank 1.The_Fallen_Utopia said:
Well I think the only ones worth listening to are the ones who are willing to put in the effort to find out the facts about something. I wonder if the truth is such a new player that he thinks Freddy is op. If so that's enough evidence for me to ignore their opinions.Orion said:@The_Fallen_Utopia said:
In my opinion more people need to judge things based on facts and evidence to back up points rather then just looking at something and claiming it's good or bad without looking into it at all.That is the right way to do it, but it requires work. People are naturally intellectually lazy - our brains evolved that way.
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Just like a pallet. Press E to hit the killer. Not sure if the Killer could still have a chance to hit the survivor or if it would give a short time window like DH, where the survivor couldn't be hit. But then DH would be redundant.Orion said:@Tsulan said:
No, the devs tried to give a stun on the shoulder. This would be a stun during the chase.Ah, my bad. I misunderstood what you meant.
In practice, how would this work? Activate the ability during a chase and the Killer is stunned?
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@Lowbei said:
Legacy_Zealot said:@Lowbei said:
Tsulan said:
@RWoodrow said: GrannyonAcid said:
Yeah. Enjoy it the way you want to. Play casually if that's what you're up to. And for sure the ranking system is terrible. A rank 1 killer going to survivor for the first time... Obviously they know how to play survivor. You watch people do it to you. It's not hard to mimic others gameplay. That's why I never understood why people take this game so seriously. I've watched 10,000 other survivors run the same loop as you do... Clearly I've learned how to do it. I'm not that type of player though. I just run and try to survive. If I die.. Then I die. Not a big deal. I mean how could this game even be considered competitive in the slightest. Could you imagine a DBD tournament being commentated. "Oh and the killer has caught one of the survivors finally! Oh crap! Even though the survivor made a mistake... He gets to decisive strike free. The killer is back on his trail. Oh he dropped another pallet. Oh and an instant heal has gone off! In the 1 minute and 20 seconds of this chase already 3 generators finished." After a few more minutes... "The killer is finally going to get a kill. He got him down! Oh three teammates are surrounding the killer with flashlights that instantly blind him so he cannot get a hook on him anyway. And the games over." There's like a lot of balancing issues with DBD before this could ever be considered "Ranked" play. So do your thing. You've only got 20 hours in the game. Well that means you'll improve. Even if you don't want to take it serious. Eventually you'll get really good. It's not a skill thing. Just about putting a little time in here and there.
There was an official tournament not long ago and the commentary was actually worse then you imagine it being. TydeTyme also held a little tournament and it was really nice to watch. It´s ironic, that a streamer can organize a better tournament than the devs.
agreed. the dev tourny was awful. thats what happens when inexperienced devs just pick streamers and randos to compete instead of the top level players, tho there were a few good players in it. tydetymes was far better.
Can anyone apply to be in these tournaments that the Devs host? Could be something 'fun' (used very loosely) to do.
unfortunately not the last one, but hopefully they learned from how awful it was that they need to make a change.
there will be open tournys soon with 10 dollar buy ins. unsure when tho
That would be actually nice. I love the idea of regular tournaments. That´s how R6 got big.
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@RWoodrow said:
GrannyonAcid said:Yeah. Enjoy it the way you want to. Play casually if that's what you're up to. And for sure the ranking system is terrible. A rank 1 killer going to survivor for the first time... Obviously they know how to play survivor. You watch people do it to you. It's not hard to mimic others gameplay. That's why I never understood why people take this game so seriously. I've watched 10,000 other survivors run the same loop as you do... Clearly I've learned how to do it. I'm not that type of player though. I just run and try to survive. If I die.. Then I die. Not a big deal.
I mean how could this game even be considered competitive in the slightest. Could you imagine a DBD tournament being commentated. "Oh and the killer has caught one of the survivors finally! Oh crap! Even though the survivor made a mistake... He gets to decisive strike free. The killer is back on his trail. Oh he dropped another pallet. Oh and an instant heal has gone off! In the 1 minute and 20 seconds of this chase already 3 generators finished." After a few more minutes... "The killer is finally going to get a kill. He got him down! Oh three teammates are surrounding the killer with flashlights that instantly blind him so he cannot get a hook on him anyway. And the games over."
There's like a lot of balancing issues with DBD before this could ever be considered "Ranked" play. So do your thing. You've only got 20 hours in the game. Well that means you'll improve. Even if you don't want to take it serious. Eventually you'll get really good. It's not a skill thing. Just about putting a little time in here and there.
There was an official tournament not long ago and the commentary was actually worse then you imagine it being.
TydeTyme also held a little tournament and it was really nice to watch.
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@George_Soros said:
Fast.I don't expect seeing a lot more BK user though. What's the point when you have WGLF
I think you mean we´ll make it.
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There are some killers that are not addon dependant. Hillbilly and Nurse for example. That´s also the reason why they are top tier.
If you want to lvl up a survivor fast, do it with David King. His teachable "We´re gonna life forever" is great at generating points. Since it doubles the points gained through the match. If you want the killer version, you would have to buy Leatherface for his BBQ&Chili.Also, try to kill as slow as possible. Since that generates the most points as killer. While being altruistic gives the fastest points as survivor. Just don´t unhook in front of the killer, unless you have Borrowed Time (Bill teachable).
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What if the bonus bloodpoint addons would apply after the match and higher ranks give a point multiplier? This would allow to get points on high ranks.Attackfrog said:I gain blood points faster at lower ranks.
Lower ranks are better for leveling my killers.
And if the vast majority of players suck, and are at lower ranks, why not support the majority of the player base?
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It's not fine. It's really annoying. Or would you say it's ok, if pop goes the weasel resets any gen to 0?Thetruth said:@mcNuggets said:
DS is not fine at all.
You can loop for minutes and then [BAD WORD] the killer over because you have a perk.DS is fine if your getting owned like that you should give up and find a new target
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Removing that survivor is the problem. Ever tried a Dying Light build? By the time the obsession is dead, 3-4 gens are done. Again huge risk, little reward for the killer.SenzuDuck said:There aren't any, because survivors don't have hex perks.
You know what killers can do though? they can remove a survivor from the match by killing them.Just because a killer has hex perks doesn't mean a survivor should as well, and even then killers would just moan about wasting time removing survivor perks.
I think because the killer can kill survivor the survivor should be able to kill the killer because you know, the survivors just can't do that and it's only fair because the killer can.
Yawn
Yea lets make devour hope non-removable
lets make noed uncounterable
lets make ruin absolute hell (good luck new survivors)
lets make haunted ground a non issue bc why break totems if hex perks are permI'm not disputing there are issues with some perks, but you're clearly not thinking about balance of the overall game if you just want hex perks to be perm, or them not to be risk vs reward.
Your totems are going to get destroyed no matter how strong they are, so regardless, deal with it.
I've had hexes last the entire game, I've had hexes last for 30 seconds, am I in here crying that I can't do anything with them? no, because it's part of the game, and until they fix totem stealth it's how it's going to be,
Each survivor has 4 unremovable perks. Totalling at 16 perks vs 4 removable killer perks. Why is the minority the weaker side? Why can the majority take away perks from the minority?
Devour Hope: finally a real incentive for the killer to leave the hook. But naaa, that's a horrible thing. Putting survivors under pressure instead of the killer.
NOED: It only halves the required hits to down a survivor. Suddenly I fear the killer and it plays like a horror game. Terrible thing... can't have that.
Ruin: it doesn't reveal your position, it doesn't hurt you it only increases the gen repair time. Something we really need in times of 3 minute matches.
Haunted Grounds is more like a patchwork. An attempt to solve the totem problem. My experience so far with it: killer gets 1 down at max from it. Hardly worth a perk slot.
New players: I can't repeat it often enough. We need more things for new players. A separate queue, a barrier that asks people if they are ready to be thrown into the shark tank, another question after 5 or 10 matches, that asks the new players if they want to stay on the normal queue or if they want to go back to noob queue.
And we need a casual mode.
Btw. F13 allowed survivors to kill the killer. Didn't really turn out into a success, did it.
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I mean, look at the descriptions of the keys. One opens black locks and the other one dark locks.MegaWaffle said:@Tsulan said:
What´s the difference between black locks and dark locks btw?Racial tension.
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Usually you can argue with @VietfoxPinkEricka said:
@Vietfox I honestly had the impression that you and @SenzuDuck were friends every time I saw you guys commenting in the same thread.Vietfox said:
You two have the same avatar and talked alike so I figured y’all were buds or something, I don’t blame anyone else who thought the same either.