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Considering the skins they released, it doesn't seem to be planned.
Just look at the clown's extra outfit that you can see from the opposite of the map and through most cracks in the walls (which is an actual huge debuff), along with Hag green bright skins and such.Devs probably do not realize being hard to see needs to be a factor when doing skins.
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If you call me a PC snobb (even tho I'm not), I'll just call you a console peasant.
That's just fairness right there tho.Just sayin'.
In any case, it sounds like a bait thread more than anything else. Complaining toward a small part of a population while not trying to adress anything won't do anything whatsoever.
I could create a thread saying "Nea's players are toxic", what would it even change ? -
Sloppy butcher will be decent against people using self-care extensively to make them overly safe.
Which is a good change overall because it will make SC to be costy to these players, rather than a free way to safety. -
Not sure what you expected from this game.
This game is about memes and taunting for the most part. Fairplay and competitivity is not part of the vocabulary except from very few decent folks that you may get surprised to encounter at times.
It's mostly not (only) pêople's fault. It's also a dev's will for the game to stay to a meme level.
I just talk to devs on a daily basis, and they're just HUGE memers. -
imo it's random.
As simple as that.I didn't notice any consistency, even tho at some point I Played 4 full months of killer only.
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Trapper.
Others are just either cute or annoying to me.
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Throw a "gg wp" and leave is the solution.
Don't allow people to spill their salt on you. -
Showing survivor's name also promotes non-grieffing.
"Taking revenge" can also be karma for being an offender.
It also can make people to dodge players they do not want to play against again (mostly because of a grief)The "revenge" factor does not come from nowhere is what I actually say.
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@dannyfrog87 said:
@Runiver said:
I just liked the consistent 32 meters more.
Now they're turning a strategic perk into a finding perk, which is weird.Tho I suppose it will make casuals Happy, as they do not like perks that are not super straightforward.
exactly my point thats the issue. at least at 32 meters i could track the whole area till i find them. now its every 8 meters yeah more time consuming and a chore. if they do make the perk like this people will realise this is a nerf and probably not like it. more than likely hate it lol ..... butchering the perk pretty good job so far
My main issue about this change is pretty simple : they are changing a perk that is already good and balanced, while more than half of the perks could use a rework.
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I just liked the consistent 32 meters more.
Now they're turning a strategic perk into a finding perk, which is weird.Tho I suppose it will make casuals Happy, as they do not like perks that are not super straightforward.
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@Soren said:
@Runiver said:
The reason is simple : the top tier killers do have more possibility than other killers, and they're not bound to the simple gameplay of chasing survivors 1 by 1 and hoping everything goes good for them.I can understand that, but the conditions of these perks prevent lowest tier killers to use them...
Take Pop Goes the Weasel for example. If you rework this perk so that: it applies the effect to the first gen you kick after a hook, but unlimited duration, everyone would have an use of this perk. Make your Choice is godlike on Hag, but really, really situational on other killers (they have to make it back to the hook, and find the proper survivor). If they buff this perk so that every survivor outside a 32m radius of you are exposed, this perk will already be way more flexible.
Like, I can understand perks aren't meant to have a synergy with every single killer. But when potential great perks are only really usable by the top-tier killers...
Do you mean actual killer perk buffs ?
That's cute.But not happening.
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The reason is simple : the top tier killers do have more possibility than other killers, and they're not bound to the simple gameplay of chasing survivors 1 by 1 and hoping everything goes good for them.
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I saw a Billy : 1 kill by camping when exit gates were opened
I saw a Huntress : 1 kill by camping when exit gates were opened
I saw a LF: 1 kill by camping when exit gates were opened
Then I only saw Nurses. -
Because using your brain is overrated.
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@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Runiver said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Runiver said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Mringasa said:
Sorry. I think it's entirely on the Survivors at this point to stop rewarding the behavior. If they wouldn't feed the Camper, it wouldn't be justified to do it anymore except situationally. If I as a Killer can expect 1-3 Survivors to crouch around and wait while I'm camping their teammate, I'm going to do it. That relieves pressure on me and puts more pressure on them once their teammate dies. If they do not do this, and instead do generators, that puts all the pressure on the Killer.Survivors are the ones rewarding Killers for doing this. It doesn't need fixing, Survivors just need to stop feeding the hook. Plain and simple. If they feel it's necessary to YOLO save someone, or crouch around the hook area for the entirety of the death, that is 100% on them. Noone can fix stupid, and that's what a Camping Fix would have to do. It would have to fix the idiots who waste time trying to be a super hero instead of doing generators.
If you change anything about the hook with regards to Camping, it puts even more pressure on the Killers because they've now lost a tool in their arsenal. It won't be campers, it'll be 100% slug games. Then once everyone is on the ground, Deerstalker over and hook them all. Killer gets a 4k with all their hook stages.
If you're getting camped, help your team out and struggle the full timer. It happens to everyone. Once Killers are getting punished for Camping by the Survivors, and not some "fix", this strategy will stop being used. Until that time though, expect it to happen with every hook.
On a side note, this is why I stay around Rank 10. Most of the Survivors there are smart enough to take the wave-off hint and go do generators. I've seen Killers get punished hard for Camping, but not enough people are doing it properly. When that becomes a thing, and Killers are getting a depip with maybe 8k points, Camping will stop except as a situational strategy.
AGAIN THIS IDEA WAS IF THE GAME WAS BALANCED AND I SAID A CHANGE I WILL MAKE TO THIS IDEA IS IT TAKES NO AFFECT IF THE KILLER GETS INTO CHASES AS THAT'S THE SURVIVORS FAULT FOR STANDING NEAR THE HOOK. STOP HATING AND MAKE USEFUL SUGGESTIONS
With "ifs", you could put Paris in a bottle.
man its forum, i was just making a fun idea for a scenario, i didn't expect it to blow up and i didn't expect to get so much hate for it.
Dude, do I have to remind you, that you created a thread about camping ? Not to mention it's a suggestion that have been asked, tested and rejected several times ?
I wanted 2 things from this post, people to actually improve the anti camping idea rather than doing what the devs did early on in the games life and just make a rushed change that didn't work. Please don't lose hope on a fix because all we need is a group effort to think of a way it could work. I also wanted people's advice on how to improve it, not people telling me i'm #########.
The fix is already in game. They increased the hook time.
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@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Runiver said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Mringasa said:
Sorry. I think it's entirely on the Survivors at this point to stop rewarding the behavior. If they wouldn't feed the Camper, it wouldn't be justified to do it anymore except situationally. If I as a Killer can expect 1-3 Survivors to crouch around and wait while I'm camping their teammate, I'm going to do it. That relieves pressure on me and puts more pressure on them once their teammate dies. If they do not do this, and instead do generators, that puts all the pressure on the Killer.Survivors are the ones rewarding Killers for doing this. It doesn't need fixing, Survivors just need to stop feeding the hook. Plain and simple. If they feel it's necessary to YOLO save someone, or crouch around the hook area for the entirety of the death, that is 100% on them. Noone can fix stupid, and that's what a Camping Fix would have to do. It would have to fix the idiots who waste time trying to be a super hero instead of doing generators.
If you change anything about the hook with regards to Camping, it puts even more pressure on the Killers because they've now lost a tool in their arsenal. It won't be campers, it'll be 100% slug games. Then once everyone is on the ground, Deerstalker over and hook them all. Killer gets a 4k with all their hook stages.
If you're getting camped, help your team out and struggle the full timer. It happens to everyone. Once Killers are getting punished for Camping by the Survivors, and not some "fix", this strategy will stop being used. Until that time though, expect it to happen with every hook.
On a side note, this is why I stay around Rank 10. Most of the Survivors there are smart enough to take the wave-off hint and go do generators. I've seen Killers get punished hard for Camping, but not enough people are doing it properly. When that becomes a thing, and Killers are getting a depip with maybe 8k points, Camping will stop except as a situational strategy.
AGAIN THIS IDEA WAS IF THE GAME WAS BALANCED AND I SAID A CHANGE I WILL MAKE TO THIS IDEA IS IT TAKES NO AFFECT IF THE KILLER GETS INTO CHASES AS THAT'S THE SURVIVORS FAULT FOR STANDING NEAR THE HOOK. STOP HATING AND MAKE USEFUL SUGGESTIONS
With "ifs", you could put Paris in a bottle.
man its forum, i was just making a fun idea for a scenario, i didn't expect it to blow up and i didn't expect to get so much hate for it.
Dude, do I have to remind you, that you created a thread about camping ? Not to mention it's a suggestion that have been asked, tested and rejected several times ?
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You have to kill all 4 survivors.
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@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Mringasa said:
Sorry. I think it's entirely on the Survivors at this point to stop rewarding the behavior. If they wouldn't feed the Camper, it wouldn't be justified to do it anymore except situationally. If I as a Killer can expect 1-3 Survivors to crouch around and wait while I'm camping their teammate, I'm going to do it. That relieves pressure on me and puts more pressure on them once their teammate dies. If they do not do this, and instead do generators, that puts all the pressure on the Killer.Survivors are the ones rewarding Killers for doing this. It doesn't need fixing, Survivors just need to stop feeding the hook. Plain and simple. If they feel it's necessary to YOLO save someone, or crouch around the hook area for the entirety of the death, that is 100% on them. Noone can fix stupid, and that's what a Camping Fix would have to do. It would have to fix the idiots who waste time trying to be a super hero instead of doing generators.
If you change anything about the hook with regards to Camping, it puts even more pressure on the Killers because they've now lost a tool in their arsenal. It won't be campers, it'll be 100% slug games. Then once everyone is on the ground, Deerstalker over and hook them all. Killer gets a 4k with all their hook stages.
If you're getting camped, help your team out and struggle the full timer. It happens to everyone. Once Killers are getting punished for Camping by the Survivors, and not some "fix", this strategy will stop being used. Until that time though, expect it to happen with every hook.
On a side note, this is why I stay around Rank 10. Most of the Survivors there are smart enough to take the wave-off hint and go do generators. I've seen Killers get punished hard for Camping, but not enough people are doing it properly. When that becomes a thing, and Killers are getting a depip with maybe 8k points, Camping will stop except as a situational strategy.
AGAIN THIS IDEA WAS IF THE GAME WAS BALANCED AND I SAID A CHANGE I WILL MAKE TO THIS IDEA IS IT TAKES NO AFFECT IF THE KILLER GETS INTO CHASES AS THAT'S THE SURVIVORS FAULT FOR STANDING NEAR THE HOOK. STOP HATING AND MAKE USEFUL SUGGESTIONS
With "ifs", you could put Paris in a bottle.
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The self-promotion in the chat by moderators is also funny to watch.
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The only way is Tuft + Judith.
Get Ruin, and Play with your food if you can, as well as Dying Light eventually.
Wait for the rank reset, and try to face some potato survivors. -
"Mirror mirror, it's you, not me"
The best punchline since day 1. -
The teachables are at level 30, 35 and 40.
So everything is in place, and as usual, you're complaining for no reasons. -
I agree with OP.
I mean, the response "should come any day" from Microsoft is much more precise than the response "SoonTM" from BHVR.
I mean, BHVR should totally have made an annoucenment saying it's coming "any day" as it would have made everyone happy for sure to know that precise information. -
@Barathon said:
Message for the Devs.I'm sure you are aware it goes without saying but right now at least 2/3's of your community is upset with the lack of console updates, already talking about the mid content patch when consoles have yet to receive the patch to start, PC only tournaments ect ect.
I got it, you can't speed up the certification process. Here is what you could do however. Implement a temporary patch that removes the bloodpoint and iridescent shard caps for the console users only. Give us something back by allowing us to earn enough bloodpoints while waiting for the real patch so that when it does come out we can at least try to get the clown and Kate leveled up to the point where PC players are.
You can do that, it is the right thing to do, please do it.
Not sure where you got your numbers.
I'm pretty sure 2/3 of the community of dbd console is just casuals that just play the game for fun and are silent in here, while a minority is impatient and going apeshit about an update that will come in due time whatever they try to say. -
Claudette.
Mostly because I don't want to invest in survivors anymore.
Maybe Kate pretty soon cuz she's bae. -
The color change is probably on purpose, also to be able to hide with that perk.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
@RuniverHatchets work with Remember Me as well.
Welp, seems like I learned a lot today lol
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@jiyeonlee said:
that competition players was surely 15~20ranked level of asiai don't want to being ######### but they were too sloppy about this game
thier nurse didn't blink right hillbilly didn't incoursing right survivors didn't incoursing right
i don't know why they think billy is better than other walkers cause they even didn't know about snapsawand that psychological in chase is can't working its "not" a not working level it was "can't be working" level
but it..workedthan whole points of my thought about high ranked battle is not even exist at other regions?
or i saw not competitive players?
I didn't watch it, but that sounds like the usual casual players the devs are balancing the game for.
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@ASpazNamedSteve said:
@Runiver NOED and DH do affect speed limiter chainsaw actually :PFor real ? Wow, when did they change that ? lol
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@guest602 @Lowbei It was in the old meta (notice the pink perks) where people where focusing on doing hooks (without respawns) so you had no choice but to slug.
The fun part is that the respawning hooks are mostly due to survivors complaining about either getting insta-basement'ed due to IG/Agi, or because of the "slow slugging death" that were too long for their taste. -
@Mercury said:
@Runiver said:
@Mercury said:
They should, they are counted as normal hits. Ever since the 'nerf' done to Play with your Food and Huntress Hatchets, I'm pretty sure it will take tokens. And a chainsaw hit is a chainsaw hit.I heavily doubt it. They do not count as normal hits, they just added some scoring events to them. We'll see tho, let's hope so.
So far, 0 perks are affecting powers (except for Tinkerer, that is getting changed)They are normal hits that's for certain. Perks like devour hope and noed would apply to a speed limiter chainsaw and the same goes for huntress hatchets.
No, they don't.
Devour hope doesn't work for the chainsaw or huntress hatchets. -
@Mercury said:
They should, they are counted as normal hits. Ever since the 'nerf' done to Play with your Food and Huntress Hatchets, I'm pretty sure it will take tokens. And a chainsaw hit is a chainsaw hit.I heavily doubt it. They do not count as normal hits, they just added some scoring events to them. We'll see tho, let's hope so.
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Here's the change I'd like for Hex : Ruin :
Keep the skillcheck part the same.
Improve the totem placements (already in progress)
Add a buff/debuff function. The totem destructor would acquire a 30% repair speed buff. The others would get a -10% repair speed debuff.What would it actually change :
- An actual competition to destroy it, which means people would actually move around the map more to hunt for it.
- Being forced not to be spotted when you break it, unlike you want to risk to get killed, which would force you to be stealthy and sneaky as you break it or you would just penalize your teammates.
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@TeambossFloze said:
@Runiver said:
@TeambossFloze said:
@Runiver said:
I personally play solo survivor, usually with no items or any map.
I get dodged, maybe, 1 game out of 5 or so. (Very likely due to teammates bringing 3 toolboxes)
Go figure.it's ridiculous isn't it - you can only play the games on the terms of the killer if they aint happy it aint happening
It's not ridiculous.
Killers do not want to play vs full BNP (I wanna play more than 4mins, thanks.), or being flashed whole game, or people abusing this exploit over and over :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0P39oh3AAA
(and yes, this is an exploit, I asked the devs, it's a bug exploit to them)Sorry but I have never experienced this exploit in any game ive played and I have been playing since beta. most of the people I play with never use BNP because they want to save it for a rainy day
I do experience it nearly everytime I play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzYlwXy1DZI
Not every round, for sure, but once per day ? Very likely.
I usually play super high ranks tho, like insta-rank up as the reset go on, so I play against actual legacy players that can do stuff. -
@TeambossFloze said:
@Runiver said:
I personally play solo survivor, usually with no items or any map.
I get dodged, maybe, 1 game out of 5 or so. (Very likely due to teammates bringing 3 toolboxes)
Go figure.it's ridiculous isn't it - you can only play the games on the terms of the killer if they aint happy it aint happening
It's not ridiculous.
Killers do not want to play vs full BNP (I wanna play more than 4mins, thanks.), or being flashed whole game, or people abusing this exploit over and over :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0P39oh3AAA
(and yes, this is an exploit, I asked the devs, it's a bug exploit to them) -
Not really.
He's cool but not that creepy. -
Hag, then Huntress.
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@Coriander said:
@Runiver said:
I disliked a few things.
Aka the "SB" nerf, that is more of an exhaustion nerf, that is not adressing the issues of sprint burst a single bit, and giving a penalty to all exhaustion perks even when it's not deserved.With Sprint Burst, it won't refresh while you're in a chase. So if they can loop you for what, 40 seconds, they won't get another burst to continue the chase. While ambushes might still get left behind with sharp-eyed survivors, I think it will still have an effect on continuing to evade the killer. It's at least a step in a good direction, right?
If you loop, you're sprinting, so the cooldown was actually closer to 80s, let's round it up to 70 due to the fact you stopped at some point.
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Artefact of the old system, like 70% of this game, aka current trapper add-ons, current hag add-ons, current nurse add-ons, current Billy add-ons, current Wraith add-ons, etc, etc.
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@Tsulan said:
@Runiver said:
I disliked a few things.
Aka the "SB" nerf, that is more of an exhaustion nerf, that is not adressing the issues of sprint burst a single bit, and giving a penalty to all exhaustion perks even when it's not deserved.They were not sure about the exhaustion for the other perks.
So this might not make it into the final version. But for SB, that´s a good step in the right direction.I wouldn't call it a step in the right direction, I'd very sideways, trying to nerf blindly without understanding and adressing the issue that SB is causing.
The current "nerf" will not stop the Ambush free dodge, the last second Wraith dodge, the SB dodging hits and chainsaws at last seconds, the "I gtfo instantly after getting unhooked", the "I repair until the last second, then SB away to the nearest safe spot", along with other issues.The only thing it does is nullifying the fact it's coming back in chases (which was a decent reward for the survivor, and usually allowed him to escape, since if you didn't manage to catch him in due time, he probably die really well), and possibly make it so they use it less often overall (which is decent, but not very consistent)
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I personally play solo survivor, usually with no items or any map.
I get dodged, maybe, 1 game out of 5 or so. (Very likely due to teammates bringing 3 toolboxes)
Go figure. -
A slight BP limit increase could be good. (maybe 10k per category, it would round it up nicely.)
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I disliked a few things.
Aka the "SB" nerf, that is more of an exhaustion nerf, that is not adressing the issues of sprint burst a single bit, and giving a penalty to all exhaustion perks even when it's not deserved. -
Since the patch, I have never seen a lobby with less than 3 items. (Usually BNPs/Insta-med)
No wonder more people are dodging. I understand people are feeling less confident due to the pallet nerf, but this kind of reaction is laughable. -
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Runiver said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Runiver said:
A similar idea have been tested in the previous PTBs.
And it has been so heavily abused that devs instantly removed it.Camping is already fine and fair : you're not supposed to get unhooked everytime. If you would, it would make getting hooked rather trivial, especially for a 1v4 game.
camping isn't fine and fair, the game may be easier for survivors but it's controlled by the killer. at the moement> @DasMurich said:
I had rare match today and landed 4/4, which was virtually handed to me. Got the first survivor on the hook and had 2 other survivors on my ass trying to get the one down, and they did, which resulted in the virtual instant death of that first one being hooked 3 times in quick succession. I never left the hook because the survivors would not leave. Their altruism got them killed, and pretty quickly. I got called a "camping #########" after the match.
I sometimes can't wrap my head around the level of entitlement I see from some survivors.
Fully understand where your're coming from as i actually play more killer than survivor and the same thing happens to me all the time. But even you can see as i can see form the way you said it that their over altruistic behaviour lead to their downfall, when really it should have just made the game slightly harder. If the nerf i suggested was in place, you would have got 2 kills but the other 2 could have time to get away and go back to generators. I think too many people think i'm a toxic survivor main and aren't thinking about the potential to this idea.
The game is totally in control of the survivors.
One of them may get caught and camped, eventually, which is "out of his control, once he get caught", but other than that, if survivors do play accordingly, the killrate of most killers won't exceed 0,6 out of 4.
Just watch Marth's Experiment.I don't think people read where i said this nerf would be ideal in a future where the roles of survivors and killers are balanced, and not in the game in its current state.
That ideal future isn't happening before 2-3 years of patches, when the game will very likely be deserted.
I mean, just to implement a very few changes to DS, it's gonna take a whole 1 year and 9 months~
I doubt making plans for the "future" is a great thing in this game, unless you plan a long term relationship. -
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@Runiver said:
A similar idea have been tested in the previous PTBs.
And it has been so heavily abused that devs instantly removed it.Camping is already fine and fair : you're not supposed to get unhooked everytime. If you would, it would make getting hooked rather trivial, especially for a 1v4 game.
camping isn't fine and fair, the game may be easier for survivors but it's controlled by the killer. at the moement> @DasMurich said:
I had rare match today and landed 4/4, which was virtually handed to me. Got the first survivor on the hook and had 2 other survivors on my ass trying to get the one down, and they did, which resulted in the virtual instant death of that first one being hooked 3 times in quick succession. I never left the hook because the survivors would not leave. Their altruism got them killed, and pretty quickly. I got called a "camping #########" after the match.
I sometimes can't wrap my head around the level of entitlement I see from some survivors.
Fully understand where your're coming from as i actually play more killer than survivor and the same thing happens to me all the time. But even you can see as i can see form the way you said it that their over altruistic behaviour lead to their downfall, when really it should have just made the game slightly harder. If the nerf i suggested was in place, you would have got 2 kills but the other 2 could have time to get away and go back to generators. I think too many people think i'm a toxic survivor main and aren't thinking about the potential to this idea.
The game is totally in control of the survivors.
One of them may get caught and camped, eventually, which is "out of his control, once he get caught", but other than that, if survivors do play accordingly, the killrate of most killers won't exceed 0,6 out of 4.
Just watch Marth's Experiment.