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Would be too OP no dying state is enough
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Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD
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I got a better solution, I won't play killer this entire patch at all and probably many others will do the same with these insane survivor buffs.
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If you get shocked just keep running? he's slowing down while loading up the shock. ######### is it with survivors being this bad.
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A chase should last MAX 40 seconds, legion cannot down you within 40 secs with his power alone unless you're using very good addons.
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@The_Crusader said:
DarthPancake said:@The_Crusader said:
Lol the other day we had a camping killerm so we all stood in exit gates as long as possibke tbagging. The killer acted like we were rhe bad guys for rhat after the game
the nerve of some people.I've also caused hatch standoffs against camping killers. Well cant really cause it as a survivor but I'll wait a hatch and get their attention and they'll always take the bait. Its so easy to win as survivor, you can just browse the internet on your phone, and ifnyou hear your character get hit through earphones you just press a button. Killer has to have hand on mouse at all times. Its funny because you glance up and can see they're getting restless. Even had one guy disconnect on me. But again before anyone tries to call me the bad guy - I never forced a hatch standoff, they accepted it. They had every opportunity to just hit me and lose.
So yeah, play toxic and I'll be toxic in return.
Camping is unfortunately a valid way to play the game for some people as annoying as it is,you shouldnt be a little turd like this in retailiation.
Again...
Camping someone and ruining the game for them = perfrctly fine
Standing at the exit gates pressing the crouch button a few times = OMG DEVS FIX PLZ THIS IS SOOO UNFAIR!!!
Get a grip.
The title of this thread is literally to hold the game hostage which is a bannable offense.
If the devs were in any way serious about making this game fair then survivors who do nothing (neither rescue nor gens) for too long would be revealed similar to identity V.
I had tons of games where some idiot would not do gens after I 3manned them by camping, I don't give a crap if you're not having fun in the process I'm not the one breaking the rules. Since I'm not a DBD streamer I can just go afk tho while the guy holding the game hostage has to move to not be revealed.
Multiple Monitors that I earned through welfare allow me to still do other stuff while waiting for him to either leave or do a gen and by that reveal himself, other people who only have 1 monitor are basically ######### and therefore this system needs to be improved.
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@DarthPancake said:
@The_Crusader said:
Lol the other day we had a camping killerm so we all stood in exit gates as long as possibke tbagging. The killer acted like we were rhe bad guys for rhat after the game the nerve of some people.I've also caused hatch standoffs against camping killers. Well cant really cause it as a survivor but I'll wait a hatch and get their attention and they'll always take the bait. Its so easy to win as survivor, you can just browse the internet on your phone, and ifnyou hear your character get hit through earphones you just press a button. Killer has to have hand on mouse at all times. Its funny because you glance up and can see they're getting restless. Even had one guy disconnect on me. But again before anyone tries to call me the bad guy - I never forced a hatch standoff, they accepted it. They had every opportunity to just hit me and lose.
So yeah, play toxic and I'll be toxic in return.
Camping is unfortunately a valid way to play the game for some people as annoying as it is,you shouldnt be a little turd like this in retailiation.
Leatherface was literally made to camp, there's nothing "sad" about it. You have camping classes in shooters too like snipers, do you see people complain about that?
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@Boss said:
@ConsoleNurse said:
IF KILLER CAMP MY FRIENDS, I WILL TAKE THE GAME HOSTAGE NO MATTER WHAT"If Killer plays in a way i don't like, i'll break the rules."
Enjoy your ban.Sadly the forum accounts are not linked to steam/ps4 and there's no way for the devs to tell who's who.
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Love how biased survivor mains use killer names to look less biased but then have only survivor-sided posts lol.
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If the killer camps take your leave, there's no reason to whiteknight for your friend that got camped. If I get camped I literally don't give a #########, I'll watch something on youtube and tell the others to do gens, next game maybe I won't get camped or maybe I will.
It's like being pissed off at Spawnkillers in Overwatch, just do something else and accept defeat, that's what most sensible adults will do, in fact all of life gets easier if you're just quick to accept defeat and move on instead of being stubborn about it. Heck I don't even have a degree because I didn't even try, life's easy peasy, why make the game hard.
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@EntityDispleased said:
The_Crusader said:
Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Lol the other day we had a camping killerm so we all stood in exit gates as long as possibke tbagging. The killer acted like we were rhe bad guys for rhat after the game
the nerve of some people.I've also caused hatch standoffs against camping killers. Well cant really cause it as a survivor but I'll wait a hatch and get their attention and they'll always take the bait. Its so easy to win as survivor, you can just browse the internet on your phone, and ifnyou hear your character get hit through earphones you just press a button. Killer has to have hand on mouse at all times. Its funny because you glance up and can see they're getting restless. Even had one guy disconnect on me. But again before anyone tries to call me the bad guy - I never forced a hatch standoff, they accepted it. They had every opportunity to just hit me and lose.
So yeah, play toxic and I'll be toxic in return.
You were the bad guy in every one of those scenarios, just like the OP. Camping is an intended strategy, holding the game hostage is not. Good job on proving that you are bad for the community.
Oh here you are defending camping yet again.
Survivors can't hold the game hostage genius. Killer sees me at the hatch? Just hit and I jump out. I OFFERED a hatch standoff, they never had to accept it.
As for the exit gate thing it didn't last long. Killer came over and hit us and we went out. You can't really hold the game hostage as survivor.
So no, we're not the toxic ones. You can't tell other people how to play and have fun. Maybe I want to be chased out for those few extra points? Maybe I want to stay in the game a while longer for more points? Especially since you don't get many against a camping killer since you lose benevolence and evader pointsm
I like how even the most toxic of all killers are always innocent in your eyes. They can never do no wrong. No they're the toxic ones and people lile you who defend every scummy thing in the game are bad for the community.
"But but only the killer is allowed to be toxic!!!"
Lmao give me a break.
Sure you can hold the game hostage as survivor. I had a game where I killed 3 people with 5 gens left and the last guy was a green top Claudette with urban evasion on autohaven. He kept sneaking around for 20 minutes, did absolutely [BAD WORD] all but waste my time and be a dick. Also had a brown top Claudette on grim pantry, kept sneaking around like a moron for 10-20 minutes, then when I call him out for being an absolute knobhead all he says is "that's what you deserve
". If they would've not made the mistake of showing themselves to me it could've gone on for hours.If anything, survivors are more likely to hold the game hostage in most cases. But then again I've seen you defend anything and everything survivor related so I doubt you'll have it in you to process anything I've said about survivors being able to hold games hostage.
Yeah if a survivor doesn't even touch a gen beyond 5% progression for 10+ minutes he should be autorevealed by crows imo.
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@The_Crusader said:
powerbats said:@The_Crusader said:
So again tell me how survivors can hold the game hostage without cheating? Because off the top of my head I can't think of anything.
You can basically play hide and seek and if there's more than 1 person doing it with say bond in both exit gates you can easily do it. If the killer doesn't have NOED or it's not permanent Evil III Myers they can just sit safely inside or near the exit gates.
The sneakiest person and also probably the one wIth SB/UE/Fleet Footwork and w/e perks helps can roam the map always hiding from the killer. They can do that solo or with anyone that they play with.
So both sides can and do take the game hostage and both sides are breaking the rules and can be punished for doing so.
The killer can still do something about it.
Still I dont go that far. I just stand at the exit gates tbagging until they force me out. It hurts their pride.
But again I ONLY do this to hard camping killers. The kind who hook their first guy and refuse to move. I never do it to normal killers.
I don't see how you can facecamp a guy and then act shocked when survivors get salty in return.
Jokes on you, once exit gates open I mostly just go afk until the remaining survivors leave and do dishes or some crap like that. Can't report me for holding the game hostage and while you sit on the PC needing to hear if I hit you I just enjoy my time someplace else.
Had this happen alot during my depipping time and it's funny because they think they hurt me but in reality I just get more iridescent shards the longer you stay and don't know if I'm afk or just looking for you.
I had hatch standoffs where I was able to completely clean my floor while the guys were walking around, since I got 2 monitors I was enjoying some supernatural on the second monitor.
So I'm not only wasting your own time but that of your friends too.
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@Vietfox said:
Malakir said:
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Iceman said:What do you platform do you play on because I would like to play against you right now. Anyone who plays clown gets an average of 1-2 kills per match.
The clown is not op. It is so easy to dodge his bottles. He can still get looped.
Wrong, clown is op in the right hands, as it should be.
Yeah and today in a beautiful green sky when I played DbD I wrecked people by flying with the clown putting jack in the boxes everywhere scaring the living ######### out of people
I'm sorry you don't know how to play with the clown.
I'm sorry you just play 50% of the game
I don't, i play both killer and survivor, try again.
If you played more as a killer you would know that the clown is not as bad as you think.So now you know what I think?
I just stated and mads it clearl isn't even slightly opened, he's mid tier in my tier list but nothing special
Your mind reads are pretty weak, try again
You are just guessing mate, can you provide some real proof?
Wat
Wait what??
Please tell me what you smoke, it must be really good. I have no idea what are you talking aboutMmh i see, u dont understand.
The clown is mid tier due to your skills.
I'm not saying i'm good with the clown, but i've seen clowns keeping the map pressure as good as a billy.
@Blueberry has over 2K hours and despite the fact that we usually disagree he will tell you that the clown is a good killer as well.Good killer isn't mid tier? Wait what?
Dude now I seriously doubt your sanity. Mid tier is the new trash tier? And now what's this Clown as equal as billy, are you okay?
That statement alone is so dumb, okay whatever dude. I really don't know what to tell you if you think one char that have a power nurse like with instadown that can make pressure over the entire map in seconds at the same level as a M1 killer with bottles to slow survivors I don't know what to tell you
I actually won't even talk to you honestly after seeing dozen of posts from you with this kind of flawed logic. You might be rank 20 or just played for less than 2weeks, that might be it, still we cannot agree in anything. When you start thinking then maybe we can have a discussion
Good killer = above mid tier
Keep it that way mate, i like it when someone is that hostile. Makes me be right.
Edit: yeah, rank 20 mate, whatever makes you feel betterSo what's this video for? to show how easy survivor is?
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@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Rules made by the company are indeed something that most true gamers don't really give a single crap about and why would they? Heck in germany even signing a contract like the TOS is not binding to us and can and will be overthrown in court easily if it breaches customerrights.Then those gamers shouldn't get pissy when they get banned for breaking the rules.
paid 60 bucks for a game that they ofc won't get back, yeah they have every right to be pissy esp if they actually did not commit a hatecrime but basically just paid 60 bucks to further somebody else's career who's just gonna spend the money on illegal ######### himself anyways.
They have no right to be pissy when they did things they knew would get them banned. Or worse, when they didn't even care enough to learn which things would get them banned. It was on them to prevent it. If and when you get kicked out of the apartment you're illegally occupying, don't pretend you're not to blame.
Nobody reads the game TOS, literally nobody. Heck I didn't even read my work contract.
It's btw called a lawyer and if the game breaks local laws then they have no chance of enforcing these bans, the thing is nobody would go to a lawyer and pay 4000+ over some 60 bucks video game.
You should've read your contract. You'd be surprised what kind of crap doesn't break local laws but will [BAD WORD] you over just the same.
As for the TOS, basic common sense will tell you that you probably shouldn't be spouting racist, sexist, or homophobic bullshit. That is, unless you're racist, sexist, or homophobic yourself, in which case you think it's perfectly fine to be that way.You went to the Anita Sarkeesian school of argumentation I see, ppl spout racist, homophobic stuff all the time without meaning it, it's called not being part of the "upper" echelons of society and it's pretty much the way many of us talk. Tell me how would you survive in any school environment below middle school?
I can't stand the sight of her nor her voice. Regardless, do you think that applies to the post-game chat? Do you think people spouting racist, etc., stuff in the post-game chat are doing it in jest? Or do you think it's because they actually want to be #########?
I get called everything under the sun because I mostly BM ingame and then write reports myself that I earned through toxic gameplay, but I literally don't give a ######### what some pasty nerd calls me over the screen.
You're really overthiniking things, maybe read less books n stuff.
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@Orion said:
@Theluckyboi said:
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@Theluckyboi said:
@Orion said:
@Theluckyboi said:
I think you all missed the point of the converstion, should minor offenses be bannable?You consider them "minor offenses". The devs do not. Can you guess whose opinion actually matters?
If the devs consider them why are they ignoring them? as i said i am not a PC player but above i read devs are doing nothing to ban these people, and i think they are not because they do consider them minor offenses.
They're not ignoring them. People get banned all the time.
Uhh
@zacmangaming said:
I don't even bother reporting Survivors like that since I know nothing will be done. For a dev team that claims to have 200+ people It's astounding that they couldn't focus on getting a half decent report featureThat person is wrong. Peanits has shown several times that reports are handled and bans handed out. There are threads by people who were banned after each and every ban wave. However, because they don't get a personal message saying "So and so player was banned", and because temporary bans don't show up on Steam profiles, people ignorant to the latter and expecting the former end up believing that bans just don't happen.
Well, i ought to trust you, it´s just that it is silly getting mad over some "light" hearted insults
More people get mad for being reported and banned. Disproportionately so. This "anti-SJW" movement is proof of that. They don't want to be held accountable for what they say and do, so they label basic civility as the enemy, and many other people fall for it.
Sounds like you love SJWs. Most people just hate the fact that the internet is the wild West, was always and should always be the wild west. heck the videos I watched when I was a kid and the websites are visited is something that people are missing out big time right now because everything is being controlled and sheep cheer on being controlled by ppl who have no clue about real life.
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@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Rules made by the company are indeed something that most true gamers don't really give a single crap about and why would they? Heck in germany even signing a contract like the TOS is not binding to us and can and will be overthrown in court easily if it breaches customerrights.Then those gamers shouldn't get pissy when they get banned for breaking the rules.
paid 60 bucks for a game that they ofc won't get back, yeah they have every right to be pissy esp if they actually did not commit a hatecrime but basically just paid 60 bucks to further somebody else's career who's just gonna spend the money on illegal ######### himself anyways.
They have no right to be pissy when they did things they knew would get them banned. Or worse, when they didn't even care enough to learn which things would get them banned. It was on them to prevent it. If and when you get kicked out of the apartment you're illegally occupying, don't pretend you're not to blame.
Nobody reads the game TOS, literally nobody. Heck I didn't even read my work contract.
It's btw called a lawyer and if the game breaks local laws then they have no chance of enforcing these bans, the thing is nobody would go to a lawyer and pay 4000+ over some 60 bucks video game.
You should've read your contract. You'd be surprised what kind of crap doesn't break local laws but will [BAD WORD] you over just the same.
As for the TOS, basic common sense will tell you that you probably shouldn't be spouting racist, sexist, or homophobic bullshit. That is, unless you're racist, sexist, or homophobic yourself, in which case you think it's perfectly fine to be that way.You went to the Anita Sarkeesian school of argumentation I see, ppl spout racist, homophobic stuff all the time without meaning it, it's called not being part of the "upper" echelons of society and it's pretty much the way many of us talk. Tell me how would you survive in any school environment below middle school?
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@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Rules made by the company are indeed something that most true gamers don't really give a single crap about and why would they? Heck in germany even signing a contract like the TOS is not binding to us and can and will be overthrown in court easily if it breaches customerrights.Then those gamers shouldn't get pissy when they get banned for breaking the rules.
paid 60 bucks for a game that they ofc won't get back, yeah they have every right to be pissy esp if they actually did not commit a hatecrime but basically just paid 60 bucks to further somebody else's career who's just gonna spend the money on illegal ######### himself anyways.
They have no right to be pissy when they did things they knew would get them banned. Or worse, when they didn't even care enough to learn which things would get them banned. It was on them to prevent it. If and when you get kicked out of the apartment you're illegally occupying, don't pretend you're not to blame.
Nobody reads the game TOS, literally nobody. Heck I didn't even read my work contract. Rules are broken left and right in the real world, I suggest you try it out.
It's btw called a lawyer and if the game breaks local laws then they have no chance of enforcing these bans, the thing is nobody would go to a lawyer and pay 4000+ over some 60 bucks video game.
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@Nickenzie said:
MhhBurgers said:@Nickenzie said:
Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said: @Orion said: @MhhBurgers said: The amount of SJWs is already way to high. And a lifetime ban for something that was an obvious joke? Yeah totally not a PR stunt. The amount of people who oppose basic respect because they think it's "SJW" is too damn high. Congrats on falling for common manipulation tactics.
It's a friggin role-playing video game and tbh I would count that as in character, but "homophobic slurs" seems to be a much harder subject than childrape in fallout 3 and shooting people on sight.
Stuff like this is why I regret coming to the west. It's the rules everyone agreed to upon purchasing the game. If you didn't agree with them, you shouldn't have purchased the game. It's that simple.
^Bràvo! Couldn't have said it any better!
How many contract rules are you breaking in your life but you seem to care alot about video game rules LUL.
If I didn't care about my video game rules then I wouldn't be here because I would already be banned. Ofc I'm not perfect but I do learn from my mistakes and try to improve, thanks for asking.
I bet you're also one of the ppl who believe that steam accounts will be banned if you behave badly enough, the rules in this game aren't being enforced unless you're seriously hacking, this goes for most games by the way.
And as said, most true gamers break rules left and right anyways, starts at pirating everything. There's a reason why mainstream media hates us.
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@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Rules made by the company are indeed something that most true gamers don't really give a single crap about and why would they? Heck in germany even signing a contract like the TOS is not binding to us and can and will be overthrown in court easily if it breaches customerrights.Then those gamers shouldn't get pissy when they get banned for breaking the rules.
paid 60 bucks for a game that they ofc won't get back, yeah they have every right to be pissy esp if they actually did not commit a hatecrime but basically just paid 60 bucks to further somebody else's career who's just gonna spend the money on illegal ######### himself anyways.
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@Nickenzie said:
Orion said:@MhhBurgers said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
The amount of SJWs is already way to high.
And a lifetime ban for something that was an obvious joke? Yeah totally not a PR stunt.
The amount of people who oppose basic respect because they think it's "SJW" is too damn high. Congrats on falling for common manipulation tactics.
It's a friggin role-playing video game and tbh I would count that as in character, but "homophobic slurs" seems to be a much harder subject than childrape in fallout 3 and shooting people on sight.
Stuff like this is why I regret coming to the west.
It's the rules everyone agreed to upon purchasing the game. If you didn't agree with them, you shouldn't have purchased the game. It's that simple.
^Bràvo! Couldn't have said it any better!
How many contract rules are you breaking in your life but you seem to care alot about video game rules LUL.
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@Orion said:
@Theluckyboi said:
@Orion said:
@Theluckyboi said:
Saying something harmful like what? calling someone gay or stupid?Yes, that would be a couple examples.
If the goal isn't to insult or harm, then why say or do things that are insulting and harmful? If I kick you in the balls and say "Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you", would you believe me?But i dont understand, why would someone get harmed for being called gay or stupid? it´s not the same as getting kicked in the balls, you must live with it.
How about if I just threatened you a lot and claimed it was a joke? Would you believe me?
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
The amount of SJWs is already way to high.And a lifetime ban for something that was an obvious joke? Yeah totally not a PR stunt.
The amount of people who oppose basic respect because they think it's "SJW" is too damn high. Congrats on falling for common manipulation tactics.
It's a friggin role-playing video game and tbh I would count that as in character, but "homophobic slurs" seems to be a much harder subject than childrape in fallout 3 and shooting people on sight.
Stuff like this is why I regret coming to the west.
It's the rules everyone agreed to upon purchasing the game. If you didn't agree with them, you shouldn't have purchased the game. It's that simple.
Rules made by the company are indeed something that most true gamers don't really give a single crap about and why would they? Heck in germany even signing a contract like the TOS is not binding to us and can and will be overthrown in court easily if it breaches customerrights.
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@Nickenzie said:
Theluckyboi said:@Nickenzie said:
Theluckyboi said:
@Orion said: @Theluckyboi said: @Orion said: @Theluckyboi said: i dont get mad, i just find strange the fact that some people get so triggered because of some joke, being so sensitive is not good for anyone. I'd argue that blatant disregard for the rules is worse for the game than people taking offense to hate speech. And yes, it is hate speech. It's the same terminology used by people who will happily announce their wish to murder all homosexuals, among other minority groups. Maybe you just don't get it because you're not part of a group that is still illegal in parts of the world. Dude, i am Mexican, i get """hate speech""" from americans all the time and i know when they are joking and when they are trying to "harm my feelings", it´s no big deal honestly, people like to make this kind of "dark humored" jokes all the time and until know they are getting attention for a completely stupid reason. And in post-game chat, people are always just trying to be dicks. Exactly, people are not trying to "harm" anybody, they are just salty because they lost.
Saying that people aren't trying to harm others when they said something that can harm others is very contradicting.
Saying something harmful like what? calling someone gay or stupid?
Any insult (regardless if it's a joke or not), is against the "F.Q.A and rules".
So much for the roleplaying aspect of this "sandbox" game. I guess the devs thought sandbox in terms of "Yeah, Kindergarden sandbox where every corner is made of styrofoam so the poor kiddies can't hurt themselves while they shoot people in the head".
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@Orion said:
@Crow said:
Are you guys serious? Do you really get offended because some kid that you don't know in real life called you gay? I don't know how you deal with real life then.Are you serious? Do you really get triggered because some kid that you don't know in real life is being punished for breaking the rules? I don't know how you deal with real life then.
Are you really gonna be that kind of hypocrite? How many rules do you break daily? How many laws?
Heck, my whole life currently is based on breaking conracts, I wouldn't even have a flat if I was a standup honest guy (got this student-flat that is meant for students by pretending to be one)
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@Orion said:
@MhhBurgers said:
The amount of SJWs is already way to high.And a lifetime ban for something that was an obvious joke? Yeah totally not a PR stunt.
The amount of people who oppose basic respect because they think it's "SJW" is too damn high. Congrats on falling for common manipulation tactics.
It's a friggin role-playing video game and tbh I would count that as in character, but "homophobic slurs" seems to be a much harder subject than childrape in fallout 3 and shooting people on sight.
Stuff like this is why I regret coming to the west.
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The amount of SJWs is already way to high.
And a lifetime ban for something that was an obvious joke? Yeah totally not a PR stunt.
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the bodyblocking doesn't work most of the time.
Also what's the point? freddy gets a free hit after dream transition if he uses good addons too, the difference is he'll stay at 115% ms while legion sprints at a laughable 120%.
ppl here defending a 110% ms char that has a 120% sprint and needs 5 hits to down a survivor are hillarious, citing some noname streamer because he got a few stuns in against ppl who don't know of this strategy (hint, the stun is long enough for the survivor to reach a different loop)
I bet it's the exitgate block clip which is stupidly situational btw. Most topkillers already said it: there's no reason to play him over any other killer beyond being fun.
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@The_Crusader said:
MhhBurgers said:@The_Crusader said:
MhhBurgers said:
I stopped using SB because I want to incentivize survivors to heal up, the worse counter for him is survivors just staying injured and doing gens, those were the games that I lost hard. To be fair that's the worst counter for every killer.
But at least then it's only 1 hit to KO them. Also bring thanatophobia. They either heal or they lose 15% action speed on everything.
Not healing up against freddy/wraith/myers or any ambush killer is asking for trouble so no, I can't agree on this.
Not healing up against any killer is asking for trouble.
But go watch some of truetalents recent videos. When he faces top class survivors a lot of them don't bother healing up no matter which killer he picks because they don't want to waste time healing, that's why he stopped taking sloppy butcher.
Which gets me back to the point: his power is pointless because the meta is gonna shift heavily towards not healing up against killers like him. Freddy wastes more time by putting you into dreamworld than this guy.
And the biggest difference is that these killers have 115% ms and often face the same targets that Legion faces (injured survivors) so what's the point of playing him at high ranks?
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@BeanieEnthusiast said:
@Toxicity23 said:
@BeanieEnthusiast said:
@Toxicity23 said:
Wait a minute, I just realized something. Why are you only comparing Freddy to Wraith and Leatherface? Is it because someone brought them up, now were not bothering with comparing Freddy to other killers?Because Wraith and Cannibal are worse if you just compare the base powers and what they contribute to the game. I'm not saying Freddy is the best killer I'm just saying he's better than what everyone thinks.
... Huh. Nonetheless he still needs a buff. Maybe a Rework of his powers. Just because he's better than 2 killers does not mean freddy suddenly doesn't need a buff.
He really doesn't need any changes. It's piss easy to 4k with him if you play him right. Even with no perks.
I've seen monto get 2+ks with a 100% ms tier 1 myers on the burgerking build, does that mean that all killers need is 100% ms now and they'd still be viable according to your flawless logic?
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@The_Crusader said:
MhhBurgers said:I stopped using SB because I want to incentivize survivors to heal up, the worse counter for him is survivors just staying injured and doing gens, those were the games that I lost hard.
To be fair that's the worst counter for every killer.
But at least then it's only 1 hit to KO them. Also bring thanatophobia. They either heal or they lose 15% action speed on everything.
Not healing up against freddy/wraith/myers or any ambush killer is asking for trouble so no, I can't agree on this.
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@Peanits said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Peanits said:
I'm not exactly on the dev team (not making the game, just taking people out of it), but I do work for BHVR. I just played a bunch of killer games against a mix of those perks (odds of running into a full squad running exactly those perks are astronomically low). I averaged 2-4 kills.¯_(ツ)_/¯
I never dodge anything, so I've just learned to counter it.
At most I will average 3 kills on legion, there's no way you average 4 kills on him unless you're not in red ranks or spam purple addons. Survs already figured out how to play vs him it seems.
There was no mention of legion in the OP.
Oh I thought I was on the PTB forum lol.
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@Peanits said:
I'm not exactly on the dev team (not making the game, just taking people out of it), but I do work for BHVR. I just played a bunch of killer games against a mix of those perks (odds of running into a full squad running exactly those perks are astronomically low). I averaged 2-4 kills.¯_(ツ)_/¯
I never dodge anything, so I've just learned to counter it.
At most I will average 3 kills on legion it's probably more around 2.5 I didn't keep track, out of around 15 games I had 2 games where more than 1 escaped but that's me playing the tunnel-game on him with a maximized playstyle which tbh isn't fun at all. there's no way you average 4 kills on him unless you're not in red ranks or spam purple addons. Survs already figured out how to play vs him it seems.
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Dreamnomad highrank survs could go perkless against mathieu cote and still win
I mean he seems like a likeable guy but he's just not good at the game.
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Deep wound on static shock would be ridiculously broken.
Same goes for Freddy since after his transition he's a M1 killer and with the right perks will get a free hit in.
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it's funny what counts as a crutchperk btw.
Imo bamboozle is straight up one of the biggest crutchperks in this game, you can build a bruteforce killer with bamboozle, enduring and spirit fury and just run down a survivor with this setup with minimum mindgame required but ooooh if you run NOED with remember me, man then you're in for a treat postgame.
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@ScottJund said:
Nowhere in any of the points defending The Legion does anyone actually say how to down people.The Legion defenders typically are ppl who think healing up against a legion running sloppy butcher monitor and abuse and distressing is gonna be viable.
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I stopped using SB because I want to incentivize survivors to heal up, the worse counter for him is survivors just staying injured and doing gens, those were the games that I lost hard.
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He literally does not work without frank's mixtape.
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This killer is hillarious, he shows the survivor's true colors. Watch how ppl will want nurse to do "deep wounds" and hit survivors 3 times at least to down them
at least on PBT most ppl know they are crap. haven't seen a single guy at r1-3 say he's strong.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
MhhBurgers said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
MhhBurgers said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: MhhBurgers said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: MhhBurgers said:
So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre. Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody. fun concept, for survivor players at least. It’s pretty contradicting that you call players “mid-tier” and then they get 4K games with Legion. After they get 4K games and after calling them mid-tier at best you still call their gameplay with Legion “mediocre” just shows you’re the only mediocre player here.
lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?! Getting a 4k means jackshit in a game that has no dedicated ranked mode. Heck I went mericiless with freddy before all of the survivor nerfs till rank 2 in every game without godtier perks/addons, I didn't even have ruin at that time. I'm calling true mostly mid-tier because he's very oblivious to many mechanics but that's probably more due to him being an entertainer and paying so much attention to his twitch chat, his mindgames and nurse-plays are pretty much on point. He's slow in figuring him out, Zubatlel on the other hand is much faster in this regard and still only put up mediocre gameplays, have you seen these guys play nurse/billy or heck even spirit? It's night and day compared to this guy. I don't care if these people 4k on him, the difference is that they are visibly doing worse on him than let's say one of the most balanced killers in the game: Billy. “Visibly doing worse”, another killer main looking at the glass half empty and completely full of confirmation bias.
Keep looking at this amazing game that way, you obviously don’t understand the time and effort the devs put into balancing this killer and the skills required to use him. And you're obviously a survivor main, if you can't see the difference between this: and his neweset gameplay then have it your way
Lmao I think you need to take a break, try civilization!
Don't worry, I usually play high skillcap games where ppl like you usually lunger around the bottom 50% ranks, yeah you might have more fun than me doing so with friends but at least I am somewhat knowledgable at what I'm talking about which is always what counted in gamer culture
Yeah cause contradicting yourself over and over again and then calling yourself smart really shows us a lot about the kind of person you are, good luck though!
And who are you? A survivor that wants a killer that takes 5 hits to kill somebody with each individual hit btw not resetting mend-healing so sometimes survivors can mend right in your face giving some nice freddy vibes.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
MhhBurgers said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
MhhBurgers said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: MhhBurgers said:
So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre. Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody. fun concept, for survivor players at least. It’s pretty contradicting that you call players “mid-tier” and then they get 4K games with Legion. After they get 4K games and after calling them mid-tier at best you still call their gameplay with Legion “mediocre” just shows you’re the only mediocre player here.
lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?! Getting a 4k means jackshit in a game that has no dedicated ranked mode. Heck I went mericiless with freddy before all of the survivor nerfs till rank 2 in every game without godtier perks/addons, I didn't even have ruin at that time. I'm calling true mostly mid-tier because he's very oblivious to many mechanics but that's probably more due to him being an entertainer and paying so much attention to his twitch chat, his mindgames and nurse-plays are pretty much on point. He's slow in figuring him out, Zubatlel on the other hand is much faster in this regard and still only put up mediocre gameplays, have you seen these guys play nurse/billy or heck even spirit? It's night and day compared to this guy. I don't care if these people 4k on him, the difference is that they are visibly doing worse on him than let's say one of the most balanced killers in the game: Billy. “Visibly doing worse”, another killer main looking at the glass half empty and completely full of confirmation bias.
Keep looking at this amazing game that way, you obviously don’t understand the time and effort the devs put into balancing this killer and the skills required to use him.
And you're obviously a survivor main, if you can't see the difference between this: and his neweset gameplay then have it your way
Lmao I think you need to take a break, try civilization!
Don't worry, I usually play high skillcap games where ppl like you usually lunger around the bottom 50% ranks, yeah you might have more fun than me doing so with friends but at least I am somewhat knowledgable at what I'm talking about which is always what counted in gamer culture
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
MhhBurgers said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
MhhBurgers said:
So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre. Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody. fun concept, for survivor players at least. It’s pretty contradicting that you call players “mid-tier” and then they get 4K games with Legion. After they get 4K games and after calling them mid-tier at best you still call their gameplay with Legion “mediocre” just shows you’re the only mediocre player here.
lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?!
Getting a 4k means jackshit in a game that has no dedicated ranked mode. Heck I went mericiless with freddy before all of the survivor nerfs till rank 2 in every game without godtier perks/addons, I didn't even have ruin at that time.
I'm calling true mostly mid-tier because he's very oblivious to many mechanics but that's probably more due to him being an entertainer and paying so much attention to his twitch chat, his mindgames and nurse-plays are pretty much on point.
He's slow in figuring him out, Zubatlel on the other hand is much faster in this regard and still only put up mediocre gameplays, have you seen these guys play nurse/billy or heck even spirit? It's night and day compared to this guy.
I don't care if these people 4k on him, the difference is that they are visibly doing worse on him than let's say one of the most balanced killers in the game: Billy.
“Visibly doing worse”, another killer main looking at the glass half empty and completely full of confirmation bias.
Keep looking at this amazing game that way, you obviously don’t understand the time and effort the devs put into balancing this killer and the skills required to use him.
And you're obviously a survivor main, if you can't see the difference between this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4njcGUvgcZI and his neweset gameplay then have it your way -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
MhhBurgers said:So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre.
Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody.
fun concept, for survivor players at least.
It’s pretty contradicting that you call players “mid-tier” and then they get 4K games with Legion. After they get 4K games and after calling them mid-tier at best you still call their gameplay with Legion “mediocre” just shows you’re the only mediocre player here.
lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?!
Getting a 4k means jackshit in a game that has no dedicated ranked mode. Heck I went mericiless with freddy before all of the survivor nerfs till rank 2 in every game without godtier perks/addons, I didn't even have ruin at that time.
I'm calling true mostly mid-tier because he's very oblivious to many mechanics but that's probably more due to him being an entertainer and paying so much attention to his twitch chat, his mindgames and nurse-plays are pretty much on point.
He's slow in figuring him out, Zubatlel on the other hand is much faster in this regard and still only put up mediocre gameplays, have you seen these guys play nurse/billy or heck even spirit? It's night and day compared to this guy.
I don't care if these people 4k on him, the difference is that they are visibly doing worse on him than let's say one of the most balanced killers in the game: Billy.
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So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre.
Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody.
fun concept, for survivor players at least.
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The problem is that he is easily countered:
Don't heal up, there's no point, he will hit you.
Once somebody gets hit with frenzy and ur in TR run away unless you suspect that he has the ultra-rare addon then just continue to repair.Once survs realize this he will get genrushed to oblivion.
@Speshul_Kitten I literally don't care what the devs think on how he should be played, they are not top-level players and play this game basically casually and want to balance it like this. That's fine by itself but it's like saying "dude, listen to game journalists when it comes to games", I'll stick to actual gamer's opinions. Monto btw runs legion around like a rosie currently.
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Nothing impressive from this DowseyGG guy unless you want to show me that survivors don't know how to deal with him yet by doing stupid crap like dropping pallets when he's in frenzy or trying to play immersed once their mates get the huge orange healthbar. Again yeah he can kill people woopdiedoo but I think I can speak for most killer players that we don't care if we get another wraith who can do decent but falls short over the benchmark killers.
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He literally doesn't require mind games at all. He requires you to injure everybody and then basically get lucky on downing somebody who didn't pay attention, either that or have your tracking game on par and hope the surv you injured doesn't run iron will.. Baffling gameplay, why should I play this guy over billy/nurse or heck even the spirit?
Truetalent a mid tier killer at best kay, zubatlel is midtier at best too then because he also sucked with him compared to other killers.
It's not about getting 3 or 4kills occasionally when we talk about balance it's about how consistent a killer is, getting somebody downed feels like a ton of work on this guy for the wrong reason.
We're talking dead by daylight here, not friggin chess.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
But seriously, go watch Panda’s video on how he uses legion, he is a Mid-Tier Killer at best and he’s able to tear [BAD WORD] up with Legion successfully.Watched a game where survs took 3+ mins to repair a gen, turned it off because that's not a realistic display at all.
btw using rare addons every game is not viable for most people
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@The_Daydreamer said:
@MhhBurgers said:
wow u 4k'd on the game with a killer that feels like he was made for this map /slowclapI can show you different videos, if you want. There is no need to be rude.
U can 4k with a 100% ms t1 myers in this game because even R1 survivors will occasionally be total noobs.
All of your tips are pointless because the killer is pretty basic. can you down the person with your M1? don't use power.
Try to hit as many ppl as possible with it and break chase as often as you can so they lose deep wounds timer.
Rinse and repeat. He's a basic M1 killer and the only difference is that his power should not be used in succession unless you know that you won't catch that survivor without spending alot of time on him.
1 of the 2 things
1.He needs 115% base MS to actually be able to down any decent survivors.
2. Mending Deep Wounds needs to be considerably louder than it is right now (I think there's no sound at all currently), getting hit by another stab resets the deep wound healing (why is this not a thing in general, dafuck? in theory it could take you 6(!) hits to down a survivor with frenzy.Because losing people on purpose becomes unviable against good survivors due to the fact that deep wounds get mended so quickly or is heavily reliant on the map (the game being notorious for not losing survivors btw)
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@The_Daydreamer said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3h4bQ_70cIThats how I play the Legion, if this helps someone:
1.Find and M2 a survivor. Always M2, if they are not injured!
2 Look if you can see other survivors.
3.Now you need to decide: Is it a good idea to follow the injured survivor or do you want to hit the other one? And is it possible to hit him?
4.Is here a big loop or can I cancel the second possible M2 hit, so I can hit the injured survivor with my weapon, so the borrowed time effects end.
5.Always try to chainattack. And always decide to cancel the M2 charge or use the speed to bring the survivor in a bad position.
6.If you want to play around the M2 Effect, then just chase them without the hunting music. They are gonna run away, so the timer is going down and if they dont, you gonna hit them with your weapon. If you want I can upload a video with this, but it will take some time with my 4K Internet (So sad ;W; )
7.Never, and I mean never, just go for one and the same person, if it takes too much time. Killers that are too lazy gonna lose.
8.Before I forget it: Use your M2 Speed to force some survivors to drop pallets!I played like 10 matches with him. The first two I got completely destroyed. Like holy #########, that was awful. But after them I understand his mechanic and changed my playstyle. Please dont get to frustrated, not every Killer is a "Play 1 Hours and you will be a mastermind"-Killer. Take your time, lose some trials and get better.
wow u 4k'd on the game with a killer that feels like he was made for this map /slowclap
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The people who say that his power is not meant to down people.
Have you tried downing a decent survivor with 110%MS? It won't happen and no, bamboozle won't help you with it.