The legion is trash
There is a lot of people saying he's good, even saw someone saying hes on the top 5 best killers (???), but he's just... bad.
(I'm going to refer as a "him", because I play as Frank)
Everyone says the right way to play this killer is to hit someone to apply the deep wound status effect, and then go to find other survivor and repeat, this way you're applying pressure. But this is just like communism, sounds good on paper but its really bad on practice.
Lets say you hit someone during your frenzy, then you go to another survivor, do the same, then go to another survivor and do the same, now, this way yo have 3 survivors on the deep wound, and now what? by the time you hit your last survivor, all the others you've applied deep wound would have escaped to the other side of the map and probably healed, so you end chasing that last survivor with 110% speed. The 2 ways to down someone is: 1) they're really bad or mess up so you actually have a chance to catch them, or 2) you go on frenzy again and hit them 4 or 5 times
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The legion is worse than Freddy, how tf do devs managed to do a killer thats worse than freddy?
Im not gonna even complain about the hit + "fatigue" beacuse im 100% sure they'll fix it.
Despite all this bad things, I still love the game and im going to still playing for a lot of time, but its feels bad that the dev team thought this was a good idea, this patch is worse than that patch were you could blind the killer at any point of the animation.
Even borrowed time got a buff that wasnt necessary and no one asked for, now if the gates are powered and you have borrowed time, you're out.
His perks are not the best ones, but they're fun, thats the only thing that I like.
Anyways, the killer is still brand new, so I have faith things will change for good.
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pls no
Watched a game where survs took 3+ mins to repair a gen, turned it off because that's not a realistic display at all.
btw using rare addons every game is not viable for most people
That video looked like a setup, even if it was not meant to be. He's playing with other people in KYF so it's likely the survivors knew what he was running and they deliberately played in a way to showcase the new perks and Feral Frenzy at its best.
Even if none of it was planned there was one(1) instance where Legion did some good work, and it's the part that's in the intro as well.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=szbPKNVXpLE
Video in question
He literally doesn't require mind games at all. He requires you to injure everybody and then basically get lucky on downing somebody who didn't pay attention, either that or have your tracking game on par and hope the surv you injured doesn't run iron will.. Baffling gameplay, why should I play this guy over billy/nurse or heck even the spirit?
Truetalent a mid tier killer at best kay, zubatlel is midtier at best too then because he also sucked with him compared to other killers.
It's not about getting 3 or 4kills occasionally when we talk about balance it's about how consistent a killer is, getting somebody downed feels like a ton of work on this guy for the wrong reason.
We're talking dead by daylight here, not friggin chess.
Yes im kinda dissapointed too.
But on the other hand, the devs also said that not all killers are supposed to be viable at high rank
Ik Tru3Ta1ent is mid tier at best that what I said.
By you saying, “getting someone downed feels like a lot of work” just shows that you aren’t using him correctly. The devs were pretty clear on how to use him in a prior post. I can redirect you to a post if you’d like a breakdown.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/32479/the-legion-problem-reasoning-and-justification/p1
Lmao. Well said.
If you manage to hit all 4 survivors then no the first one won't be healed. They can't do it that fast. Besides they have to mend....and then heal on top of that, or chose not to heal and walk around beijg 1 hit from death.
Also the hit fatigue on the last guy. You're meant to hit to apply deep wound which refills your stamina bar, then you run up next to him or ahead of him like wraith and then manually cancel your power with M2, you're NOT meant to hit a second time.
If you manually cancel you get a short stun but you'll still be very close to the survivor.
If you hit them twice to cancel fury you'll get stun + attack cooldown + they'll get a speed boost from the hit.
Go watch Dowseygg stream on twitch. He's cracked it. Will show you how he's played.
His map pressure is immense. Not the best at downing but he definitely prolongs the game.
New killer might be around mid tier.
Nothing impressive from this DowseyGG guy unless you want to show me that survivors don't know how to deal with him yet by doing stupid crap like dropping pallets when he's in frenzy or trying to play immersed once their mates get the huge orange healthbar. Again yeah he can kill people woopdiedoo but I think I can speak for most killer players that we don't care if we get another wraith who can do decent but falls short over the benchmark killers.
Yes, I meant that after hitting the last survivor, all the other 3 probably have mended, so you end up in a loop where the only way to end a chase is chasing survivors without using frenzy, and this wouldnt be a problem, but he has 110% speed.
The same thing happens if you use frenzy just to get closer to a survivor, the stun is long enough to them to get to a safe area (not 100% of the times tho).
I have to disagree with that, even if that was true, its not fun at all, is like saying that a doc who camp 3 gens and prolongs the game is good just because the gens are slow af.
From my point of view, downing and prolonging the game have to be balanced (or at least be good at downing) because prolonging the game and getting low downings is, like I said, not fun at all.
The problem is that he is easily countered:
Don't heal up, there's no point, he will hit you.
Once somebody gets hit with frenzy and ur in TR run away unless you suspect that he has the ultra-rare addon then just continue to repair.
Once survs realize this he will get genrushed to oblivion.
@Speshul_Kitten I literally don't care what the devs think on how he should be played, they are not top-level players and play this game basically casually and want to balance it like this. That's fine by itself but it's like saying "dude, listen to game journalists when it comes to games", I'll stick to actual gamer's opinions. Monto btw runs legion around like a rosie currently.
Thats why i gave 2 different examples of other YouTubers (who aren’t devs if it matters now), who actually use Legion and not play against him.
Learning to use Legion is more important than watching a survivor with years of experience play against him. I would give you credit if Monto made a video of himself playing AS Legion vs playing against him, but of course it would contradict his already uploaded video. C’mon eve you could’ve figure that out.
So the only thing you had to show for was killers with literally 5000+ hours on their hands do mediocre.
Enjoy your worse billy then, I'll keep instadowning people that are caught out with a killer that has basically omnipresence on the map unless it's the game/lery's. Heck you could pick myers, have an easier time finding ppl with monitor&abuse and the hare, vault windows fast in EW3 and you only need 2 hits or even 1 with insane snowball potential while legion will put everybody into deep wound state which will be healed in a mere 16 secs so he can put them in deep wound again, run around and not down anybody.
fun concept, for survivor players at least.
lets just hand you a 4K on a platter, in fact with the next Killer we can just have you hit M1 and the survivors all die. 4K for you, EZ game EZ life ma’right?!
Getting a 4k means jackshit in a game that has no dedicated ranked mode. Heck I went mericiless with freddy before all of the survivor nerfs till rank 2 in every game without godtier perks/addons, I didn't even have ruin at that time.
I'm calling true mostly mid-tier because he's very oblivious to many mechanics but that's probably more due to him being an entertainer and paying so much attention to his twitch chat, his mindgames and nurse-plays are pretty much on point.
He's slow in figuring him out, Zubatlel on the other hand is much faster in this regard and still only put up mediocre gameplays, have you seen these guys play nurse/billy or heck even spirit? It's night and day compared to this guy.
I don't care if these people 4k on him, the difference is that they are visibly doing worse on him than let's say one of the most balanced killers in the game: Billy.
Yeah hes not top tier. Probably around wraith/pig. Really though looking at suggestions for his buffs I dont think killer mains have realistic expectations about a killer. People want this guy with 120% movement speed and the ability to vault pallets to be able to 2 hit down people like every other killer....LOL.
I'm not saying he's great, I'm just saying he's not as bad as he seems. He's a weird one tonplay though. For that reson I think he will remain niche.
Keep looking at this amazing game that way, you obviously don’t understand the time and effort the devs put into balancing this killer and the skills required to use him.
Everyone considers the Billy number 2 killer, so why even bother playing a game where you think the remaining 11/12 killers are underpowered?
Killer mains want this to be like an actual horror movie where the killer is damn near unstoppable. That doesn't translate to a fun videogame.
And you're obviously a survivor main, if you can't see the difference between this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4njcGUvgcZI and his neweset gameplay then have it your way
Don't worry, I usually play high skillcap games where ppl like you usually lunger around the bottom 50% ranks, yeah you might have more fun than me doing so with friends but at least I am somewhat knowledgable at what I'm talking about which is always what counted in gamer culture
And who are you? A survivor that wants a killer that takes 5 hits to kill somebody with each individual hit btw not resetting mend-healing so sometimes survivors can mend right in your face giving some nice freddy vibes.
he has good potential, he's just very undertuned
If someone is healing against Freddy, Freddy has to wait 7 seconds to hit them.
With Legion, if they heal in your face you just M1 them. Problem solved. Besides even if they mend they're still injured.
Survivors in the dream world actually have a disadvantage against Freddy: can't hide, slow action speed, need to wake up (which can take a LOT longer than mending), etc.
Now, survivors with deep wound just have to find a safe place and mend which is really fast or run around the killer (easy, again because his 110% movement speed), this can take the legion more time than expected at first.
And that tactic about using frenzy to catch up to survivors is really bad, if you want to play like that you should use the spirit, which is 100x times better.
I watch this video from Ohmwrecker yesterday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c0upGZmSgw
Opinion Of Zubat --> https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainSpinelessPeanutNinjaGrumpy
He played against his R20 minions on KYF with the best addons, plus they were giving their lives to him just to please him and made a lot of R20 mistakes aka panic and running in straight line. Yeah, smug of Tru3 is the best proof that Legion is good.
I like watching Tru3, and I like him as a person, but playing against R20 is no way to see if the killer is good. He had one competent Nea in the game and she wrecked him, the rest were lvl1 Davids.
Best Killer and Main Killer with a BIG HOURS --> https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainSpinelessPeanutNinjaGrumpy
Watching streamers play against viewers is a terrible way to judge a killer.
I watch tru3 play 2 games in a row with r15 viewers and just tunneled 1 guy with frenzy non stop. Everyone in chat was like omg stronger then nurse lol. Checked again today and he is dtill just tunnelling unhooks vs viewers.
The design of the Legion is awesome and he/she is far from trash, but definitly needs some tweaks here and there. Most people just didn't understand how his/her power and tactics work, especially all those brainless tunnelers who only M1 and run after the same survivor the whole match.
I try to tell people the same, but they are like "omg lol, they are just good, yoiu need to learn how to play", and nobody sees, that they play against said R15 minions, who will gladly give their lives just to please them. Not saying about millions of R20 mistakes they made while playing against said streamers.
See how that works? There's always a better killer out there. Each one just has a different flavour.
Legion's gimmick is that he can injure everyone extrmely easily.
Freddy puts a person to sleep, they run to a pallet, now freddy has to get pallrt looped until he can get 2 hits.
Legion vaults a pallet, gets a hit, ends the stun, now he might be close enough to get another hit, if not then he gets looped for 1 hit. Thats a hit less than freddy and at least legion can bodyblock, freddy can't even do that lmao.
By the way -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oy7ZmFrsIE
This is how Legion will be/is wrecked against competent survivors.
Le Colte, model "Matthew"
Sorry, got to do that xD
Besides, I agree with you.
the killer would be much better, if the "Deep Wound" status effect wouldnt be such a joke.
(with no requirements btw. getting out of this state should at least require you to selfcare out of it!)
like, NOT GOING DOWN IN A CHASE?!?
where is that logic coming from?
how do you explain that?
ooh, the killer is chasing me, so my wound will magically heal up to the point where it is non lethat, yet if the killer loses LoS, it suddenly becoms lethal! but dont worry! i can always press it back together, so it wont be lethat anymore!
I think that it is wierd.
yes, but making the timer tick down during chases would be "OP".
i doubt this killer will ever get that. and i doubt this killer will ever be stronger than mid tier.
If making deep wounds not tick down in chases is all that makes him op, then imo hes not as weak as people are saying. If he could come out of frenzy and still chase with deep wounds ticking (making it op), why couldnt he achieve the same results with it not moving? None of it would affect his movement or frenzy stun.