lasombra1979
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So you want to create a mechanic giving survivors a free borrowed time, thus punishing killers who do not camp, and also punishes killers who have are dealing with overly altruistic survivors (you know, unhook farmers), just because there are some killers who do camp (which is completely within the rules).
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I stopped using the perk because I got told by some survivors were telling me it was causing the game to crash. That said, the wraith cannot see the bug, period. It is not visible, we cannot track you with it, it is only on the survivor side.
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
@lasombra1979 said:
I had something similar happen to me against a Trapper running insidious. I ran to the basement in the shack. Trapper proceeded to trap every exit to the shack, leaving me completely trapped. I ended up hooked, and he repeated the process. He ended up with three on the hook. Last guy figured out stay away and escaped via hatch. I thought it was rather genius.that actually is genius
Not a trick I would try against SWF, but if I know they are all solo, I may have to give it a shot
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I had something similar happen to me against a Trapper running insidious. I ran to the basement in the shack. Trapper proceeded to trap every exit to the shack, leaving me completely trapped. I ended up hooked, and he repeated the process. He ended up with three on the hook. Last guy figured out stay away and escaped via hatch. I thought it was rather genius.
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Majority of the time, its lag. The hit boxes are a bit off and do need to be looked at. I would say once we get dedicated servers, a lot of that will be corrected.
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@Orion said:
@Onionthing said:
Everything is camping.
Everything is tunneling.
And soon , everything will be holding your game hostage.@lasombra1979 said:
For now on, all killers are to allow survivors to complete all gens with no interruptions. Go stand in the basement until gates are powered, then keep standing in the basement until they escape. Otherwise, you are taking the game hostage.The OP was just asking. Unless I missed something, they wanted to know if this was or wasn't holding the game hostage, because they weren't sure.
You are right. My comment was out of line.
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@Myerinodudd said:
.Killers always camp no matter what so using DS or not using DS doesn't matter.Completely false. I rarely camp, I use it when the situation warrants (like seeing survivors trying to hide behind a wall or rock). Camping does happen and probably more than it should, but to say killers always camp is a gross over generalization
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For now on, all killers are to allow survivors to complete all gens with no interruptions. Go stand in the basement until gates are powered, then keep standing in the basement until they escape. Otherwise, you are taking the game hostage.
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Face camping does suck, but it is not going away and it is not going to be punished. Its been tried and did not work. My advice, do not be the first one caught.
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@Boss said:
I'm too lazy to read the full thing, but i wonder if it's still about IF it's bannable or not, since i DO know that was answered already.No, we spiraled completely off the track now.
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@Gorgonia said:
The discussion got to be a scroll party on the mobile browser.Live your life fully, don’t mess with others’. Agreeing on certain topics is indeed hard among friends, let alone when we are all in different countries with different mindsets and beliefs/education.
Hey, we finally found something to agree on.
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@sadmuffins13 said:
lasombra1979 said:@sadmuffins13 said:
ChesterTheMolester said:
sadmuffins13 said: ChesterTheMolester said: sadmuffins13 said: Gorgonia said: W> @ChesterTheMolester said: Gorgonia said:u
ChesterTheMolester said: Gorgonia said: Orion said: @Gorgonia said: I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (? That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind. I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community. I think I mentioned I never felt oppressed due to my sexuality? I’m not over sensitive myself but many of my friends are and sometimes they react badly towards unintended offenses or jokes coming from people that ignore what being gay is and how gay people feel when their sexuality/orientation is used as a joke. Not justifying them, just saying that before we get mad we need to try and educate those people. Sorry but you contradict yourself there, you say its unintended that means there is no offense given, yet claim you don't justify that as if there was a crime. Given that its unintended, they may need to learn to differentiate between the two, because emotions don't justify actions, no matter if you are gay or misinterpreted a joke. They are after all responsible for their own behavior. I’m saying that I’m not justifying the joke or the offense based on their ignorance or lack of intention. How is that contradictory? And how is an unintended action with a negative consequence not an offense? Negligence does have a consequence, legally.
Correct me if I read your response incorrectly Im not talking legal term, and i haven't said there was no offense, there was no offense GIVEN. Huge distinction. If someone takes offense and reacts "badly", and the result is something unethical, then its all on the one who has taken the offense , in this case the gay. Saying that just because someone is LGBT he is not in control over his emotion is not only ridiculous but attacks their agency in return. Okay, I think I know where the confusion is. Someone feels offended by a joke and gets mad. Offender doesn’t know he is provoking this. I said I don’t justify the offender because of his negligence, I also said that instead of getting mad at them I would rather educate them. Unfortunately some people dont want to be educated. They are close minded an ignorant. Until they go through a similiar situation it means nothing to them. People would rather provoke and get a rise out of somebody then actually talk. An i personally don't have time to waste on it. An what do you mean joke??? Because i dont see how its funny. Its more like someone is taking a word and turning it into a negative. A word people use to idetify themselves with. So now am i a stupid gay...? Hahaha no.... How about we educate these people by throwing them a dictionary? Another appeal to emotion here.
And what i've said applies to you too, just because you don't think its funny does not mean they are close minded and ignorant, though im pretty sure you will assume it, which would speak more about your misanthropic mindset than it does about them.
And btw being ignorant is different from being an edge lord. Seriously trying to justify something that is wrong? If something bothers me i will speak up. Its not being sensitive its called speaking my mind. Ive delt with people like you. An im done entertaining you. Congratulations, you failed to read.
There is no thing as universal wrong when it comes to jokes, its highly context related, especially regarding who the audience of the joke is. And if you saw the thread in entirety then you'd know that i said that actual homophobic attacks should be banned so get out of here if you don't even know what the conversation you mixed yourself in is about.
I know what this thread is about. Read the comments. Saw something someone said and commented. Saying thats gay isnt a joke... Maybe you should be the one leaving. Your always getting into arguemnts with people on here. Your toxic bro.
Guess what, to many people, including a good amount in the LGBT+ community, "that's gay" is a joke. They take it as a joke. They do not get offended by the joke.
@ChesterTheMolester is one of the less toxic members of this forum. The fact you call him toxic because he does not agree with your point of view is bad form. Your....I mean you're way off base attacking him.
I undertsand what your saying. But there not using it in that context. They are using gay as stupid. I knows gays call each other gay because they are being to fem sometimes but not to say your stupid.
And I know gays who use "that's gay" as stupid. I am one of the community who use "that's gay" as stupid.
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For one of my preferred styles of play (annoy the hell out of the survivors) Legion fits perfectly. I do not have the time to invest in grinding for shards, so I paid for the DLC. It was worth buying for me. In the end, that is a personal choice if your prefer to grind or prefer to buy.
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@sadmuffins13 said:
ChesterTheMolester said:
sadmuffins13 said:
ChesterTheMolester said:
sadmuffins13 said:
Gorgonia said:W> @ChesterTheMolester said:
Gorgonia said:u
ChesterTheMolester said: Gorgonia said: Orion said: @Gorgonia said: I never said they shouldn’t? I’m talking about when they use gay as in “man, that’s gay” (? That doesn’t make people ######### unless they go overboard about it knowing it can alter someone else’s peace of mind. I never said you never said they shouldn't. I said that you should speak for yourself instead of projecting, in your words, your "over sensitive" nature to the entire LGBT community. I think I mentioned I never felt oppressed due to my sexuality? I’m not over sensitive myself but many of my friends are and sometimes they react badly towards unintended offenses or jokes coming from people that ignore what being gay is and how gay people feel when their sexuality/orientation is used as a joke. Not justifying them, just saying that before we get mad we need to try and educate those people. Sorry but you contradict yourself there, you say its unintended that means there is no offense given, yet claim you don't justify that as if there was a crime. Given that its unintended, they may need to learn to differentiate between the two, because emotions don't justify actions, no matter if you are gay or misinterpreted a joke. They are after all responsible for their own behavior. I’m saying that I’m not justifying the joke or the offense based on their ignorance or lack of intention. How is that contradictory? And how is an unintended action with a negative consequence not an offense? Negligence does have a consequence, legally.
Correct me if I read your response incorrectly
Im not talking legal term, and i haven't said there was no offense, there was no offense GIVEN. Huge distinction. If someone takes offense and reacts "badly", and the result is something unethical, then its all on the one who has taken the offense , in this case the gay. Saying that just because someone is LGBT he is not in control over his emotion is not only ridiculous but attacks their agency in return.
Okay, I think I know where the confusion is.
Someone feels offended by a joke and gets mad. Offender doesn’t know he is provoking this.
I said I don’t justify the offender because of his negligence, I also said that instead of getting mad at them I would rather educate them.
Unfortunately some people dont want to be educated. They are close minded an ignorant. Until they go through a similiar situation it means nothing to them. People would rather provoke and get a rise out of somebody then actually talk. An i personally don't have time to waste on it. An what do you mean joke??? Because i dont see how its funny. Its more like someone is taking a word and turning it into a negative. A word people use to idetify themselves with. So now am i a stupid gay...? Hahaha no.... How about we educate these people by throwing them a dictionary?
Another appeal to emotion here.
And what i've said applies to you too, just because you don't think its funny does not mean they are close minded and ignorant, though im pretty sure you will assume it, which would speak more about your misanthropic mindset than it does about them.And btw being ignorant is different from being an edge lord.
Seriously trying to justify something that is wrong? If something bothers me i will speak up. Its not being sensitive its called speaking my mind. Ive delt with people like you. An im done entertaining you.
Congratulations, you failed to read.
There is no thing as universal wrong when it comes to jokes, its highly context related, especially regarding who the audience of the joke is. And if you saw the thread in entirety then you'd know that i said that actual homophobic attacks should be banned so get out of here if you don't even know what the conversation you mixed yourself in is about.I know what this thread is about. Read the comments. Saw something someone said and commented. Saying thats gay isnt a joke... Maybe you should be the one leaving. Your always getting into arguemnts with people on here. Your toxic bro.
Guess what, to many people, including a good amount in the LGBT+ community, "that's gay" is a joke. They take it as a joke. They do not get offended by the joke.
@ChesterTheMolester is one of the less toxic members of this forum. The fact you call him toxic because he does not agree with your point of view is bad form. Your....I mean you're way off base attacking him.
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It's only toxic if you let it be. I don't. I just let them do their thing and I play my game my way. If you respond in kind, they win. They forced you to play their way.
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There is always a third gen left.
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As a member of the LBGT community, please speak for yourself. Vast majority I know don't give a damn about the word gay used as a nonsexual slur. Sorry but I have more important issues to worry about than someone using gay to mean stupid. Hell nearly all my friends in the community do as well.Gorgonia said:While I never felt oppressed nor abused in any way because of my sexuality, the whole lgbtqxxx community has suffered greatly and we tend to be over sensitive when it comes to situations where being gay is used as an insult or as something derogatory or negative. -
OP made a second post on this issue. This situation happened on Xbox. Sadly BVHR cannot ban in this case.Fenrir said:
And yet no bansnøbødy said:
He's talking about being called a f*g. That kind of homophobic slur.Blueberry said:@tt_ivi_99 said:
Saying someone is gay is not bad, its the same as saying a black person is black or a lesbian is lesbian.
O course the people who say that dont mean It in that way but devs cant do anyting if the context is not clearly verbal abuse (which would be calling you something like [bad word] gay, instead of just gay).
There has to be explicit verbal abuse in order to ban someone.This ^ basically.
Like being offended for calling the grass green. If someone calling you gay is offensive to you, then you are believing there is a negative connotation in being gay. You don't like gay people? That's pretty homophobic in itself. Pointing out something isn't offensive, stop getting offended so easily. Snowflakes everywhere.
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What this sounds like to me is forcing people to play in styles that fit what you consider right. You get punished if you actually like the Nurse or Billy or Spirit. You are a bad killer, While I understand what you are trying to do, the system you are recommending is a punishment not a reward system. To the island of misfit toys if you have a favorite killer you want to play, esp if it is a top tier killer.
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Ah, the console vs pc war has begun again.
Performance wise, PC is better hands done. I went to console because of costs. Before Orion and others jump on me, its not because PC gaming itself is more expensive. Its because I like new toys and upgrades. I ended up spending far too much when I was gaming on PC by always wanting the new shiny gfx card, sound card or motherboard. I was my own worse enemy. So switching to console kept me from going insane on upgrades. If you can control yourself and not need the latest and greatest, pc gaming nowadays is not that expensive.
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@Unicorn said:
lasombra1979 said:I got accused of being a face camper. I was playing Nea at the time.
LMFAOOOOOO!
I wish I was making it up. I got a PSN message calling me a face camper. I was confused because I had been running Nea all day. Then I remembered I did actually stare at a guy on a hook, then ran off because he tried to lead the killer to me twice in a match. He thought Nea was a killer.
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@Peanits said:
Master said:@ad19970 said:
@Master said:
@OGlilSPOOK20 said:
Pls delete Noed, DS & Insidious from the game. Thank you!
I don't care... This game would be way better off without them.
and add BT on the list
BT is perfectly fine. Thank the camping killers for that perk lol.
Just to apply your logic
NOED is perfectly fine. Thank the genrushing survivors for that perk lol.
It is. If they took a minute to break totems it would never activate.
I was playing in a SWF and I got yelled at for breaking totems. So I left one unbroken. NOED pops up and the killer massacres all but myself. I remembered where that last totem was, broken, walked out the gate laughing as the rest of them were on the hooks. Needless to say, I was not invited to play in the next match.
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@Morfedel said:
@lasombra1979 said:
The most heart braking moment I ever had in this game was seeing 4 Jakes in my lobby, and as soon as they heard the chainsaw, all 4 disconnected in the span of 30 seconds.they probably expected to get tunneled and camped, not a bad assumption considering the face hunting going on with Jake
There was 4 Jakes. No reason to tunnel. Camping though, I cannot say I would not have camped them though. Ok, I probably would have camped them. Well only 2 of them, I just need two more Jakes.
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The most heart braking moment I ever had in this game was seeing 4 Jakes in my lobby, and as soon as they heard the chainsaw, all 4 disconnected in the span of 30 seconds.
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@ChesterTheMolester said:
redsopine01 said:Beep me I've been moriing there butts off lol
Yeah i did do too.
I also found myself switching to Bubba whenever i saw a Jake to go full basement camp mode, they are so rare...Jake is the unicorn of Bubba faces. He rarely appears in the wild.
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I would not say she is that bad, but the skillcap is much higher on consoles because of the camera control. I have seen some play Nurse on PS4 that is almost sniper like. Vast majority though are not very good. I can figure out by the first completed gen if it is a skilled nurse or not.
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I got accused of being a face camper. I was playing Nea at the time.
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Personally, I would go with Save the Best for Last. With the cloaking and stalking, it makes for a fun and psychology game play when toying with the obsession.
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@Gorgonia said:
lasombra1979 said:@Gorgonia said:
lasombra1979 said:
@Gorgonia said: Whatever makes someone feel bad is hate speech. No, its not. It is not even close to hate speech. What the OP spoke about, yes, that is hate speech. Me hurting your feelings is not hate speech. Hate Speech definition: abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation. Please show where that definition states me making you feel bad is hate speech. I was completely with you on nearly all points, but that comment loses you all credibility. I said whatever makes someone feel bad in the terms of the topics discussed above. Maybe “making someone feel bad” wasn’t the correct expression. The person before me only mentioned it is hate speech if it calls for violence or crime, which I think is incorrect. As long as you insult someone and provoke any kind of psychological or social effect on the topics your definition clearly states, plus some others, it is hate speech, given the circumstances we are involved in, an online game where people you meet probably live in a completely different hemisphere and you will never get to know beyond this platform.
TLDR, hurting someone’s feelings isn’t hate speech but people who abuse these topics in the game don’t just tell you you are gay, they tell you you and your whole family should die because you were born an abomination and that they hope you are raped and brutalized because you were not meant to be.
Hate speech is very specific. What you are talking about is someone being a major prick/douche/jerk/[BAD WORD]/bully (please feel free to add more terms to the list). It is all reportable and should be stopped, I do not disagree. I disagree when you casually toss around a term like hate speech and try to apply it to everything. Being a victim of hate speech, violence and social phobias due to who and what I am, I know what it is. Someone calling you an abomination in an online game is not hate speech, its just being a prick. You lessen the impact of the phrase when you so casually use it however you want.
I’m not trying to apply the term to everything. Cyber-bullying is now considered hate speech in lots of places if it is related to certain topics (sexual orientation, women, etc etc) and while not every ingame troll is a bully, the idea is to prevent this from getting to that point.
I misread your abomination comment. For that I apologize. Your example clearly does fit as hate speech. Completely and totally.
I do stand though with the parts of my statement about the casual use of the term. Hate speech is very specific, and just because someone made you cry, it is not hate speech.
Oh btw, I do know people who were offended or upset because a friend of family member voted for a different candidate in an election. Sadly, it is rather common.
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Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia. It is behind creepy as hell. Read up on the history of it, it would fit wonderfully in the game.
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@Gorgonia said:
lasombra1979 said:@Gorgonia said:
Whatever makes someone feel bad is hate speech.
No, its not. It is not even close to hate speech. What the OP spoke about, yes, that is hate speech. Me hurting your feelings is not hate speech.
Hate Speech definition: abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.
Please show where that definition states me making you feel bad is hate speech. I was completely with you on nearly all points, but that comment loses you all credibility.
I said whatever makes someone feel bad in the terms of the topics discussed above. Maybe “making someone feel bad” wasn’t the correct expression. The person before me only mentioned it is hate speech if it calls for violence or crime, which I think is incorrect. As long as you insult someone and provoke any kind of psychological or social effect on the topics your definition clearly states, plus some others, it is hate speech, given the circumstances we are involved in, an online game where people you meet probably live in a completely different hemisphere and you will never get to know beyond this platform.
TLDR, hurting someone’s feelings isn’t hate speech but people who abuse these topics in the game don’t just tell you you are gay, they tell you you and your whole family should die because you were born an abomination and that they hope you are raped and brutalized because you were not meant to be.
Hate speech is very specific. What you are talking about is someone being a major prick/douche/jerk/#########/bully (please feel free to add more terms to the list). It is all reportable and should be stopped, I do not disagree. I disagree when you casually toss around a term like hate speech and try to apply it to everything. Being a victim of hate speech, violence and social phobias due to who and what I am, I know what it is. Someone calling you an abomination in an online game is not hate speech, its just being a prick. You lessen the impact of the phrase when you so casually use it however you want.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@lasombra1979 said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Dwight_Fairfield said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Dwight_Fairfield said:
The Evil Incarnate one with Myers is even tougher.
Why? Got it first try
That's a rarity.
Really? Well then I got lucky lol, just gave this addon combo a shot cuz I wanted to prestige
I been trying since Michael was released on PS4 to earn it. I always get a DC on the last kill, every single time.
Or the last one gets the hatch. It took me approximately 5-7 attempts before I got the achievement.
My advice is run ruin to slow down the gen rush. You especially need that to get the extra long tier up to EW3. Burn a tough map offering like the Game.
I have tried all tricks, as soon as I get that third kill, 4th disconnects. Had the few hatch escapes but its the DCs that get me. This achievements has become my version of the holy grail.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Dwight_Fairfield said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Dwight_Fairfield said:
The Evil Incarnate one with Myers is even tougher.
Why? Got it first try
That's a rarity.
Really? Well then I got lucky lol, just gave this addon combo a shot cuz I wanted to prestige
I been trying since Michael was released on PS4 to earn it. I always get a DC on the last kill, every single time.
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@Gorgonia said:
Whatever makes someone feel bad is hate speech.
No, its not. It is not even close to hate speech. What the OP spoke about, yes, that is hate speech. Me hurting your feelings is not hate speech.
Hate Speech definition: abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.
Please show where that definition states me making you feel bad is hate speech. I was completely with you on nearly all points, but that comment loses you all credibility.
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It needs to be removed. It is op and has no counter. If the Bob is not removed, this game will die in 6 months.
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If this happened on Xbox, then Microsoft handles any discipline for this behavior, not the DBD staff. I recommend reaching out to them.Dinaqma said:
Xbox live has sent me messages saying action was taken on previous reports I made.Orion said:@Dinaqma said:
The few times I’ve reported someone I’ve revicied a message saying they took action.. whenever I report someone for saying homophobic terms to me.. I NEVER get a message saying action was taken on my report.The devs don't send messages saying that action was taken, so I'm guessing you're reporting them to Steam.
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@Sn0wJob said:
@lasombra1979 said:
@Sn0wJob said:
Yeah I'm bad, that's totally it dude. You proved me so wrong, good job!Honestly, I do not think you are bad. I just think you want easy matches against new survivors. Honestly though, how does that make you better than all those sweaty tryhard SWFs you hate?
I don't even want it, I want fair matches against players of my same skill level. I can't get it though because they aren't sitting in rank 1 and they're essentially forcing me to play to nurse when I do see them.
So I'm heading to yellow to find people who are not at my relative level of experience and can't loop properly to ask them if they think its fair I stack the game against them.I am actually speechless. Basically, you just admitted your entire goal is to bully less experienced, less skilled survivors. All because you cannot handle SWF, which you will still get at yellow ranks as well.
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@Sn0wJob said:
Yeah I'm bad, that's totally it dude. You proved me so wrong, good job!Honestly, I do not think you are bad. I just think you want easy matches against new survivors. Honestly though, how does that make you better than all those sweaty tryhard SWFs you hate?
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Again, you want to derank, fine. Just do it. No reason to post some bait thread trying to call out SWF as a reason you deranked.
I will say though, deranking all the way to 15 is akin to a college senior taking a spelling test for a first grader. Yes you can, but you shouldnt because it is beyond too easy.
You either suck as a killer and have come to terms with it, or you a try hard who wants to bully new survivors. Which is it?
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Ummm, congrats, I suppose.
Personally I dont care if you derank or whatnot. Just stop trying to justify it. SWF is in all ranks and vast majority are there to goof off with their friends and laugh at each other.
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@Orion said:
@Victory said:
@Raccoon said:
Do NOT single out any particular players.
Do NOT be disrespectful.What's your opinion on intentionally De-Ranking for any reason?
Personally, I feel like it ruins the gameplay experience on so many levels, whether that means destroying lower ranked survivors, frustrating new killers, or carrying less skillful players in matches that should be learning experiences for them.
I'm personally hoping that with the eventual installation of dedicated servers, that harsher penalties follow.
Most people dont rerank to ruin others experiences, but so they stop facing the SAME people over and over and over again. Really this should be directed at the devs for such poor match making rather than the players
That's how high ranks work in any game. Only the very top players should be able to reach the top ranks.
Thats how it should work. Problem is, rankings in this game is not about ability, but about time investment. My wife who is utterly horrible at killer has in a month made it to rank 5. If she can rank up, any one can.
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@Tsulan said:
Now that the matchmaking went back to normal, I'm totally against depiping.Maybe once we get dedicated servers we get different modes.
We need 3 types of game modes:
- Casual: less punishing for both sides. More hook stages, gens, camp save zones around the hook, more rewarding to hit&down survivors than to kill them, etc.
- Ranked: harder to pip than now. More ranks like R6, longer seasons, end of season rewards.
- Hardcore: no UI, no scratch marks, no terror radius, no aura reading, no survivor status information for both sides, etc.
That would actually be great. The only issue I can see would be queue times, esp for solo.
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No, this is a very very bad idea on so many levels.
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@SurvPro said:
I just played 5 games today, and killers seem to have a lunge that longer than a football field. Also the killers seem to hit you when you vault and they are more than 5 meter sticks away from you. This game is all kinds of messed up.Its called lag, get a better ISP, or check your ping rate while in the lobby. If its red, leave.
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If I could remap any button, it would be the wiggle. I hate it being on the right stick.
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I would take that trade off any day.
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Only suggestion I would offer for hatches is making the spot for the hatch a place that cannot be stood on.
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@ToxicFengM1n Not really, well maybe, but no.
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
Has any of you guys found the equation to time travel, cause all I see is numbersAll you need to know is the answer is 42.
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If you are camping on first hook, you are accepting the fact you know a gen rush is about to occur. Camping comes with risks, and camping on first hook comes with the risk you gonna get gen rushed for 3-5 gens. If your goal is to run an end game slaughter fest, that is your choice. Just realize that tactic may not work well either.