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@DarkWo1f997 said:
Legion changes include mending no longer stopping the timer, reduced vault distance, stuff like that.
https://youtu.be/1CldLmOsP5gSuch a shame, that "timer ticking while mending" is useless, because it stops at 99% and does not down survivors.
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@Tsulan said:
RSB said:@Tsulan said:
Marvel said:
@Well_Placed_HexTotem said: Any date yet? I was joking like The Legion in their current state are a joke. There is a new Legion trailer on youtube though that shows how The Legion kills with 1 stab :D
Wouldn't that be false advertising?
So is calling Legion a "killer".
As I said, false advertising.
Nea has probably killed more people.Nea is the Entity, she is eternal.
Just wait 'till she fully awakens from her tomb in the city of R'lyeh.
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Nea R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. -
@Tsulan said:
Marvel said:@Well_Placed_HexTotem said:
Any date yet?
I was joking like The Legion in their current state are a joke. There is a new Legion trailer on youtube though that shows how The Legion kills with 1 stab
Wouldn't that be false advertising?
So is calling Legion a "killer".
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.>Intentionally release a weak, bugged killer in PTB
.>"We want your opinion, it is PTB :====DDD"
.>"Well, he is weak as hell, we propose X,Y and Z change"
.>"Yeah, yeah, sure ;====DDD"
.>End the PTB, and fix bugs you intentionally gave the killer, do not buff him
.>Killer is still weak, but not bugged at least
.>"See? We listen to our community, these are our well-thought and balanced changes ;====DDD"
.> Survivors rejoice, they know what's going on, despite no one is talking openly about it, now they can cry about "killahz OP being buffed agun"
.>Not biased players - "Well... That's better than nothing, I guess..."
.> Devs - "Now go to the shop and buy ;===DDDDD"This worked for Clown and Spirit, but with Legion... Not anymore. You did the same scheme with said 2 killers, and now you try to do the same thing with Legion.
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@The_Crusader said:
@Raccoon said:
"While not in a chase, the Deep Wound timer will tick down – even while using the Mend action. As long as The Survivor continues to mend, the timer will not progress past 99% and will not go into the dying state."They almost made a viable change, but then they remembered that the game can be pretty spooky without someone holding your hand
That is ridiculous. If mend ticked down fully while mending you'd be buggered. You'd have what, 20 seconds in which to get away from the killer and fully heal? and it takes 15 seconds to mend. So you'd have 5 seconds in which to run away and find a place to mend fully.
Do you really expect the devs to let the survivor be downed? It might ruin their fun!
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@ItsYourBoyGuzma said:
Jesus talk about unloading a shotgun on an already dead horse(aka freddy) ...
And now theyre slowly dragging doc down with him,My prayers go out for Doc + Freddy players
I guess they did not want the new "killer" be the worst, so they nerfed Freddy. The Legion can be the second worst killer, not the first. Yay.
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Yeah, with shards. It is not worth real money.
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@Dreamnomad said:
From a practical stand point, how does this change things? I never thought of "snap out of it" as a healing action in the first place. Doesn't this basically mean that things like botany knowledge don't help survivors?Very high numbers of Doctors used NC, just for Snap Out of It.
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Won't help him much, as his power is still not a problem for survivors.
He will still have trouble downing them, and they will still run wounded across the map, being happy about it, because being healthy is the same as being wounded.
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@alivebydeadight said:
@RSB said:
@alivebydeadight said:
doctor is an anti stealth killer that is really annoying and in my opinion a top tier sense he is strong in and outside of the chase, he needed the nerf and they nerfed him, in tier 3 you can only preform so little actions, nurses currently outside of the ptb effects this making it almost impossible to use snap out of it, with this change it helps survivors gain an advantage against doctor and can use snap out of it as a stealth optionTop tier? Goodin chase? He is a noob stomper, nothing more. Outside of R15-10 he us not good, a normal, loopable killer.
Really, I lose faith in the players of this game,
If you shock the pallet the survivor cannot use it, if you shock players before they vault they cannot preform it, if they were using snap out of it and you had nurses and shocked them it cancelled the action, tier 3 survivors cannot use flashlights, and you think that he didnt deserve the nerf?!?!?, the other thing to stack onto this is that shock lasts for a little after being shocked and the scream is over
Yeah, and how manytimes you timed the switch to go in Treatment mode, and shocked the survivor exactly when he tried to drop the pallet? Do you know how hard is it?
About NC - yeah, survivor HEALIND IN THE TR OF THE KILLER is killer's fault, sure.
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They are probably R1 SWF players carrying their R20 friends. Normally it would put them with the R20 killers, so R1 survivors can smurf, but sadly (for them) this does not always work.
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@alivebydeadight said:
doctor is an anti stealth killer that is really annoying and in my opinion a top tier sense he is strong in and outside of the chase, he needed the nerf and they nerfed him, in tier 3 you can only preform so little actions, nurses currently outside of the ptb effects this making it almost impossible to use snap out of it, with this change it helps survivors gain an advantage against doctor and can use snap out of it as a stealth optionTop tier? Goodin chase? He is a noob stomper, nothing more. Outside of R15-10 he us not good, a normal, loopable killer.
Really, I lose faith in the players of this game,
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@alivebydeadight said:
doctor needed a nerf, he got a nerf, its a win-win, just an issue that they nerfed kruger againAre you serious, or failed to write "/s" at the end? Do you consider Doctor an OP character, that needed a nerf?
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@Vietfox said:
I feel a bit like this after reading just a few words from each paragraph.Gonna agree with you.
THIS TIME
MUAAHHAHAHA
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I was gonna ask the same thing. So it is stream today? Not YT video? And when is it going to go live?
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"Both sides happy"
And since killers are irrelevant subhumans, their fun is not important. If survivors are happy, 100% of important playerbase are happy.
VERI, VERI GUT
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@JanTheMan said:
Eh, we already have Sloppy Butcher and as you as Ruin, to slow the game down.As for the speed reduction that just seems lazy especially considering how unique deep wound is, even if it is weak. The devs are probably better off tweaking deep wound effectiveness, rather than copping out for a speed reduction penalty.
Sloppy is... Meh. That's the point, Sloppy is a weak perk, while DWE would be fairly balanced and could be used as a nice anti-genrush perk.
@xmenfanatic said:
I think that’s a neat idea! I’d be down to see how that change works out,@Unnamed_Freak said:
I think as a perk, Deep Wound would slow down the game better than now.
And it wouldn't be an ability that makes the killer useless cough cough Legion cough cough.Definetly, it would find it's place in many builds, would love to have DWE as a perk, not a weak ability.
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@Kenshin said:
@RSB said:
@Kenshin said:
@Janick said:
@ChesterTheMolester said:
Janick said:@White_Owl said:
@Janick said:
Hello
We think that Perks should mostly affect your M1 mode as a killer and not buff your power (to a certain extend at least)
Question: the Legion can't benefit from the exposed status effect on survivors while using their power, but the Nurse can. The Nurse is well known for being in absolute the strongest killer, and if there is one whose power is a "free hit" it's her. What's the logic behind this?
I can understand the potential to hit 4 survivors in one frenzy would make NOED and Devour Hope OP, but wouldn't be enought to add the condition that downing a survivor ends the frenzy?
Hello
Our reasoning is because it's very much too easy to get a hit with the Legion power, compare to the Nurse.
Another question: Will there be some type of penalty for being hit while injured? Most people won't bother healing and i have seen many people using Resilience to counter him a lot.
Also will the ridiculous double stun be removed?
That will come later, we have a few ideas but we are unsure about the right one, we will be reflecting on those once the live update comes out. He might not need an extra effect once the currently planned changes are in.
greeting.
how is 115% unfair on him? he gets a double stun after his frenzy, so there is enough counter play to it. also survivor would NEED to heal instead of not doing it and just stay on gens because they dont fear a 110% MS killer who cant down ppl with his power unless he tunnels them with it the whole game. normal MS would solve so many problems and its an easy fix.
It would be a good fix (not buff) to Legion, but sadly it would not fix his main problems like his ability (well, DWE) being totally useless.
if u give him 115% ms he can use his power for map pressure and and control while not being useless at loops. so it would kinda give his power a good purpose. i mean just look at billy. he can use his power for map control and ONE HITTING survivors. so why is it a problem or "unfair" to give him 115% while gets a stun after he comes out of his power. there is actually more counter play to it than to billys saw.
At the long distance the 115% MS is way faster than temporary 120% MS Frenzy and stun, that's why his power is not good for map pressure.
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@Kenshin said:
@RSB said:
@Kenshin said:
@Janick said:
@ChesterTheMolester said:
Janick said:@White_Owl said:
@Janick said:
Hello
We think that Perks should mostly affect your M1 mode as a killer and not buff your power (to a certain extend at least)
Question: the Legion can't benefit from the exposed status effect on survivors while using their power, but the Nurse can. The Nurse is well known for being in absolute the strongest killer, and if there is one whose power is a "free hit" it's her. What's the logic behind this?
I can understand the potential to hit 4 survivors in one frenzy would make NOED and Devour Hope OP, but wouldn't be enought to add the condition that downing a survivor ends the frenzy?
Hello
Our reasoning is because it's very much too easy to get a hit with the Legion power, compare to the Nurse.
Another question: Will there be some type of penalty for being hit while injured? Most people won't bother healing and i have seen many people using Resilience to counter him a lot.
Also will the ridiculous double stun be removed?
That will come later, we have a few ideas but we are unsure about the right one, we will be reflecting on those once the live update comes out. He might not need an extra effect once the currently planned changes are in.
greeting.
how is 115% unfair on him? he gets a double stun after his frenzy, so there is enough counter play to it. also survivor would NEED to heal instead of not doing it and just stay on gens because they dont fear a 110% MS killer who cant down ppl with his power unless he tunnels them with it the whole game. normal MS would solve so many problems and its an easy fix.
It would be a good fix (not buff) to Legion, but sadly it would not fix his main problems like his ability (well, DWE) being totally useless.
real talk, lets be honest here.
the whole design of this killer is just good. his power is not fun to play and play against since there is almost nothing u can do as survivor to avoid the hit. no skill involved at all using his power etc.
Actually you can play stealthy, juke him, or use his double stun plus 110% MS to run away and hide.
His main problems, however, lies within weak DWE.
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@Kenshin said:
@Janick said:
@ChesterTheMolester said:
Janick said:@White_Owl said:
@Janick said:
Hello
We think that Perks should mostly affect your M1 mode as a killer and not buff your power (to a certain extend at least)
Question: the Legion can't benefit from the exposed status effect on survivors while using their power, but the Nurse can. The Nurse is well known for being in absolute the strongest killer, and if there is one whose power is a "free hit" it's her. What's the logic behind this?
I can understand the potential to hit 4 survivors in one frenzy would make NOED and Devour Hope OP, but wouldn't be enought to add the condition that downing a survivor ends the frenzy?
Hello
Our reasoning is because it's very much too easy to get a hit with the Legion power, compare to the Nurse.
Another question: Will there be some type of penalty for being hit while injured? Most people won't bother healing and i have seen many people using Resilience to counter him a lot.
Also will the ridiculous double stun be removed?
That will come later, we have a few ideas but we are unsure about the right one, we will be reflecting on those once the live update comes out. He might not need an extra effect once the currently planned changes are in.
greeting.
how is 115% unfair on him? he gets a double stun after his frenzy, so there is enough counter play to it. also survivor would NEED to heal instead of not doing it and just stay on gens because they dont fear a 110% MS killer who cant down ppl with his power unless he tunnels them with it the whole game. normal MS would solve so many problems and its an easy fix.
It would be a good fix (not buff) to Legion, but sadly it would not fix his main problems like his ability (well, DWE) being totally useless.
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@jordirex said:
RSB said:PS. If you want a community-rated tier list - https://dennisreep.nl/dbd/killers/
Myers third best is completely wrong, wraith second worst the same.
Yes, I know, but I gave the link just in case.
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@Janick said:
@ChesterTheMolester said:
Janick said:@White_Owl said:
@Janick said:
Hello
We think that Perks should mostly affect your M1 mode as a killer and not buff your power (to a certain extend at least)
Question: the Legion can't benefit from the exposed status effect on survivors while using their power, but the Nurse can. The Nurse is well known for being in absolute the strongest killer, and if there is one whose power is a "free hit" it's her. What's the logic behind this?
I can understand the potential to hit 4 survivors in one frenzy would make NOED and Devour Hope OP, but wouldn't be enought to add the condition that downing a survivor ends the frenzy?
Hello
Our reasoning is because it's very much too easy to get a hit with the Legion power, compare to the Nurse.
Another question: Will there be some type of penalty for being hit while injured? Most people won't bother healing and i have seen many people using Resilience to counter him a lot.
Also will the ridiculous double stun be removed?
That will come later, we have a few ideas but we are unsure about the right one, we will be reflecting on those once the live update comes out. He might not need an extra effect once the currently planned changes are in.
Maybe you, guys, could tell us your ideas, so the community could debate it?
It would be great.
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@Orion said:
@RSB said:
@Orion said:
@RSB said:
Aren't you the same guy, that posted a thread like "If the killer camp my SWF friend, thenI will host his game hostage"?No, he just agreed with the guy who posted it. He is, however, the guy who made another thread complaining that the forum is "killer sided" because nobody will agree with his objectively bad ideas.
Oh, then the name must have been similiar.
Not at all. They're just hard to tell apart sometimes.
Yeah, there are so many new accounts like them, that I can't sometimes tell them apart.
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@Orion said:
@RSB said:
Aren't you the same guy, that posted a thread like "If the killer camp my SWF friend, thenI will host his game hostage"?No, he just agreed with the guy who posted it. He is, however, the guy who made another thread complaining that the forum is "killer sided" because nobody will agree with his objectively bad ideas.
Oh, then the name must have been similiar.
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Aren't you the same guy, that posted a thread like "If the killer camps my SWF friend, then I will hold his game hostage"?
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S: Nurse
A :Billy, Hag
+B: Huntress, Wraith, Doc,
-B: Clown, Pig, Myers
C: Spirit
Trapper
E: Freddy, Leatherboy
Z: LegionPS. If you want a community-rated tier list - https://dennisreep.nl/dbd/killers/
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@Raccoon said:
@RSB said:
@Barron said:
@Blueberry said:
@Barron said:
@DarkWo1f997 said:
Blueberry said:Sounds reasonable and makes sense to me. Survivors needs a reason to heal against him, otherwise they all just stay injured and make him look stupid.
I think making him a burst killer would be really fun and unique, but he feels like a gimmick right now and when the illusion of your power making a difference shatters, he just loses his appeal. He does basically nothing.
Yea, but would it be fun to play against. You realize people need to have fun to play a game and to continue to play it, right?
With the changes he sounds pretty fun to play against to me.
I read your posts. One of the most biased individuals on these forums. I most certainly don't respect your opinion or what you would consider "fun".
Says who? You?
The first defender of all biased survivors and imbalance in this game? Give me a break, if you think someone here takes you seriously, then it is just hilarious.
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@Barron said:
@Blueberry said:
@Barron said:
@DarkWo1f997 said:
Blueberry said:Sounds reasonable and makes sense to me. Survivors needs a reason to heal against him, otherwise they all just stay injured and make him look stupid.
I think making him a burst killer would be really fun and unique, but he feels like a gimmick right now and when the illusion of your power making a difference shatters, he just loses his appeal. He does basically nothing.
Yea, but would it be fun to play against. You realize people need to have fun to play a game and to continue to play it, right?
With the changes he sounds pretty fun to play against to me.
I read your posts. One of the most biased individuals on these forums. I most certainly don't respect your opinion or what you would consider "fun".
Says who? You?
The first defender of all biased survivors and imbalance in this game? Give me a break, if you think someone here takes you seriously, then it is just hilarious.
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@KingSavageGaming said:
Probably the same as spirits 15 seconds i thinkYes, something around 15s.
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@Coriander said:
Please go watch the stream where this is discussed. Many of you are taking this out of context only on what other people have said. He never said it was fine for any Killer to be weak; he said they can't make every Killer more powerful than Billy/whatever last Killer to get an update. He said Legion has a different playstyle and is a fun way to play the game.And any Killer can win. Some have different styles, and some are a little easier with insta-downs and quick attacks (Nurse, Huntress). The new Killer hasn't had a chance yet to the public aside from a small amount of Beta testers and thinking you need to play any one Killer just to get kills is ridiculous. Give Legion a chance.
Everyone have their brains, eyes and ears. We know what the new killer is like, what we saw on the stream and in the game, and we heard what the devs told us - we are not brainless masses.
We have our thoughts and no one will change them by their golden words and lies.
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@Crow said:
@RSB said:
@Th3Nightmare said:
@Crow said:
@Th3Nightmare said:
@Crow said:
Where I can see those lines? Because I can't believe that the devs themselves said that.The last devstream
I was talking about time stamps or clips you know...
(Play Nurse or Billy) --> https://www.twitch.tv/deadbydaylight/clip/EnchantingWimpyPelicanBrainSlug?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
(Play survivor or something else min 0:55..) -->
https://youtu.be/3XeACeKejcA?t=55I would like to add a new, famous, quote from the recent stream - "(...) Legion has trouble finishing the business (downing the survivor) and that's fine!' - so basically they know they (Legion) are weak and "it is fine".
"We should play Billy/Nurse". They just release trash content, know it, but still want money for it. Hilarious.I'm done, I'm not going to support this company anymore.
Same here. I have all of the DLCs, but the next one will be the first I won't buy.
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@Th3Nightmare said:
@Crow said:
@Th3Nightmare said:
@Crow said:
Where I can see those lines? Because I can't believe that the devs themselves said that.The last devstream
I was talking about time stamps or clips you know...
(Play Nurse or Billy) --> https://www.twitch.tv/deadbydaylight/clip/EnchantingWimpyPelicanBrainSlug?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
(Play survivor or something else min 0:55..) -->
https://youtu.be/3XeACeKejcA?t=55I would like to add a new, famous, quote from the recent stream - "(...) Legion has trouble finishing the business (downing the survivor) and that's fine!' - so basically they know they (Legion) are weak and "it is fine".
"We should play Billy/Nurse". They just release trash content, know it, but still want money for it. Hilarious. -
Only fun matters. Fun of survivors.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
i will not have done anything to deserve it like teabaggin or flashlight clicking but you still camp me when im the first one found and 5 gens are still needing to be done. i want to have fun and get bloodpoints but neither of us get alot if you sit thier and camp me on no gens done. this causes you to get gen rushed and everyone else escapes because you decided camping was a great idea so please explain why you sit thier right next to me and ignoring other people except you pull them off and drop themProbably the same fun you get from looping.
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@bigemu1 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Yeah Freddy with his best add ons.
With basic freddy you put them asleep and they run to a nearby pallet so no he doesn't get a free hit. Plus Legion can tag multiple people in a couple of seconds. Freddy cant.
To compare freddy and legion in that manner is laughable.
And if you really want to get into freddy vs legion, at least legion foesnt have to wait 10 seconds to hit people, he can actually stop them going out the exit gates, or immediately stop a teammate who is healing them, he might be 110% speed but at least he doesn't have to wait 10 seconds just to hit them!
5 hits to down? Yeah because you're not meant to use his M2 to down otherwise he would be too powerful.
Also his strategy DOES work in certain places. Quite a few spots on the map allow it or when there's no pallets close enough. I've seen it a number of times. Near a loop no it doesn't work, he's a bit like wraith in that regard but admittedly not as good.
Look nobody is saying hes a strong killer. We're just saying that to say he's 100 levels below Freddy is hyperbole by people who aren't even playing him correctly.
A million times this. But any time you suggest he's a viable killer, people attack you like you're claiming he's a tier 1 killer. Fanboys blindly link their favorite streamer's videos and link videos of Legion getting dusted by survivors, and its always (1) a video of a trash killer (2) not doing the strategy I have laid out.
I'm not even saying he DOESN'T need a minor buff of some kind. I'm saying the complain train that people are making this out to be is not even close, because no one is playing the killer right. They continue to link videos and cite evidence of people playing like idiots and spamming M2.
Personally I think any new killer should set the bar. There is almost always power creep in any game, because you have to sell the new content. But the devs in DBD do a nice job of staying fair and attempting to be balanced instead of appeasing all the initial whining, possibly at the cost of sales. Currently, I put him low to low-middle of the pack when played correctly. AT MOST, I suggest 112.5% movement speed top raise him closer to the middle, middle-high tier.
@Doultime said:
I would like to see this bodyblocking strat in play. Any clips out there?Nothing, he made that up to push his agenda, and make devs not buff the Legion.
Lol, that's it. I have an agenda. I would love to hear you elaborate on what exactly you think my goal is. The fact that someone had to link a video to show you that it works instead of trying it for yourself speaks volumes.
@RSB said:
@bigemu1 said:
Step 3 - DO NOT HIT THE SURVIVOR WITH A 2ND DEEP WOUND LIKE A SCRUB. You can do it. I have faith in you. I know it's tempting to swing. They are right there! SO JUICY!
Step 4 - End the ability when on top of the survivor, or get in front of them and body block - wait WHAT! But... but... the cool down. Yeah, well. Guess who else has a similar cool down? The Wraith.By the time you did this the first survivor already mended. Also you can't "get in front of them and bodyblock" because of one simple reason- you move only 120%MS speed, while they gain 150%MS when you hit them, and then normal 100%, and that just lets you gain enough distance to hit them again, not get in front of them and bodyblock. Also as you mentioned - stun. The survivor gains even more distance.
WHAT. You honestly believe that you can mend between my M2, me catching you, ending the ability, and hitting you with an M1. You're... you're joking right? Just wow. Honestly I don't even feel like reading the rest of your post after this word vomit. It's a complete waste of my time.
@RSB said:
@bigemu1 said:
Step 5 - Close the gap. Yes, believe it or not, you can still chase survivors down with 110% movement speed. No it is not impossible. Yes it takes a bit longer. But you're literally already over halfway to downing this survivor with almost no time invested.
Step 6 - Hit the survivor with a normal attack.
Step 7 - Hook your prey.You write it as if it was so easy to chase and down a survivor with 110%MS. No, it is almost impossible against competent, mid-high rank looper. He/she won't let you get to him close, orat least not fast. So tell me - what's the point of using a killer with 110% MS speed while in chase if you can use other, better ones, even damn Freddy?
So, in the case of Legion, you have 2 ways of downing the surv - at the beginning hit as many as you can (useless, because when you chase the last one, the others are already mended) and:
a) Try to chase him as a 110% MS killer, which is literally pain in the ass and even Freddy can do it better.
b) Tryhard to hit the surv 4 times with Frenzy attack.What's the point of doing a) and b)? All killers can do it better, and this is the thing that places him at the bottom of tier list. That's the thing that makes him useless killer made by people, that do not play their own game/don't know anything about it and don't know how is it on mid-high ranks. Things that may work on low ranks (aka hitting multiple survivors with Frenzy, and many of them will just don't remember to mend) won't work on mid-high ranks.
How it is that you cannot comprehend how physically close you actually are to the survivor at the end of the ability cooldown? What kind of distance do you think you are chasing over? How it is that you cannot comprehend how fast and how little time is spent getting from the first M2 hit to the end of the ability cooldown on top of the survivor? How is it that you are unable to force pallet drops by swinging through pallets, or use perks that coincide with forcing pallet drops on a 110% movement speed killer for the final blow. No where did I say 110% chases are easy. It just takes longer. It's made up for on the front end. There is and will always be God pallets you have to force, and infinite loop areas you'll have to abandon in certain circumstances. This killer is amazing at abandoning the chase if the circumstance isn't right. It's his entire design. You are describing the 10% case. I am describing a play style that is the 70% case on this killer, where you are in the open, where you were able to body block, where the survivor tried to 360 your feigned M2 and you can insta-down them coming off the cooldown, and where it is a non-loopable area with a simple pallet you can mind game, or a pallet you can force down.
You can stop referencing mid-high play as though I'm a rank 20 in my PTB testing. It's such an old and tired method of blindly discrediting someone it's as laughable as a personal attack over a video game discussion. Everyone even relatively decent in this game is rank 1. If you think rank 1 is even an achievement, then there's something wrong. The game is literally designed for guaranteed black PIPs, and relatively easy 1 PIPs. I have literally failed at attempting to de-PIP in this game to play with lower ranked IRL friends.
You can pretend all you want, that Legion is fine, that "having trouble to down survivors as him is fine", that this tactic actually "works". You won't fool any intelligent player, you can only boost the survivors' agenda, that wants all killers to be on Legion's level.
You can pat yourself on the shoulder all you want - it won't change the opinion of any of normal players.
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@Dreamnomad said:
You are playing him entirely wrong. Use your ability to get the first hit then use recharge to close the gap then drop your ability then use regular attack to down. If you are using your ability on a target that already has deep wounds then you might as well be stabbing yourself in the junk.Do I really need to copy my previous posts just for you, so you can already understand why your "tactic" is just worse than playing Freddy?
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@Doultime said:
I would like to see this bodyblocking strat in play. Any clips out there?Nothing, he made that up to push his agenda, and make devs not buff the Legion.
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@bigemu1 said:
HOW TO TUNNEL A SURVIVOR WITH LEGION
(a step-by-step guide for scrubs)
Step 1 - Injure the survivor with Deep Wound. This is free, and instant. It's the fastest injury in the game. You're already halfway to downing this person with no effort.
Step 2 - Use your speed boost to catch up to the survivor. This happens almost immediately also. Boy that's nice and fast.If you are extremaly lucky you can hit the second survivor, otherwise - smart ones will just flee/won't group up when facing Legion and you won't hit 2/3/4 of them.
Step 3 - DO NOT HIT THE SURVIVOR WITH A 2ND DEEP WOUND LIKE A SCRUB. You can do it. I have faith in you. I know it's tempting to swing. They are right there! SO JUICY!
Step 4 - End the ability when on top of the survivor, or get in front of them and body block - wait WHAT! But... but... the cool down. Yeah, well. Guess who else has a similar cool down? The Wraith.By the time you did this the first survivor already mended. Also you can't "get in front of them and bodyblock" because of one simple reason- you move only 120%MS speed, while they gain 150%MS when you hit them, and then normal 100%, and that just lets you gain enough distance to hit them again, not get in front of them and bodyblock. Also as you mentioned - stun. The survivor gains even more distance.
Step 5 - Close the gap. Yes, believe it or not, you can still chase survivors down with 110% movement speed. No it is not impossible. Yes it takes a bit longer. But you're literally already over halfway to downing this survivor with almost no time invested.
Step 6 - Hit the survivor with a normal attack.
Step 7 - Hook your prey.You write it as if it was so easy to chase and down a survivor with 110%MS. No, it is almost impossible against competent, mid-high rank looper. He/she won't let you get to him close, orat least not fast. So tell me - what's the point of using a killer with 110% MS speed while in chase if you can use other, better ones, even damn Freddy?
So, in the case of Legion, you have 2 ways of downing the surv - at the beginning hit as many as you can (useless, because when you chase the last one, the others are already mended) and:
a) Try to chase him as a 110% MS killer, which is literally pain in the ass and even Freddy can do it better.
b) Tryhard to hit the surv 4 times with Frenzy attack.What's the point of doing a) and b)? All killers can do it better, and this is the thing that places him at the bottom of tier list. That's the thing that makes him useless killer made by people, that do not play their own game/don't know anything about it and don't know how is it on mid-high ranks. Things that may work on low ranks (aka hitting multiple survivors with Frenzy, and many of them will just don't remember to mend) won't work on mid-high ranks.
Watch it here, there were some decent playing Legions, and see how survivors wrecked them:
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Korean feminists strike again!
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@Efidepe said:
I dunno man, the high speed and combinations of perks like the nurse's calling make it really strong as EVERYTIME someone will be healing on a match against legionHigh speed, so what? What's the use of high speed (on very short distances), when you can't down someone with it?
NC isn't good, because "mend" isn't under "healing", so NC won't work against it. Most survivors won't heal normal wounds, so what's the point of using the NC?
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Correct.
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@Carpemortum said:
Yeah to say that not all killers can be op is one thing, but to say him unable to kill is fine....isnt...I feel like DW ticking while in a chase would fix a lot of this still...would allow to at least chase one person better, or have those still near you bleeding and requiring to gtfo and heal or go down. Making him a pain spreader is one thing, but its gotta be possible. I dont see any real issues with him except that his ability is linked to a new, messy mechanic, and m1 attacks DRAIN your power. Meh. Still gonna buy and play legion for fun at some point.
I'm probably the last person to tell someone not to buy something, as they are not my money, but buying a ######### product from the devs won't teach them anything.
Don't get me wrong, I have all the possible DLCs and would gladly buy another one, but... This is no way to make this game better. When the main dev tells you in the face, that the killer is not ment to down survivors - isn't it telling something? Isn't it screaming to slap him in the face, and the best slap would be not giving him money?
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@Wolf74 said:
The whole BBQ rework that created the version we have now, was made to solve SURVIVOR ISSUES.
But survivor kept complaining about it and got it nerfed already and get it nerfed again.
Let's wait for the next "camper only" complain threads.
Survivor will not stop complaining until the Devs force the killer to give free unhooks without reducing the reward for unhooking of course.Free unhooks? Did someone said "Freddy"?
Oh, no tunneling? Legion, is that you?Now there is time to combine Freddy and Legion to make an ultimate set of abilities and implement them on every killer.
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@ReneAensland said:
Tru3 said he has potential to be the weakest killer.
I watch him daily.Yesterday he played against his R15 minions, and he was amused how "OP" the Legion is. Today he got wrecked a couple of times and already changed his mind, quite funny.
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Same here - damn cornfield maps all the time with occasional swamp (which I hate). All basic maps suck, I would like to see more of the DLC maps.
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@Orion said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Exerlin said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Exerlin said:
@RSB said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
What was it about???About the new, famous quote made by M. Cote - "Legion has trouble finishing the business (downing the survivors) and it's fine!" - they literally said he should be weak, because they don't want another Billy/Nurse tier killer.
About their level of gameplay - they wanted to show the possibilities Legion has and how he should be played but... People playing there were R20 players, the killer were missing 5 TIMES IN A ROW WHILE IN FRENZY while he tried to hit the surv, he ended up killing only one survivor by accident, not_Queen literally wrecked him. If that is the level of gameplay of the devs, then I have no doubts why this game is so poorly balanced. In favour of killers and survivors.
That's pretty lame. They should try to get good players like Monto and Tru3 to show off the new killer's capabilities when every party knows what they're doing.
Or they could just choose the devs that have actually played the game for a while to do it...
In case people forget, we actually have those.
Honestly, the only person that's part of the company I've ever seen play well is Queen.
There is an employee that played like 3000 hours somewhere too.
I have one on my friends list who has played for almost 9000 hours.
So where are they? Why did they put the R20 players (and Queen) to show new content? They embarassed themselves.
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@Visionmaker said:
@Exerlin said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Exerlin said:
@RSB said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
What was it about???About the new, famous quote made by M. Cote - "Legion has trouble finishing the business (downing the survivors) and it's fine!" - they literally said he should be weak, because they don't want another Billy/Nurse tier killer.
About their level of gameplay - they wanted to show the possibilities Legion has and how he should be played but... People playing there were R20 players, the killer were missing 5 TIMES IN A ROW WHILE IN FRENZY while he tried to hit the surv, he ended up killing only one survivor by accident, not_Queen literally wrecked him. If that is the level of gameplay of the devs, then I have no doubts why this game is so poorly balanced. In favour of killers and survivors.
That's pretty lame. They should try to get good players like Monto and Tru3 to show off the new killer's capabilities when every party knows what they're doing.
Or they could just choose the devs that have actually played the game for a while to do it...
In case people forget, we actually have those.
Honestly, the only person that's part of the company I've ever seen play well is Queen.
There is an employee that played like 3000 hours somewhere too.
Is it that legendary employee, that nobody have ever seen? Really, even if he is a veteran player I doubt he is in charge of balance, and even if he is - there are still many newb people who are in charge of it too.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
@RSB said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
What was it about???About the new, famous quote made by M. Cote - "Legion has trouble finishing the business (downing the survivors) and it's fine!" - they literally said he should be weak, because they don't want another Billy/Nurse tier killer.
About their level of gameplay - they wanted to show the possibilities Legion has and how he should be played but... People playing there were R20 players, the killer were missing 5 TIMES IN A ROW WHILE IN FRENZY while he tried to hit the surv, he ended up killing only one survivor by accident, not_Queen literally wrecked him. If that is the level of gameplay of the devs, then I have no doubts why this game is so poorly balanced. In favour of killers and survivors.
Oh dear, why does he always say some stuff like that??? I'm sure he meant something else but the way he said it was misunderstood....hopefully. Not_Queen is the best dbd player I've seen from all of the devs though
Sadly, not this time - it was quite clear what he meant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiUWXPyM7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oy7ZmFrsIE