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@Exerlin said:
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
What was it about???About the new, famous quote made by M. Cote - "Legion has trouble finishing the business (downing the survivors) and it's fine!" - they literally said he should be weak, because they don't want another Billy/Nurse tier killer.
About their level of gameplay - they wanted to show the possibilities Legion has and how he should be played but... People playing there were R20 players, the killer were missing 5 TIMES IN A ROW WHILE IN FRENZY while he tried to hit the surv, he ended up killing only one survivor by accident, not_Queen literally wrecked him. If that is the level of gameplay of the devs, then I have no doubts why this game is so poorly balanced. In favour of killers and survivors.
That's pretty lame. They should try to get good players like Monto and Tru3 to show off the new killer's capabilities when every party knows what they're doing.
Or they could just choose the devs that have actually played the game for a while to do it...
In case people forget, we actually have those.
Honestly, the only person that's part of the company I've ever seen play well is Queen.
Yeah, and she was there - completly wrecked the killer guy. Sadly, only she was playing well.
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@Exerlin said:
@RSB said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
What was it about???About the new, famous quote made by M. Cote - "Legion has trouble finishing the business (downing the survivors) and it's fine!" - they literally said he should be weak, because they don't want another Billy/Nurse tier killer.
About their level of gameplay - they wanted to show the possibilities Legion has and how he should be played but... People playing there were R20 players, the killer were missing 5 TIMES IN A ROW WHILE IN FRENZY while he tried to hit the surv, he ended up killing only one survivor by accident, not_Queen literally wrecked him. If that is the level of gameplay of the devs, then I have no doubts why this game is so poorly balanced. In favour of killers and survivors.
That's pretty lame. They should try to get good players like Monto and Tru3 to show off the new killer's capabilities when every party knows what they're doing.
They should be able to play at high ranks for themselves at the first place, because THEY are in charge of balancing the game. How can they do that if they can't play their own game? If they do not see the difference between the R15 and R3-1?
As you said, they should hire good players to show the gameplay on streams, while they should be able to play at high ranks on their own just to see how it is and make neccessary changes.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
What was it about???About the new, famous quote made by M. Cote - "Legion has trouble finishing the business (downing the survivors) and it's fine!" - they literally said he should be weak, because they don't want another Billy/Nurse tier killer.
About their level of gameplay - they wanted to show the possibilities Legion has and how he should be played but... People playing there were R20 players, the killer were missing 5 TIMES IN A ROW WHILE IN FRENZY while he tried to hit the surv, he ended up killing only one survivor by accident, not_Queen literally wrecked him. If that is the level of gameplay of the devs, then I have no doubts why this game is so poorly balanced. In favour of killers and survivors.
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@Tsulan said:
So it seems
Really, this censorship has gone too far, if they are embarassed by this, they should change how they act, not try to hide it and delete the threads exposing it.
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Don't be surprised when more and more killers will be camping, instead of going fot that surv who is 70m away. BBQ was the only thing that kept many killers from camping, because they had incentive not to camp.
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@DarkWo1f997 said:
Just make Matthew Colte play as the legion for 10 games against rank 1’s and he’ll see the problem
Le Colte, model "Matthew"Sorry, got to do that xD
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By the way -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oy7ZmFrsIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiUWXPyM7oThis is how Legion will be/is wrecked against competent survivors.
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@Might_Oakk said:
@Speshul_Kitten said:
But seriously, go watch Panda’s video on how he uses legion, he is a Mid-Tier Killer at best and he’s able to tear [BAD WORD] up with Legion successfully.Watching streamers play against viewers is a terrible way to judge a killer.
I watch tru3 play 2 games in a row with r15 viewers and just tunneled 1 guy with frenzy non stop. Everyone in chat was like omg stronger then nurse lol. Checked again today and he is dtill just tunnelling unhooks vs viewers.
I try to tell people the same, but they are like "omg lol, they are just good, yoiu need to learn how to play", and nobody sees, that they play against said R15 minions, who will gladly give their lives just to please them. Not saying about millions of R20 mistakes they made while playing against said streamers.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Btw I in no way endorse or care for Tru3ta1ent but seeing as he seems to complain about how hard Killer is to play, I used him as an example since he even showed that with skill Legion is successful.He played against his R20 minions on KYF with the best addons, plus they were giving their lives to him just to please him and made a lot of R20 mistakes aka panic and running in straight line. Yeah, smug of Tru3 is the best proof that Legion is good.
I like watching Tru3, and I like him as a person, but playing against R20 is no way to see if the killer is good. He had one competent Nea in the game and she wrecked him, the rest were lvl1 Davids. -
@Juya said:
I don't see frenzy as a killing tool.Actually, it is great for mobility.(You move so much more quickly and vault faster.)
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And works great as an elaborate "distraction" tool.
All that mobility let legion:
-Patrol generators(and the map) with ease.
-Catch survivors faster compared to his regular speed. ( You do move faster than them while in frenzy after all.)You move at 120% MS while in Frenzy, and 110% MS while walking. Assuming that you need to wait some amount of time to fully charge the Frenzy bar, you can use it once per ~6-7s of charging plus the amount of time that Frenzy Run takes (5-6s?). You run in Frenzy with 120% speed, then you have 2-3s of stun, then you walk with 110% speed waiting for a cooldown. For a short distance it is quicker than most of the other killers, but as you said, Legion should be, in your opinion, used for putting pressure by patrolling the map. On the long distance any 115% MS killer can cover bigger distance per minute (especially Billy and Wraith, who can walk with 126% of speed while cloaked) and, of course, Nurse. So Legion is not the best killer to patrol.
-Take a "way around" during the chase to "ambush".(A good example of what I'm trying to say would be: You're chasing a wounded meg in Lery's map/treatment theater, she's getting out of a room and turns right, instead of following her you go the window on the right side of the room and stab her as she crosses the corner and she's down.)
This can be done by any killer, and if you mean you should do this in Frenzy mode, please, remember that you won't down her, you will only put the DWE (Deep Wound Effect) on her/take small amount of the DWE bar.
Deep wound is really useful tool for mostly everything but killing the afflicted survivors.It's main role is to force them of the gens, just like the pig, with her reversed bear trap.And with the ability to reveal any survivor in your terror radius when you inflict Deep-wound, you can easily find survivor on gens and while chasing them the one inflicted with deep wound is too busy mending and healing themselves to work on generators.
When you play Legion, survivors will want to stay as far from each other as possible (at least high ranked ones would do), so because of them working on many generators at one time the genrush is even more efficient. When you manage to find the survivor and stab him, there is a very small chance that you will find second survivor to stab, not speaking of the third one.
But let's say you found the first one, stab him, then found the second one and stabbed him as well. There is no third survivor, so you stab the second survivor again, thus making him sprinting, or you just press M2 to cancel the power, which will stun you. Survivor, thanks to his sprint/your stun gains a distance, the first survivor mended already and is only hurt. You chase the second survivor, that has DWE on him. He, of course, tries to loop you. Then you have 2 ways to end the chase - try to chase him as a 110% MS killer, which would be horrible (please remember, that using Frenzy to catch up to the survivor and then cancelling it is highly inefficient), or you can tryhard to hit the surv 4 times with the Frenzy attack. Both ways takes very long time to down your first survivor, probably much more than average Nurse, Billy, Doc or even Freddy.
And if you say that his ability should be used to waste survivors' time - then I have one question. What's the point in wasting their time (unlimited), while making your chase longer (killer has ~5-7 minutes to win the game), or almost impossible by harming yourself playing trapless Hag/hatchetless Huntress? -
Wonder when they make a perk, that punishes the survivors for working too long on one generator.
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@AChaoticKiller said:
RSB said:@AChaoticKiller said:
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@The_Crusader said: Wolf74 said:
@AChaoticKiller said: @The_Crusader exactly, I also see people hiting a survivor twice with his power after the first hit which is something you should not do. What you need to do is cancel the power and deal with the stun otherwise you have to deal with giving them a sprint burst after the hit then suffer two stuns, the weapon wipe and the frenzy stun. I still think that deep wounds affect should be looked at as its very underwhelming. But with only one hit the bleed out timer is so huge that the survivor won't get downed anyway, because he has to much time to "mend" himself. But that mend takes time, and if they decide to heal up after that takes even longer. I get that people feel deep wound is underwhelming but imagine for a second if it was easy to get them to bleed out to dying status. With how quick this guy can dash around and hit everyone, he'd be hands down the best slugger in the game. That's why the timer is huge. The devs don't want a load of slugging ahain either so I think he's like pig. Their powers aren't meant to kill/down, just to get survivors wasting time or walking around injured.
There is potential in him. When used well I've seen some games slow right down as so much time is spent healing. Sure he cant hook as fast as other killers but it balances out if he keeps survivors off gens long enough. So their power is meant to "waste survivors' time", okay. What's the point in wasting their time, when you can't down them, because you move at 110% MS?
You hit everyone near you and on your last target after you apply deal wounds you get close to them and cancel it so you don't give them a speed boost and so you don't suffer two stuns. You don't lose that much distance try it yourself.
Yes, I hit everyone (max 2 people if I'm extremaly lucky, because no survivor with half of a brain will stick close to a Legion), I chase the first/second guy with my 110% MS, He tries to loop, I use Frenzy, he drops pallet, peekaboo, pal, I jump over the pallet with a kind smile on my face, then cancel the Frenzy...Ooh? What's that? A stun? The survivor is using my stun to run to the otherside ot the pallet? What now, master? What's my secret power as a Legion?
First why the f*** are you doing that? You need to break the pallet and use his power to get major distance if the survivor gets too far. If you want use frenzy the way you are you either need to use the ultra rare add-on that breaks pallets when you valt them (when it works) or use the two very rare add-ons that reduce the DW timer and that increase Damage to the DW timer, those add-ons make it so three hits with frenzy down people. I'm no master but I can use some common sense to get a grasp at his play style.
You say you can use common sense, right? So then use it, smartguy, and tell me who has specific purple addons everytime they want to play a specific killer? And tell me - how do we call a killer that is playable only when using the best addons?
The second thing - Frenzy should be used to catch upto the survivors? Tell that to the Claudette running around the corners in Lery's, and you do not see her scratchmarks plus after the end of the sprint you are stunned and the surv has more time to run/hide.
Third thing - he should be used to break the pallets? So... Why should I use him, when I can use Billy, who is 115%MS and has a lot better ability with sprint? Or even the Spirit?
PS. Don't be so angry when you are not right.
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@alivebydeadight said:
@RSB said:
@alivebydeadight said:
@Fibijean said:
@chefdave12118 @alivebydeadight Totally agree. People always do this when new characters are released, in a lot of multiplayer games, not just DbD. If they aren't used to playing as that character, or the character doesn't suit their playstyle, they say that it's weak. If they don't know how to play against the character, they say that he's OP. Maybe Legion is weak, maybe he's OP. But that's not something that can be decided within 24 hours of release.@powerbats lmao the trio is reunited once more.
from the gameplay that I have seen by azza2bad, he/she is powerful, they may be 110% movement speed with a 24metre terror radius, but their ability is powerful, allowing the legion to vault pallets without breaking them, several hits putting survivors into the deep wound state, with an add-on, vaulting pallets destroys them in the process
You can vault,so what? You can't hit hurt them, and DWE is meaningless, useless. You can only dance on the pallet in front of them and entertain them. Oh, and the addon that let's you break the pallets is bugged.
wow, seriously, its bugged like distortion
Yeah, Tru3 tried to use it yesterday and it was bugged.
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@alivebydeadight said:
@Fibijean said:
@chefdave12118 @alivebydeadight Totally agree. People always do this when new characters are released, in a lot of multiplayer games, not just DbD. If they aren't used to playing as that character, or the character doesn't suit their playstyle, they say that it's weak. If they don't know how to play against the character, they say that he's OP. Maybe Legion is weak, maybe he's OP. But that's not something that can be decided within 24 hours of release.@powerbats lmao the trio is reunited once more.
from the gameplay that I have seen by azza2bad, he/she is powerful, they may be 110% movement speed with a 24metre terror radius, but their ability is powerful, allowing the legion to vault pallets without breaking them, several hits putting survivors into the deep wound state, with an add-on, vaulting pallets destroys them in the process
You can vault, so what? You can't hurt them, and DWE is meaningless, useless. You can only dance on the pallet in front of them and entertain them. Oh, and the addon that let's you break the pallets is bugged.
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@AChaoticKiller said:
RSB said:@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:
@AChaoticKiller said: @The_Crusader exactly, I also see people hiting a survivor twice with his power after the first hit which is something you should not do. What you need to do is cancel the power and deal with the stun otherwise you have to deal with giving them a sprint burst after the hit then suffer two stuns, the weapon wipe and the frenzy stun. I still think that deep wounds affect should be looked at as its very underwhelming. But with only one hit the bleed out timer is so huge that the survivor won't get downed anyway, because he has to much time to "mend" himself. But that mend takes time, and if they decide to heal up after that takes even longer. I get that people feel deep wound is underwhelming but imagine for a second if it was easy to get them to bleed out to dying status. With how quick this guy can dash around and hit everyone, he'd be hands down the best slugger in the game. That's why the timer is huge. The devs don't want a load of slugging ahain either so I think he's like pig. Their powers aren't meant to kill/down, just to get survivors wasting time or walking around injured.
There is potential in him. When used well I've seen some games slow right down as so much time is spent healing. Sure he cant hook as fast as other killers but it balances out if he keeps survivors off gens long enough.
So their power is meant to "waste survivors' time", okay. What's the point in wasting their time, when you can't down them, because you move at 110% MS?
You hit everyone near you and on your last target after you apply deal wounds you get close to them and cancel it so you don't give them a speed boost and so you don't suffer two stuns. You don't lose that much distance try it yourself.
Yes, I hit everyone (max 2 people if I'm extremaly lucky, because no survivor with half of a brain will stick close to a Legion), I chase the first/second guy with my 110% MS, He tries to loop, I use Frenzy, he drops pallet, peekaboo, pal, I jump over the pallet with a kind smile on my face, then cancel the Frenzy...Ooh? What's that? A stun? The survivor is using my stun to run to the otherside ot the pallet? What now, master? What's my secret power as a Legion?
Exactly.
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@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:@AChaoticKiller said:
@The_Crusader exactly, I also see people hiting a survivor twice with his power after the first hit which is something you should not do. What you need to do is cancel the power and deal with the stun otherwise you have to deal with giving them a sprint burst after the hit then suffer two stuns, the weapon wipe and the frenzy stun. I still think that deep wounds affect should be looked at as its very underwhelming.
But with only one hit the bleed out timer is so huge that the survivor won't get downed anyway, because he has to much time to "mend" himself.
But that mend takes time, and if they decide to heal up after that takes even longer.
I get that people feel deep wound is underwhelming but imagine for a second if it was easy to get them to bleed out to dying status. With how quick this guy can dash around and hit everyone, he'd be hands down the best slugger in the game.
That's why the timer is huge.
The devs don't want a load of slugging ahain either so I think he's like pig. Their powers aren't meant to kill/down, just to get survivors wasting time or walking around injured.
There is potential in him. When used well I've seen some games slow right down as so much time is spent healing. Sure he cant hook as fast as other killers but it balances out if he keeps survivors off gens long enough.
So their power is meant to "waste survivors' time", okay. What's the point in wasting their time, when you can't down them, because you move at 110% MS?
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Sorry, they are busy buffing already strong survivors' perks and making underwhelming killers.
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What could be the point...? Let's see...
MAYBE ACTUALLY HURTING AND DOWNING THE SURVIVOR, WHICH LEGION CAN'T DO?
But it is just a speculation, don't mind it.
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@BoxingRouge said:
Dwight_Fairfield said:Monto's 2 cents;
Watching monto play this killer made me face palm a few times he just hunted the same survivor for his mori, plus he barely used his power effectively at the right times. Funny when he thought bamboozle would effect pallets. I’d rather take my opinions from Tru3 or Ardetha
Yeah, take opinions from Tru3, who played against his fans, who went easy on him, and let him win all the times. Plus they were making so many mistakes in their gameplay, that I'm sure they did not even went to R10 with the survivor. They did not even try to heal themsewlves from the Deep Wound state - when Tru3 hit them and let them escape they did not mend, and Tru3 went "Ooooh, OP"! Really?
Oh, and he played with all the best addons, and no killer should be addon dependant.
This killer is just another noob stmper, like Freddy, but with one difference - Freddy does not need to hit someone 4 times to down him.
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Lowest position.
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And you need to use it 4 times to down a survivor, sure, better as hell.
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I thought the Spirit is weak, but we have the Legion. I changed my mind.
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@Peanits said:
It is working, just not on consoles just yet (consoles bans are coming soon). It always has, even, there just hasn't been a team to review the reports until recently.For chat related offenses, in-game reports are sufficient. They will log the chat for us to review. You do not need to send a support ticket for those sorts of reports. For example (assuming I remember your profile correctly), I can see you recently had a run-in with a guy who particularly liked families.
Yeah, especially my family. He did not liked the way I play (toying with the survivors, not tryharding on them).
Thanks for your reply, by the way, nice to see there is a team of people punishing bad behaviours.
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@Orion said:
It's always worked; it's people like you who think it didn't/doesn't and people who lie about it that made it pointless.It didn't work in the past, that's why we had online report on the google.
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Only if you make the swivel hooks not only swivel for survivors, hypocrites.
Oh, what's this? Bodyblocking is so much fun, tactical "outsmarting the killer"? That's sad.
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@Dragonredking said:
Also since I'm at it here is the list of his last couple of usernameNO (FACE)CAMP=COOKIE
Tunnel me pls
TRY ME ######### (wich appear 3 time on the list by the way)
TOXIC [BAD WORD]also unsurprisingly he follow Ochido group and has a youtube account with "funny" montage of him playing survivor.
BUT AMAH KILLAH MAIN
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Spirit S tier, oh boy...
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@Rebel_Raven said:
Anyone got one of those "how do you do fellow killer mains" pics?
Thank me later.
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Or... We could... Separate SWF from solo?
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Well, Wraith is quite good in quickly making the first hit on the survivor (if they don't have SB), but he struggles around loops, especially ones with tall walls, where he can;t see survivors. So, his weaknesses are:
-looping
-SB
-flashlights if you encounter unexperienced WraithAvoid small loops, because he can gain a sprint burst and a temporary buff to his lunge.
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@Devil_Patres said:
@lasombra1979 yeah, i know how to play killer, but like 10 hrs player.. so, now all can kill / win as killer, survivors is costantly getting nerf and that gameplay is so frustating after 1500 hrs (sry for my english)Iron logic, can't argue with it.
You can 4k on R20, so the killers are OP. Right.
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Only if you will do every gen to 99%, and then move to another, hypocrite.
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Then the rst of survivors genrush, so the sword is two-edged. Killers could decide if they want to take on survivor down, or make two of them busy.
Also, what would this game mode do in terms of lag and matchmaking? We need to carefully consider all of the variables here.
Lag? There are games, where P2P multiplayer hosting can maintain even 16 people shooting, throwing granades, running and doing other things, so I think DbD could handle 8 people.
Matchmaking? There would be no problem here too. As we know, most of the survivors are SWF, so KWF would be a mode, where they could play, and only there. Current mode would be solo mode.I just want the game mode, period. I don't mind if it ultimately results in the option to add extra survivors or killers in Kill Your Friends. (Though being able to earn spendable points while doing killer co-op would be rad!)
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@Wolf74 said:
@RSB said:
@The_Fallen_Utopia said: I imagine if 1 of the 2 killers catches someone with Decisive Strike the other killer could just wait next to them and instantly down them again lol. But anyway yeah it feels like this
They really should leave the balence talk to the high ranks and not the people who derank to have easier matches or new players. As in those who actually play at the highest level consistently.
Devs should play for themselves on the high ranks in the first place. Now... Look at this, for example -
Look at his level and rank, it is obvious the devs don't even play their own game (maybe besides Not_Queen, but sadly, she has nothing to do with the changes in the game).
Rank 16.
Exactly... But hey, they know how their own game should be balanced, am I right?
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There is a big thread about it - https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/292/fair-and-fun-solution-to-swf-problem/p1
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She should have only her background Spirit voice, not that angry kid one like "HYYYYNAAA". During the PTB it was perfect, despite the Nurse's sounds.
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@Brawler said:
RSB said:"Hit target suffers considerably from the Mangled IconStatusEffects mangled.png Status Effect for 120 seconds."
You have answered your own question. I mean, yes, it is 120s too.
Mangled affects healing speed, not repair speed.
Yes, and that "120s" applies to repair speed too.
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"Hit target suffers considerably from the Mangled IconStatusEffects mangled.png Status Effect for 120 seconds."
You have answered your own question. I mean, yes, it is 120s too.
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Survivor is faster and easier. I did 30/30 on survivor in ~4,5h, and 30/30 on killer in like 8-9h.
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Hag is top tier killer, while the Spirit is low tier. Take Hag.
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Yeah, nerf underpowered killer, so every noob can escape her, good point.
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@Parity said:
Malakir said:The fact that you want more stuff for survivor its silly
A stun? DS an pallets
Eyesight? Flashlight
Speed? Lithe sb balance landing
Mechanics? 360, fake vault, mind games
Not fair? Some pallets are safe and u must break it or you won't catch themI suck at chasing as survivor and I still manage to escape at red ranks fairly easily with balance landing and hiding somewhere
I think you might as well played 50% of the game since play all killer once at rank 20 means nothing
FYI. I'm a survivor main rank 10-12 usually. My killer rank is even higher then survivor rank. Clearly you don't understand 50/50 between survivor or killer you probably only play killer. 100% guaranteed.
You call rank 10-12 high? You think you know something about this game? Oh my sweet, sweet summer child...
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I'm just glad you are not in a balance team.
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Use Rancor, chase them or slug all game, then spam moris on them and kill, salt mine.
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Play the killer at high ranks, then you can come back and ask for forgiveness.
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If the survivor gas half of a brain, theb you won't probably win, tgere are just too much LOS breakers.
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The best event, skins are marvelous, the best ones in the game so far. I have already 30/30 on both survivors and killers, don;t see things to complain.
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Korean feminist extremists are back! ABORT THE SHIP!
PS. I see you, feminists, bitching about "sexualizing the Spirit", but shirtless David, and his R34 pictures are okay, am I right? You weren't there, when they released a naked David skin. Isn't it called... A hypocrisy?
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@dbdupdatesucks said:
because of your new update no matter were us survivors run the killer still hits up when we are 20 ft awayBecause, well, killers (except Nurse) are faster than survivors. You consider it overpowered? Really?
did you the developers make the hit box every were cause if so there's no point for me and my community in the state wants to play this game because of the update of the killers being too over powered really that's really boring what happened to a challenge
Killers are still underpowered, deal with it.