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Just let the Killer kill you. Problem solved.
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@Wolf74 said:
@HookedonDemand said:
The whole gen rushing thing confuses me. Isn't finishing the gens literally the only thing survivors need to do to escape ? Why would they wait, to take in the scenery ? It's like complaining that the killer starts killing right away...
"Gen rush" is the term for the missmatch in time it takes to complete survivor objectives versus killer objectives.
A decent team that knows how to play, will spread out and all jump different gens.
With a single hit taking ~30-40 seconds of chasing plus carrying the victim to the hook, the killer needs AT LEAST 70-90 seconds for the first hook (ofc unless the survivor play stupid).
With gens taking 80 seconds -not including great checks, toolboxes or perks- 3 gens will be done when the killer gets his first hook.
So the survivor did 3/6 of their objectives (5 gens + 1 door), while the killer did…
depends on what you consider a "win" for the killer.
4 k would need 12 objectives done (without camping).
2 k would need 6 to 10 hooks, depending on how much the hooking is spread among the team.
And all this does not consider DS, pallet stuns during pick up or flashlightsaves and bodyblocks or insta heals.
So under the best circumstances the killer (the SINGLE player) has done 1/6 of his objective to win, while the survivor (the TEAM player) have done 3/6 of their objectives.
Do you see the problem now??Be careful, the last time I showed that under the best circumstances for the Killer, chases are still too long, I got a bunch of angry people saying that "not all games" are like that.
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There have been endless suggestions, mainly revolving around new mechanics and buffing Killers, but the devs have stuck to their roadmap, so we'll just have to wait and see. I even made a thread showing why chases are too long, but some people became confused by it.
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@HeavenlyClassic said:
Gen rushing is a ridiculous complaint .
Like saying a killer is hooking people too quickly or sumthin.
It's literally the objective.
And if u get good team,its gonna happen.
Why? Because there isnt much more to do that's valuable.
And yes its laughable to have to at the end,go and search for the killer and try and get him to chase just so I dont depip.
But popping totems is about the closest thing to anything other than gens that's worth doing .
I wouldnt say its flawed system as it depends on survivors and killer. But yes I agree killer has no control of game and needs something to apply pressure.
But giving survivors something other than gens to do is sounds like way too drastic. In the end it's all up to how gud the players r and knowledgableYou clearly haven't been playing the game for very long. Everyone agrees doing generators is boring, and if you'd bothered to read the OP, you'd see that they don't want to punish Survivors for doing the only objective available to them.
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I think he's better than my skill with him would otherwise indicate, but not top-tier either.
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And we all know the rule of thumb: if Survivors say a Killer is in the right spot, that Killer is weak.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
Just flag one and the mods will take care of the rest. Again, these threads do nothing except provide free entertainment.i did that was at 1 in the morning i see them still up? i mean if it is this big of a problem and they cant control it then do what i suggested
You did it at 1 AM (your time zone, whatever that is), and you're wondering why the mods haven't removed it yet?
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Killers that are reliant on add-ons are not "OP". All Killers should be viable at all ranks with or without add-ons.
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Just flag one and the mods will take care of the rest. Again, these threads do nothing except provide free entertainment.
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@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPJ82C0Ac8EThat's 5, but hey keep changing the goalposts.
Is 5 enough data points for one to extrapolate to the entire game?
So when you use Marth or Tru as examples to buttress your arguments you say they back up your claims. But when someone else does it it's oh they're just a popular streamer. If that doesn't work you say well that's only 2 people and they're not representative. So now we can assume you're like a snake oil salesman speaking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.
We can also put you in the same category as a certain person that used the alternative facts claim to back up their argument. They're facts when you say it but not when someone else does.
I'm asking you a question to figure out what you consider enough data points. You'd know that if you'd bothered to read all my replies to you. For the record, though, I've only ever mentioned marth's experiment. I can't be bothered to watch streamers, but his experiment was put "on paper" for all to see.
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Console players would get absolutely destroyed.
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Camping already puts all the power in the Survivors' hands. It doesn't need a nerf or a "fix" because it's already the second worst possible strategy a Killer can do, next to standing still while facing a corner. If losing (which is what it is) ruins the game for you, then you should stick to sandbox games instead of PvP. You were outplayed. It happens.
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@Vankruze said:
Didn't they say it was "like healing" and not actual healing? there's a difference.Yet it triggers A Nurse's Calling, IIRC.
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@HookedonDemand said:
The whole gen rushing thing confuses me. Isn't finishing the gens literally the only thing survivors need to do to escape ? Why would they wait, to take in the scenery ? It's like complaining that the killer starts killing right away...Gen rush exists due to a lack of objectives, yes. This isn't a player problem; it's a game design problem. That's why many players - on both sides - want more objectives for the Survivors.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Orion said:
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
well at least the problem was dealt with now that i said something thank you mods.LOL
You actually think it was your pair of all caps threads that made a difference? Because it wasn't, not by a long shot. It was the people reporting the spam and the mods deleting it when they came online.its been there for 2 days since 9/6/2018 i have been coming back since then and nothing happened until a hour after i made this post
They were new. The forum has been under attack by Chinese bots for a while. Trust me, your threads did nothing except provide free entertainment.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
well at least the problem was dealt with now that i said something thank you mods.LOL
You actually think it was your pair of all caps threads that made a difference? Because it wasn't, not by a long shot. It was the people reporting the spam and the mods deleting it when they came online. -
@powerbats said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPJ82C0Ac8EThat's 5, but hey keep changing the goalposts.
Is 5 enough data points for one to extrapolate to the entire game?
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@Salty_Pearl said:
It would be kinda awkward to release it on 9/11 but I don't mind if it is.Why would it be awkward? The USA is not all that there is.
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@powerbats said:
@Orion said:
@powerbats said:
I find it laughable that the same ones asking for proof are the some of the same ones that have commented in threads where people have posted rank 1. Both video proof and screenshot proof. Now it's back to the usual well it's easy to get to rank 1 excuse.It's always well post proof you've gotten to rank 1, person posts proof then it's well anyone can get to rank 1 it's easy. You lot always do the same thing, move the goalposts when you get what you asked for.Oh and speaking of proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQ6Vona0fY Oh look a top player is playing Freddy and he has a lot of videos of him doing it.I could go on but the proof is staring you in the face. Then there's all the posters on the forums that have shown them doing it both with and without perks. They were called out for proof and when they did it got the same response.
Oh anyone can get to rank 1, rank means nothing etc, except when you use it to bash someone and call for proof it does.
One person? Nah. Need actual hard data. You're the one who always wants statistically relevant data, so it's time for you to present data in an amount that you see as valid. That person is a single data point. Is a single data point enough for an extrapolation?
Yep typical response from you, keep moving the goal posts and you conveniently yet again ignore all the threads where people posted rank 1 Freddy. That includes all the ones you and the other people asking for proof posted in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jrGoYthIwI Monto, oh look that's 2 and you know there's a ton more but then you'll just make more excuses like normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rbs4l-VGZY $k no perks/no addons rank 1 Freddy.Oh look that's 3.
Well that's 4 and that doesn't count all the ones on the forum who posted proof.
I'm just trying to figure out how many data points is enough for you, so we can establish whether or not you've been dishonest in other threads. Is four enough?
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Some people are bored by stealth, but instead of making a game for the people that do, which is how this game was advertised, someone (my money's on the publisher) decided to do the opposite. Now the devs are stuck with it.
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@jwentzel987 said:
They should punish anyone who DCs. Anyone who deliberately DCs should lose their in game items as well as blood points and depip. The people still playing should be granted some incentive in current match. Killer DCs and survivors dont get anything. That's pretty ridiculous too.By punishing DCers, the incentive would come from not being punished.
Survivors do get stuff when Killers DC, and a lot more than Killers get.
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Speculation is 11/09 (11th of September), based on previous releases.
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@powerbats said:
I find it laughable that the same ones asking for proof are the some of the same ones that have commented in threads where people have posted rank 1. Both video proof and screenshot proof. Now it's back to the usual well it's easy to get to rank 1 excuse.It's always well post proof you've gotten to rank 1, person posts proof then it's well anyone can get to rank 1 it's easy. You lot always do the same thing, move the goalposts when you get what you asked for.Oh and speaking of proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQ6Vona0fY Oh look a top player is playing Freddy and he has a lot of videos of him doing it.I could go on but the proof is staring you in the face. Then there's all the posters on the forums that have shown them doing it both with and without perks. They were called out for proof and when they did it got the same response.
Oh anyone can get to rank 1, rank means nothing etc, except when you use it to bash someone and call for proof it does.
One person? Nah. Need actual hard data. You're the one who always wants statistically relevant data, so it's time for you to present data in an amount that you see as valid. That person is a single data point. Is a single data point enough for an extrapolation?
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@Vietfox said:
Yup, some people have been complaining about short matches and yet some of these ones are supporting this.
Gotta love dbd forums.The game is short because Survivors lack objectives, resulting in gen rush. A simple band-aid fix would be to shorten the Killer's objectives as well, and then put them back if and when Survivors have more objectives.
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@CoolAKn said:
(for whatever reason, in spite of never citing a gender, the Entity has the sub-category of "female character")That's because the Entity is a ######### (blessed be She).
Yes, the Entity does appear to corrupt people before She takes them.
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@powerbats said:
@yeet said:
@powerbats said:
For most people he's bad, but for those that will dedicate the time to playing him and mastering his full potential he does pretty good at rank 1. He's like Nurse only he's way less forgiving of mistakes on your parts as a killer.lmao there's nothing to "master" about him
he's a standard M1 killer who has to wait 7 seconds to hit anyone
he's garbage and you'd be better off playing any other killerSo he has to wait 7 seconds to hit someone, how's that any different than a killer having to chase someone for 7 seconds if not more to get them? Since once they're in the dream world if eh's running a reduced skill checks/longer timers addons they're screwed. They either have to find someone to get them out or find a gen and hope he doesn't come after them.
If he's such garbage why do so many rank 1 killers play him and get 4ks pretty consistently with him?
Inquiring minds want to know: where's the data?
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@Melomanas said:
But i still dont get, when i play as survivor all other survivors are almost the same rank as me, and the killer is also the same, so when i try a killer where are all those survivors that i have just played with? I cant believe that my lobby is some sort of special that they cant find, by the look they can find other killer lobbys but mine dont.Maybe their lobby also took a long time to fill. Did you ever think about that?
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Yes, yes, everyone has reached rank 1 with perkless Freddy.
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@HellDescent said:
@BigBadPiggy said:
It's 100% unfair that the survivor doesn't get a chance at surviving when they are the last one. There have been so many times when 3 survivors die or dc leaving the 1 survivor that I haven't even hooked yet. I down them, hook them, I expect for them to get off of the hook... but they die instantly.Survivors should ALWAYS have the chance to attempt escape, no matter how many survivors are left.
Now don't even complain about "But if they don't struggle at all, that'll make me a victim of a hostage situation." GROW UP. Go make a Hot-Pocket or something, you're not a victim.
That is not true. I hooked a last survivor once and took off thinking she'll die but she got off the hook and jumped into the hatch.
I found your problem (in bold).
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Camping doesn't need a nerf, it's already one of the worst strategies a Killer can use short of standing still facing a corner. If the Survivors want to reward it, that's their prerogative.
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@Master said:
Obviously 2vs4 would be a bit unfair and would require dedicated servers2v6 would be the right way to go about it, given the game's current balance.
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@jiminie said:
@Nickenzie said:
jiminie said:What's the point of this ?
Wow, you are such a no fun person when it comes to making fun threads! Since you are being lame, you can find out by your self by cough cough reading my thread!
Oh, my apologies, but there's a OFF-TOPIC section for this kind of threads
Off-topic description:
"Hey, that's not Dead by Daylight related!"OP put it in the right place. You should've actually read the thread.
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@Dabrownman1812 said:
Billy getting consistent 4 mans? Nah meng lol. Make it so survivors do gens 90%slower for 3 minutes after getting hooked. For start.More like Survivors playing smarter instead of acting like they have infinite lives. Your suggestion would give everyone carpal tunnel.
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I made a very lengthy suggestion back on the Steam forum, but the gist was, a Killer who can jump between poles he himself places, which grant him a greater FoV and allow him to pounce on Survivors, instantly putting them in the dying state.
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@Usui said:
@Orion said:
Not every single feature and Survivor perk in existence should result in an escape for the Survivor. Some are there for different reasons, and the fact that you can't see that, OP, says a lot about your expectations of the game.You rocking a nurse portrait says a lot about you as well.
You assuming something from my portrait says a lot more about you.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
I play both, but I play more Survivor these days. It's much more relaxing, playing the power role.IKR. Just go for a nice walk in the Fog, maybe fix a few generators, and stroll on out to the campfire with your BFFs.
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@Michiko said:
Yes the twin towers. Wow okay.I was trying not to mention it by name, but yes.
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The estimated date is 11/09, going by previous releases, but a friend of mine thinks they may postpone it because of something that happened on the same day almost 20 years ago in the USA.
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It's pointless. The Killer has nothing to do except hit them and put them on the hook again.
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@Delfador said:
Yeah but it takes 10 seconds.
Game is unbalanced but not that much imo. + there are killers like nurse and hillbilly who get 4k consistently.
The game is unfun because of how short it is. This suggestion will make the game even shorter which is a mistake. Also it doesn't require the killer to put something into the game. It is a plain buff with no drawbacks.
The game is really hard if you try to play fairly. Hexy for example does anything to win the game and gets 4k with the weakest killers like Freddy, Wraith, Pig almost in every game.
We need more consistent, longer games in order to balance this game and make it more fun.
The game is short because Survivors don't have enough objectives that are worth doing, resulting in gen rush. A band-aid fix would be to make it so it takes less time to kill them.
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@Delfador said:
It is basically giving killers an ebony mori for all the matches.It is the definition of being overpowered.
Memento Mori don't require you to carry a Survivor to the hook a second time, which eats up precious time.
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@CornChip said:
Why stop at two hooks? why not just one?Honestly, with how long it takes to catch a single Survivor, sometimes it feels like it should just take one hook. However, it'd seriously ######### over new players.
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"Escape" is not the only use a perk has to have. That's what I'm saying. I know the stale Survivor meta is to use every crutch perk in existence, but the other 99% of Survivor perks are useful in different ways.
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@Zanfer said:
95% of the time this perk has no use..The fact that it doesn't guarantee an easy escape doesn't mean it has no use.
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Not every single feature and Survivor perk in existence should result in an escape for the Survivor. Some are there for different reasons, and the fact that you can't see that, OP, says a lot about your expectations of the game.
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@fakelove said:
Nice nuclear fallout you have there 8-)
Back to the topic, both sides are at fault, survivors complaining about camping and killers about being looped, that's how it's going to be until devs are going to fix their game, hence the smack talk at the end from both sidesSmack talk is not "you should #########", "get cancer and die", and other such statements.
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@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@Global said:
err ya go m8
thanks but cant people see that they kind of look the same? or is it just me i see the new survivors face is a little stretched out but if it wasnt they would look very simular
Not really, no, and I have a hard time distinguishing faces as it is. I think it's just you.
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Because they can't admit they lost despite having a massive advantage, so they blame you for losing instead of owning up to their failures.
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Report them and let the mods deal with them. Always report. Eventually, they'll be banned. We just need to help filter out the #########.
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@Tsulan said:
@SoulKey said:
@Tsulan said:
@SoulKey said:
Remove her 4-5 blinks completely and make her 3rd blink addon a very or ultra rare addon with a drawback (Increased fatigue or whatever); then it would be somehow ok.And what would she get in return? I mean after such a big undeserved nerf, she sure as hell should get a big buff on the other side. Just like survivors usually get. You know, nerfbuffs.
What would she get in return ? Does she really need anything in return even without a 3rd blink ? I really can't argue with you since you said "Undeserved nerf".
You know that she needs something in return. Since she already got nerfed several times.
Survivors get buffs with every nerf. BT got nerfed and buffed in the same patch. Same goes for SC and every other survivor perk that gets even slightly "nerfed".Of course he knows that, but like most Survivors on this forum, he's unwilling to admit it.