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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
People who use dead hard to dodge an attack are using dead hard wrong most of the time. It's a perk to correct looping mistakes or just simply extend the loop to a window.Exactly. DH is my favourite exhaustion perk.
@Milo said:
I like Balanced Landing cause it makes the previous not loopable areas and dead zones avaible for you as surv.I like DH best, but this is a good summary why BL is close second. You can do loops that you couldn't otherwise.
Imho DH and BL help more with looping than Lithe. Sprintburst is a waste of time since you have to walk all the time so that you don't use it up.
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@DocOctober said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@powerbats said:
@NoShinyPony said:
Looping is a core mechanic of DbD and one main aspect what makes this game unique and why so many people love this game.
Not for everyone, but for the majority of people the chase is the fun part.
If the devs would put more focus on stealth, this game wouldn't be DbD anymore and a lot of people would quit playing it.
Well for some looping is the greatest but for others it's not and they could give stealth much more support so both types of players on both sides could enjoy it. I mean some killers complain about looping now but if stealthy play keeps getting whacked/not supported loopers are going to be 100% more common.
There are Hide & Seek video games without the looping mechanic but these games are nowhere as popular as DbD. Of course, there are people that like stealth play, but it's not the majority.
If the devs were to put focus on stealth, they would lose more players than gain new ones.
I'd prefer that.
Looping was not part of Dead by Daylight for well over half a year after release. To claim that looping is a core mechanic is false. Even the devs call it an unintended way to play the game.
Looping was not intended when the game was developed but you can't deny that looping became a core mechanic of the game. Nowadays, the devs would not say that survivors are not supposed to loop. When it comes to map changes like pallets and windows, it's about looping since it became an essential part of the game.
You don't have to believe it but if DbD had stayed a stealth game it wouldn't have become that successful.
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Most of us agree that gens are done too fast. There are 2 options: Increase gen time or add another objective for survivors.
I believe the devs are thinking into the direction of adding another objective. The Halloween event has been kind of an experiment.
I guess the problem is there isn't a good enough concept yet for an objective. We had some discussions here in the forum what such an objective could be, but an ideal objective hasn't been found yet.
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@powerbats said:
@NoShinyPony said:
Looping is a core mechanic of DbD and one main aspect what makes this game unique and why so many people love this game.
Not for everyone, but for the majority of people the chase is the fun part.
If the devs would put more focus on stealth, this game wouldn't be DbD anymore and a lot of people would quit playing it.
Well for some looping is the greatest but for others it's not and they could give stealth much more support so both types of players on both sides could enjoy it. I mean some killers complain about looping now but if stealthy play keeps getting whacked/not supported loopers are going to be 100% more common.
There are Hide & Seek video games without the looping mechanic but these games are nowhere as popular as DbD. Of course, there are people that like stealth play, but it's not the majority.
If the devs were to put focus on stealth, they would lose more players than gain new ones.
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@powerbats said:
@NoShinyPony said:
Why should a killer be unable to dodge troll groups?
So because they have bright clothing they're troll groups
Who said that? I don't mind bright clothing at all and don't consider a group trolls for wearing these clothes.
@powerbats said:
@NoShinyPony said:
Why should a killer be unable to dodge troll groups?
I mean people buying bright and funky outfits in the store is what helps keep the company going and adding more stuff. But since you don't want people to wear bright outfits or bring any items people should just stop playing.
You are totally missing the point of the discussion.
@powerbats said:
@NoShinyPony said:
Why should a killer be unable to dodge troll groups?
Let alone any groups that might actually challenge you to play your best
Who said anything about normal very good groups? I was talking about troll groups.
When a killer sees a troll group they faced before, they can dodge the lobby. Why do you want to force a killer to play against that group again?
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@Entità said:
Reworking a @JawsIsTheNextKiller idea, who deserves sincere congratulations for the intuition, one week a month Dead by Daylight could become an open-air laboratory to test the feasibility and enjoyment of substantial gameplay reforms.I refer to reforms that do not require much programming effort (otherwise it would be unfair to expect our beloved developers to dedicate time and resources for ephemeral changes, destined to disappear in a week), but able to revolutionize the balance at stake, to challenge old certainties, to accustom players to review their strategies with a benevolent curiosity towards the new.
You greatly, greatly underestimate the effort that such a monthly test would require. I will say it directly: As interesting as it would be, it is completely unrealistic.
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@KissyKissy said:
@EntityDispleased said:
@KissyKissy said:
I would DC every game Nurse is in. You wont get banned. There's no sense in playing if you're not gonna have fun.@EntityDispleased said:
Wait so you think nurse's screech at the beggining is unbalanced? You know I have to agree I feel like the noises she makes are a bit intimidating for my fragile little heart.You goddamn rube. He means when he first finds out there is a Nurse on the field by her screech, not the "balance" of her screech. Jesus Christ, that was an embarrassing post.
Do I really have to spell out the word "sarcasm" in every post I use it in so people like you get it? Talk about embarrassing posts lmfao.
DO YOU KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY HARD TO CONVEY SARCASM IN WRITING. Even professional writers have a hard time doing it. Hell, I remember watching a Stephen King interview and he said he doesnt do it cause it's often lost. It should be common knowledge to everyone of what a poor literary idea it is to do it.
And by the way, no, I dont think you meant it as sarcasm. It's so easy to turn around and say, "Sarcasm ...." It's a natural defense to so many things while turning it on an attack of the other person. No, im not buying it because this "sarcasm joke" was so bad it doesnt even qualify as something to be construed as a joke. There is no way you are living this down. There is nothing you can say. Just move about your merry life and stop using sarcasm in writing, or sadder, pretending to.
Come on, this joke was quite obvious. You didn't detect it - it happens. The problem is that you started to insult them without any reason and now you are receiving backlash for it.
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@powerbats said:
@Delfador said:
No
Survivors should not see the killers' name.
Killers should not see the survivors' name.
I think that killers should not even see the survivors' outfits, just items so that they can equip perks etc.So much this and also just show character names above the survivor and everything else is hidden.
Why should a killer be unable to dodge troll groups?
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@powerbats said:
@DocOctober said:
@NoShinyPony said:
The Game has a super low amount of windows, therefore there need to be pallets, otherwise the areas on the map would be a dead zone from the beginning and the survivors would have no chance.A lot of those pallets are safe and the killer needs to destroy them. If the survivor knows how to run, the killer will often only catch up to him after 4/5 gens are done.
Conclusion: Map design should be reworked by either swapping pallets for windows or by creating more mindgame opportunites around pallets.
Or improve stealth. The map is too bright and staying hidden or losing line of sight is quite difficult.
I've suggested darker maps and more stealth options but then the P3 Claudette and not wanting to have to play a stealth game complaints come up.
Looping is a core mechanic of DbD and one main aspect what makes this game unique and why so many people love this game.
Not for everyone, but for the majority of people the chase is the fun part.
If the devs would put more focus on stealth, this game wouldn't be DbD anymore and a lot of people would quit playing it.
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@XavierBoah17 said:
Noed is that one perk that changes a games end. A killer could get like 0 hooks the entire game and lose all chases, but wait a minute! Hes got Noed! Now he gets the full 4 man cuz of that speed buff and one hits.If all survs were still alive and well and NOED turned it into a 4k, then that's a well deserved 4k since the survs must have messed up pretty bad.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
That's just my opinion, for me it's boring. I would be surprised if anyone has fun with the current endgame mechanics. Both, exit gates and hatch.First, there is a difference between "boring" and "unfun". I wouldn't say at all that the endgame is boring. The not-so-exciting parts of the match are repairing gens as a surv and looking for survs as a killer.
And "unfun"? No, not at all. It's an intense interaction between survs and killer.
Maybe you mean that the current endgame is frustrating for killers that don't have 1-shot-ability since it can be quite difficult securing a kill with open gates?
(I'm leaving the hatch issue out of the discussion. I believe most of us agree that the hatch needs a rework.)
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@AntiJelly said:
Jigsaw Boxes have an exponential algorithm for the chance of finding the key. The chance starts at 5%, then 10%, then 20%, 40%, and so on.
NOTE: No matter what, the final Jigsaw Box will have a 100% chance of finding the key, trumping the algorithm.So there is vaguely a chance of 65% that the surv has to search 4 or more boxes? Did you think about these numbers and consider them balanced?
What happens if the linked survivor isn't in a chase but downed or hooked?
Do you consider a hatch escape also as "escaping the trial" or do you only refer to exit gates?
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@Master said:
@ToxicFengM1n said:
They have nerfed Decisive strike before, if you dont remember
Adjusted the "Decisive Strike" Perk (new values are 3/3.5/4 reduced from 3/4/5)
No offense, but what is the purpose of this thread?
This was all part of a plan to get your attention.
Well guess he has our attention.
Now that we are here, what should be discuss?
We could start a new club and call it "The DS Reformers". I'm open to other names but I want to at least be Vice Chairperson.
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@Gamzello said:
Sabotaging hooks is a part of the game. In fact you seem to be the toxic one here lmao.I’ve seen 2 different killers do this before and I’m not even sure why. You’re wasting your own time, and everyone else’s.
How are they wasting time if nobody is doing gens?
@Gamzello said:
Tsulan said:
Gamzello said:Sabotaging hooks is a part of the game. In fact you seem to be the toxic one here lmao.
I’ve seen 2 different killers do this before and I’m not even sure why. You’re wasting your own time, and everyone else’s.
Plus you won’t even get that much BPs so what’s the point exactly? Lmfao.
Killing survivors is part of the game.
That's not toxic.Slugging them and literally camping them on the floor until they die which keep in mind takes sometime is part of the game? What an experience. Just put on the hook. More BPs.
Which hook? You forgot they are sabotaged? lol
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@TheHourMan said:
Perhaps the best DS rework would just be to apply the deep wound status once it has been used.That wouldn't really change anything. With the new BT, you'd have to chase the survivor until you hit them once more.
@Ablutomaniac said:
When everyone had it, DS was way too OP. But it's fairly manageable now. Just juggle the obsession if you're close enough to a hook or leave him on the ground if you're not.Depending on what rank you are playing on, you get 2-3 DS per match on a regular basis. It's not a thing of the past.
@XavierBoah17 said:
DS isnt OP. I personally dont use it but alot of the players that I see use it hit the skill check and about 5 seconds later they get knocked again.Experienced players don't get hit again 5 seconds later, they last much longer. And there are a lot of experienced players...
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That would be super super unbalanced.
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@Fenrir said:
Boss said:Serious, skilled saboteurs can still pull off this mechanic.
Of course but i think it needs a bit of a boost for average players
Please keep in mind that a game needs to be balanced around its top players. That does apply to all video games and DbD can't be an exception, of course.
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@jackmadrox said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@jackmadrox said:
I've been playing for a few hours now, and haven't had any problem finding a game. I'm on PS4 btw.No problems finding games as a survivor? May I ask from which region you are and what rank you are playing on?
I've just been playing killer. I'm in the midwest, USA.
Ah ok, I don't have problems finding games as a killer, either. Just as a survivor, I have to wait quite some time. I'm from the EU.
There are probably not enough people playing killer at the moment.
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Yes, ranking up is too easy. But with the still-current matchmaking system (to be replaced with a new one soon), it's kind of a necessity. If there weren't a lot of high rank players, those people who belong in the high ranks would have too long lobby waiting times.
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@fluffybunny said:
@NoShinyPony said:
Unbreakable is a super strong perk can totally change and save a game for survivors. There is a reason why it's only one-time-use and why you have to "sacrifice" a perk slot for it.If a medkit could let you use the Unbreakable effect that would simply be unbalanced.
Also, it would probably lead to killers not leaving survivors with medkits on the ground (similar to No Mither users) and/or killers dodging lobbies if they see medkits.Bottom line: It would not bring more fun to the game.
They already dodge lobbies they don't feel like entering. They're more likely to bring franky's honestly.
I don't think so. Why use up a perk slot if they can dodge medkits and get another lobby instantly?
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The Game has a super low amount of windows, therefore there need to be pallets, otherwise the areas on the map would be a dead zone from the beginning and the survivors would have no chance.
A lot of those pallets are safe and the killer needs to destroy them. If the survivor knows how to run, the killer will often only catch up to him after 4/5 gens are done.
Conclusion: Map design should be reworked by either swapping pallets for windows or by creating more mindgame opportunites around pallets.
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Unbreakable is a super strong perk can totally change and save a game for survivors. There is a reason why it's only one-time-use and why you have to "sacrifice" a perk slot for it.
If a medkit could let you use the Unbreakable effect that would simply be unbalanced.
Also, it would probably lead to killers not leaving survivors with medkits on the ground (similar to No Mither users) and/or killers dodging lobbies if they see medkits.Bottom line: It would not bring more fun to the game.
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@jackmadrox said:
I've been playing for a few hours now, and haven't had any problem finding a game. I'm on PS4 btw.No problems finding games as a survivor? May I ask from which region you are and what rank you are playing on?
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@EntityDispleased said:
SpacingLlamas said:Make it similar to STBFL, and have it so hitting your obsession takes away 1 token or maybe all your tokens. Everything else with PWYF will stay the same. Easy simple fix and make the perk better or even usable
That would make it waaaaay too strong. You'll be shitting on all 3 non-obsession survivors with 125-130% speed and then coming back to the obsession to beat their ass effortlessly.
This. You'll get downed super quick without really having any chance to escape.
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@weirdkid5 said:
I mean as long as stuff like BNPs and insta-heals get removed then yehOf course. Everything that's unbalanced should be reworked or removed. If you want to discuss survivor items, we should do this in another thread so we don't derail this one here.
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Also have a funny story to share: After 3 gens done, a trapper heavily camped the hatch. I did 2 more gens by myself, opened the exit gate and left. He was not afk.
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@Ryuhi said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@Ryuhi said:
for the record I absolutely hated the update to the beads until I tried the spirit out, now it feels like the same area as something like mint rag on the hag: really good, but not busted. You'd have more validity complaining about things like being able to pair iridescent heads and the highest tier belt on the huntress.The huntress still needs to throw correctly. That is different to a free grab.
She needs to place herself beyond the range of her TR to the gen to not alert the survivors, get up to the gen without running straight in LoS at any point that grass can be disturbed
@powerbats said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@Ryuhi said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
additional blinks addons of nurse
Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.Prayers beats addon of spirit
Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.
Prayer beads, while absurdly strong, do still require skill as you can't see the survivor so you have to guess between 1-4 placements where the survivor you're trying to grab is.
Survivors have collision, you know exactly on which position they are sitting. It isn't skill.
I agree with OP on that, Prayer Beads in its current state is not o.k. The only "counter" would be to gen tap and that's of course out of the question. Make the Walk more quiet but not completely silent.
I main Spirit and have no issues fighting one using them, it's all about situational awareness when facing her really. I've never been surprise grabbed of a gen by one using them yet and you can watch for grass moving etc.
I don't main Spirit but I've played her, of course. When I wanted to surprise-grab someone, I simply didn't walk through grass and avoided being in LOS to the survs. Worked well. (I'm using past tense since the grabbing is buggy at the moment, as most people probably know.)
@powerbats said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@Ryuhi said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
additional blinks addons of nurse
Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.Prayers beats addon of spirit
Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.
Prayer beads, while absurdly strong, do still require skill as you can't see the survivor so you have to guess between 1-4 placements where the survivor you're trying to grab is.
Survivors have collision, you know exactly on which position they are sitting. It isn't skill.
I agree with OP on that, Prayer Beads in its current state is not o.k. The only "counter" would be to gen tap and that's of course out of the question. Make the Walk more quiet but not completely silent.
You can also feel the nudge
No, if you are working on a gen, you can't. As a survivor, you feel the collision when you are walking/running into her, but you don't sense anything if you are currently on a gen.
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@Vietfox said:
@NoShinyPony said:@Master said:
@Vietfox said:
@Master said:
@OrionsFury4789 said:
20+ minutes with no game and getting lobby dodged along the way, I figured rank reset would speed the times up
I thought killers have it so easy now that everybody is playing killer?
They do, the problem is that queues are bugged.
Uhm aha, so how is it possible that I get instant queues as killer? Sounds weird to me that only one part of the community suffers from those queue time bugs while the other side can play. In the end you need both sides for a game?
This.
I'm sure it's not a bug. It seems as if there simply is a lack of people wanting to play killer.
I play both killer and survivor and get lobbies instantly as a killer. As a survivor, I have to wait a couple of minutes.
If this problem continues to exist, the devs would need to do something to make playing killer more attractive.
I think there's an issue. I can get a lobby within the first minute and after that match being forced to wait 10 minutes or more. Doesn't make much sense.
We know that the still-current matchmaking system is not perfect (and will soon be replaced by another system).
If there is an open lobby available and you fit perfectly as a survivor (rank-wise etc.) then you might get into that lobby within seconds (and others who wait longer but don't fit so well don't get that open spot).I'm talking about the observation that survivor waiting times are in general much longer than those for killers. That heavily indicates that there are not enough killers at the moment.
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@Master said:
@OrionsFury4789 said:
20+ minutes with no game and getting lobby dodged along the way, I figured rank reset would speed the times up
I thought killers have it so easy now that everybody is playing killer?
They do, the problem is that queues are bugged.
Uhm aha, so how is it possible that I get instant queues as killer? Sounds weird to me that only one part of the community suffers from those queue time bugs while the other side can play. In the end you need both sides for a game?
This.
I'm sure it's not a bug. It seems as if there simply is a lack of people wanting to play killer.
I play both killer and survivor and get lobbies instantly as a killer. As a survivor, I have to wait a couple of minutes.
If this problem continues to exist, the devs would need to do something to make playing killer more attractive.
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@SpongeBob420Pants said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@SpongeBob420Pants said:
@Dehitay said:
@SpongeBob420Pants said:
Ya? Which part of the OP do you disagree with?
It's a free buff for the side that already has the advantage in the game when both sides are equally skilled and trying equally hard? If you think getting tunneled is annoying, play Leatherface and deal with the fun of a dozen loops in a row. You can't hard nerf one side without nerfing the other.
I would be happy to have killers get buffed in anyway that seems fair, the point of this post simply put is dying on your first hook sucks and without a mechanic to discourage camping/tunneling the killer will tunnel because it's the best way to win.
You did not bring up a suggestion yet what kind of buff killers could get to make up for your nerf.
Or don't you have an idea and want others to come up with something for you?This is your thread. By insulting people for not agreeing with you, you simply show everyone what kind of person they are dealing with.
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@KissyKissy said:
Just had a game where people were constantly bullying a level 20, no addon, no perk, brand new player.I don't want to think about how many potencial players this game has lost because new players were scared off in their first matches...
*Edit: typo
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Nurse takes a long time of practice until you can play her super well. Don't let that discourage you.
When you've mastered her, the adept trophy won't be hard to get anymore.
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@SpongeBob420Pants said:
@Dehitay said:
@SpongeBob420Pants said:
Ya? Which part of the OP do you disagree with?
It's a free buff for the side that already has the advantage in the game when both sides are equally skilled and trying equally hard? If you think getting tunneled is annoying, play Leatherface and deal with the fun of a dozen loops in a row. You can't hard nerf one side without nerfing the other.
I would be happy to have killers get buffed in anyway that seems fair, the point of this post simply put is dying on your first hook sucks and without a mechanic to discourage camping/tunneling the killer will tunnel because it's the best way to win.
You did not bring up a suggestion yet what kind of buff killers could get to make up for your nerf.
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@SpongeBob420Pants said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@SpongeBob420Pants said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@SpongeBob420Pants said:
TLDR: A "first hook" rescue should automatically have a 10 second borrowed time effect (that would stack with the perk) to discourage camping/tunneling and reduce toxicity in the game.That would be a nerf to killers. Which buff would you offer to make up for this?
AMAZING! You just quoted half a quote and asked for the other half, in the exact same quote that you failed at quoting I stated a double bloodpoint bonus for killers hooking a different survivor from the one they hooked last "would be cool".
AMAZING how arrogant and rude you can be without any reason at all! Bloodpoints are not a buff gameplay-wise. If the killer gets more bloodpoints that doesn't help him at all with winning a game!
So, once more: What buff are you offering to make up for such a kind of nerf?
Well, someone just gave one:
@Dehitay said:
[sarcasm]
Calm down everyone, I have the perfect solution. Survivors get a free Borrowed Time effect for 10 seconds and killers get a free Make Your Choice effect for 10 seconds without the distance requirement. Not only does that balance out the survivor buff, it doubles down on the encouragement not to tunnel and go after a different survivor. Everybody's happy.
[/sarcasm]Maybe a 5 second make your choice would be better but that's an idea.
Did you notice the word "sarcasm"? It's there for a reason.
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@SpongeBob420Pants said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@SpongeBob420Pants said:
TLDR: A "first hook" rescue should automatically have a 10 second borrowed time effect (that would stack with the perk) to discourage camping/tunneling and reduce toxicity in the game.That would be a nerf to killers. Which buff would you offer to make up for this?
AMAZING! You just quoted half a quote and asked for the other half, in the exact same quote that you failed at quoting I stated a double bloodpoint bonus for killers hooking a different survivor from the one they hooked last "would be cool".
AMAZING how arrogant and rude you can be without any reason at all! Bloodpoints are not a buff gameplay-wise. If the killer gets more bloodpoints that doesn't help him at all with winning a game!
So, once more: What buff are you offering to make up for such a kind of nerf?
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@SpongeBob420Pants said:
TLDR: A "first hook" rescue should automatically have a 10 second borrowed time effect (that would stack with the perk) to discourage camping/tunneling and reduce toxicity in the game.That would be a nerf to killers. Which buff would you offer to make up for this?
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That wouldn't really change anything. If the killer wants to tunnel, he will still tunnel.
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@Entità said:
NoShinyPony said:@Entità said:
NoShinyPony said:
@Entità said:
@NoShinyPony The fact is no one uses it, like the old Surveillance.
Yes, but if only a small amount of people plays hard mode, then that doesn't mean that hard mode should be nerfed. It simply means that people don't want to play a mode that is too difficult for them.I know I am repeating myself but: We are not talking about a useful perk, we are talking about hard mode! Why would a player want to nerf a hard mode instead of seeing it as a challenge or simply ignoring it?
If you want hard mode, then you should stay injured all the trial with blood and grunts: what is the function of No Mither?The function of No Mither is being the hard mode. There is no other function. The devs could give bonus bloodpoints but I don't see the point in why a hard mode should be made less hard. If it's too difficult, then don't play it,
It reads like what you are looking for is basically Unbreakable that you can use more than once.
Maybe I'm not able to explain myself.
If you want to play in hard mode, you can do it at will, you don't need a perk to have it:
1) find the killer;
2) let them hit you;
3) continue the trial remaining injured;
4) you leave pools of blood and emit grunts of pain;
5) you cannot fully recover from the dying state.
Instead, No Mither hard mode is easier, because you don't leave blood, your grunts are halved and you have a fictitious (because the killer won't leave you on the ground, knowing you run that perk, unless they are idiot) hope to fully recover from the dying state.
It's not easier. With No Mither, you start injured and the killer knows you are running it so it's more likely that you get tunneld.
If you compare it to Speed Limiter: As I mentioned above, the devs could add a bonus bloodpoint function.
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@George_Soros said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@George_Soros said:
@NoShinyPony said:
the total silence has to go.
No. It's fun for both killer and survivors. Just needs balancing.
Well, I wouldn't consider a free grab/hook fun.
@George_Soros said:
There actually are counters to it by the way. The moment you realize she's using the Bracelet, you can adjust. Look around before jumping on a gen or totemThere are so many places on maps where that isn't possible
@George_Soros said:
wait until someone's injured or hooked, and then start repairingThat is such a big waste of time that giving the killer a free grab/hook would be better.
@George_Soros said:
Some perks can also be helpful: Premonition, Spine Chill, Empathy, Alert, OoO, maybe some others too.These perks don't necesseraly help against that add-on. Also, why should survivors need to bring a certain perk just to counter a completely unbalanced add-on?
Sorry, but it looks like you're just unwilling to adapt. I suggested some perfectly good ways to counter that addon. I understand you may not be running those perks, but as for biding your time, hiding and keeping an eye out for killer: it's something you can always do.
I'm not saying it's easy, but come on. Where's the enjoyment if a game is easy? Facing a Spirit with this addon requires smart play. THAT is fun. Trying to play the same way every game, hoping it would work in any case is not.I don't have anything against strong killers, strong add-ons. I dont have anything against getting better. I have something against heavily unbalanced stuff.
I consider that add-on heavily unbalanced, you don't. Sometimes people can't agree on something. Let's leave it at that, I think each of us simply can't convince the other. No hard feelings!
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@Ryuhi said:
@NoShinyPony said:
@George_Soros said:
@NoShinyPony said:
the total silence has to go.
No. It's fun for both killer and survivors. Just needs balancing.
Well, I wouldn't consider a free grab/hook fun.
@George_Soros said:
There actually are counters to it by the way. The moment you realize she's using the Bracelet, you can adjust. Look around before jumping on a gen or totemThere are so many places on maps where that isn't possible
@George_Soros said:
wait until someone's injured or hooked, and then start repairingThat is such a big waste of time that giving the killer a free grab/hook would be better.
@George_Soros said:
Some perks can also be helpful: Premonition, Spine Chill, Empathy, Alert, OoO, maybe some others too.These perks don't necesseraly help against that add-on. Also, why should survivors need to bring a certain perk just to counter a completely unbalanced add-on?
Run empathy, for the love of all things holy. Not even just vs spirit, it will improve your map awareness a thousand fold the second that someone gets tagged. You will know where the killer's vicinity is, you will know which way they are likely going by seeing where the injured survivor goes (and consequently, as they do things like throw down pallets, you will have confirmation,) and you can play m1 simulator to your heart's content. As a bonus you can even rotate around the map to be as far away from the chase as possible if you're too much of a coward to stay in one place.
I used to play with Empathy a lot, now I don't anymore. I don't know where you got the idea that I would like to play gen simulator far away from trouble. You couldn't be more wrong.
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@Ryuhi said:
for the record I absolutely hated the update to the beads until I tried the spirit out, now it feels like the same area as something like mint rag on the hag: really good, but not busted. You'd have more validity complaining about things like being able to pair iridescent heads and the highest tier belt on the huntress.The huntress still needs to throw correctly. That is different to a free grab.
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@PigNRun said:
@NoShinyPony said:
These perks don't necesseraly help against that add-on. Also, why should survivors need to bring a certain perk just to counter a completely unbalanced add-on?Oh my, the irony. Right?
Well, it goes both ways, of course. A killer should not have to bring certain perks to make up for other certain unbalanced things in the game... but this is a thread about specific add-ons and I don't want to derail.
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@Tsulan said:
How about we first buff useless addons of other killers?The useless add-ons need to be buffed/reworked, of course. That doesn't mean that a completely unbalanced add-on should stay in the game longer than necessary.
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@George_Soros said:
@NoShinyPony said:
the total silence has to go.
No. It's fun for both killer and survivors. Just needs balancing.
Well, I wouldn't consider a free grab/hook fun.
@George_Soros said:
There actually are counters to it by the way. The moment you realize she's using the Bracelet, you can adjust. Look around before jumping on a gen or totemThere are so many places on maps where that isn't possible
@George_Soros said:
wait until someone's injured or hooked, and then start repairingThat is such a big waste of time that giving the killer a free grab/hook would be better.
@George_Soros said:
Some perks can also be helpful: Premonition, Spine Chill, Empathy, Alert, OoO, maybe some others too.These perks don't necesseraly help against that add-on. Also, why should survivors need to bring a certain perk just to counter a completely unbalanced add-on?
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@Entità said:
NoShinyPony said:@Entità said:
@NoShinyPony The fact is no one uses it, like the old Surveillance.
Yes, but if only a small amount of people plays hard mode, then that doesn't mean that hard mode should be nerfed. It simply means that people don't want to play a mode that is too difficult for them.
I know I am repeating myself but: We are not talking about a useful perk, we are talking about hard mode! Why would a player want to nerf a hard mode instead of seeing it as a challenge or simply ignoring it?
If you want hard mode, then you should stay injured all the trial with blood and grunts: what is the function of No Mither?
The function of No Mither is being the hard mode. There is no other function. The devs could give bonus bloodpoints but I don't see the point in why a hard mode should be made less hard. If it's too difficult, then don't play it,
It reads like what you are looking for is basically Unbreakable that you can use more than once.
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@Theluckyboi said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
additional blinks addons of nurse
Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.Prayers beats addon of spirit
Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.
Yeah then remove insta heal add-ons and we are fine
One unbalanced thing doesn't justify the existence of another unbalanced thing in the game. Every unbalanced item/add-on/etc. should be reworked.
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@George_Soros said:
NoShinyPony said:@Ryuhi said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
* additional blinks addons of nurse
Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.
Prayers beats addon of spirit
Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.
Prayer beads, while absurdly strong, do still require skill as you can't see the survivor so you have to guess between 1-4 placements where the survivor you're trying to grab is.
Survivors have collision, you know exactly on which position they are sitting. It isn't skill.
I agree with OP on that, Prayer Beads in its current state is not o.k. The only "counter" would be to gen tap and that's of course out of the question. Make the Walk more quiet but not completely silent.
I LOVE Prayer Beads Bracelet, so it pains me to say it, but I agree. It's just too strong. I don't think though it should be changed in a way that makes Spirit Walk quieter, but not completely silent, as you suggest. Rather, I think it should come with some downside, as many strong addons do.
It's not a strong add-on, it's a too strong add-on. Sorry, but since it doesn't have a counter, you can't simply add a negative effect. In order for it to be a strong, but balanced add-on, the total silence has to go.
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Only do it if you want to have the bloody skins.
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@Shadoureon said:
equilibrium
Debuff: After beeing hit by the killer the survivor loses their sense of balance and are unable to jump in a hatch for 3 seconds. (Debuff only shows after the hatch has spawned)This removes the standoff but still lets the survivor enter during a chase.
That would most likely mean: If the killer knows where the hatch is, the survivor won't get it.
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@Ryuhi said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
additional blinks addons of nurse
Absolutely busted, not only you cover much more distance even without range addons, but also you got as survivor 0 chance to win a chase. Remove it, it's healthier for DbD.Prayers beats addon of spirit
Seriously, this addon is busted. Getting free grabs at gens is stupid af. Takes 0 skill to use and has an reward like NOED. Even more than noed, cuz u don't even waste time chasing.
Prayer beads, while absurdly strong, do still require skill as you can't see the survivor so you have to guess between 1-4 placements where the survivor you're trying to grab is.
Survivors have collision, you know exactly on which position they are sitting. It isn't skill.
I agree with OP on that, Prayer Beads in its current state is not o.k. The only "counter" would be to gen tap and that's of course out of the question. Make the Walk more quiet but not completely silent.