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  • I run Treacherous Crows+No Mither so I'm the one person who the birdbros won't rat out!

    I'm gonna give a quick shout out to Nic Cage all his perks are quality and powerful but I still see his perks get disrespected. 4x Scene Partner will be your most boring match of the day.

    Empathic Connection is a really cool perk. 4x of that would be really cool to see. Can be a reverse Wake Up! I love taking Empathy and tbagging with it. I use this perk instead of Botany to help with Sable Care.

    For Killer, Oppression is definitely slept on. I remember it's cooldown being crazy long, like 2 or 3 minutes? it's 35 seconds now. It's less map dependent than Surge, and it's effectiveness isn't dampened by survivor actions. It's just not very good at the start you kinda need someone on hook or dead but once the survivors get busy Oppression will start getting those abandoned generators regressing. I started using this perk a lot to combo with Unforeseen since Skull Merchant made pairing Surge with a lot of other perks difficult.

    Spies is definitely a great choice.

    Superior Anatomy kills. This is my staple in Count Barkula and no power Krasue builds but its because of the peace of mind the perk offers. Survivors feel awfully safe around windows.

  • @ScottJund said:

    So this does not work at all. Survivors can see the beam as it is being aimed, even through walls, which means even on indoor maps the only way you are reliably hitting people on generators is if it is their first game against the Judgment. The only exception is if you are in your empowered form where you can adjust the beam very shortly after its shot, but the turning scales with the distance of the power, meaning if you use it to snipe, you won't be able to really turn it whatsoever.

    In short, no you can't just sit in the middle of the map and hit people, you will lose.

    (This does, however, make the killer a disgustingly strong totem defender, so look forward to that standard hex build on every single one)

    I've only seen gameplay from the likes of you, so I dont have a full understanding myself but I'm hoping to go for a chess style where you play around the big picture, be liberal with chases but with the auras you "miss" and hit somebody not in chase. I'm hoping the unpredictability will force people to pay attention to me the entire game.

    My plan to do this was to setup Weave Attunement which may work since like Henry or Unknown people are a little more confident moving towards you

  • Ghoul, but he'd probably have to have his latch hold time set to 0 for 2v8.

    Id like the Vecnas and Xenomorph. I won't even ask for Cenobite, tbh I think they'd be left behind in 2v8 they'd need a huge buff to chain hunt timer

  • I love leaning into killer gimmicks so I was planning on doing exactly this. I was hoping to see how well my classic Weave+ Franklin's combo would fare on them.

    As a survivor I might have to bust out 11 and get this killer revealed as much as I can awareness is going to be a huge factor in dealing with them I think

  • @LordGlint said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4104151#Comment_4104151

    Those stats are showing popularity, not effectiveness. Chances are animatronic, Wesker, Huntress, deja vu and windows arnt all facing nerfs because of popularity either. Ghoul... maybe, lol

    if popularity drove nerfs that'd be rough for a few killers because Ghoul is the anime guy, Springtrap is the fnaf guy and Wesker is the video game guy. Their popularity is guaranteed like Spiderman from Rivals so no amount of nerfs will convince people to stop playing them.

  • I think its fine this way. the earlier gens are basically mini Resurgences which aren't a big deal to miss but you'll want to participate in the last gen for sure.

  • I've played some games on the survivor side with some like minded peeps our games seemed to just be us all taking 4 flashlights. We don't always escape but those killers are getting blasted. I'm really curious as to why items aren't random too.

  • @ShanoaLegendaryPlz said:

    For games ill add:

    • Killer Instinct
    • Rampage
    • X-Com
    • Contra
    • Lolipop Chainsaw
    • Bayonetta
    • Metroid
    • Onichanbara bikini zombie slayers 2
    • Turok (Acclaim trilogy)
    • Destroy all humans
    • Hexen
    • Dead island
    • Baldurs gate 3
    • Dead space
    • Alone in the dark (2024)
    • Dragon's Crown
    • Bioshock
    • Blazblue
    • Blazing Chrome
    • BloodRayne
    • Bloodstained
    • Carrion
    • Disciples
    • Duke Nukem
    • The Evil Within
    • Fatal Frame
    • Fear effect
    • Half-life
    • Hitman
    • House of the dead
    • Killing Floor
    • King of Fighters
    • Legacy of Kain series
    • Lovecraft's untold stories
    • System Shock
    • Metal gear solid
    • Metal Slug
    • Bloody Roar
    • Onimusha
    • Prototype
    • Quake wars
    • R.E.P.O
    • Parasite Eve (now called the 3rd birthday)
    • Rise of the Robots
    • Samurai Shodown
    • Sense: a cyberpunk ghost story
    • Serious Sam
    • Shadow Warrior
    • The Sinking City
    • Song of Horror
    • Soul Calibur
    • Warhammer Total War
    • Warhammer 40k Dawn of War
    • Strange Brigade
    • Stubbs the Zombie
    • Sword of the Stars
    • Uncharted
    • Countdown Vampires
    • Prey (2006)
    • Golden Axe
    • Primal Rage
    • Twisted Metal Black
    • Eternal Darkness
    • Blood West
    • Sinisistar

    For Anime/Tv/Movies ill add:

    • Blood-C
    • Highschool of the dead
    • Parasite
    • Elfen Lied
    • Mirai Nikki (Future Diary)
    • Tales from the Crypt Keeper
    • Another
    • Hellsing Ultimate
    • Shiki
    • Akame ga Kill
    • Shaun of the dead
    • Conan the barbarian
    • Ghost in the Shell
    • Muv Luv Alternative
    • Bubblegum Crisis
    • Bleach
    • Witchblade
    • Gungrave
    • Screamers
    • Pumpkinhead
    • Godzilla
    • Sinbad
    • Willy's wonderland
    • The Blob
    • Tokkô
    • Brynhildr
    • Trinity Blood
    • Red Sonja
    • Pandorum
    • Critters
    • Mars attacks
    • Hannibal
    • Puppet Master
    • From Dusk Till Dawn
    • Gremlins
    • Underworld
    • Sin City
    • The Leprechaun
    • Candyman
    • The X-Files
    • Lost
    • Scary Movie
    • Tales from the Darkside
    • The Outer Limmits
    • The Twilight zone
    • Cabin in the woods
    • Heavy Metal / Heavy Metal 2000
    • Black Lagoon
    • Street Sharks
    • Biker Mice from Mars
    • Ninja Turtles

    For Books / Comics I'll add :

    • Doubt / Judge
    • Stormdancer
    • D&D Dragonlance
    • Warhammer Von Carstein trilogy
    • Warhammer Gotrek & Felix series
    • Murcielago
    • The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
    • Empire of the Vampire
    • Watchmen
    • Triage X
    • A Dance in the Vampire Bund
    • Franken Fran
    • Übel Blatt
    • Nevernight
    • Marvel Zombies
    • Magical Girl Apacolypse

    To name a few.

    not gonna lie, a Yuno Gasai skin would be a perfect fit for Susie

  • @random1543 said:

    Ghoul could not fundementially work in 2v8.

    since its a lock on hit, you could go around the map insta downing everyone. ghoul locks on, does his scream animation, they go into deep wound and other killer just slaps the survivor.

    technically that's "just" a powercrept Deathslinger.

    If Sprint Burst comes back unchanged Ghoul would likely not even be an issue(minus ghouls double tap potential, he's weaker than Legion in 2v8)

  • @esarraf said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4103889#Comment_4103889

    That got patched awhile ago I believe so killer props take priority in the event of a conflict.

    that's good to know; I can safely use my screech cobbler then :)

  • I wonder how that'll work on controller then. I'm still waiting for Vecna to get dpad support

  • all I want are fun, cool addons that make me want to queue up. Springtrap's loot bag is the funniest thing ever even though you never pull it off, and Alucards Shield is the coolest most metal addon in the game even though you'll never get value from it. We need more of those types of addons!

  • my guess is it'll come back...in a few years. Saber has exclusive rights right now but after Hellraiser Revivals been out and they move on to KOTOR Remake I'm optimistic the doors will open for possible negotiations.

  • my knowledge may be outdated, its hard to keep up with dbd but do chests still interfere with killer powers? I remember the meta against Xenomorph was to put up chest coins to further weaken their power.

    I want more chests for survivors I just don't want it impacting killers or even ruining loops for either side

  • that concept art goes pretty hard! what did they do to it?

  • Kiseijuu/Parasyte: The Maxim; Id love a parasite killer because I want a killer I can use non licenced cosmetics for. This killer would be a compromise for those who want a mimic killer because we can't have a mimic that relies on actually being a mimic they need a chase power and parasites are quite lethal.

    Having an entire catalogue of survivor cosmetics for killer is big brain business

  • I kinda miss the Hoarder days that perk has seen no use since then :(

  • I decided to check my stats because I feel like I have under 60% win rate but he's still one of my higher wins rate killers at 63%. He gets some imposter syndrome like The First. My Krasue and Freddy are on top somehow.

    if you wanna be evil, Pinhead can cause some psychological damage with the hexes with Chatterers Tooth you have an on demand "rip people off totems" but don't tell anybody I said that lol. Blood Favour and Devour Hope can go hard sometimes if you enjoy that. Engineers Feng is legitimately a terrible addon that gives you 0 chase power but some games that doesn't even matter so yoy can pair it with some hex builds

  • @MechWarrior3 said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4103823#Comment_4103823

    Okay first of all: not you dropping the Cenobite Gospel on my little goofy thread 😭 🤣


    For real though, this actually helps a ton. Hearing you say ‘there is no reward, it’s just suffering’ lowkey made me feel way less crazy, because that’s EXACTLY how it feels when I’m getting pre-ran to Narnia.

    I’m gonna try leaning into the box timing / chain hunt pressure more and just accept that sometimes the map + survivors = pain and nothing I do fixes it. Thank you for the essay, professor Pinhead. I hate this killer and also now I wanna queue him again, so… mission accomplished I guess 😂


    Devs if you’re reading this….Pinhead needs to be less frustrating to play as. His main power barely slows the survivor down in 90% of his uses.

    its a bit of a weird conundrum for me because I adore the fact that Pinhead is merely Seeker of Pleasure #5, no other killer wants the same thing survivors do. BHVR could nerf chain hunts and buff the possessed chain but I worry he'd just be Clown 2 and he'd lose his flavour. We could really use a couple minor things like smarter portals and not allow Pinhead to break his own chains. I used to be against that but I think its the best way to make them feel better without actually touching the killer

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    I think this sounds really boring. It would be the same gameplay, just more Perks. Might just be interesting to see how the game is played with 5 Perks, since this is something people sometimes suggest, but nothing more.

    as a card game player, I enjoy building and theorycrafting more than I do playing things, dbds no exception. I would love to cook with 5 perk slots! for example, a few builds like a locker or vault build I've found myself thinking "man, I wish I had a 5th slot for Quick n Quiet..."

  • aww, thanks yall. I'm honoured! I feel a little bad, as if I should have a secret weapon for exactly this moment!

    but that's the neat part...there is no reward. It is just suffering. It's not always even your fault. The chain power is medium risk/medium-low reward, and on some levels you will struggle to secure a single health state.

    It's why I crash out over Laras because how do you secure a lead vs 3 people with Finesse+ Lithe? I usually only 1 regression perk max so the math is simply against us. If you're playing Chaos Shuffle and you see Fixated you basically have to never chase that person because you're a trapless Trapper.

    Cenobites just a killer that has to come out and overwhelm everybody, and then maintain that pressure the entire match. A single "recovery" can often put you in a position you'll never come back from. So you're basically forced to immediately grab the box on spawn, and from there try to maintain Chain Hunt uptime while also forcing pressure elsewhere. Sometimes it's about being patient and waiting for an opportune time for the Box while the survivors are busy or make a mistake. Against good survivors on a good map it's sometimes all you have to pray for. This killer cannot come back from the brink without an opportunity or a mistake.

    This killer needs some kind of info so you can help triangulate that box. Sometimes it's worth letting it sit there just because sometimes it's in a really mean spot. Swamp though....ugh I swear it ALWAYS spawns on the docks. there's so much empty space there.

    I used to use the Jason build on him to help reinforce that early game oppression but I've been trying to get away from that. I've found Deerstalker to be cute for helping deal with my worst enemies, the sneaky box stealer.

    I wish I had some real advice, though. At the very least, his iri box addon should help add some inefficiency so survivors can't easily just beeline the box. REALLY confident survivors will just take the box and never solve it. That's how little respect we command sometimes. Good luck on a pallet filled map.

    I'm unironically thinking of transitioning from no power Krasue to no power Pinhead because I wish I were joking by saying I 4k with no power Krasue but I struggle immensely on Pinhead some days. So why not have a box help me while I'm at it haha

    Its not an easy life, as you'll end up wanting to play Ghoul or even Legion. As much as I hate to say it, I prefer to face Pinhead than play him. If you stick with him for a while all your Pinheads will suffer as you have.

    I did a horrible job reassuring you, but I attribute all my dbd skill to Legion+ Cenobite. these killers will sharpen your macro gameplay. Just gotta recognize the lost games when you get em and not get tilted by the bad games. These are the games I try to go for fancy chain curves. One day I'd love to be more confident and rock the turn rate addons.

    You get pre ran pretty hard, so Distressing just isn't helping. Don't sweat it, buddy!

  • @TheTom20 said:

    Most peoples frustrations with solo que stem from bad team mates way more than perks do.

    I would play every game perless if my team mates weren't so useless an selfish

    for real, dude.

  • @cammoking123 said:

    People only use windows because there’s nothing else. I was using Cross Examination until BHVR killed that perk dead. Now it’s right back to windows.

    this is just untrue. Windows is just a perfect perk. there are many perks just as good.

  • based Springtrap enjoyers let's go!!! I helped!

  • @Lethal_premium said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4103503#Comment_4103503

    It still has the same hold W problem, and it's free distance with no skill required which is not healthy IMO.

    the amount of 3-4x Lithe paired with 3-4 Finesse in my lobbies is what genuinely makes me revert to Ghoul. Everywhere I go, Lara is there to haunt me.

  • that's understandable, especially as service animals normally aren't allowed indoors

  • I looped a xeno around his own turret and he got auto aimed into it. I saw him jerk. it's just sad that I could weaponize such a feature.

    it's super annoying on Spirit. this killer literally cannot afford to play around the aim dressing you have to act so fast so they don't have the reaction time to respond.

  • I don't see why it can't be an option in the loadouts

  • when I play killer I prefer this because I'm sick of always being called out all the time even while Undetectable.

  • are we supposed to feel bad about this or something? SB and Lithe have warped the game for far too long just like Nurse has.

  • @LordGlint said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4103174#Comment_4103174

    If you stomp a boon with shattered hope, can you then light it up with penti?

    as the former totem abusing king Cenobite I can confirm this does work.

    I can also confirm that even in peak CoH hell this perk was completely devoid of any value.

  • A polite society is an armed society. Id prefer not to take my chances

  • I'm gonna be the greediest dbd player in existence by asking for my most wanted character to be added to the game, even though they are already a survivor and a killer; Eren Jeager. I should be grateful for anything but I feel like a laughingstock in both roles :(

    Id love to see more Castlevania, I'm not a fan per se but the last chapter inspired me with a lot of confidence. Draculas pay to lose skin is the best thing ever.

  • @ThatRyanB said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4103132#Comment_4103132

    If you don't mind me being the annoying Question Guy™️ here, I'd love to dig into your point about invocations. Is there anything specific that stands out to you that makes them feel not viable?

    I love them, if you check the stats on Treacherous Crows it's probably just my match history!

    Weaving Spiders seems ok the main problem with the crows are the terror radius requirement and the heavy perk setup to work. I pretty much have to run Calm Spirit and Eyes of Belmont, so I really have 1 flex spot to work with. My friends refuse to use Calm Spirit so I'm the only bird friend in the lobby. Freeing up that slot with Elans idea could help, I never considered that idea but I worry that effect would be more powerful than the base perk itself so I think easing the terror radius restrictions would be a good first step.

    I actually would love to see escape rates on the Invocations and boons I think that could make for some great water cooler conversation

  • remove the Terror Radius requirement for Treacherous Crows; everybody else gets to pre run with SB/Lithe+ Finesse+ Vigil, but yall are terrified of Lil ol me with No Mither, a crow and a prayer.

  • @Your_Dad_Playing_DbD said:

    Do you work for free?

    plenty of people do unpaid overtime, actually. for some its a feature called a salary.

    I'm not saying it should be free, but there exists a time beyond today where there may be newpaying customers. A free killer could be a loss today to secure greater gains tomorrow.

    Shards are funny money anyways where you only pay with your time. it's not real dollar value anyways. Usually grind keeps us hamsters on the wheel but this could introduce many new hamsters.

  • yup been getting a healthy amount of em.

    wake me up when Meat Plant is boosted ty

  • @Massquwatt said:

    SB's popularity is still going to remain, what they're shaving off in distance they're giving back in giving it an activation key apparently which makes saving it and using it demand a hell of a lot more better. I honestly don't see people giving it up even after the nerfs.

    based off 2v8 feedback they better not do that. That would make it a net BUFF to SB lmao. has to be fake....plus then it'd be stepping on Dramaturgys toes

  • you can rework Treacherous Crows from my cold, lifeless body.

  • maybe I'll play a bit less Ghoul; we will see. I was hoping for a Finesse gutting though.

  • Ghoul isn't that big of a deal anymore ever since the removal of the vault QoL feature. People conflate being popular and loud with OP.

    hes gonna be popular no matter what.

  • I usually just wanna say hi to everyone and spread the violence and the BP equally. I build around 1 regression perk tops and usually build the perks around the killer. I don't like being shut out, so I hate the pre running types. I aim to 3k every match, ideally kill them all, but if I'm doing well I spread the hooks.

    I get tamed pretty easy I don't sweat the 4k. I can be petty though when it comes to retaliation I forgive but I don't forget. My favourite build on Springtrap is an end game one so with 0 perks I can go all out with my natural skill and I can settle for a hard earned 2k. GG! But if that pre running Lara with 0 hooks gets the wrong idea about the situation, she'll be in for a fun surprise. Suddenly people don't tbag as much when every pallet and window become blocked >:)

    When I want a simpler change of pace and not struggle with 0 perks I like to meme with Count Barkula(dog only Drac) or no power Krasue. I swear, Superior Anatomy kills not because of the perk itself, but because of the confidence it gives you.

    I've been a lifelong Surge enjoyer but this year I've been using a lot of Oppression. Usually pairing it with Unforeseen. I still can't believe how low the cooldown is these days.

    I also love the Franklins+ Weave Attunement combo, especially with Unforeseen. I use that on a variety of killers, from m1s like Myers and Ghoul to m2s like The First. Getting Hawkins or RPD can sometimes give you the most one sided matches. Assaulting people as an invisible Henry on different floors of RPD with perfect knowledge is peak killer fantasy fulfilment if you ask me.

  • @Slurp_Ramen said:

    I’m all for the thrill nerf, it’s been overtuned since it got buffed in 8.4.0.

    Killers like houndmaster with scream add on, pig with face the darkness, singularity, trapper(rng dependent), demo, hell any high mobility killer were incredibly strong with a full hex thrill build.

    If no one had counterforce (which is likely because people sleep on totem builds so much) and the killer played the long game it was nigh impossible to get anywhere, even more so if a penti was put up, doing gens through penti is some Garbo.


    It’s a shame it took a strong killer and popular YouTuber to finally show people everything wrong with thrill but hey that’s just a regular Tuesday at this point.

    feels bad when my boy Cenobite has been doing this for years but he's just not good enough for anybody to notice or care </3

  • the queues are 5 seconds at night; killers come out during the day and get spooked when the sun goes down.

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4102220#Comment_4102220

    Yeah, but this is a self-reinforcing problem: Unpopular Characters dont get new Skins because it brings more money to give popular characters new Skins, which obviously does not help the unpopular characters.

    And especially Haddie got a Skin every Patch at some point and it did not really boost her pickrate at all.

    they did my fellow Canadian so dirty I feel; despite the outfits she got she only had 2 things I liked, her sweater+ purple pants recolour and her flower power. I want outfits but I want something I'd actually wear, too.

  • @Arcturus said:

    Personally I could care less whether every single addon is in the pool: on one hand like 1 addon per killer could be disabled to disable crippling meme powers, on the other hand it is supposed to be Chaos Shuffle where you get anywhere from a super meta build to a pile of trash.

    But the reason Lights Out is being changed this way is obvious. I don't know if you ever played from the survivor side, but while you can argue the horror aspect was cool, it wasn't fun to instantly die with no warning from a ranged killer out of your view or a killer that can make you exposed without you even knowing and instantly down you because you have no idea where to run. The game was just straight up not fun for survivors, which is one of the reasons 2v8 is always so easy to get into as a survivor and takes so long to get into as killer: its fun for killers, but being double tapped by 2 killers at a time is not (of course, I vastly would prefer to play survivor in 2v8 than Lights Out)

    getting double teamed is how you lose games, though. it feels bad but it's also a losing strategy. as a survivor i love being double teamed

  • hetero Bill's finally have some company

  • I refuse to use Attack Titan mori because of how lame it is. I need a Trapper mori rework yesterday

  • I miss my Myers NTR slop. I loved standing there, menacingly.

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