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@artist said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/353492#Comment_353492
yeah I was talking about only legion, or maybe some other bs killers/builds
That's still understandable. Legion is such a terribly designed killer.
What I also fear is the combination of Thana, Sloppy and Couldrophobia. We'll see though, if there are too many complaints, BHVR will be smart enough to give us a healing debuff cap instead of nerfing Thana.
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@Bravo0413 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/352946#Comment_352946
The only players who say theres not enough pallets on a nap are the ones who are inexperienced and simply need to learn the maps--------> WOO helps you learn the maps faster... pallet spots and windows... wear this perk for a bit and you'll realize there was nothing wrong with the pallet distribution system
This is actually a good advice. Problem is, it's a teachable of Kate Denson. It should really just be one of the non teachable perks, since it's the perfect perk for beginners.
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I would love if the perk had some kind of use after the beginning of the match as well. But 80 seconds in my opinion is too much. Especially once only three gens are left. The killer will just have to patrol two gens 80 seconds long, so survivors will just hide somewhere far away from the gens until the 80 seconds are over.
Maybe the entity could block all gens after each gen is repaired, but only for 10 seconds. Or maybe for 5 seconds after each hook.
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@Wolf74 said:
Terrible idea. If the killer uses multiple perks to stack them up, why not? He actually paid for it.
I get that, I was just concerned because it might end up unenjoyable for too many survivors. I just don't want Thana to be nerfed.
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@Master said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/50635/max-healing-debuff-cap
The community didnt want longer gens, so we have longer heals now.
I would have prefered longe gens too, but now we have to deal with it
The best answer to not having longer gens would have been a second objective. Don't forget, it's not just about balance, but about game design. And I just brought it up because I do want to see this game last quite a while, which it will only if the game is fun for both sides.
Personally I don't even mind longer heals, I was just concerned about the game getting too many complaints because of that and that Thana would be nerfed again.
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
Even if survivors cry about it, It wont get changed.
It'll be just like people complaining about Doctor, NOED and stuff like that. There is already many counters to Tanatophobia like Bottany, empathy, medkits, we'll make It, etc.
Let's hope. I can't wait to finally use Thanatophobia now.
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@artist said:
sloppy + thanataphobia will defenitely be really annoying. and if its a legion theres no point in healing, so you're debuffed the whole game. I have a feeling my game will be crashing a lot in that situation
Crashing? You mean Dcing? I mean it's two perks so it's not that bad, shouldn't really dc because of that. Only against Legion I could somewhat understand that though.
But thana with three or four survivors injured plus sloppy might become a little to annoying I feel like. I mean you're not really doing anything else while healing then you do while repairing, holding M1 and hitting skill checks, but still.
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@Kaelum said:
@rooCraah that’s the point, to create a choke point. However, it would not keep the entire team permanently in the broken state like you suggest, as the killer would need to cleanse at least 1 fountain before the timer times out. 1 minute may, or may not, be too long, but it could be played with. 30 seconds would have to be the absolute minimum; otherwise, it would have no beneficial effect to the killer.
An alternative could be, when the killer collects the corruption from a fountain, it takes 60-90 seconds before that fountain is cleansed and becomes usable by survivors. Fountains is this pending state do not count as corrupted fountains, which means that the reset is not triggered.
I think 30 seconds would be better. 60 could be too much. Maybe 45 seconds.
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@Chaotic_Riddle said:
Let us Legions have our moment in the spotlight, please.
I would love to, but they are so terribly unfun to play against right now, and this game does need four times the amount of survivors as killers.
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/353034#Comment_353034
Because you said the minimum distance was only changed on Shelter Woods, that is not the case
According to the patch notes shelter woods is the only map to receive a change in minimum distance between pallets.
Which is why I was confused when I saw a jungle jym with two pallets in one of true's videos in azarov's resting place, which already should have way more than 8 pallets.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/352927#Comment_352927
It had to do with the way pallets are distributed. First, spots without double pallets are filled, then more are added until the map has the required number of pallets. If you've taken physics or chemistry, it's similar to how electrons are distributed in the various orbitals.
Yeah I get that. However I've seen a double pallet jungle jym on Azarov's resting place, and I just find it hard to believe that that map did not reach the minimum of 8 pallets without having two pallets spawn in a jungle jym.
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@ABannedCat said:
Play Nurse if you dont like pallets.
No thx. I shouldn't have to play one certain killer just to deal with certain balancing changes.
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@MysticalMagic92 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/352906#Comment_352906
Oh it's in the patch notes buddy. "Decreased the minimum distance between pallets to 8 meters." Honestly, if there was any time you should have been playing it should have been between the Spirit's released up until the Plague. The game really hasn't been more balanced.
Yeah I did play the game for a while up until some time after Legions release. Think I got a bit bored of the game since like two months. But with the new DS and Thana changes, I felt like it could be fun to return to the game. Just having two pallets for a jungle jym seems so ridiculous, since they are already so strong and not really mindgameable.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/352906#Comment_352906
It is in the patch notes. They increased the minimum number of pallets and reduced the distance between them on one of the maps.
Oh ok. Does that mean not every jungle jym has two pallets? I mean a minimum of 8 pallets isn't that much,or? Why would it cause jungle jyms to have 2 pallets?
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Wait is this actually an intended change? Like it's not in the patch notes. I wanted to come back to this game maybe after some time but if jungle jyms honestly have two pallets again I'll rather just forget about that. What kind of joke is that?
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@The_Crusader said:
It has its pros and cons.Its definitely going to make the game more enjoyable for survivors by punishing tunneling, however it does look like it will become OP at the late game.
Well to be honest at the end game it's still the same as it is before. Just now it won't be able to ruin your momentum as much. I can't wait for this change.
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@Ihatelife said:
Perhaps...now it's seems is gonna be more better as the anti-tunneling perk.Exactly. And in my opinion this perk couldn't have a better purpose than countering tunneling. Brilliant
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I mean that's still possible even now. It's just that now the perk has certain restrictions and counters. This is such a good change to DS I can't even.
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@Tsulan said:
ad19970 said:@Tsulan said:
No_Cluie_Louis said:
@ad19970 said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said: @ad19970 said: @SenzuDuck said: @No_Cluie_Louis said: @SenzuDuck said: @Master said: @ad19970 said: @Master said: @ad19970 said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: Raccoon said:
Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: 30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy. Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams... sigh You're [BAD WORD] hilarious. Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP. "I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian." This defines people like yourself. You forgot the people that agreed with me. You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog. Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at. Are you joking? Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animation You can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you. Wahoooooo! Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally. Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade. Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points. It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding. Well then how come in the past when i have suggested to nerf unjustified camping and buff leaving the hook, people have attacked me with the good ol' cAmPiNg WaS iNtEnTiOnAl jUsT dOnT gEt CaUgHtCause some killers mains want their easier way to get kills kept in the game. As simple as that. Or maybe they fear that when nerfing camping killers will just suffer more from gen rush.
To me it's clear, rewarding non camping killers more and rewarding camping and tunneling campers less is not just a balance improvement, but a fundamental design improvement for the game that improves the experience of both sides for the majority of the player base. Well i totally agree, so i wish people like @master and @Tsulan would stop claiming it's balanced Quote me on where I call it balanced.
Stop putting words into my mouth.
I think he said that because you and Master seem to be against any nerf to camping and changes that would reward killers more for not camping.
Wrong.
Face camping had to be removed, because there was no way around it. Face camping was removed by the devs. I only think it's wrong to call it face camping when it doesn't exist anymore.
I'm against camping but I know that sometimes it's a necessary evil. Something to slow the game down.
I'm against the BBQ nerf, because killers need a reason to leave the hook. But that reason should be voluntary and not because of punishment.
Camping is a desired strategy by the devs. Otherwise Insidious wouldn't exist.
I tried insidious a few times and find it utterly boring. So I usually don't commit to camping, but as any other killer, I get called out for it. Even when I use MYC or Devour Hope.
I get that. And I even say myself that camping is intended by the devs. That's why I always say that people should not blame killers that camp, they are just using a strategy that's good for them. All I'm saying is that the effectiveness of camping right now is a design problem. The most viable strategies for one side shouldn't be the most frustrating strategy for the opposing team to deal with. I get that at times it's good for killers to camp. Or at least patrol the hook. I just want killers to have more incentive to not camp and less to camp. So a buff to not camping and a nerf to camping.
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@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
No_Cluie_Louis said:@ad19970 said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said: @ad19970 said: @SenzuDuck said: @No_Cluie_Louis said: @SenzuDuck said: @Master said: @ad19970 said: @Master said: @ad19970 said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: Raccoon said:Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Are you joking?
Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animation
You can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you
No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly
Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you.
Wahoooooo!
Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally.
Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade.
Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points.
It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding.
Well then how come in the past when i have suggested to nerf unjustified camping and buff leaving the hook, people have attacked me with the good ol' cAmPiNg WaS iNtEnTiOnAl jUsT dOnT gEt CaUgHt
Cause some killers mains want their easier way to get kills kept in the game. As simple as that. Or maybe they fear that when nerfing camping killers will just suffer more from gen rush.
To me it's clear, rewarding non camping killers more and rewarding camping and tunneling campers less is not just a balance improvement, but a fundamental design improvement for the game that improves the experience of both sides for the majority of the player base.
Well i totally agree, so i wish people like @master and @Tsulan would stop claiming it's balanced
Quote me on where I call it balanced.
Stop putting words into my mouth.I think he said that because you and Master seem to be against any nerf to camping and changes that would reward killers more for not camping.
Who said that?
Fact is that 99% of those threads want the killer to be PUNISHED for camping.I think I can speak for us both here that we would appreciate rewards for fresh hooks (something like truetalents idea)
However another fact is that the devs just did the opposite, they nerfed the BBQ aura ability and thus nerfed the incentive to not-camp. Also they came up with unhook invulnerability, another buff to BT, cancelable unhookign animation and camping emblem penalty.I think we need both. As it is now, camping is to effective for the little skill that is needed for camping. At least against solo survivors. But yes, I also agree that we need some incentive for killers to not camp.
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@The_Crusader said:
I've asked before, there is no ban. It's allowed.An alternative is Nvidia freestyle. Its in the geforce experience. Its officially supported by Behaviour. Makes the game look really nice.
Can any of the options help with corn blindness in any way?
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@Tsulan said:
I know this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the devs should incorporate ingame voice chat. Just for survivors. So no external voice com is required.
Remove all the information the devs gave survivors in a desperate attempt to balance solo to swf.
Then balance the game around voice chat.Don't like that 12 year old kid that screams into your ear? Press the mute button.
That's the problem though. If the game and all it's killers is balanced around voice comms, than every survivor that doesn't want to deal with voice comms will have quite the disadvantage to other survivors.
On the other hand there doesn't really seem to be a different way to balance it, since people don't like the idea of survivors getting to much information. But if all killers were balanced around 4 man swf squads that play quite optimally, I fear the game will lose a lot of solo survivor players, or even swf players that don't use voice comms to play as organized as possible. -
Well there are definitely some balancing issues that still need to be adressed in some way, but I do agree with you that this game is in a good spot right now, I enjoy playing both sides a lot.
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@Tsulan said:
No_Cluie_Louis said:@ad19970 said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said: @ad19970 said: @SenzuDuck said: @No_Cluie_Louis said: @SenzuDuck said: @Master said: @ad19970 said: @Master said: @ad19970 said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: Raccoon said:Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Are you joking?
Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animation
You can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you
No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly
Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you.
Wahoooooo!
Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally.
Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade.
Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points.
It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding.
Well then how come in the past when i have suggested to nerf unjustified camping and buff leaving the hook, people have attacked me with the good ol' cAmPiNg WaS iNtEnTiOnAl jUsT dOnT gEt CaUgHt
Cause some killers mains want their easier way to get kills kept in the game. As simple as that. Or maybe they fear that when nerfing camping killers will just suffer more from gen rush.
To me it's clear, rewarding non camping killers more and rewarding camping and tunneling campers less is not just a balance improvement, but a fundamental design improvement for the game that improves the experience of both sides for the majority of the player base.
Well i totally agree, so i wish people like @master and @Tsulan would stop claiming it's balanced
Quote me on where I call it balanced.
Stop putting words into my mouth.I think he said that because you and Master seem to be against any nerf to camping and changes that would reward killers more for not camping.
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@Poweas said:
@ad19970 said:
@Blueberry said:
@Nickenzie said:
TangledNoodles said:I remember the devs saying that it could be built in instead of being a perk at some point. It would be nice because having a full lobby with solo people is a mess, and I'm pretty sure no one likes to get to second stage or end up dying on the first hook because people don't know if someone is going for the save or not.
@weirdkid5 and I have been talking about how to close the SWF and solo Q survivors gap. We agreed that not having Kindred as baseline is the better option since the game is based on not knowing everything. However, I wouldn't be opposed to small details to help the experience of solo Q survivors.
The game honestly needs a seperate Casual/Ranked mode and only allow SWF in Casual mode. That's probably the best fix for the problem. Only real question is if the player base is strong enough to be split.
I wouldn't mind this solution, but I honestly doubt that would work. Also how to balance the game? Balance killers around solo survivors, which would mean a slight nerf to Hillbilly and Spirit and a somewhat bigger nerf to Nurse, could work. Balancing would be more important for ranked, but then what killer would want to play casual?
Why'd you forget Hag
She could maybe use a very, very small nerf as well
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Wait, there is an actual bug that makes pallets invisible?
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@Blueberry said:
@Nickenzie said:
TangledNoodles said:I remember the devs saying that it could be built in instead of being a perk at some point. It would be nice because having a full lobby with solo people is a mess, and I'm pretty sure no one likes to get to second stage or end up dying on the first hook because people don't know if someone is going for the save or not.
@weirdkid5 and I have been talking about how to close the SWF and solo Q survivors gap. We agreed that not having Kindred as baseline is the better option since the game is based on not knowing everything. However, I wouldn't be opposed to small details to help the experience of solo Q survivors.
The game honestly needs a seperate Casual/Ranked mode and only allow SWF in Casual mode. That's probably the best fix for the problem. Only real question is if the player base is strong enough to be split.
I wouldn't mind this solution, but I honestly doubt that would work. Also how to balance the game? Balance killers around solo survivors, which would mean a slight nerf to Hillbilly and Spirit and a somewhat bigger nerf to Nurse, could work. Balancing would be more important for ranked, but then what killer would want to play casual?
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@SnakeSound222 said:
@ad19970 said:
@SnakeSound222 said:
It definitely seems like a shadow nerf more than a bug, especially since it was excluded from the 2.5.1 update. I’m honestly not that surprised, considering he does better against new players and we all know what happens when newer Survivors struggle. I'm really hoping it gets undone in the Moonrise patch or in another update. It was an unnecessary nerf that happened because Survivors whined enough. If it's to fix being stunned when you're already on the other side of the vault, then it should be fixed in a different way than straight up nerfing him.Wait it's a nerf in patch 2.5.0? Like I'm pretty sure I've had this problem with Doc since much earlier. Also if it's a nerf, why does it sometimes still work to interrupt a vaulting animation when at the beginning of the animation? It's just sometimes survivors vault even when I shock them before they start vaulting. But not always.
I never really had this problem. I was thinking that it was a shadow nerf because it wasn't mentioned in the 2.5.1 patch notes and I would like to think that the devs would want to fix such a game-breaking bug (it messes with a pretty important part of his power) ASAP. Maybe it's been in the game for a long time but it rarely happened and patch 2.5.0 ended up increasing its frequency? I was thinking that the devs could planning to buff shock therapy in the very near future and the shadow nerf could be used for testing things out, but then why would you spread it out over multiple patches instead of putting all of the possible Doc changes into one patch? I would think it would make more sense to test everything out all at once.
Hmm I haven't played doc so much since the 2.5.0 patch. But if it has actually gotten worse, I would love if the devs could address this issue or whatever it is. I mean doctor really didn't need a nerf, that's for sure. Not sure if he needs a buff like some people say, but that more so than a nerf.
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@Wolff_Bringer said:
@ad19970 said:
@Orion said:
@venom12784 said:
Yeah but better cause is dbdThis idea is terrible and created a lot of problems for every asymmetrical game that had it. Forcing people to play a role they don't want (or, alternatively, denying them the role they do want) is absurd.
Yeah it's the reason why I lost interest in Last Year: the Nightmare faster than I would have liked to.
Well, if you want to play killer you can vote. I often have games where i ask if i could be the killer and everyone who voted for being killer stopped their vote. So i got killer.
Never had it anytime that they didnt wanted to change.
The community is quite amazing in that game.
Hmm interesting. I'm still thinking of getting it when it releases on steam. My other problem is though that it seems like I'll cause my team quite the disadvantage when not using voice comms, but I really don't want to use voice comms.
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The problem is that some people don't want so much information given to them. Takes away from the horror and I can understand that. Sadly I see no other way to reduce the balance gap between solo and swf survivors.
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@SnakeSound222 said:
It definitely seems like a shadow nerf more than a bug, especially since it was excluded from the 2.5.1 update. I’m honestly not that surprised, considering he does better against new players and we all know what happens when newer Survivors struggle. I'm really hoping it gets undone in the Moonrise patch or in another update. It was an unnecessary nerf that happened because Survivors whined enough. If it's to fix being stunned when you're already on the other side of the vault, then it should be fixed in a different way than straight up nerfing him.Wait it's a nerf in patch 2.5.0? Like I'm pretty sure I've had this problem with Doc since much earlier. Also if it's a nerf, why does it sometimes still work to interrupt a vaulting animation when at the beginning of the animation? It's just sometimes survivors vault even when I shock them before they start vaulting. But not always.
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@Okapi said:
Both nurse and gen times are OP and need to be addressed.
I highly agree with this.
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I mean I'm pretty sure there are multiple people that would not want this at all, but personally I would like that. I always felt like Moris, Ebony Moris in particular just have so much effect on the game and make the killer so much more powerful. Some compensation would be nice though if killers get such powerful tools nerfed. Getting rid of insta heals for example, those are also extremely powerful.
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@Orion said:
@venom12784 said:
Yeah but better cause is dbdThis idea is terrible and created a lot of problems for every asymmetrical game that had it. Forcing people to play a role they don't want (or, alternatively, denying them the role they do want) is absurd.
Yeah it's the reason why I lost interest in Last Year: the Nightmare faster than I would have liked to.
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@Master said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@ad19970 said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@ad19970 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Raccoon said:
Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Are you joking?
Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animationYou can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you
No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly
Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you.
Wahoooooo!
Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally.
Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade.
Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points.
It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding.
Well then how come in the past when i have suggested to nerf unjustified camping and buff leaving the hook, people have attacked me with the good ol' cAmPiNg WaS iNtEnTiOnAl jUsT dOnT gEt CaUgHt
Cause some killers mains want their easier way to get kills kept in the game. As simple as that. Or maybe they fear that when nerfing camping killers will just suffer more from gen rush.
To me it's clear, rewarding non camping killers more and rewarding camping and tunneling campers less is not just a balance improvement, but a fundamental design improvement for the game that improves the experience of both sides for the majority of the player base.Well i totally agree, so i wish people like @master and @Tsulan would stop claiming it's balanced
Nobody claimed that facecamping was balanced.
True. Personally I just want to have not camping be more rewarded so camping is not a necessity, and camping and tunneling less rewarded since it's no fun for survivors and doesn't require as much skill as playing the game normally as killer.
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@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@ad19970 said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@ad19970 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Raccoon said:
Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Are you joking?
Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animationYou can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you
No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly
Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you.
Wahoooooo!
Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally.
Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade.
Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points.
It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding.
Well then how come in the past when i have suggested to nerf unjustified camping and buff leaving the hook, people have attacked me with the good ol' cAmPiNg WaS iNtEnTiOnAl jUsT dOnT gEt CaUgHt
Cause some killers mains want their easier way to get kills kept in the game. As simple as that. Or maybe they fear that when nerfing camping killers will just suffer more from gen rush.
To me it's clear, rewarding non camping killers more and rewarding camping and tunneling campers less is not just a balance improvement, but a fundamental design improvement for the game that improves the experience of both sides for the majority of the player base.Well i totally agree, so i wish people like @master and @Tsulan would stop claiming it's balanced
Yup, though careful with calling it unbalanced. It's not necessarily balanced, but at the same time camping isn't really op. It can be countered, sadly this is one of the things where swf survivors have a big advantage with over solo survivors though.
I think some people don't like it being called op. It's more of a design problem in my opinion. I think this game would just be better designed and generally more fun for both sides, in particular survivors, if they implemented something similar to my suggestions.
In the end devs should try and improve their game regarding what the majority of the playerbase would find fun. If the vast majority said camping is really fun, both killers and survivors, than this wouldn't be a discussion for me, but I doubt that's the case. -
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
The stupid thing is, camping is OP, but only because it's so boring for all the survivors, ironically however, it's also boring for the killer. People say well it works, yeh it works for killing people, but not for getting points, pipping, or having fun. However i also feel that sometimes killers feel they need to do it to secure a kill, which is why i agree with @ad19970 in that there should be a nerf to camping (IF IT'S UNJUSTIFIED) but a buff to leaving the hookThis exactly. I still remember reading the suggestion that survivors that get unhooked should suffer a decerased repair speed for a certain amount of time. Combining that with a slower Bleed Out Speed if the same conditions are met that are defined for the Chaser Emblem to punish camping, and/or showing the killers aura when within a certain range of the hooked survivor, plus maybe a small action speed buff to survivors for every survivor that is dead or dc'd, and the game would definitely be improved in my opinion.
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@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:
@Paddy4583 said: ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said: I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so. Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
I think he’s trying to use the old argument of, it could be worse, in an attempt to negate his previous errors Here the devs define face camping as being within one metre of the hook & facing the survivor, sounds about right tbh. Not "face camping and preventing the hook from being accessible".
Thx honey, now fast forward to 27:00
Oh you mean the bit where he says "now what it stops is the fact that right now if the killer is right infront of someone on the hook there are no ways to unhook" and doesn't mention it stopping facecamping at all.
It's like you enjoy taking things out of context and making up your own.
Theres the link for you so you can listen to your own time stamp and understand he never mentions it stops facecamping.
You can move the goal post again now if you'd like, honey.
Don't worry. I never move the goalpost. Unlike some others...
Let's see, face camping = survivors are unable to unhook, because the prompt doesn't show up.
Now the prompt shows up no matter what, because survivors can unhook from every side. But face camping still exists?So infinites still exist, too? O_o
No, I'm pretty sure face camping is defined as the killer being within a meter of the hooked survivor. At least that's what SenzuDuck said.
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@Raccoon said:
Imagine getting banned over arguing about Face Camping.F
What? Who is getting banned?
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@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@ad19970 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Raccoon said:
Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Are you joking?
Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animationYou can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you
No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly
Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you.
Wahoooooo!
Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally.
Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade.
Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points.
It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding.
Well then how come in the past when i have suggested to nerf unjustified camping and buff leaving the hook, people have attacked me with the good ol' cAmPiNg WaS iNtEnTiOnAl jUsT dOnT gEt CaUgHt
Cause some killers mains want their easier way to get kills kept in the game. As simple as that. Or maybe they fear that when nerfing camping killers will just suffer more from gen rush.
To me it's clear, rewarding non camping killers more and rewarding camping and tunneling campers less is not just a balance improvement, but a fundamental design improvement for the game that improves the experience of both sides for the majority of the player base. -
@SenzuDuck said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Paddy4583 said:
ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said: I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so. Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
I think he’s trying to use the old argument of, it could be worse, in an attempt to negate his previous errors
Here the devs define face camping as being within one metre of the hook & facing the survivor, sounds about right tbh.
Not "face camping and preventing the hook from being accessible".
Thx honey, now fast forward to 27:00
Yeah. What they are saying is that there is now a way to deal with facecamping, and that killers can't block survivors from unhooking totally while face camping. No where do they say that face camping has been removed. It's just not as effective as it was before.
My favourite bit is where he calls me honey acting all proud and cocky without proving a single thing.
I feel like you two need to settle down with your fights anyways, just keep it calm, arguing about different opinions is fine, just don't take it to personally. And I know, honey just sounds stupid in that context anyways.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@ad19970 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Raccoon said:
Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Are you joking?
Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animationYou can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you
No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly
Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you.
Wahoooooo!
Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally.
Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade.
Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points.
It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding.
Oh absolutely, I have no issue with camping, but it's when people complain about it having counters like it's ridiculous.
Borrowed time isn't even a counter, it's a trade
Body Blocking isn't a counter, it's a trade.All the ways thats involve "countering" camping is a trade, you either take damage and someone goes down, if the killer is terrible than they all get away but that's assuming killers are bad which they all aren't.
Yeah that's completely true. I still think it's a simple design flaw to have a strategy that takes so little skill and that is no fun for the opposing side to be potentially quite effective. We're not talking about balance, we're talking about how to design the game better. Sadly some people just make the argument that it's just survivor mains wanting killers to play their way. And that's not the point.
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@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:@Paddy4583 said:
ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said: I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so. Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
I think he’s trying to use the old argument of, it could be worse, in an attempt to negate his previous errors
Here the devs define face camping as being within one metre of the hook & facing the survivor, sounds about right tbh.
Not "face camping and preventing the hook from being accessible".
Thx honey, now fast forward to 27:00
Yeah. What they are saying is that there is now a way to deal with facecamping, and that killers can't block survivors from unhooking totally while face camping. No where do they say that face camping has been removed. It's just not as effective as it was before.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Master said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Raccoon said:
Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Are you joking?
Back in the days you were actually able to secure a kill via camping. Nowadays you cant bodyblock away from the hook while survivors can bodyblock you from the hooking prompt. ALSO, nowdays they got BT, unhook invulnerability, swivel hooks AND the faster unhook animationYou can still just grab the survivor when he tries to unhook right in front of you
No you cant, thanks to bodyblockign and the new unhook animation that you can cancel instantly
Oh my god, multiple survivors just swarming the killer... sounds like you could hit the unhooker twice and OMG have someone else to camp its like playing DBD but the survivors come to you.
Wahoooooo!
Thank you, every time i comment about something killers do unfairly on these forums, i get attacked and told i'm an idiot (even though i play more killer than survivor). Like i get survivors used to be OP and SWF still is but that doesn't mean killers aren't OP in some aspects too. It's nice to see someone actually back me up for once in saying face camping is a low skilled strategy that may work, but it's boring and you only win by boring the survivors to death... literally.
Yea, like his whole argument is based on wanting one particular survivor dead, he doesn't care that if someone does come to save it makes it INCREDIBLY easy to get that person on the hook as a trade.
Killers like that are honestly the worst, they just want the first person they hook dead as soon as possible and doesn't matter if they can hook someone else for more points.
It's because it can be effective. Once one survivor is dead the killer will have more of an advantage. You can not fault people for using a tactic the devs have made viable. It's on the devs to make not camping more rewarding and camping and tunneling less rewarding.
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@Tsulan said:
ad19970 said:@Tsulan said:
I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so.
Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
Yes, just for a short time. Ya know?
I've seen people call a killer face camping when he was at least 40 meters away. But since he dared to look into the direction of the hook...I get that that's bs. But I'm pretty sure OP was talking about those that just camp right in front of the hooked survivor, never leaving him without any reason.
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@Tsulan said:
I really wish that the devs would reverse the swivel hooks for a month or so.Wait, you mean so that the old face camping is possible again?
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I mean I play more killer as well and I'd like to see some solo survivor only buffs as well. But only alongside some killer buffs, with the exception of top tier killers, which are in my eyes Nurse, Billy, Spirit and Hag.
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Sounds like a good idea, but I feel like totems is a little much, will just make Hex: totems that spawn near a gen even easier to find. I'd actually increase the range a bit but get rid of totems.
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@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@ad19970 said:
@Tsulan said:
ReneAensland said:@Tsulan said:
Raccoon said:
Tsulan said: ReneAensland said: @Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
@Tsulan said: ReneAensland said:
30 minutes ago. 2 minute video proving Face Camping exists. It's Toxic. And Baby killers DC just like DS users. faCe cAmpiNg wAs reMovEd doNt geT caUghT iTs thE suRvivOrs faUlt
Unhooked = no face camping. lol OooOoOOoooookay. Whatever you say buddy.
Want a dev stream where the devs explain what face camping was and how they removed it? lol No thanks, I don't want to be told what's Face Camping and what isn't by Rank 20 Devs. Thanks though. Oh really? What a surprise! You claim something, I disapprove, want to give you solid facts, and it's suddenly not interesting anymore. Yeah it's hard to face the truth after telling bullshit. His feelings and randomly capitalized letters were no match for you! I even searched the video and prepared everything to crush his dreams...
sigh
You're [BAD WORD] hilarious.
Reading this entire comment section is a breath of fresh air, but I'm guessing people like you have to be in the opposition even though a crap ton of people in this comment section agreed with the OP.
"I think you just got to be in the "out" group. Whoever's on top, whoever's in power, whoever's successful, you gotta be on the other side or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room. All you are, my dear, is a contrarian."
This defines people like yourself.
You forgot the people that agreed with me.
You can call a dog a "cat" as often as you want. But it will still be a dog.
Why on gods earth are you two even discussing the definition of a word? Like what kind of time waste is that? Who cares what exactly facecamping has meant back then, and what OP means with facecamping and if he is using the wrong term. I think it's pretty obvious that with facecamping OP means a killer that is camping a hooked survivor, standing right by him and not leaving the hook. Who cares if this isn't actually facecamping? Especially since the removal of facecamping didn't change a lot anyways. Doesn't really have anything to do what the OP was getting at.
Thank you for shutting up this ridiculous argument
Couldn't even believe what I was reading there