Outland
Outland
About
- Username
- Outland
- Joined
- Visits
- 0
- Last Active
- —
Comments
-
@Nickenzie said:
Outland said:This game has always said that game play is up to the player. Do you work with the team and work at escaping. Or do you play more solo, hiding and allowing the others to do the work.
I do not have to out run the Killer, I just have to out run you applies. Sandbagging is a thing and if that's how you want to play that's your right.
Now after watching the latest Q&A, they say they are looking at punishing unsafe unhooks. This goes against the freedom of playing scummy. If its down to me and you and I want to unhook you so that hopefully you go down again quicker, and let the hatch spawn so I can get out that should be a option.
How many people have just waited while the second last guy struggles and dies so you can grab the hatch. Loads of us have.
Like real life the game is filled with lots of personality types, the work together types and the let the world burn just so long as I escape types. I do not think that survivors that are in it for themselves should be punished point wise for being "that guy".
When it comes down to it, if the game only let one person leave a match, we would all be cut-throat. Why do we need to punish people who don't wish to play "for the team"?
Have you been on the receiving end of being farmed? I'm just going let that sink in for a second.
I have, and believe it or not, I'm fine with it. I re-up and play again, and maybe this time I don't get hooked. And the changes aren't going to stop you getting farmed by these people. It just means they are punished for playing one of the ways that is supposed to be allowed.
Are they going to start giving out point reductions for sandbagging, and other questionable survivor antics? How about they get reductions for dropping a pallet outside of heart beat?
Let people play the game their way. I for one do not think taking away points from survivors that are in it to win it for themselves is the right thing to do.
-
That >> should be coded the other way around. Chat should be OFF by default and you should need to turn it on, if you are a masochist.
-
The absolute best thing about consoles is there is no end game chat. Its good for nothing , and is always filled with hate. Please do not add it to consoles.
-
@DepravedKiller said:
When the Killer camps a Survivor then i camp the Killer....When a Killer camps a survivor, the correct response is to GO DO GENS!!. If you hang around the Killer you are making the camp pay off, and reinforcing the behaviour.
-
In this situation I would have just shot them the following Message
"Good luck in the Fog"
It's not obnoxious and it is a positive message without sounding condescending.
-
is it all Tinkerer or only Tinkerer 2?
-
@AshleyWB said:
Let killer close hatch.Hatch reopens on gen a single generator repair.
Can be closed again.
Makeshift key spawns in basement which can be used only once to open the hatch.
Aura of last survivor revealed after 30 seconds of not working gen, searching chest, other action. Aura is obscured when within 42 meters of killer.
I like the idea of a key hanging up in the basement which makes end game more frantic and gives another option so killer can't camp the things that need to be done and implement balance into the end game phase.
How many times have we seen the hatch spawn in the shack, where the basement is? EZ CAMP
-
@RemoveSWF said:
@Outland said:
In the real world running around spouting off hate speech, in the wrong areas will get you Killed. So how about people don't run their mouths if they would never say the same things in person?Internet created a bunch of keyboard warriors (kinda like yourself), that would never say the things they type because they'd get a healthy dose of street justice.
Me personally you can spout off anything you like at me, I just don't give a f' , but others have their right to exist where people are not allowed to spew forth the most vile things imaginable, why because they can't be found.
Exactly
-
@RemoveSWF said:
@Outland said:
@RemoveSWF said:
Sticks and stones.That isn't even a bad insult, just get over it.
Its akin to hate speech and racism. And again you have no right to tell anyone, what they do not have a right to get offended at.
I have the right to tell anybody anything I want. If you're getting offended by one word, you're an easily triggered little baby.
How do you people survive in the real world? You can't call the police everytime somebody insults you irl.
Just stop being pussies.
Again you take the conversation into name calling and belittling. Its clear that you haven't grown up yet. Come back when you are maybe 30. And if you are older then 30, you should be ashamed of yourself.
In the real world running around spouting off hate speech, in the wrong areas will get you Killed. So how about people don't run their mouths if they would never say the same things in person?
Internet created a bunch of keyboard warriors (kinda like yourself), that would never say the things they type because they'd get a healthy dose of street justice.
Me personally you can spout off anything you like at me, I just don't give a f' , but others have their right to exist where people are not allowed to spew forth the most vile things imaginable, why because they can't be found.
Its on the owners of a forum or game to make sure that the forum or game is a place where that kind of thing is not tolerated. And toxic pieces of crap are banned out so they can go hang somewhere else with the rest of societies garbage. Maybe if they can't play any of their favourite games, they might realize that that issue lies within themselves and change.
-
@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:
@Outland said:
@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:
@AsePlayer said:
@Why_Are_You_Salty said:
Just stop I'm sick of seeing salty survivor mains upset because the devs are nerfing survivors too much. All they're doing is making it fair for the killer half of you rely on crutches to get out such as DS and other OP perks well think about what that does to the killer. It makes them want to rage quit and smash something if they're bullied by toxic SWF and anyone in general. This game has been going in the right direction ever since BHVR broke away from Starbreeze. As someone who plays both killer and survivor when I play survivor do I like the changes maybe not, but do I agree with them yes everyone should have fun in this game. The only thing I think should be adjusted after the DS and Hatch nerf is the flashlights or addons for the flashlight. Survivors shouldn't have an extra chance unless they're bad at the game.Git gud.
Also Killers have their crutches too, but you seem to only want to focus on the survivor ones. Totally not biased I see.
I know right! There's BBQ and Chili, and NOED, and...
uh...
and...
um...BBQ and Chili... you mean the perk designed to get Killers to not camp and give incentive to chase others. That BBQ and Chili? The solution to the problem that survivors were constantly complaining was an issue and still do to this day. and Read above for NOED.
I know, I know, I'm just saying those are the closest things Killers got to a crutch.
Sorry man, I misread the tone of your post, Cheers!!
-
@RemoveSWF said:
Sticks and stones.That isn't even a bad insult, just get over it.
Its akin to hate speech and racism. And again you have no right to tell anyone, what they do not have a right to get offended at.
-
@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:
@AsePlayer said:
@Why_Are_You_Salty said:
Just stop I'm sick of seeing salty survivor mains upset because the devs are nerfing survivors too much. All they're doing is making it fair for the killer half of you rely on crutches to get out such as DS and other OP perks well think about what that does to the killer. It makes them want to rage quit and smash something if they're bullied by toxic SWF and anyone in general. This game has been going in the right direction ever since BHVR broke away from Starbreeze. As someone who plays both killer and survivor when I play survivor do I like the changes maybe not, but do I agree with them yes everyone should have fun in this game. The only thing I think should be adjusted after the DS and Hatch nerf is the flashlights or addons for the flashlight. Survivors shouldn't have an extra chance unless they're bad at the game.Git gud.
Also Killers have their crutches too, but you seem to only want to focus on the survivor ones. Totally not biased I see.
I know right! There's BBQ and Chili, and NOED, and...
uh...
and...
um...BBQ and Chili... you mean the perk designed to get Killers to not camp and give incentive to chase others. That BBQ and Chili? The solution to the problem that survivors were constantly complaining was an issue and still do to this day. and Read above for NOED.
-
@AsePlayer said:
@Doom_Punk said:
@AsePlayer said:
@Why_Are_You_Salty said:
Just stop I'm sick of seeing salty survivor mains upset because the devs are nerfing survivors too much. All they're doing is making it fair for the killer half of you rely on crutches to get out such as DS and other OP perks well think about what that does to the killer. It makes them want to rage quit and smash something if they're bullied by toxic SWF and anyone in general. This game has been going in the right direction ever since BHVR broke away from Starbreeze. As someone who plays both killer and survivor when I play survivor do I like the changes maybe not, but do I agree with them yes everyone should have fun in this game. The only thing I think should be adjusted after the DS and Hatch nerf is the flashlights or addons for the flashlight. Survivors shouldn't have an extra chance unless they're bad at the game.Git gud.
Also Killers have their crutches too, but you seem to only want to focus on the survivor ones. Totally not biased I see.
Lol, no Killer perk is as good as the Survivor perks are.
Feel free to list any Killer perk that's a 'crutch' and I will shoot them down. Go on, I dare you to.
NoED.
Noed is not a crutch, it is a gamble. They stake a perk slot for the majority of the game for a payout at endgame. No one ever remembers that a Killer running NOED is only running three perks to battle the first part of the game.
So no its not a crutch, its a calculated risk. Survivors are the ones that allow NOED to be a thing. If they would slow down their gen rushing and pop a few totems then NOED never manifest.
NOED has also been twice nerfed into its current state, get over the damn perk already. You know it exists and you know how to stop it, its on survivors to look for those totems during the match.
-
@only1biggs said:
@Outland said:
@only1biggs said:
@thomasnut said:
I also need to add these comments were made in the game chat window after the match, not in my stream. This behavior needs to be addressed and these people removed from the player base.Just leave the game after. You are not being forced to read it
That is a solution to the symptom, but how about we fix the damn problem instead of letting these little pissants do what ever the hell they please?
They aren't breaking any laws by insulting people.
Get a grip.
Death threats are in fact Illegal, how about you get a clue?
Why are you ALWAYS so confrontational? How about you stop telling people how to feel and act, and maybe just mind your own business if you haven't got anything to say that is in fact a helpful solution to the topic?
-
@only1biggs said:
@thomasnut said:
I also need to add these comments were made in the game chat window after the match, not in my stream. This behavior needs to be addressed and these people removed from the player base.Just leave the game after. You are not being forced to read it
That is a solution to the symptom, but how about we fix the damn problem instead of letting these little pissants do what ever the hell they please?
-
Seems to me there have been a crap ton of Survivor mains bragging that they can reach Rank 1 without using any perks at all. So a Nerf to exhaustion should mean next to nothing.
It is possible to play the game and have fun without perks, so a change that limits the use you can get out of a perk shouldn't make the game any less playable.
I'm sure survivors will adapt in no time and start using thier perks to actually lose the Killer and go hide, not loop forever. Leg it out guys, you can do it.
-
@Salty_Pearl said:
Now I know this sounds really stupid to ask because it's a buff, but am I the only one who thinks it's too fast? I mean I wouldn't mind a slight decrease in time, but 3 seconds is a lot.In a game where minutes count. Lets do a bit of math.
If a Killer plays the way Survivor wants and Hooks everyone 3 times.
Thats 4 survivors x 3 hooks = 12 Pick ups.
Before Changes
4.3 second per pick up = 51.6 seconds
lets pick an average game time of 7 mins.
7 * 60 = 420 seconds
51.6/420*100 = 12.29%
With changes
3 seconds per pick up = 36 seconds
36/420*100 = 8.57%
So before the changes Killers wasted 12% of their game time just picking people up off the ground. Now they waste less then 9% of their time.
3% doesn't seem like much but, but it helps.
On shorter games those percentages raise considerably.
-
@Someissues said:
They just need to fix Killers dodging lobbies, make it a bannable offense so people can't dodge flashlights / toolboxesI always find killers who dodge lobbies for solo players like me disgusting
I'm sure that Killers also dodge for crap connections.
-
Of course a-holes will find a way to troll. Cheers to you for refusing to partake!
-
@Someissues said:
Hopefully, the Claudette report the Killer to get him banned using his own evidence, once a survivor found the hatch it's mandatory for the killer to let him go if he is not then he is holding the game's hostageWHAT?????? LOLZ
The Killer is doing all that he can do, kill the Survivor. The survivor however has other things he could have been doing, like a gen and then the doors.But really this situation should not happen. They need to find a way to make these endgame stalemates into something else.
-
There might have been a slight bias in this thinking.
-
Lets wait and see if this becomes an issue. If it does I'm sure they will have an option for new players to bypass the learning levels. At least it is then their own choice to enter the slaughter grounds.
-
The Killer seeing the survivors and not vice versa, is purposely designed that way.
-
@fcc2014 said:
@EpicFailTryHard said:
...is that my face hurts from smiling so hard for so long. omg. this is it. killers are formidable again. i am so happy that my eyeballs are literally crossed. i am typing this with one eye closed.until 3 days from now when survivors adapt and you make 10 posts about getting wrecked. I know you derank a lot. Which side of the coin did your killer land on 20-16 or 15-1?
Deranking down to 15 now is as far as you can go. And you are right, survivors will adapt. Are you saying that they will go back to wrecking Killers wholesale, and need more nerfs? Because that's what it sounds like you are pushing for.
-
@jiminie said:
I'm not trolling, not even trying to, ya good and mighty killers can enjoy your small little game, lobbies time already gone up because devs tryin' to babysit so called 'killers' who got terrified for so long with all the unfair advantages survivors had, so sad, i guess you went through a really hard time getting blinded and outrunned to hell and back, not stretching this even longer, have fun in your soon empty lobbies
Que times have gone up because they actually gave some love to the Killer side, so everyone is wanting to try them out. The same thing happens when they release a new DLC. If que times have gotten slower its because people are EXCITED over these changes, and want to try them out, not because they hate the exhaustion thing and are quitting like a suck.
-
Steam had no interest in licensing their character to the consoles. You got the perks, but unfortunately you'll never see Bill on anything but a PC.
-
@serabeth90 said:
@Orion said:
Survivors will often report you for anything they can think of, but only a handful of things are actually against the rules:- Farming with one or more Survivors.
- Hacking/Cheating/Exploiting.
- Post-game chat abuse (death threats, racial slurs, and so on).
- Holding the game hostage.
You cannot be reported for camping, "tunneling", slugging (letting Survivors bleed out), or any other strategy.
My best advice, if you're going to play Killer, is to ignore anything Survivors say, make your profile comments only open to friends, and play however you want.
Thanks, this makes me feel better. I have never done any of the things on that list. I was just so confused as to what could be reportable; it was very obvious that the only reason I was winning so easily was because 2 of 4 people quit right in the beginning. The only thing I could think of was maybe they didn't know that getting hit with shock therapy makes you unable to vault windows or pallets, because both of the 2 remaining tried at some point to vault after getting shocked and couldn't. So I didn't want there to be any kind of record on my account just because people didn't understand mechanics (if that was why they reported me).
Before I started playing, I watched a bunch of guides so I know that camping is generally frowned upon, and that's fine with me because I'm pretty ADHD so after about 3 seconds of standing there, I get bored and try to find more people, but sometimes it's my only option. Like when I haven't gotten a kill all match, the exit gates go up and I have someone hooked so far away from them that there's no way I would reach either exit gate before they opened them and then stood in the entry way taunting me and healing each other while someone else ran behind me to go get the survivor on a hook. So I stand there and guard the one and let the other 3 leave so I at least get some points to level up lol :P.
But yeah, good to know camping is not against the rules (not that I really want to do that while generators are still up since it's not fun that way), since I've been accused of that at times. Each time though, I wasn't really camping that person -- they were just always there and in front of me and not really stealthy so I hit the easiest target.
Edit: I'm starting to think I should just leave immediately after a match is done, too. People have mostly been pretty mean. If I didn't get any kills, they tell me how bad I am and if I did really well, they say I was a camper or a tunneler.
Yeah just punch the leave button asap, it'll save you stress.
-
@Outland While you may not have said you agree with it, you implied you'd be okay with a hack.
Unless and until the devs call it cheating it won't be cheating that's the end all and be all of voice and swf.As far as wanting balance we can all agree on that and that overall killers need more. I've posted many suggesting on how to buff killers versus swf while not nuking the solo queue players. Most of the suggestions that I've seen from those asking for opt outs and or buffs versus swf would be broken towards solo players.
I play swf to have fun and laugh and cringe when we do good and bad as do my friends. If we get outplayed we congratulate the killer if we do the outplay we still say gg and talk about times we almost got caught. Most groups are like that, it's the fringes that cause the most issue.
My side isn't about keeping an advantage but finding a common ground that most of both sides can agree too. Your problem and a big chunk of the rest of you is you lumo everyone into the same group and use the same insults etc.
I want killers to be more powerful but I also don't want them to be so powerful they insta gib pretty much every rank group. That's especially true for the low ranks where high rank killers after reset take out their frustration and be jerks to newbies thereby making some of said newbies toxic at higher ranks.
When I'm playing at low ranks after a reset and I run into brand new or inexperienced players i try and teach them how to play better. I don't camp ever, I punish the bad mistakes but try and let them learn from it. I'll still down and hook them of course. I've been complimented after most of my games for being cool and not being a jerk.
On occasion I've run into more experienced players who I played against and who remembered me from 2 seasons ago and they were thankful for howe i played. I've even played with some on survivor side and met some cool people that I know play swf with on occasion.
I believe that if the opt out people stop with the histrionics and the insults and post pro's and cons of their ideas they'll find a much more receptive audience.
Read the below where I break a lot of conversations down and go through both pro's and cons and how to mitigate if possible any problems.
Now this post I like, good points and counter points, as well as showing you understand that the Killer is currently getting a short stick. And that changes are needed. I totally agree with you on these points.
What gets my back up in these conversations, is the "WELL THIS IS THE WAY IT IS, GET GUD AND ADAPT" And then the conversation boils down to the basics about the absolute cause of the imbalances. (You and I have been over them so we'll leave that dog lie)
Here's hoping they can balance the game somehow so that all sides are happy.
-
@powerbats said:
@Outland said:
And you keep using that advantage over other players, cause that is legit. Killers play by the rules designed into their actual game, and you use third party software to CHEAT.
And if they gave Killers an option to play your version of legit or skip it, they would always skip it because when it boils down, its not fair.
Blah blah blah , adapt, I'll dodge everything that looks fishy. I don't have a lot of time to play. I'm sure as hell not going to let opponents that are using other software to make my game less fun in my lobbies.
You want to pray that someone doesn't come up with a utility that can rat out SWF groups, because if that ever lands....your version of legit is so gone.
You can keep on whining all you want IT'S NOT CHEATING the devs have said it, it's not listed as a cheating program and nothing you say will change that fact. I could care less if someone knows it's a swf group or not you just want to use that as an excuse.
As the other killer mains on here have said, they don't have a problem and they adapt. The only thing doing is proving what the other killers mains and the survivors mains are saying. You're just looking for excuses because you refuse to adapt and get better.
You want to dodge lobbies go ahead and keep doing that, it won't change anything all except prove what's been said. If someone comes up with a software to rat out swf wouldn't that amount to cheating as you call it? Since the devs have said swf isn't cheating either yet you'd be fine with a rat out software.
So you just proved you're a total and complete whiny hypocrite since you'd be fine with someone using a hacking program to detect swf groups. Since the only way to do that is to scan the games memory and or program illegitimately which is in fact hacking aka cheating.
I never said that I would be fine with it, I used it as an example of Killers tolerance for the comms advantage. If it was as easy as running a third party software to remove that advantage. They would use it. And you wouldn't have a leg to stand on to complain. Since you would also be using a third party software to get that advantage in the first place. And who said the magical piece of software would touch game files? You immediately decided it would be cheating, even though it might have only been doing some network checking.
A while back some Russian players figured out how to use an application to monitor their net traffic, and were dc'ing SWF members upon load in. This piece of software didn't touch any files of the game , it only monitored traffic on their own machine, which is perfectly legal. And then upon load up they'd kill a connection.
Shady as hell, and SWF groups lost their minds. I do not condone that either, but it is an example of being able to rid ourselves of SWF on another level.
I don't even play much anymore, and when I do play its usually Survivor, and yeah I even use SWF with comms. The only difference between you and me , is I know its a scummy thing to do. But if it were removed I wouldn't miss it because after all in my eyes its not fair.
You on the other hand seem to think that its fine and dandy to take a step over the Killers and they should just learn to play better to overcome the advantage you have. Yet when I mention things that would be even in scope to effect the survivor side you lose your mind.
Who's the hypocrite? To you some things are fine for the survivor side, and not for the Killer side even though they would have the same effect.
And again if BHVR would send one simple email to EAC and tell them to go ahead and Whitelist Discord, and confusion would be finished. We would have a definitive answer. How hard is one email to send?
You and I can go back and forth. You say that BHVR has said its not cheating. And you are right, I seem to recall someone maybe a mod or something saying that it is not cheating, maybe even on the streams?
But what are they supposed to say? It is cheating, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it! What kind of a statement would that be for a developer to say about their product? It reeks of ineptitude. The total lack of control over voice capabilities FORCES them to say its not cheating or risk looking like dolts.
But I say that if they were truly 100% behind survivors using comms, then they would have gone ahead and whitelisted Discord. I tend to believe that they do not whitelist Discord because if it ever becomes possible for EAC to detect and act upon comms. It will become something that BHVR would want to eliminate from their game.
I might be wrong, I understand that. I also see the blatant advantage and know its not fair, to just tell Killers to get better to overcome it.
And any survivor should know that sure SWF is fun and comms makes the game a breeze. But that is coming at the expense of average players fun. Killers are now forced to become above average, and not everyone has that in them. So I guess they just have to accept the trouncing, or switch sides, which is bad for everyone.
One it bloats the survivor side, and two it reduces Killer population making que times rise. For every Killer that switches sides we need 2 killers to start playing in order to make up the lost ground.
Thanks for the fancy picture, but I feel far from owned.
All of my points are related to keeping the game balanced for both our SWF groups and our Killers. Where as your side is all about Survivors keeping their massive advantage and Killers just eating a crap sandwich and adapting. I'm glad to see you are willing to compromise to make things better for the game as a whole.
-
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
From the description of a PARMA BAN offense.Only the lactose intolerant should have parmabans.
lolz that typo though
-
@powerbats said:
@Outland said:
From the description of a PARMA BAN offense.
Any third party software that is not whitelisted and affords an advantage over another player.
This is Discord dead on. If Discord is cool, then whitelist it, it'll take one email to EAC to have it added to the list. And I'll shut up about it.
So by BHVR's own documents, its cheating my man. It would be SO easy for BHVR to pull the trigger and whitelist Discord, ask yourself why they don't.
Devs have stated it's not cheating and the fact you can't accept the fact they don't care to change the parma doc or whitelist it is on you. It doesn't matter what you say or how you try and word it or twist it. It's not cheating because the devs have said it isn't cheating.
When they says it's cheating and only when they say it's cheating will it be cheating an because they've said it isn't cheating you'll keep on using that a sa crutch excuse. Bt go ahead and keep on using that lame excuse for yours and the other killers that refuse to adapt or change in any way shape or form.
And you keep using that advantage over other players, cause that is legit. Killers play by the rules designed into their actual game, and you use third party software to CHEAT.
And if they gave Killers an option to play your version of legit or skip it, they would always skip it because when it boils down, its not fair.
Blah blah blah , adapt, I'll dodge everything that looks fishy. I don't have a lot of time to play. I'm sure as hell not going to let opponents that are using other software to make my game less fun in my lobbies.
You want to pray that someone doesn't come up with a utility that can rat out SWF groups, because if that ever lands....your version of legit is so gone.
-
@powerbats said:
@Outland said:
@powerbats said:
@Outland said:
The communication and wall hacks was an exact match. As in they both give their respective users the same advantage. You know where the Killer is and what he is doing , just like he knows where you are and what you are doing.
The comparison wasn't an example of cheating, it was just an example of the type of advantage that survivors are gaining while using communication.
One does not equal the other in any way shape or form and all you killers whining about it being cheating refuse to accept actual facts. The devs have already said it's not cheating so get over yourselves.
When they whitelist Discord, its not cheating, until then. Yep it is.
And comms gives the survivors the ability to relay the exact location and current activity of the Killer. And Wall Hacks gives the exact location and activity of the survivors. Seems pretty darn even to me, but you are looking to argue so yeah they are not anything alike.
Because communications also gives away totem placements, and trap locations, so yeah you are right communications is not like wall hacks, its worse.
But the devs have stated it's not cheating so your arguments are still invalid like all the others that claim using voice is cheating. One is modifying game files directly and or modifying the memory while the other does neither. When the devs say using voice is cheating you can call it cheating, but until then it's not.
From the description of a PERMA BAN offense.
Any third party software that is not whitelisted and affords an advantage over another player.
This is Discord dead on. If Discord is cool, then whitelist it, it'll take one email to EAC to have it added to the list. And I'll shut up about it.
So by BHVR's own documents, its cheating my man. It would be SO easy for BHVR to pull the trigger and whitelist Discord, ask yourself why they don't.
-
The exhaustion perks are being limited to one use per chase. That is all that's happening here. Once you have ditched the Killer take a sneak break, you can do it. You know adapt like you keep telling us Killers
-
I've had many a response to posts go missing. I make my response, and post it, then upon reading it I find spelling mistakes, and edit it. And once I try to save it, the whole thing is gone.
I've taken to refreshing the page in between edits to make sure.
But yeah there definitely seems to be a bug with the editing system.
-
@PinkEricka said:
Outland said:@PinkEricka said:
Outland said:
@PinkEricka said: Envees said:
@PinkEricka said: I agree that it’s ridiculous. It’s sad that a lot of killers on here are expecting an easy win handed to them... and they call us survivors “entitled”. lol. On the plus side, I understand the killers are whining about balance issue fixes but they’re asking for way too many bogus things all because of trolling swf groups. When %70 of games start with at least 2 SWF then you know that in 7 out of 10 games there are 2 swf who are possibly cheating and communicating in a game meant to have none. Dont try to sound like SWF are a rare occasion. The other %30 are 3 or more swf with the odd solo like me thrown in so survs dont have to wait too long for a game. It’s not cheating if it’s allowed. ALL the survivors are working as a team to escape so what’s wrong with communication?
Killers are whining about the removal of SWF because they don’t like survivors communicating with each other... like I said, they want an easy win handed to them. I.E giving a crying toddler a piece of candy so they can shut up. Well I tried to leave this thread alone, and then I found this piece of dribble. Communication is NOT ALLOWED, it just something that BHVR are powerless to stop. If BHVR condoned Discord it would be one of the Third Party Software's that are on the WhiteList. And my friend IT IS NOT. So you keep telling yourself you aren't cheating, you know full well that the advantage you gain from communications is not a legit part of the game. Killers do not want Easy Wins, we want the game to be balanced, where everyone plays by the rules actually designed into the game. SWF is fine, and we have nothing against playing SWF groups, we get it playing with friends is fun. But we do not like when you stack the deck even further by using communications and taking all sorts of free information that actually ruins the fun of the Killer. So lets try this scenario, perhaps if playing a SWF, Killers were given free wall hacks on the SWF members? That way they have the same advantage that communications is giving you? Would that be acceptable, or even fun to play against? I'm willing to bet you don't like that scenario in the least, but Killers are supposed to just accept that kind of disadvantage? Have the devs ever spoken out about it being against the rules? They seem pretty okay with it to me. What’s the point in even playing SWF if you can’t talk to your friend while you’re doing it? If it’s like that, you mind as well just go back to lobby hopping in order to get in the same lobby as your friend. From what I’m seeing, killers keep whining about how they’re REALLY WEAK when they’re not. Yes, we all acknowledge that killers need to be buffed but it’s getting too pathetic that they keep asking for almost all of our perks to be nerfed and how SWF is cancer. I know that it’s not every killer but Jesus Christ, I’ve seen multiple killer threads with mostly LF avatars about how survivors are too powerful, they should’nt be able to escape, and how they should easily be able to get 4K each game... That’s NOT balanced, that’s just weighing the scale heavily more on the killers side.
By the way, Wall hacking and communication is a bad example of “cheating”. Those are two different things. If they’re complaining about communication with SWF then guess what? GIT GUD. I’ve seen plenty of killers win games against SWF. However, I do believe they should force a spectate mode/leave instead of revealing all the killers perks and add-ons..
The communication and wall hacks was an exact match. As in they both give their respective users the same advantage. You know where the Killer is and what he is doing , just like he knows where you are and what you are doing.
The comparison wasn't an example of cheating, it was just an example of the type of advantage that survivors are gaining while using communication.
Oh, I apologize then.
All cool
-
@powerbats said:
@Outland said:
The communication and wall hacks was an exact match. As in they both give their respective users the same advantage. You know where the Killer is and what he is doing , just like he knows where you are and what you are doing.
The comparison wasn't an example of cheating, it was just an example of the type of advantage that survivors are gaining while using communication.
One does not equal the other in any way shape or form and all you killers whining about it being cheating refuse to accept actual facts. The devs have already said it's not cheating so get over yourselves.
When they whitelist Discord, its not cheating, until then. Yep it is.
And comms gives the survivors the ability to relay the exact location and current activity of the Killer. And Wall Hacks gives the exact location and activity of the survivors. Seems pretty darn even to me, but you are looking to argue so yeah they are not anything alike.
Because communications also gives away totem placements, and trap locations, so yeah you are right communications is not like wall hacks, its worse.
-
@PinkEricka said:
Outland said:@PinkEricka said:
Envees said:
@PinkEricka said: I agree that it’s ridiculous. It’s sad that a lot of killers on here are expecting an easy win handed to them... and they call us survivors “entitled”. lol. On the plus side, I understand the killers are whining about balance issue fixes but they’re asking for way too many bogus things all because of trolling swf groups. When %70 of games start with at least 2 SWF then you know that in 7 out of 10 games there are 2 swf who are possibly cheating and communicating in a game meant to have none. Dont try to sound like SWF are a rare occasion. The other %30 are 3 or more swf with the odd solo like me thrown in so survs dont have to wait too long for a game. It’s not cheating if it’s allowed. ALL the survivors are working as a team to escape so what’s wrong with communication?
Killers are whining about the removal of SWF because they don’t like survivors communicating with each other... like I said, they want an easy win handed to them. I.E giving a crying toddler a piece of candy so they can shut up.
Well I tried to leave this thread alone, and then I found this piece of dribble.
Communication is NOT ALLOWED, it just something that BHVR are powerless to stop. If BHVR condoned Discord it would be one of the Third Party Software's that are on the WhiteList. And my friend IT IS NOT.
So you keep telling yourself you aren't cheating, you know full well that the advantage you gain from communications is not a legit part of the game.
Killers do not want Easy Wins, we want the game to be balanced, where everyone plays by the rules actually designed into the game. SWF is fine, and we have nothing against playing SWF groups, we get it playing with friends is fun. But we do not like when you stack the deck even further by using communications and taking all sorts of free information that actually ruins the fun of the Killer.
So lets try this scenario, perhaps if playing a SWF, Killers were given free wall hacks on the SWF members? That way they have the same advantage that communications is giving you? Would that be acceptable, or even fun to play against?
I'm willing to bet you don't like that scenario in the least, but Killers are supposed to just accept that kind of disadvantage?
Have the devs ever spoken out about it being against the rules? They seem pretty okay with it to me. What’s the point in even playing SWF if you can’t talk to your friend while you’re doing it? If it’s like that, you mind as well just go back to lobby hopping in order to get in the same lobby as your friend.
From what I’m seeing, killers keep whining about how they’re REALLY WEAK when they’re not. Yes, we all acknowledge that killers need to be buffed but it’s getting too pathetic that they keep asking for almost all of our perks to be nerfed and how SWF is cancer.
I know that it’s not every killer but Jesus Christ, I’ve seen multiple killer threads with mostly LF avatars about how survivors are too powerful, they should’nt be able to escape, and how they should easily be able to get 4K each game... That’s NOT balanced, that’s just weighing the scale heavily more on the killers side.
By the way, Wall hacking and communication is a bad example of “cheating”. Those are two different things. If they’re complaining about communication with SWF then guess what? GIT GUD. I’ve seen plenty of killers win games against SWF. However, I do believe they should force a spectate mode/leave instead of revealing all the killers perks and add-ons..
The communication and wall hacks was an exact match. As in they both give their respective users the same advantage. You know where the Killer is and what he is doing , just like he knows where you are and what you are doing.
The comparison wasn't an example of cheating, it was just an example of the type of advantage that survivors are gaining while using communication.
-
@PinkEricka said:
Envees said:@PinkEricka said:
I agree that it’s ridiculous. It’s sad that a lot of killers on here are expecting an easy win handed to them... and they call us survivors “entitled”. lol.
On the plus side, I understand the killers are whining about balance issue fixes but they’re asking for way too many bogus things all because of trolling swf groups.
When %70 of games start with at least 2 SWF then you know that in 7 out of 10 games there are 2 swf who are possibly cheating and communicating in a game meant to have none.
Dont try to sound like SWF are a rare occasion. The other %30 are 3 or more swf with the odd solo like me thrown in so survs dont have to wait too long for a game.
It’s not cheating if it’s allowed. ALL the survivors are working as a team to escape so what’s wrong with communication?
Killers are whining about the removal of SWF because they don’t like survivors communicating with each other... like I said, they want an easy win handed to them. I.E giving a crying toddler a piece of candy so they can shut up.
Well I tried to leave this thread alone, and then I found this piece of dribble.
Communication is NOT ALLOWED, it just something that BHVR are powerless to stop. If BHVR condoned Discord it would be one of the Third Party Software's that are on the WhiteList. And my friend IT IS NOT.
So you keep telling yourself you aren't cheating, you know full well that the advantage you gain from communications is not a legit part of the game.
Killers do not want Easy Wins, we want the game to be balanced, where everyone plays by the rules actually designed into the game. SWF is fine, and we have nothing against playing SWF groups, we get it playing with friends is fun. But we do not like when you stack the deck even further by using communications and taking all sorts of free information that actually ruins the fun of the Killer.
So lets try this scenario, perhaps if playing a SWF, Killers were given free wall hacks on the SWF members? That way they have the same advantage that communications is giving you? Would that be acceptable, or even fun to play against?
I'm willing to bet you don't like that scenario in the least, but Killers are supposed to just accept that kind of disadvantage?
-
It would be interesting to see just what side came out on top.
I do not see the point of making people choose for life, or get another copy. Other then you believe your side would be the winner and the people who sided against you DESERVE to be punished for having the gall to have a different point of view.
I think when some new people try the game they aren't even sure what side they want to play. If you had your way they risk making the wrong choice at the start. Which would be a bad thing, because I doubt they would be willing to purchase a second copy at that point.
-
@JFox said:
Seriously guys, we need to stop this, because we all love the game so why are we always fighting ?
-Yes, SWF can be op but it's not the fault of the players, but the way the game was made
-Yes, Camping is annoying but it's the easiest way to do kills, if the game was totally balanced, camping wouldn't exist
-No, insulting someone at the end of a game or in his steam profile is not ok, particularly if it's just like "ez baby killer" or "without SWF you are #########", this is literally harassement.
I never had so much insults on my steam profile since I have DBD.
We should all do peace guys, and it's not because a famous player is doing one of those thing that you should do it too, the community is a real problem, not since the release of the game, but since streamers and youtubers started to play cancer, most people play like them because they do not think by themself, this need to stop.By the way I'm not a native english speaker so please don't mind mistakes, I have 1k hours on DBD and I play both survivors and killers equally
I agree that SWF is not the fault of the players, and I have no problem with people playing with their friends. I do however dislike that they then add voice cheats to the mix. Which they CAN CONTROL, so that's not how the game was made.
-
@Gunmech04 said:
@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
So basically going by your logic, when we are playing Dead by daylight we shouldn't be allowed to have any program open but the game? Twitch can be used as an advantage if a Killer is streaming and you know about it. You guys just need to give it up, discord isn't going anywhere and neither is SWF.
Hey man, stream sniping is bannable. Lolz
Good to see you got the concept anyways.
If I had cookies to give, you'd get one!
-
@SenzuDuck said:
@Outland said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Baby killers aren't willing to git gud against swf. Suffer or be better - it's easy LULULULULSenzu my friend, we meet again!
Glad to see you and I are still not seeing eye to eye, I caught some of your stream the other day, and dude you seem like a cool guy, but then I come here and catch you basically name calling.
You are better then this, try rewording it so you are not being so confrontational.
Like this,
"Inexperienced Killers are not willing to up their game to deal with obvious advantages afforded SWF. They need to get real good at the game or suffer."
Only here is some thoughts to kick around.
SWF turns 4 average palyers into gods, knowing things they shouldn't know. So average players are allowed to play survivor DbD.
Now to be able to combat these average players turned gods, the Killer is supposed to up their game and become gods too. So there is no room for average player ability Killers.
So its fine to half ass it as survivors meme around and punish any Killer that are less then great game players. But Killers are forced to be pro or suffer?
Anyways man, I hope you start changing your tone in these posts. Cause like I said you seem like a cool guy on stream.
Honestly dude - I play against 4-Man SWFs all day, I don't dodge, I don't complain about items and I certainly don't make 30 threads a day with biased opinions on how OP SWF is or how SWF the nurse is etc etc.
I try to be as unbiased as possible, I play all sides, SWF, Solo, Killer. The simple fact is - no matter which side is currently OP people are going to make these posts constantly complaining, everyone Killer & Survivor need to just get on with it, adapt and get better with the changes.
SWF has been in the game for so long now and if killers haven't gotten used to it and upped their game like I try to then it's just going to constantly be a shitfest on these forums.
And as a streamer I'd expect nothing less. But that also affords you the point of view of someone who had the time to get real good at the game. And most of the people who hit the forums, claiming they never dodge and rarely have problems with SWF are of the same cloth. But as in most games, you guys that are top tier are the exception.
Average players are the majority of any game player base. And Like I said 4 average players come together and become a step above. And the average Killer population, of which there are more of then the pros, get stomped, even though they are supposedly playing the power role.
And the thing about average Killers, they tend to play one or two specific Killers that they either find the style of fun, or are a fan, such as MM, or Freddy. They are rarely skilled enough in all Killers to combat SWF with any regularity, by changing up their Killer.
My point is every game unless its a e-sport should be looking to make the game in the sweet spot for the average player. And in DbD they have NAILED it for survivors. Average players love this game, when playing survivor. But for Killer this game's mechanics and features (SWF) have made it so that average Killers are often outclassed. You shouldn't need to need pro level to combat average counter parts.
Anyways peace bro!
-
@Lowbei said:
or you could just stop being so easily offendedThe point is, we shouldn't have to endure the rantings of the lowest forms of human existence. A setting in the settings page to display or not display end game chat. Will fix this 100%
-
@SenzuDuck said:
Baby killers aren't willing to git gud against swf. Suffer or be better - it's easy LULULULULSenzu my friend, we meet again!
Glad to see you and I are still not seeing eye to eye, I caught some of your stream the other day, and dude you seem like a cool guy, but then I come here and catch you basically name calling.
You are better then this, try rewording it so you are not being so confrontational.
Like this,
"Inexperienced Killers are not willing to up their game to deal with obvious advantages afforded SWF. They need to get real good at the game or suffer."
Only here is some thoughts to kick around.
SWF turns 4 average palyers into gods, knowing things they shouldn't know. So average players are allowed to play survivor DbD.
Now to be able to combat these average players turned gods, the Killer is supposed to up their game and become gods too. So there is no room for average player ability Killers.
So its fine to half ass it as survivors meme around and punish any Killer that are less then great game players. But Killers are forced to be pro or suffer?
Anyways man, I hope you start changing your tone in these posts. Cause like I said you seem like a cool guy on stream.
-
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
Report me
This is your answer to logic?
Well crap, you got me.
-
@powerbats said:
@Outland said:
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
Ok but if someones running discord do you know for a fact they're in group? If you're not BHVR you don't and everytime a solo queue destroys or gets out with 1 or 2 sacs only the killer flames about swf. I did a lot of solo before reset and got to rank 3 and yet killers there would non stop whine about swf even when no one was grouped.
If they got 3-4 sacs it was ez, if they got wrecked it was swf scrubs the ez was while playing Billy or Nurse on Coldwind or Doctor on Gideons. Most of my game sar esolo and I play with lower ranked friends for fun. We still try and win and beat the killer but if we get outplayed we congratulate the killer.
What happens when a solo queue is using Discord to talk to a friend outside of game which I do all the time as do others I know.Oh the system has detected you're using Discord oh noes you get kicked. What about the people who either don't have a mic or it's busted but are in Discord or Skype, or Ventrilo etc?
Do you think that the survivors in game if it was real wouldn't be fing communicating before at the campfire or when they huddle together? It's time you decide you either uninstall the game and quit bitching about it, or keep bitching about it and keep dodging lobbies.
Because eventually those dodges are going to start being punished like most games do, if you keep dodging games you start getting time penalties. Oh and don't give me the forced to swf group crap, I see it happen in solo queue all the time. The killer see's a single flashlight, dodge, 1 flashlight and or 2 tool boxes, dodge. If they see any comp they don't like where they gasp might have to actually work or play a more optimal killer then their favorite they dodge. Don't want to have to take perks to counter what they're bringing, dodge etc ad nauseum.
This am I had 10 straight lobbies dodged because gasp 1 person had a flashlight and or 1 toolbox was there. When I finally got a lobby the killer adapted and chose a more optimal killer with perks to counter what our group was. They got a 4 sac game.
All I see are excuses when you don't actually know if it's a swf group at all and in fact the devs if they ever decided to could post the statistics for all the dodges and how many were swf and what size groups. Did you choose the most optimal killer for the match, did you choose the best items/addons/perks. But more likely you refused because you only wanted to run your favorite killer/perks/items/addons.
Ok, lets take your points one at a time.
BHVR can not detect Discord, and even if they did could, they do not have the right to check that information.
So no BHVR can do nothing about Discord. Lets limit our discussions about the use of Discord to only that of SWF groups. Every other discord communication outside of SWF games, doesn't supply an advantage to the player, and is therefore a non-issue.
Now on to your claiming that if they would talk around the fire IRL. Whelp from the lore, In trial after trial, the survivors retain nothing of their previous ordeals. Actually they sit around that fire until they actually for some unknown reason decide to wander away from it. Upon which they find themselves in another ordeal where they do not know anything or anyone. If they escape they find themselves back at the safety of the fire, until they wander off again. So no they wouldn't be talking because the game was designed as four strangers placed in a match who can either work together or not. Its up to the playstyle of each player.
And as a player of this game since day one, before SWF was even a thing, I reserve the right to keep the game installed and ######### all I want, because that is my right. And yes I'll dodge any SWF I suspect, and if they do finally decide that punishing Killers for lobby dodging deserves timeouts. I'll probably not wait around until the timeout is over, I'll just stop playing and play another game, because being forced into matches where I'm just a joke for a SWF groups to troll is no option. I'm sure a lot of Killers will do the same.
The hardcore Killers will stay, but the que times should be pretty brutal. Because survivor mains do not have the stuff to be a Killer main. They may try it and after getting roflstomped by SWF groups, they will not bother either. So the end result will just be a lot less Killers to provide lobbies.
"All I see are excuses when you don't actually know if it's a swf group at all"
Thanks for making our point here, we DON"T know what is SWF and what isn't. That's why we are asking for the indicator. That way when we get rolled in a match we know it was because we plain old got out played. Not cheated by superior communication and seal team tactics.
But nothing you said at all, makes it ok for SWF groups gain such an advantage over the other players. Other then you feel you are entitled to.
In reality, I KNOW SWF is not going anywhere, but nothing you can say will convince me that advantage that SWF get by using Discord, is cool and above board. IF IT WAS THEN DISCORD WOULD BE WHITE LISTED.
-
@fcc2014 said:
@Outland said:
Killers have adapted to dodging, I'm good with the current system. Only problem is solo que people are getting caught in the crossfire. It's in their best interest for the SWF indicator to become a thing.
Opens up Pandora's box. Maybe they do it but if they do and lobby dodging becomes more prevalent then it is, que times will be a mess and you will have tons of scrub killers looking for solo lobbies. Meanwhile you turn off a portion of your player base with even longer wait times only to get dodged. I played 4 hours as Killer last night i got 3 or 4 swf in almost every lobby. I don't dodge because i don't care about protecting a rank that isn't rewarded. Some people's identity revolves around rank and "winning" the round. All i'm saying is it will cause more problems.
I'm just saying when you get SWF after SWF that are all coordinated, and are good players, being the chump they all abuse gets old very quick. I'm sure we've all had those days where we just want to play a couple rounds, and all that ends up happening is you end up frustrated and not having a good time.
So you either switch to survivor side , or take a break from the game because you are supposed to have fun when playing.
This is bound to happen even with solo players, but it happens a crap ton more when SWF is involved.
-
@Visionmaker said:
@Outland said:
Been over this a hundred times. BHVR can not stop voice comms. And for them to say comms is cheating but we can't stop it just makes them look bad. If they truly considered voice comms as not cheating then they would go ahead and whitelist Discord. But low and behold Discord IS NOT whitelisted.They didn't whitelist Google Chrome and my super sneaky perk googling either.
ARREST ME OFFICER
Point is , third party software that gives an unfair advantage, that isn't on the white list is a perma-ban offense. If you go on only pure logic and yes or no answers you would have to agree.
Discord is
1) A third party piece of software ... true
2) Not on the white list ... true
3) Used by SWF groups to gain a very unfair advantage over another player ... trueBut hey its ok, you just keep on doing what you do and screw the other people, its all good they can just get gud, and you can crutch it up.
-
@fcc2014 said:
@Outland said:
Its funny you just tell the Killer to adapt. Because its people like you who say "Bah if they got rid of SWF, we'd all stop playing" that sure as hell doesn't sound like adapting.
Lots of people play to play with their friends. You can't adapt to that other then to play a game that allows that. Come on use common sense and be reasonable.
Killers have adapted to dodging, I'm good with the current system. Only problem is solo que people are getting caught in the crossfire. It's in their best interest for the SWF indicator to become a thing.