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@PinkEricka said:
Orion said:@PinkEricka said:
@Wolf74 Wretched Shop was never fixed. I still have fun infiniting the Killer daily lol
"Why do I get dodged?"
Killers dodge because if they see too many P3’s, legacy’s, or even half of the same items in their lobbies, it’s “too much of a challenge”
Killers cherry pick till they see survivors dressed like noobs.
You can’t determine a players skill until you get inside the game.
Doubleabusing windows at wretched shop has nothing to do with skill, a monkey could do that.
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Depends, if a survivor gets alot of distance and is good at looping I'll let him bleed out a bit until I can just m2 him down, if I know I can mindgame somebody I won't use M2 to down ppl bust just for finding/the initial hit.
I feel like legion would be much better received by both parties if he had 115% ms so ppl would be actually incentivized to just try to m1, currently m1 only works in specific circumstances or against bad survivors.
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@HeroLives said:
We gave him a new name he’s now known as tunnel me Elmo.sincerly,
survivorsThe tunneling often comes from the fact that as legion you want to hit nearby survivors, so if you catch the unhooker first while the unhooked is still nearby you will tunnel as legion since spreading out those hits is beneficial esp with dirty knives. The unhooked needs to be hit first or lucky that another is nearby else he lands on the hook again lol
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I agree, I tried playing billy again and oh boy does it feel cheap compared to a non-franklins non-moonwalking legion.
EXTREME map presence on anything but lerys.
Instadowns up the ass
Normal Movementspeed.But ppl perceive ######### like billy and nurse as "skilled" and therefore will not yap about them even tho it takes almost no time to get used to them.
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@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:
@Gunmech04 said: MhhBurgers said:
Z@Gunmech04 said: Master said:
@Gunmech04 said: Orion said: @SIlentCetra said: ######### are you even talking about?
You bring in an item.
- Killer dodges.
Killer gets an instant new lobby.
Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.
Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.
Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude.
Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.
Bring a new argument mate
No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge.
LUL nerfed into the ground, how?
Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.
Unhook Invul was introduced.
BT was buffed to oblivion
You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.
The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.
Oh please, Killers got BT destroyed. Killers got mad because Survivors were using BT exactly the way it was meant to be used but since it hurt your poor wittle feelings it got nerfed into the dirt. Killers basically got DS destroyed, you now have 5 million aura reading perks because apparently Killers can't find any Survivors without help. Legion is just 9 kinds of broken due to his abilities and perks, it's no wonder Survivors D/C when they see him. Killers whine and cry until they get what they want. Lobby Dodging is just pathetic. If you seriously can't handle the items Survivors bring then play another damn game and stop making this one worse.
BT got buffed with the Deep Wound change, before that you could usually just follow the survivor till he inevitably went down. If you're talking about the old BT, that ######### was broken beyond belief.
The only aura reading most killers use is Barbecue and yes, in fact, we cannot really find survivors without them unless we LISTEN for them. I don't have a headset so I cannot hear survivor breathing or footsteps which makes it impossible for me to track them without BBQ. Listening is not a skill so I don't give a crap, not everybody has a good headset and I won't buy one for 1 silly indiegame, if the devs made other forms of finding survivors viable then we might talk, auraperks are neccesary now with all the nerfs to sounds that survivors make.
Also who gives a ######### about 5 million aura reading perks if most killers will just use 1 per match, I have never seen more aura reading perks at the same time, most u will see is BBQ&Chilli and MAYBE Bitter Murmur but I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody use BM.
Legion is unanimously one of the worst killers in the game by far, people are still arguing wether it's him or freddy, everybody agrees on this, he takes way to much time to down survivors unless you're using franklins at which point he becomes a worse nurse.
I will continue to dodge 4 toolbox lobbies, they are very rare but if they occur dodging is the least I can do, sometimes I'll just equip franklins on legion, hit them out of their hands then dodge.
I paid for this game so I can do what I want, end of story.
And I bought this game and likewise will do what I want when playing surv and use an item if I damn well please, your lobby dodging ass be damned.
You know, as many killer mains as it pisses off, I may start bringing an item every game. I rarely bring items because I don't wanna waste them, but when killers throw these manchild hissy fits, it really tempts me to bring a toolbox or flashlight EVERY GAME.
Then have fun getting dodged alot, it's not like you have control. We killers do and the devs won't change that (as hillarious as it is giving 20% of the playerbase control over 80% LOL)
Btw your entitlement is showing thinking you can force others to play with you. there's a difference between ppl not wanting to play with others and ppl trying to force others to play with them but that seems to be a hard concept for you ppl.
And YOU can't seem to grasp that you dodging a lobby because a survivor is using an in game item is WRONG.
Newsflash buddy, it wastes your time too. Maybe every surv should start bringing items just to make you cry harder. You have no "power" either, you just think you do because on p2p killer is host. gonna be hilarious when ded servers hit.
I don't care if it's wrong, I'm an alphamale, I do what I want.
Dedicated servers will hit and we will still dodge, nothing will change, the only thing that'll change is that you don't have to reinvite your friends again, congratz you saved 20 seconds.
Most survivors aren't such sweaty tryhards anyways and it approximately takes a dodge like every 5th lobby because some think it's fair to bring 4 items, I'd rather play with ppl who don't take some indiegame where you press like 3 buttons so seriously.
Could I just bring an Ebony Mori to offset the items? Sure I could, but I'd rather let you guys play lobby simulator or outright let you farm iridescent shards for me in a deadly boring game while I eat or watch youtube on my second monitor.
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@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:@Gunmech04 said:
MhhBurgers said:
Z@Gunmech04 said: Master said:
@Gunmech04 said: Orion said:
@SIlentCetra said: ######### are you even talking about?
* You bring in an item.
* Killer dodges.
Killer gets an instant new lobby.
Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.
Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.
Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude.
Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.
Bring a new argument mate
No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge.
LUL nerfed into the ground, how?
Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.
Unhook Invul was introduced.
BT was buffed to oblivion
You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.
The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.
Oh please, Killers got BT destroyed. Killers got mad because Survivors were using BT exactly the way it was meant to be used but since it hurt your poor wittle feelings it got nerfed into the dirt. Killers basically got DS destroyed, you now have 5 million aura reading perks because apparently Killers can't find any Survivors without help. Legion is just 9 kinds of broken due to his abilities and perks, it's no wonder Survivors D/C when they see him. Killers whine and cry until they get what they want. Lobby Dodging is just pathetic. If you seriously can't handle the items Survivors bring then play another damn game and stop making this one worse.
BT got buffed with the Deep Wound change, before that you could usually just follow the survivor till he inevitably went down. If you're talking about the old BT, that ######### was broken beyond belief.
The only aura reading most killers use is Barbecue and yes, in fact, we cannot really find survivors without them unless we LISTEN for them. I don't have a headset so I cannot hear survivor breathing or footsteps which makes it impossible for me to track them without BBQ. Listening is not a skill so I don't give a crap, not everybody has a good headset and I won't buy one for 1 silly indiegame, if the devs made other forms of finding survivors viable then we might talk, auraperks are neccesary now with all the nerfs to sounds that survivors make.
Also who gives a ######### about 5 million aura reading perks if most killers will just use 1 per match, I have never seen more aura reading perks at the same time, most u will see is BBQ&Chilli and MAYBE Bitter Murmur but I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody use BM.
Legion is unanimously one of the worst killers in the game by far, people are still arguing wether it's him or freddy, everybody agrees on this, he takes way to much time to down survivors unless you're using franklins at which point he becomes a worse nurse.
I will continue to dodge 4 toolbox lobbies, they are very rare but if they occur dodging is the least I can do, sometimes I'll just equip franklins on legion, hit them out of their hands then dodge.
I paid for this game so I can do what I want, end of story.
And I bought this game and likewise will do what I want when playing surv and use an item if I damn well please, your lobby dodging ass be damned.
You know, as many killer mains as it pisses off, I may start bringing an item every game. I rarely bring items because I don't wanna waste them, but when killers throw these manchild hissy fits, it really tempts me to bring a toolbox or flashlight EVERY GAME.
Then have fun getting dodged alot, it's not like you have control. We killers do and the devs won't change that (as hillarious as it is giving 20% of the playerbase control over 80% LOL)
Btw your entitlement is showing thinking you can force others to play with you. there's a difference between ppl not wanting to play with others and ppl trying to force others to play with them but that seems to be a hard concept for you ppl.
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@Gunmech04 said:
MhhBurgers said:Z@Gunmech04 said:
Master said:
@Gunmech04 said: Orion said:
@SIlentCetra said: ######### are you even talking about?
* You bring in an item.
Killer dodges.
Killer gets an instant new lobby.
Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.
Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.
Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude.
Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.
Bring a new argument mate
No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge.
LUL nerfed into the ground, how?
Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.
Unhook Invul was introduced.
BT was buffed to oblivion
You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.
The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.
Oh please, Killers got BT destroyed. Killers got mad because Survivors were using BT exactly the way it was meant to be used but since it hurt your poor wittle feelings it got nerfed into the dirt. Killers basically got DS destroyed, you now have 5 million aura reading perks because apparently Killers can't find any Survivors without help. Legion is just 9 kinds of broken due to his abilities and perks, it's no wonder Survivors D/C when they see him. Killers whine and cry until they get what they want. Lobby Dodging is just pathetic. If you seriously can't handle the items Survivors bring then play another damn game and stop making this one worse.
BT got buffed with the Deep Wound change, before that you could usually just follow the survivor till he inevitably went down. If you're talking about the old BT, that ######### was broken beyond belief.
The only aura reading most killers use is Barbecue and yes, in fact, we cannot really find survivors without them unless we LISTEN for them. I don't have a headset so I cannot hear survivor breathing or footsteps which makes it impossible for me to track them without BBQ. Listening is not a skill so I don't give a crap, not everybody has a good headset and I won't buy one for 1 silly indiegame, if the devs made other forms of finding survivors viable then we might talk, auraperks are neccesary now with all the nerfs to sounds that survivors make.
Also who gives a ######### about 5 million aura reading perks if most killers will just use 1 per match, I have never seen more aura reading perks at the same time, most u will see is BBQ&Chilli and MAYBE Bitter Murmur but I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody use BM.Legion is unanimously one of the worst killers in the game by far, people are still arguing wether it's him or freddy, everybody agrees on this, he takes way to much time to down survivors unless you're using franklins at which point he becomes a worse nurse.
I will continue to dodge 4 toolbox lobbies, they are very rare but if they occur dodging is the least I can do, sometimes I'll just equip franklins on legion, hit them out of their hands then dodge.
I paid for this game so I can do what I want, end of story.
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@Gunmech04 said:
Master said:@Gunmech04 said:
Orion said:
@SIlentCetra said: ######### are you even talking about?
You bring in an item.
Killer dodges.
Killer gets an instant new lobby.
Three other survivors get screwed because you decided your feelings of self-righteousness were more important than everyone else's time.
Is that clear enough for you? You're not going to get lobby dodgers to stop dodging items because killers have extremely fast queues. You're not doing anything to help the situation by bringing in items. All you're doing is screwing over other survivors.
Well maybe the cry baby killers need to find a new game if they can't handle someone using tools that are IN the game. Personally, I bring in flashlights just to piss off Killers because I'm sick of their self-righteous, I'm better than you, pampered attitude.
Lobby dodging is a tool that is IN the game aswell.
Bring a new argument mate
No, any idiot with a brain would know that the ability to dodge a lobby is to avoid extremely bad ping, not for you little pansies to run away from any survivor with an item. I NEVER lobby dodge as a Killer because I can deal with the items Survivors bring into the match. It's time for Killers to either nut up or shut up. You've had Survivors nerfed into the ground and you still have to lobby dodge.
LUL nerfed into the ground, how?
Exhaustion changes got unnerfed by removing exhaustion from survivors who get hooked.
Unhook Invul was introduced.
BT was buffed to oblivion
You can still loop the same as before, ######### like rotten fields has still not been fixed, you still have massive safe zones on many maps right next to gens or exit gates.
The only hard nerf was the nerf to selfcare which was LONG overdue due to survivors being able to bodyblock without any consequences.
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survivors who were hooked should have way reduced actionspeed if the devs really wanted us to not tunnel/camp.
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it's annoying but just leave the game and punish him with a pip, that's what I do. Unless you teabagged or played a squadette, then you deserved it.
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@Saint_Ukraine said:
I sort've understand what you're saying, and it might work, but I think it still needs some tinkering.If survivors are within 10-15 metres after hitting them then you stack up damage, otherwise you gain no penalty if nobody is nearby.
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@Scoobie101 said:
@MhhBurgers said:
So a massive nerf to legion? no thanks.It doesn't have to be a Legion nerf. If the percentages were high enough, they could quickly scale into a beast. Like what if each target switch gave 30% and after switching targets 4 times the next Feral Frenzy attack on an injured survivor was a down, but to compensate for such a fast bleedout damage gain they lost significantly more bleedout damage after hitting the same target twice or something along those lines?
The way I play Legion now is to pretty much switch targets as much as possible and chase the survivor I'm on when Frenzy is on CD. After Frenzy is back, I go back to patrolling gens for targets. Unless the survivor I'm chasing messes up during that window and I can M1 them they won't go down, and if I commit to downing them with Feral Frenzy it takes far too long to get all the hits in (unless Frank's) and the gens pop super quickly. As such, I think this rework would overall be a buff because at least then they'd be able to down survivors as a reward for maintaining true to their target switching play style.
Switching targets is the ideal right now but it's VERY unreliable, against a good survivor team that stays spreade out you'd get stomped to #########.
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So a massive nerf to legion? no thanks.
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@HavelmomDaS1 said:
Asking for a new game mode is like asking for Dead by Daylight 2A mobile game was able to give their playerbase an 8v2 mode, why not on PC where stuff like this is probably much easier.
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LOL @ thinking that dedicated servers will influence population numbers hugely.
LoL @ thinking that they will nerf killers even further by not making us able to see items.
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@HeroLives said:
MhhBurgers said:@HeroLives said:
BACKSTABBER said:
@HeroLives said: Killers that can counter looping:
spirit: phasing and fake phasing
clown: bottles legion: what are pallets? billy: nuff said nurse: what’s a loop? hag : well placed traps trapper: well placed traps doctor: shocking till tier 3 madness I’d put him at 50/50 for this really Huntress also 50/50 depending on spot Bc some places aren’t hard to get the hatchet shot in while others are
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pig myers wraith bubba freddy U exaggerate a bit, I would say bill, huntress and maybe doctor cannot counter either so in order the best counters are: legion, nurse, spirit, clown, trapper and hag, nothing else
Billy Bc he can eat through pallets fairly quickly, and has decent movement speed. By the time they try to move to the next pallet insta down them. They can be looped for a bit but not long at all especially if you’re good at mind gaming.
Billy has the same MS as other killers and most of the time catching up with the chainsaw after a pallet does close to nothing.
He chainsaws pallets as fast as you can kick pallets if he at least uses addons, if he doesn't he might as well kick it.
Yeah I was talking about with the addons and the perk that lets you auto break the fourth pallet. The name of it evades me. It’s strong on billy.
Spirit fury works on every killer, I'd even say billy is the least in need of it.
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@TheBean said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Disconnect penalties are already in place and we know that we can disconnect every fourth game. Also dedicated servers won't hide the survivor's loadout, dodging will NEVER be penalized because that would outright kill the game.The current disconnect "penalties" isn't punishment but a reward. Players get rewarded for disconnecting. Lets get that right.
I enjoy killers dodging and the posts that keep coming out from it.
I feel one of the biggest reasons why the Devs haven't dealt with dodging is because of the P2P system and killers being able to choose based on PINGs... but that is about it.
Once dedicated servers come out, they won't really be able to allow killers to use this as an excuse for viewing those in your lobby.
I can't wait till when the Devs crack down on it.
They can't even crack down on current DCers and you think they'll crack down on lobbydodgers, that's cute. The game has a relatively small playerbase, a BIG part of this playerbase is either dodging or DCing, the devs know full well that they'd kill their game in the same way as removing SWF would kill it.
Also dedicated servers or not, the devs already see if you dodge and they could already crack down on it if they wanted.
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@HeroLives said:
BACKSTABBER said:@HeroLives said:
Killers that can counter looping:
spirit: phasing and fake phasing
clown: bottles
legion: what are pallets?
billy: nuff said
nurse: what’s a loop?
hag : well placed traps
trapper: well placed traps
doctor: shocking till tier 3 madness I’d put him at 50/50 for this really
Huntress also 50/50 depending on spot Bc some places aren’t hard to get the hatchet shot in while others are
cant:
pig
myers
wraith
bubba
freddy
U exaggerate a bit, I would say bill, huntress and maybe doctor cannot counter either
so in order the best counters are: legion, nurse, spirit, clown, trapper and hag, nothing else
Billy Bc he can eat through pallets fairly quickly, and has decent movement speed. By the time they try to move to the next pallet insta down them. They can be looped for a bit but not long at all especially if you’re good at mind gaming.
Billy has the same MS as other killers and most of the time catching up with the chainsaw after a pallet does close to nothing.
He chainsaws pallets as fast as you can kick pallets if he at least uses addons, if he doesn't he might as well kick it.
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@SIlentCetra said:
PiiFree said:@SIlentCetra said:
Did you not read my quoted post?
I tired to understand your point since you mentioned "banned for lobby dodging" in the end, while talking about disconnects at first. This made it look like you think Lobby Dodging should actually be bannable, just like disconnecting during the trial.
I should've realized that it was sarcasm as no one would come up with such a ridiculous thing and be honest about it.
Right now lobby dodging shouldn't since there is an actual reason for it; ping. Once ded servers come out it should be, and I can guarentee you it will.
Ppl will just quit the game then and the devs know this, this is why lobby dodging will never be banned. Also there's not a single game that I can think of that bans lobbydodging.
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I also don't see how billy counters loops rofl.
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@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:@SIlentCetra said:
when sed servers hit, y'all gonna be crying so hard and I am gonna laugh my ASS off
Until you realize that killers can still just dodge and DC just the way they used to, the only difference is SWF teams won't have to reinvite again.
It's hilarious that in your minds, it's a cardinal sin for a surv to DC but perfectly okay for a killer to do it.
That's okay, with ded servs usually comes disconnect penalties in games like these. We'll see how much you dodge when you can get banned for it
Disconnect penalties are already in place and we know that we can disconnect every fourth game. Also dedicated servers won't hide the survivor's loadout, dodging will NEVER be penalized because that would outright kill the game.
So yeah, the only thing that dedicated servers will fix is lagswitchers which I don't do anyways so I don't give a crap about it. Maybe we'll get 8v2 mode some time when ded servers hit tho.
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@Coriander said:
Every killer has Bloodlust.Bloodlust is not a viable way to counter looping rofl, by the time you trigger bloodlust you lose the match unless the survivors are derping around or it's just the last 2 left.
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@SIlentCetra said:
when sed servers hit, y'all gonna be crying so hard and I am gonna laugh my ASS offUntil you realize that killers can still just dodge and DC just the way they used to, the only difference is SWF teams won't have to reinvite again.
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Most cannot counter looping, just gotta go for the swing at pallets and route in a way where survivors cannot fastvault windows.
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@Shad03 said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Shad03 said:
@iceman2kx said:
Rework soon, as in the same with Freddy and DS getting a rework soon? If that's the case, we'll be waiting a couple years I guess. I just bought this killer and he's complete garbage. He's even worse than Freddy. It's almost better to just run around the map and not even use his power. Hope this gets fixed soon.DS is getting a rework around the next patch (thank the Entity in all her malevolent power), Freddy will also be getting a rework. I'd suggest you practice with Legion. I got to rank 1 with them and can get at least two kills, sometimes 3 to 4 if I play like a sweaty try hard.
Anyways, I hope the devs do something to give the Legion some love.
You can pip with legion without hooking a single person, I did that during my depip session, the only guy I killed was with rancor because I like to see the animation, it's so violent it gives me a boner. So getting to R1 as legion is not an achievement.
The thing is I've been trying to get to r1 WITHOUT using any of his 'no brain' tactics. I've played like how I always play with any killer, I chase, I stab, I knock down. If I can use his power in a beneficial way for me, then I use it. I go out of my way to kill people.
So it might not be a achievement for you, but for someone like me it is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though :eh:
a "no brain" tactic would be stabbing everytime even if a survivor is out in the open. A nobrain playstyle would be never using his m2
Sometimes it's good to chain your M2 for example at a pallet, if you hit somebody in the open ofc you'd go for the regular m1.
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LF's purple addons suck lol
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Boil Over is a SWF perk, that's why I don't like it.
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@drunky26 said:
MhhBurgers said:@drunky26 said:
No, it makes bad killers get undeserved kills.
Just the other day I was playing solo against a doctor that was chasing one guy for 5 gens, then got 4k at the end cause we all tried to save while no one broke the totem.
It should be completely removed from the game. Same goes for ds.
He didn't get undeserved kills, you didnt cleanse totems and then went altruistic against NOED, you were bad and deserved to die.
Do you realize how stupid you sound?
You could've just exited through the gate, who's stupid. The one going for the save against a NOED killer while the totem is up or chad-solo survivor who never goes altruistic in lategame unless he has BT and there's no NOED.
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@Luigifan64 said:
Kagrenac said:@Luigifan64 said:
Kagrenac said:
I like the second change to BO but it should still be at 25/50/75
Why should the wiggle effect stay at the current stats? Just curious because imo the additional aura block isn’t quite enough to give it that umph.
Honestly it should just block hook auras entirely.
the extra 75% effect is just a commodity that's easily dealt with. I don't think it's that big of a deal to keep it.
While I agree that the perk should just obscure all auras, there would be cries of “This is OP” from newer or boosted killers. Plus the effect of blocking all auras might be too over powered on the two indoor maps that currently exist, but who knows, it might not be. The idea you proposed would make sense to just keep the 75% wiggle effect because of the total obscurity, but the reason I put 100% wiggle effect was to compensate for the killers ability to still see some of the hook auras.
Good luck finding a hook on maps like lerys/haddonfield etc, you are not supposed to get off the shoulder of a killer, the perk is supposed to make it harder not impossible to hook.
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@Peolr said:
Yeah shouldn't have bothered. Too many people that want the bugs to stay. And the devs don't fix any bugs for months either. I'm over it. Nothing but randoms responding stroking themselves because they think they know everythingYou're pretty much a random yourself rofl
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@drunky26 said:
No, it makes bad killers get undeserved kills.Just the other day I was playing solo against a doctor that was chasing one guy for 5 gens, then got 4k at the end cause we all tried to save while no one broke the totem.
It should be completely removed from the game. Same goes for ds.
He didn't get undeserved kills, you didnt cleanse totems and then went altruistic against NOED, you were bad and deserved to die.
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@powerbats said:
@MhhBurgers said:
Killers need something similar to the hatch, imagine the game is very close with only 2 survivors left, instead of going for the hatch they managed to get off the last gen, props to them. What are they greeted with now? NOED. gg.I'm all in favour of giving killers a mechanic that basically gives them a pitty-kill like survivors get when they screw up but snowballing is not fun at all.
When you know your logic is bad yet you keep repeating the same disproven stuff but the survivors don't get a pity anything.
The hatch can only spawn if only 1 survivor is left alive and at least 2 gens have been done and there's no guarantee they'll always get the hatch.
When you screw up you've still got NOED, Mori's, Insta downs oh and you can permanently remove a survivor from the game still. The survivors on the other hand can't remove you from the game the same way, so play better and take your losses like an adult.
Just as you take your wins with pride as an adult you should your losses as well, when you play badly accept it, when you play well accept it.
If you really want the hathc removed then get rid of all aura reading perks of any kind so no Mirror Myers, No All Seeing Eye, No Rules Set #2, no BBQ, No Stridor, No Whispers, No Spies.
Basically no anything that helps you track anymore and once there's one left good luck with the 30-1hr plus hide and seek matches.
When survivors aren't doing at least 3 gens then that's on their part, a killer cannot stop 3 gens from being done unless he's nurse.
Also I'm not saying get rid of the hatch, I think a pitty-mechanic is needed in a game like this, I'm just saying only survivors are getting it while killers are left with a ######### feeling.
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Killers need something similar to the hatch, imagine the game is very close with only 2 survivors left, instead of going for the hatch they managed to get off the last gen, props to them. What are they greeted with now? NOED. gg.
I'm all in favour of giving killers a mechanic that basically gives them a pitty-kill like survivors get when they screw up but snowballing is not fun at all.
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@Nickenzie said:
Lobby dodging over a survivor's item is so childish. Why should I have to follow your imaginary Dead by Daylight rules just so I can play survivors? Why shouldn't I, the survivor, use items? It's almost like survivors are trying to survive and not gonna make themselves an easy target.This also applies to survivors, survivors who DC over the killer's add-ons and offerings is also childish. Seriously, y'all need to grow up and understand that not every game is gonna be an easy one.
Know what's Childish? Being an adult and wasting your time in something where you're not having fun.
It's the devs job to fix that ppl are dodging because at times the game will be absolute garbage.
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@Nea_Death_Experience said:
Slugging is already an issue but it is kinda needed. It needs a easier punish though. Their is quite a few killers I find will just let you slowly bleed out because they are having fun but that is actual griefing.Idea; survivor can pick them selves up after a fairly long time with the broken condition permanently. No mither could just be a buff to this mechanic. This is an idea, please offer feedback and don't shred the idea to the bone its a thought.
I almost never ran across a killer who'd let me bleed out intentionally, it happened like two or three times in my total survivor gameplay time (about 1/3rd of my actual DBD playtime). I don't think something that this rarely happens needs a fixing.
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@Master said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Master said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:@SIlentCetra said:
Orion said:
@SIlentCetra said: Yeah, I do. And I play both killer and surv, and both sides need to stop whining and crying about every little thing, especially item use. If killers want items removes, then killers can have all addons and offerings removed too. Well, then I hope you and I don't play on the same region, just so you don't make me get dodged. Or maybe you shouldn't play into the BS about items justifying lobby dodges. You DC before you get killed too? ColgateAdvancedWhite said: You can see the general mindset of killers. "Let me farm you, or you don't play at all." Pretty much sums up the selfish mentality of the few frequent posters here
Exactly. That's really what it boils down to. "Make it EZ for me to kill you or I won't play!" Reminds me of those 4 year olds who threaten to hold their breath when they don't get their way
You're the entitled survivor here, if you want the fast 3 min exit game then do that without me. If somebody at my local hobbystore wants to bring some bullshit I also won't play against him because what's the point if I know that I'm gonna lose and not have fun?
You're an entitled killer. Why should people be forced to play your way or not at all?
Don't like it don't play the game. BOOM, no longer have to worry about items
I paid for the game so I do what I want, there's 4 people at my mercy.
The game is fun for me if survivors dick around with their flashlights, if they wanna escape after 3 minutes they can look for another lobby, I play games to have fun since life is really hard where I live, I have to like work almost 12 hours per week at minimum wage (12,50/hour) so I'm not gonna waste my precious time in a game that I won't have fun in.And if you think that dedicated servers are gonna fix this then you're mistaken. Devs also won't ban us because they know that the queuetimes would increase to ridiculous levels. So guess we're slowly becoming the actual power role, deal with it.
Kids these days think they're entitled to other ppl's time and money.
And even if they descided to punish lobby dodging, we still can DC ingame like survivors
Or just not play like I did during the heavy imbalance period with infinite loops to let survivors enjoy the lobbysimulator. There's a ton of good games out there (apex legends, league, heroes of the storm, war thunder, guild wars 2, Civilization 5/6, the total war series etc etc), I won't waste my time in a game that's as unbalanced as this one with ppl like Cetra who think pushing the limits is acceptable.
When I play surv I never bring a toolbox or ######### like instaheals because it's simply not neccesary, if a killer is gonna go sweaty tryhard/facecamp inspite of this then I'll just kill myself on hook and go to the next game too.
I play the most overpowered army in my tabletop game, I won't field the most BS ######### there either because what is the point of playing a game where you know you'll win?
I just got bullied by a SWF, im deranking again into ranks where I belong.
I literally went afk a few seconds, didnt see that they all brought items..... well guess my badBt is insanely op, just ridiculous btw
most of the time I go for the unhooker if they unhook too close to me. I don't like BT's design tho, shouldn't save survivors who get unhooked right after they got hooked, I would only make BT activate after the survivor is on the hook for at least 15 seconds.
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@Master said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:@SIlentCetra said:
Orion said:
@SIlentCetra said: Yeah, I do. And I play both killer and surv, and both sides need to stop whining and crying about every little thing, especially item use. If killers want items removes, then killers can have all addons and offerings removed too. Well, then I hope you and I don't play on the same region, just so you don't make me get dodged. Or maybe you shouldn't play into the BS about items justifying lobby dodges. You DC before you get killed too? ColgateAdvancedWhite said: You can see the general mindset of killers. "Let me farm you, or you don't play at all." Pretty much sums up the selfish mentality of the few frequent posters here
Exactly. That's really what it boils down to. "Make it EZ for me to kill you or I won't play!" Reminds me of those 4 year olds who threaten to hold their breath when they don't get their way
You're the entitled survivor here, if you want the fast 3 min exit game then do that without me. If somebody at my local hobbystore wants to bring some bullshit I also won't play against him because what's the point if I know that I'm gonna lose and not have fun?
You're an entitled killer. Why should people be forced to play your way or not at all?
Don't like it don't play the game. BOOM, no longer have to worry about items
I paid for the game so I do what I want, there's 4 people at my mercy.
The game is fun for me if survivors dick around with their flashlights, if they wanna escape after 3 minutes they can look for another lobby, I play games to have fun since life is really hard where I live, I have to like work almost 12 hours per week at minimum wage (12,50/hour) so I'm not gonna waste my precious time in a game that I won't have fun in.And if you think that dedicated servers are gonna fix this then you're mistaken. Devs also won't ban us because they know that the queuetimes would increase to ridiculous levels. So guess we're slowly becoming the actual power role, deal with it.
Kids these days think they're entitled to other ppl's time and money.
And even if they descided to punish lobby dodging, we still can DC ingame like survivors
Or just not play like I did during the heavy imbalance period with infinite loops to let survivors enjoy the lobbysimulator. There's a ton of good games out there (apex legends, league, heroes of the storm, war thunder, guild wars 2, Civilization 5/6, the total war series etc etc), I won't waste my time in a game that's as unbalanced as this one with ppl like Cetra who think pushing the limits is acceptable.
When I play surv I never bring a toolbox or ######### like instaheals because it's simply not neccesary, if a killer is gonna go sweaty tryhard/facecamp inspite of this then I'll just kill myself on hook and go to the next game too.
I play the most overpowered army in my tabletop game, I won't field the most BS ######### there either because what is the point of playing a game where you know you'll win?
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@SIlentCetra said:
MhhBurgers said:@SIlentCetra said:
Orion said:
@SIlentCetra said: Yeah, I do. And I play both killer and surv, and both sides need to stop whining and crying about every little thing, especially item use. If killers want items removes, then killers can have all addons and offerings removed too. Well, then I hope you and I don't play on the same region, just so you don't make me get dodged. Or maybe you shouldn't play into the BS about items justifying lobby dodges. You DC before you get killed too? ColgateAdvancedWhite said: You can see the general mindset of killers. "Let me farm you, or you don't play at all." Pretty much sums up the selfish mentality of the few frequent posters here
Exactly. That's really what it boils down to. "Make it EZ for me to kill you or I won't play!" Reminds me of those 4 year olds who threaten to hold their breath when they don't get their way
You're the entitled survivor here, if you want the fast 3 min exit game then do that without me. If somebody at my local hobbystore wants to bring some bullshit I also won't play against him because what's the point if I know that I'm gonna lose and not have fun?
You're an entitled killer. Why should people be forced to play your way or not at all?
Don't like it don't play the game. BOOM, no longer have to worry about items
I paid for the game so I do what I want, there's 4 people at my mercy.
The game is fun for me if survivors dick around with their flashlights, if they wanna escape after 3 minutes they can look for another lobby, I play games to have fun since life is really hard where I live, I have to like work almost 12 hours per week at minimum wage (12,50/hour) so I'm not gonna waste my precious time in a game that I won't have fun in.And if you think that dedicated servers are gonna fix this then you're mistaken. Devs also won't ban us because they know that the queuetimes would increase to ridiculous levels. So guess we're slowly becoming the actual power role, deal with it.
Kids these days think they're entitled to other ppl's time and money.
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@SIlentCetra said:
Orion said:@SIlentCetra said:
Yeah, I do. And I play both killer and surv, and both sides need to stop whining and crying about every little thing, especially item use. If killers want items removes, then killers can have all addons and offerings removed too.
Well, then I hope you and I don't play on the same region, just so you don't make me get dodged.
Or maybe you shouldn't play into the BS about items justifying lobby dodges. You DC before you get killed too?
ColgateAdvancedWhite said:You can see the general mindset of killers.
"Let me farm you, or you don't play at all."
Pretty much sums up the selfish mentality of the few frequent posters here
Exactly. That's really what it boils down to. "Make it EZ for me to kill you or I won't play!" Reminds me of those 4 year olds who threaten to hold their breath when they don't get their way
You're the entitled survivor here, if you want the fast 3 min exit game then do that without me. If somebody at my local hobbystore wants to bring some bullshit I also won't play against him because what's the point if I know that I'm gonna lose and not have fun?
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Toolboxes need a rework/heavy nerfing since the game goes over fast enough as is. I'd be okay with toolboxes increasing the great skillcheck zone mostly and doing stuff like silent repairs etc to help survivors who struggle against stuff like ruin and overcharge. Having up to 25% faster repair speed is ludicrous.
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You save the killer the first hit, the only guy this would work against is probably legion who doesn't run M&A, against anybody else this is a terrible idea. If I'd saw a no-mither after the DS change I'd just burn the DS and be happy about a survivor in dying state.
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@Shad03 said:
@iceman2kx said:
Rework soon, as in the same with Freddy and DS getting a rework soon? If that's the case, we'll be waiting a couple years I guess. I just bought this killer and he's complete garbage. He's even worse than Freddy. It's almost better to just run around the map and not even use his power. Hope this gets fixed soon.DS is getting a rework around the next patch (thank the Entity in all her malevolent power), Freddy will also be getting a rework. I'd suggest you practice with Legion. I got to rank 1 with them and can get at least two kills, sometimes 3 to 4 if I play like a sweaty try hard.
Anyways, I hope the devs do something to give the Legion some love.
You can pip with legion without hooking a single person, I did that during my depip session, the only guy I killed was with rancor because I like to see the animation, it's so violent it gives me a boner. So getting to R1 as legion is not an achievement.
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The fact that you think waiting out a 60 second timer on the ground is an actual option as killer makes it very obvious that you never played killer beyond rank 5
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@Hoodedfengm1n said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Hoodedfengm1n said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Hoodedfengm1n said:
@Maximus7 said:
Most loopable killer in the game, cannot down people with his power unless you use Frank's Mix Tape (a purple add-on by the way, and still need to hit people 3 times with it), mending not being a healing action ruins any good perk builds you can make, the power doesn't recharge fast enough and doesn't last long enough, too slow to chase people without his power, do I need to go on? This killer is a joke, nobody's afraid of them. This killer is a literal door mat even for the worst of survivors. Even at what this killer is supposedly good at (injuring multiple people at once), it does nothing in the long run since good survivors always split up. This is a terribly designed killer and nobody should spend money on them.sorry to tell you, but that just shows you cannot play legion without franks mixtape, I seemingly do fine with them without it and I am rank 4 now, only used them when trying adept legion, try bodyblocking
rank4 lul, I went merciless every game with freddy until rank 2 when I still played the game much and survivors were MUCH stronger than they are now.
Also bodyblocking only works on bad survivors.
every match has bad survivors then
gratz on figuring out DBD where playing the nurse is seen as the pinnacle of playerskill.
Welcome to the dbd, where running NOED people shame you
Yeah because I don't play any of the top tier killers who don't need it and I hate the random factor of RUIN, bite me (besides NOED is nothing more than a MS boost on legion anyways most of the time)
Complaining about NOED is equal to crying about haunted grounds, it's most of the time 1 instadown until survivors with a brain leave the game or find it. The only ones crying about it are ppl who are playing to have fun and will stay to save their friends (ppl who ruin this game in other words)
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@Hoodedfengm1n said:
@MhhBurgers said:
@Hoodedfengm1n said:
@Maximus7 said:
Most loopable killer in the game, cannot down people with his power unless you use Frank's Mix Tape (a purple add-on by the way, and still need to hit people 3 times with it), mending not being a healing action ruins any good perk builds you can make, the power doesn't recharge fast enough and doesn't last long enough, too slow to chase people without his power, do I need to go on? This killer is a joke, nobody's afraid of them. This killer is a literal door mat even for the worst of survivors. Even at what this killer is supposedly good at (injuring multiple people at once), it does nothing in the long run since good survivors always split up. This is a terribly designed killer and nobody should spend money on them.sorry to tell you, but that just shows you cannot play legion without franks mixtape, I seemingly do fine with them without it and I am rank 4 now, only used them when trying adept legion, try bodyblocking
rank4 lul, I went merciless every game with freddy until rank 2 when I still played the game much and survivors were MUCH stronger than they are now.
Also bodyblocking only works on bad survivors.
every match has bad survivors then
gratz on figuring out DBD where playing the nurse is seen as the pinnacle of playerskill.
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NOED is a neccesary perk because it drags out the game by giving survivors a reason to do dull totems so it will never go away.
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@Mc_Harty said:
@MhhBurgers said:
I don't give a ######### what ppl like truetalent say, they're not the be all end all best players here...Someone's a little sensitive.
I like true but he's far from being the most knowledgable player here, the amount of times he doesn't know friggin basics is astounding for somebody who has what, 6000 hours in the game? Ppl like Zubatlel use NOED who are far better in every aspect and ppl won't give 2 shits about it, i'm just sick of survivors making fun of me for using it on trash-tier killers who need a lategame boost like Legion/Freddy/Wraith/Pig etc
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also acting like only bad killers use NOED when ur playing ######### like billy with insta chainsaw is ridiculous.
I don't give a ######### what ppl like truetalent say, they're not the be all end all best players here, it doesn't mean anything to be supergood at a game if the game is literally your job while it doesn't even have a competitive scene.
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@Hoodedfengm1n said:
@Maximus7 said:
Most loopable killer in the game, cannot down people with his power unless you use Frank's Mix Tape (a purple add-on by the way, and still need to hit people 3 times with it), mending not being a healing action ruins any good perk builds you can make, the power doesn't recharge fast enough and doesn't last long enough, too slow to chase people without his power, do I need to go on? This killer is a joke, nobody's afraid of them. This killer is a literal door mat even for the worst of survivors. Even at what this killer is supposedly good at (injuring multiple people at once), it does nothing in the long run since good survivors always split up. This is a terribly designed killer and nobody should spend money on them.sorry to tell you, but that just shows you cannot play legion without franks mixtape, I seemingly do fine with them without it and I am rank 4 now, only used them when trying adept legion, try bodyblocking
rank4 lul, I went merciless every game with freddy until rank 2 when I still played the game much and survivors were MUCH stronger than they are now.
Also bodyblocking only works on bad survivors.
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@I_am_Negan said:
So why do you get look down upon as a freeloader.I get 1260€/month in Welfare in germany due to false disasbility claims