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Can every killer counter loopers or not?

Eveline Eveline
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If not what do you do instead?

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  • MhhBurgers MhhBurgers

    Most cannot counter looping, just gotta go for the swing at pallets and route in a way where survivors cannot fastvault windows.

  • ClogWench ClogWench
    Most killers have to rely on the survivor making a mistake. At best some killers have abilities that make it more likely they'll make a mistake, and some can better capitalize on them. But ultimately no, only Nurse, Spirit, and to a lesser but still potent degree Hag actively counter looping.
  • Peasant Peasant
    ClogWench said:
    Most killers have to rely on the survivor making a mistake. At best some killers have abilities that make it more likely they'll make a mistake, and some can better capitalize on them. But ultimately no, only Nurse, Spirit, and to a lesser but still potent degree Hag actively counter looping.
    Huntress is "okay" at countering some debris loops, but Boulder, Truck, and anything else tall just shuts her down.
  • WatchBloodRain WatchBloodRain
    I would say spirit, hag, trapper, nurse, legion, clown, maybe huntress but I guess depends on loop, doctor if shocking is a strong skill of yours
  • Eveline Eveline
    When they go from pallet to pallet and keep running in circles until they drop it but you are a slow killer what then? It's hard to mind game when you are slow.

    Meanwhile gens are popping. I so need ruin. :(
  • The_Crusader The_Crusader
    If there is a wall blocking line of sight you can perhaps mindgame them.

    If its an unsafe pallet you can trick them into messing up.

    If its a safe pallet with line of sight you have to play their little game, get the pallet drop and break it.
  • Eveline Eveline
    The_Crusader said:

    If its a safe pallet with line of sight you have to play their little game, get the pallet drop and break it.
    But it takes time and you don't have enough of it.
  • ClogWench ClogWench
    Eveline said:
    When they go from pallet to pallet and keep running in circles until they drop it but you are a slow killer what then? It's hard to mind game when you are slow.

    Meanwhile gens are popping. I so need ruin. :(
    If someone is a strong looper, break chase and find someone else. Looping is frustrating but if you let a survivor loop you for several gens then that's on you. Better off preying on someone weaker and using them to draw out survivors into a more vulnerable position.
  • Eveline Eveline
    Yeah that's what I usually do.
  • HeroLives HeroLives
    Killers that can counter looping:

    spirit: phasing and fake phasing
    clown: bottles
    legion: what are pallets?
    billy: nuff said
    nurse: what’s a loop?
    hag : well placed traps
    trapper: well placed traps
    doctor: shocking till tier 3 madness I’d put him at 50/50 for this really 
    Huntress also 50/50 depending on spot Bc some places aren’t hard to get the hatchet shot in while others are

    cant:
    pig
    myers
    wraith
    bubba
    freddy


  • Vancold Vancold

    Nurse, Spirit, Hag, Clown, Legion, Huntress and Doctor (to a certain extent) counter looping.

    The others don't and have to rely more on macro.

    Keep in mind that if you're bad, noone counters looping.

  • Coriander Coriander

    Every killer has Bloodlust.

  • Eveline Eveline
    Coriander said:

    Every killer has Bloodlust.

    And survivors know it dropping the pallet at the right time.
  • MhhBurgers MhhBurgers

    @Coriander said:
    Every killer has Bloodlust.

    Bloodlust is not a viable way to counter looping rofl, by the time you trigger bloodlust you lose the match unless the survivors are derping around or it's just the last 2 left.

  • Master Master

    @Eveline said:
    If not what do you do instead?

    Only nurse can truely counter loops.
    Trapper and hag can trap up OP houses, but you can easily disarm the traps. Clown was supposed to coutner loops with his toxin, but it really doesnt work too well.

    What are you supposed to do instead? Well find the weak spot of the team that doesnt know how to loop, if there is no weak spot, then go cry in your basement :(

  • Master Master

    @Coriander said:
    Every killer has Bloodlust.

    Someone clearly doesnt play killer

  • Coriander Coriander

    I admit that chasing someone for a bit only to have three gens blow up in your face kinda sours the experience, but that's why you have to mind-game them a bit. And try not to cry into your iced tea after the match...

    T_T

  • The_Crusader The_Crusader
    Eveline said:
    The_Crusader said:

    If its a safe pallet with line of sight you have to play their little game, get the pallet drop and break it.
    But it takes time and you don't have enough of it.
    Welcome to Dead by Daylight :sunglasses:
  • Delfador Delfador

    Only 2 killers can counter loops and have a chance against good survivors and these killers are the nurse and the spirit. Even though some other killers can counter them to a certain extent, it is just not enough.

    Closest killers to nurse and spirit are the hag and the huntress but their way of countering is not the same as the nurse and spirit.

  • BACKSTABBER BACKSTABBER

    @HeroLives said:
    Killers that can counter looping:

    spirit: phasing and fake phasing
    clown: bottles
    legion: what are pallets?
    billy: nuff said
    nurse: what’s a loop?
    hag : well placed traps
    trapper: well placed traps
    doctor: shocking till tier 3 madness I’d put him at 50/50 for this really 
    Huntress also 50/50 depending on spot Bc some places aren’t hard to get the hatchet shot in while others are

    cant:
    pig
    myers
    wraith
    bubba
    freddy

    U exaggerate a bit, I would say bill, huntress and maybe doctor cannot counter either

    so in order the best counters are: legion, nurse, spirit, clown, trapper and hag, nothing else

  • MhhBurgers MhhBurgers

    I also don't see how billy counters loops rofl.

  • Eveline Eveline
    It was strange to me when I read it also but since I'm not very experienced in playing killer I don't know. Playing against him, it's not too hard to loop him.
  • PiiFree PiiFree

    Depends on the type of loop.

    • Nurse can counter pretty much every loop
    • Clown can counter some of the loops
    • Huntress can counter some of the loops but suffers even more from others
    • Spirit can handle most pallet loops but suffers from window loops
    • Hag and Trapper can temporary counter specific loops
    • Doctor can handle a few loops
    • and Legion.... Legion can loop, too!

    The others can't really deal with loopers.

  • Delfador Delfador

    @Eveline said:
    It was strange to me when I read it also but since I'm not very experienced in playing killer I don't know. Playing against him, it's not too hard to loop him.

    No people think that looping is the only thing that can keep survivors safe so if billy is powerful, and he is, he must be countering loops.

    The mistake they are making that billy can do many other things even though he can't counter loops so he is still powerful.

  • Delfador Delfador

    @PiiFree said:
    Depends on the type of loop.

    • Nurse can counter pretty much every loop
    • Clown can counter some of the loops
    • Huntress can counter some of the loops but suffers even more from others
    • Spirit can handle most pallet loops but suffers from window loops
    • Hag and Trapper can temporary counter specific loops
    • Doctor can handle a few loops
    • and Legion.... Legion can loop, too!

    The others can't really deal with loopers.

    I kinda disagree on the spirit part.

    Spirit with high mobility can counter 'most' windows easily.

    She just can't counter extremely safe ones like the one in the rancid abattoir's main building or the coal tower because her power doesn't have enough charge.

  • artist artist
    if you're playing your standard m1 killer, strafe to cut corners more tightly, run enduring with spirit fury and don't respect pallets. learn the tiles as well so you know what you can and can't mindgame
  • LCGaster LCGaster

    There is no real way to counter loops, your best bet is mind games so survivors make mistakes

  • HeroLives HeroLives
    BACKSTABBER said:

    @HeroLives said:
    Killers that can counter looping:

    spirit: phasing and fake phasing
    clown: bottles
    legion: what are pallets?
    billy: nuff said
    nurse: what’s a loop?
    hag : well placed traps
    trapper: well placed traps
    doctor: shocking till tier 3 madness I’d put him at 50/50 for this really 
    Huntress also 50/50 depending on spot Bc some places aren’t hard to get the hatchet shot in while others are

    cant:
    pig
    myers
    wraith
    bubba
    freddy

    U exaggerate a bit, I would say bill, huntress and maybe doctor cannot counter either

    so in order the best counters are: legion, nurse, spirit, clown, trapper and hag, nothing else

    Billy Bc he can eat through pallets fairly quickly, and has decent movement speed. By the time they try to move to the next pallet insta down them. They can be looped for a bit but not long at all especially if you’re good at mind gaming. 
  • PiiFree PiiFree

    @Delfador said:
    I kinda disagree on the spirit part.

    Spirit with high mobility can counter 'most' windows easily.

    She just can't counter extremely safe ones like the one in the rancid abattoir's main building or the coal tower because her power doesn't have enough charge.

    ...Coal Tower, Groaning Storehouse, Cowshed, Chapel, Discturbed Ward, Gas Heaven, Wretched Shop, Ironworks, Suffocation Pit, Haddonfield, Red Forest, Grim Pantry, Pale Rose, Torment Creek, Rancid Abattoir....

  • MhhBurgers MhhBurgers

    @HeroLives said:
    BACKSTABBER said:

    @HeroLives said:

    Killers that can counter looping:

    spirit: phasing and fake phasing

    clown: bottles

    legion: what are pallets?

    billy: nuff said

    nurse: what’s a loop?

    hag : well placed traps

    trapper: well placed traps

    doctor: shocking till tier 3 madness I’d put him at 50/50 for this really 

    Huntress also 50/50 depending on spot Bc some places aren’t hard to get the hatchet shot in while others are

    cant:

    pig

    myers

    wraith

    bubba

    freddy

    U exaggerate a bit, I would say bill, huntress and maybe doctor cannot counter either

    so in order the best counters are: legion, nurse, spirit, clown, trapper and hag, nothing else

    Billy Bc he can eat through pallets fairly quickly, and has decent movement speed. By the time they try to move to the next pallet insta down them. They can be looped for a bit but not long at all especially if you’re good at mind gaming. 

    Billy has the same MS as other killers and most of the time catching up with the chainsaw after a pallet does close to nothing.

    He chainsaws pallets as fast as you can kick pallets if he at least uses addons, if he doesn't he might as well kick it.

  • HeroLives HeroLives
    MhhBurgers said:

    @HeroLives said:
    BACKSTABBER said:

    @HeroLives said:

    Killers that can counter looping:

    spirit: phasing and fake phasing

    clown: bottles

    legion: what are pallets?

    billy: nuff said

    nurse: what’s a loop?

    hag : well placed traps

    trapper: well placed traps

    doctor: shocking till tier 3 madness I’d put him at 50/50 for this really 

    Huntress also 50/50 depending on spot Bc some places aren’t hard to get the hatchet shot in while others are

    cant:

    pig

    myers

    wraith

    bubba

    freddy

    U exaggerate a bit, I would say bill, huntress and maybe doctor cannot counter either

    so in order the best counters are: legion, nurse, spirit, clown, trapper and hag, nothing else

    Billy Bc he can eat through pallets fairly quickly, and has decent movement speed. By the time they try to move to the next pallet insta down them. They can be looped for a bit but not long at all especially if you’re good at mind gaming. 

    Billy has the same MS as other killers and most of the time catching up with the chainsaw after a pallet does close to nothing.

    He chainsaws pallets as fast as you can kick pallets if he at least uses addons, if he doesn't he might as well kick it.

    Yeah I was talking about with the addons and the perk that lets you auto break the fourth pallet. The name of it evades me. It’s strong on billy. 
  • Delfador Delfador

    @PiiFree said:

    @Delfador said:
    I kinda disagree on the spirit part.

    Spirit with high mobility can counter 'most' windows easily.

    She just can't counter extremely safe ones like the one in the rancid abattoir's main building or the coal tower because her power doesn't have enough charge.

    ...Coal Tower, Groaning Storehouse, Cowshed, Chapel, Discturbed Ward, Gas Heaven, Wretched Shop, Ironworks, Suffocation Pit, Haddonfield, Red Forest, Grim Pantry, Pale Rose, Torment Creek, Rancid Abattoir....

    You didn't have to write them all, I already accepted it o_O

    Yes, if they are close to main buildings and those safe windows, she can't counter it but for the most part, she can counter windows easily, even shack.

  • Delfador Delfador

    @HeroLives said:

    Billy Bc he can eat through pallets fairly quickly, and has decent movement speed. By the time they try to move to the next pallet insta down them. They can be looped for a bit but not long at all especially if you’re good at mind gaming. 

    No, they can easily reach the other pallets and windows as long as you don't have spirit fury and enduring. Even then, you won't be able to use that all the time.

    Every killer can mindgame so it is not that great of an answer honestly.

  • HavelmomDaS1 HavelmomDaS1
    ClogWench said:
    Most killers have to rely on the survivor making a mistake. At best some killers have abilities that make it more likely they'll make a mistake, and some can better capitalize on them. But ultimately no, only Nurse, Spirit, and to a lesser but still potent degree Hag actively counter looping.
    Billy aswell. Not always, but once curving is mastered he's decent at any loops and doesn't has to bruteforce pallets 
  • PiiFree PiiFree

    @Delfador said:

    You didn't have to write them all, I already accepted it o_O

    Yes, if they are close to main buildings and those safe windows, she can't counter it but for the most part, she can counter windows easily, even shack.

    I like to point out broken loops, especially because there are so many of them. People like to think that there are just a few broken buildings while in reality, there are just a few that are not broken.

  • MhhBurgers MhhBurgers

    @HeroLives said:
    MhhBurgers said:

    @HeroLives said:

    BACKSTABBER said:

    @HeroLives said:

Killers that can counter looping:

    spirit: phasing and fake phasing

    clown: bottles

legion: what are pallets?

billy: nuff said

nurse: what’s a loop?

hag : well placed traps

trapper: well placed traps

doctor: shocking till tier 3 madness I’d put him at 50/50 for this really 

Huntress also 50/50 depending on spot Bc some places aren’t hard to get the hatchet shot in while others are

    cant:

    pig

myers

wraith

bubba

freddy



U exaggerate a bit, I would say bill, huntress and maybe doctor cannot counter either

so in order the best counters are: legion, nurse, spirit, clown, trapper and hag, nothing else

    Billy Bc he can eat through pallets fairly quickly, and has decent movement speed. By the time they try to move to the next pallet insta down them. They can be looped for a bit but not long at all especially if you’re good at mind gaming. 

    Billy has the same MS as other killers and most of the time catching up with the chainsaw after a pallet does close to nothing.

    He chainsaws pallets as fast as you can kick pallets if he at least uses addons, if he doesn't he might as well kick it.

    Yeah I was talking about with the addons and the perk that lets you auto break the fourth pallet. The name of it evades me. It’s strong on billy. 

    Spirit fury works on every killer, I'd even say billy is the least in need of it.

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