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What were the reasons for nerfing Legion's cooldown add ons? Their previous state didn't make them game breaking.
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@xChrisx said:
Adapt and git gud
lol entitled survivor main over here. You the type of survivor to get downed in 10 seconds without crutch perks.
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@Peanits said:
We do listen to feedback, however, not everyone will feel the same way as you. This is an asymmetrical game with many different playstyles, not everyone is going to see eye to eye on every change. While you may not like the changes personally, there were many more who supported the changes.
With that said, I wish you the best and hope to see you back some day.
The majority of people complained that he got overnerfed, you making it sound like the majority of people were happy with the changes. Then again, you guys did come out with MoM, so I don't know if you guys truly know anything about balance.
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@KateLover said:
The PTB isn't for community feedback, it's to test the changes and find bugs in them before going live. Not that this really works either. They play lip service to community feedback but generally respond with any sort of actual feedback with "we've done our own play testing and...blah blah blah".
Then whats the point of them telling us to give our feedback? Most of these changes are pretty bad, and even though I hate Legion, he is basically a Freddy at this point.
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@Peanits said:
It would be pretty interesting, although Freddy is getting a complete rework shortly so I'm not sure if it would be worthwhile to make it baseline at this point.
Yeah I know he is getting a full rework, just giving an idea. Can't wait for the rework to come out in 2020.
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@HazeHound said:
Class photo is one of his stronger addons, i think it would be too good. Constantly putting everyone to sleep and ocassionally hitting someone is how you win as Freddy, cf makes it very easy.
He needs some buffs tho. I was thinking maybe smaller skillchecks odds as base power? He really does get rekt by rng. Or perhaps increase movement speed by big chunk when walking forward and there is no survivor in line of sight. Sleeping survivor in your terror radius would cancel speed buff too.
It would help with map pressure but not chases, and forward requirement prevents moonwalking during sleep transition.
Red paintbrush his best add on? At least with class photo you can stall the game, Red paintbrush makes you slower LOL. He basically moves at the speed of Hag, he will get destroyed by pallets.
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@HavelmomDaS1 said:
"hey, let's nerf the most balanced killer in the game who takes skill to be deadly af but has plenty of counter plays aswell!!"
Yeah, what should go wrong with this idea. Smh.
Hillbilly takes skill? Lmao he is the easiest killer to play imo. certainly easier than the low tiers.
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@McCree said:
If this would happen I'd probably leave.. I bought the game because it's fun yes but also because I can play it with my friend/s if I want to.
Removing SWF would surely make a lot of people leave.
Lmao bye then. If you can't learn to play solo then maybe this isn't the game for you.
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It is unplayable. I give up, or maybe I will just use most broken stuff in the game also.
If I'm gonna verse a purple flashlight squad you best believe I'm using a Ebony Mori. Didn't know only survivors are allowed to have fun.
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@Peanits said:
While it initially makes sense to compare it directly to the live version, there's a little more to it than it seems. The fatigue exists to ensure that the Survivor can get some distance after feral frenzy ends. This is crucial, otherwise the Killer could catch up at 5.0m/s (previously ~5.28m/s), cancel frenzy, and then instantly down the Survivor. With that in mind, we can do some quick math. We'll also have to count the speed at which the Legion moves while fatigued.
(This is assuming you're not hitting the survivor and giving them a speed boost, since that would be silly. For simplicity's sake, this also assumes you are exactly where the Survivor is when you hit them, which obviously won't be the case, you won't be inside them.)
With a 1.75 second cooldown, the Survivor will gain:
(1.75 * 4) - (1.75 * 2.7) = 2.275m
With a 3 second cooldown, the Survivor now gains:
(3 * 4) - (3 * 2.7) = 3.9m
The difference:
3.9 - 2.275 = 1.625m
The Survivor is getting 1.625m more distance than they would before. Not a huge amount, but let's not write it off. The important part is how long it takes you to close that gap. (Again, for simplicity's sake, we're going to assume that you need to be directly on the Survivor to hit them. This more or less makes up for the assumption we made before.)
At 4.4m/s, you will close the 2.275m gap in:
2.275 / 0.4 ~= 5.7s
At 4.6m/s, you will close the 3.9m gap in:
3.9 / 0.6 = 6.5s
In total, you're only taking 0.8 seconds longer to catch up to the Survivor than you are in the live build. It's not a very significant amount of time, especially once you factor in the time you'll save being able to run loops at 4.6m/s.
In short, while it is slightly weaker than before, it's not significant when you take the movement speed into consideration.
And yet the Nurse exists. Great job guys...
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@will_i_am_14_85 said:
Why is it whenever I see someone state how many hours in the game they have, or what rank they have reached before, I just tune out....
When did I say any of this? Lmao
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
If this is because Legion... No one ever said he's op, he just doesnt have counterplay and makes the game completely boring
Had no counters but the nerf honestly killed him. Give him small nerfs over time, not the whole list in one patch. I hate legion too but he is honestly at the same level as Freddy at this point.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
I can't wait to bully some Nurses with my MoM, IW, DH, SC build! Nerf hillbilly though.
The only reason why I said Nerf Hillbilly is because Legion was nerfed despite being worse. But yep, Survivor perks are still god like! MoM!
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yep, Remember me is worthless. What's the point of adding a end game mechanic when they nerf end game perks?
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@Chaotic_Riddle said:
Originally, when you hit a Survivor without entering Feral Frenzy, your power gauge would be reset to 0%. Now, it resets down by 50%, so if you’re at 75%, go to M1 a player without activating Feral, you’ll be down to 25%.
I hope this helps. :)
Love to see more ne.... changes implemented to the Legion,
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Let's just accept this game will always have flaws, sucks since all the promise of improvements has just been talk.
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@NoShinyPony said:
No. The devs said they will share new information about the Freddy rework with us next month.
ok whatever, this game is dying either way.
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I watched the video twice and it seems like that the survivor will die no matter what once the killer closed the hatch.
The survivors not getting a free escape and have to work for it? Crazy talk right? XD
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Taking away Legion's power isn't how to go about this. Legion is going to be the worst killer in DbD. Freddy will be better than Legion.
OF course your profile pic is Legion. I'm glad you have to actually try now.
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@bubbascal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/422970#Comment_422970
Aaaaand there you have it. The real audience this was for: Toxic Survivor mains who want to be Noob3 and loop Killers all game. But they are upset because they can't do that with Legion. Any other Killer gets no complaints because they can be looped all game.
Just admit you wanted Legion removed altogether, not balance.
Oh, and, I don't normally use Frank's, but if I see you on PS4, I'm tunneling you with Frank's Mixtape and mori with your name on it. 😁
So if they are a toxic survivor main I guess that makes you a toxic legion main, lol. Sorry you can't use a crutch anymore.
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@Dwight_Confusion said:
Horrible idea.
You guys already have the heavy emblem debuff if they are camping, plus borrowed time exists.
Besides.... if the killer is hardcore camping you... you probably had an annoying tryhard playstyle... so be it.
Also... just because you are getting camped doesn't mean your SWF team is. They can burn gens.
It's sickening when people act like a camping killer forces everyone to just wait around the hook and ruin the game...
Not surprising hearing this from a Legion player. Also who said anything about SWF?
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@Mister_xD said:
great idea!
kobe and get rehooked immediately!
just means bonus BP and Emblem points for the killer ^^
EDIT: oh, and 1 minute less of waiting next to the hook, which allows the killer to just go and hunt down another person before the gens are done. just sayin...
That's why there is a thing called DS
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@Mister_xD said:
explain how its fun for anyone when you cant do anything but wait until Legion catched up to you and frenzies you to death.
since there was literally no counterplay to a legion, it made the killer extremely unfun to play against and resulted in many people simply ragequitting against them.
they HAD to change something. eigther take away his killer instinct or his really unfun chase mechanics.
Agreed. This dude is basically complaining that he doesn't have a crutch anymore. Pallet was a counter? MInd game or better yet use YOUR DAMN ABILITY to jump over it. Don't want to break It like almost the rest of the killers have to do? Use the add on that allows you to break pallets while vaulting. @Bbbrian2013
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@Condorloco_26 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/422607#Comment_422607
LOL
Stop tunneling gens. Whenever your gen reaches 33 or 66%, go look for another one.
AND!
if you happen to find a 33 or 66% gen while running around, ABSOLUTELY ignore it.
As a killer main, even I know this is just stupid.
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With this new legion "improve it's very clear that the only killers we can play successfully are the same ones we've been playing for 2 years:
I play Freddy and Wraith, and this post is so accurate.
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@BBQnDemogorgon said:
@Meme Explain low tier killers no one plays? With one getting a rework because he's so bad?
Than next time just don't say the others killers have powers. You literally complaining before the Legion rework is even out baffles me. At least legion isn't as crap as Wraith and Freddy.
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@BBQnDemogorgon said:
@DeadGavin Other killers have powers.
Explain Freddy and Wraith then.
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Really Devs? What in the world are you thinking? You may as well delete him and refund those that purchased the chapter.
That is how I felt when they nerfed Freddy, now you guys can feel what it is like to be nerfed for no reason.
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Dead? Too early to tell, but they will definetly be worse.
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@FeelsVeryBadMan said:
Community: reewurk Leegun
Devs: *reewurk Leegun*
Rework: *isn't even out yet, changes listed on the forums, no one even got to play them yet*
Community: this reewurk is trash, im quitting dee bee dee and pls gib me a refund.
Can this please stop? Over and over again people have complained about something being weak, and weeks later decided that it was the best thing to happen. *cough* Spirit *cough*
Just wait for the changes to hit PTB and play it for yourself. Actually, now that I think about it, it won't change anything, people are still going to ######### about it until it's not their way.
Exactly. Remember when Freddy was released and the community was already crying in the first week.
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@Shad03 said:
@Detective_Jonathan They had counters, and while this Legion (I'll admit) is more balanced, they were still given the shortest, dullest, end of the stick. I'll still play them, but that doesn't mean I'll be happy about the changes.
I think what ticks me off most is that I think Borrowed Time got unintentionally buffed again.
What were their counters exactly? I personally like this change, they did get nerfed, but they got buffed in other areas.
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@Yamaoka said:
I bought Legion with real money like 1-2 months ago and spent almost 6000 shards to get Susie and millions of bloodpoints because of the stupid grind. Feelsbadman.
I guess I'll never buy any dbd dlc again.
Back to playing Hillbilly 24/7. Hopefully the survivors enjoy getting downed in 10 seconds when they see me.
Honestly I don't blame you, Legion is gonna be trash now. Rather they nerf Hillbilly than Legion.
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@not_Queen You guys are literally the best! I am so excited to hear about the ideas you have for Freddy this upcoming month. Keep up with the great content 😀
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@jackmadrox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/412136#Comment_412136
I don't think anyone cares anymore. The Devs have ######### up this game so bad, people are leaving in droves. I'm not just blaming the devs though, all the whiny rank 20 survivors had a huge hand in ######### this game up too.
Yep, quitted this game last week, never felt any better.
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Out of interest, i was wondering when the dev team think would be a good time to start buffing killers? not a hate post, just genuinely curious.
Yeah let's keep buffing killer and nerfing survivor to the ground, or you guys can actually get good at the game? Just a suggestion.
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It's suuuuuuper easy to pip as killer. Every match is Double Pip. Why am I even writing here? Oh right, because pipping is also bloody stupidly hard.
Yep guess you are a killer main right? You guys have been getting nothing but buffs for the past months, quit complaining and actually get good at the game instead of wanting ez win. Freaking virgins.
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Before I get into the downward trend, and the reasons for it from my experience of talking to other players.
Not surprised, this game is in one of the worst states it's ever been in. Barely enjoyable anymore.
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since the matchmaking changes, and the latest patch, swfs is impossible to play, you either don’t load in at all, get disconnected by the game when you spawn in, start a action or just at a random time in the match for no reason at all, but if you go play solo, the game works as normal, when are we going to get a fix for this?
Exactly why I stopped playing killer. Funny how some people say, "But I only play it to have fun with my friends", yet those are the idiots with full purple flashlights and top tier perks. Swf is killing this game, and the charts show it, but hey idiots need a crutch.
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Would you like to have Clementine in dead by daylight
Let us first fix this crappy game atm before thinking about overpriced dlc.
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Greetings fellow fog travellers :) I play almost 50/50 killer and survivor. As a killer i never tunnel or camp..
Great another survivor main post complaining about tunneling and camping. Killer mains have to deal with much more BS you know?
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@Master said:
A casual fun game?
Then I just ask, why do we have a competitive rankign system and dont evne have the chance to opt out of it via a casual mode?
fun? Playing both sides is stressful and starting to make people quit this game.
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Let’s say for scenario’s purposes the survivor got hooked early in the game, so neither noed is in play nor do they likely have a lot of blood points.
Depends on the killer, such as if they have an instant down or not.
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@ColgateAdvancedWhite said:
Yup, I've decided to be part of the problem. Come join the killers. We're the majority on the forums too so we have decent influence on the devs too
LOL yep. Killer is honestly much more fun than solo survivor atm.
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@darktrix said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/391893#Comment_391893
It just is - now if you'll excuse him, he's off to become part of the problem.
Makes you feel any better I main Trapper/Freddy and don't camp LOL
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@MhhBurgers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/386712#Comment_386712
It's a proven fact that is shown by the depip squad. Yes only like 1% of survivors play like them but the depip squad still showed that fundamentally you cannot beat survivors who absolutely purely play sweaty. The new ranking system also shows this because the devs are trying to force interaction with killers through points.
What's wrong with Trapper? I feel like he is a decent killer with the right add ons.
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@thrawn3054 said:
Maybe the changes to the ranking system? I know I've found it frustrating. Killers trying to rank up while survivors feel like they can't so the don't try. I'm not sure if that's the case but I've noticed the dc's and campy killers have been going up lately.
Yeah it's bad in both situations. Might just quit this game as it's not fun anymore.
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@Kagrenac said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/382784#Comment_382784
Its graphically more bright. In game the beam will look brighter
So it is simply aesthetics and doesn't actually effect gameplay?
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@harry14141414 said:
they nerfed the ######### out of it... it consumes the battery faster and only blinds 0.5 seconds more or something.. so bad they keep nerfing survivor stuff game unfun survivor side
Than what does increase visual brightness mean? Some people still say you blind the killer faster.
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@Maelstrom10 said:
Blind brightness / time is actually super good. Adding odd bulb and the halogen is actually really powerful and while it won't get you faster drops, it will blind faster and distract for longer. About as useful as long life/low amp, however people discount it due to the "1.2s blind time for all flashlights" odd/halogen with an exhaustion perk plus lightweight can make for easy escapesDoes blind brightness actually blind the killer faster? I thought it didn't after the installation blind nerf.
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@tizzi717 said:
Those killers,really want a free and easy 4k 😪
What? It's bad for both killers and survivors.