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Everything is possible?
Likely? no^^ -
@BLUE_APE said:
@Master said:
Testing costs resources and we need those on other places.
DCing is still not punished.
Consoles dont even have a report/bann system yet.
Game balance, especially SWF matchmaking is ridiculous
Countless bugs and exploitsDo I need to continue the list?^^
Do you like the idea or not?
I understand time, work, ect, I understand there are problems already in the game. I'm asking if anyone else likes these ideas.
Not whats wrong with them.Sure at some point I would like to see a 2vs6 or sth like that, but at the moment they cant even get together a proper 1vs4 mode. For varying the number of players in a game, we need dedicated server first or everything will be a big laggfest.
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Testing costs resources and we need those on other places.
DCing is still not punished.
Consoles dont even have a report/bann system yet.
Game balance, especially SWF matchmaking is ridiculous
Countless bugs and exploitsDo I need to continue the list?^^
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All survivors that relied on gentapping as a crutch instead of learning how to hit skillchecks would go insane after this gets implemented. Ofc the devs will never consider that^^
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The normal 1vs4 gamemode has enough issues already, better they focus on one mode before doign such stuff
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@Delfador said:
@Master said:
@Delfador said:
@Master said:
@Delfador said:
Is killer AFK because it is not normal to finish generators in 110 seconds. I have played more than 900 hours and didn't experience anything like this.If we are going to talk about theories here is mine.
One survivor is afk. You down and hook him in 10 seconds. Three people run to save him and you down all of them with your chainsaw. All of them attempt to escape and fail and don't struggle and die.
Who else noticed...
Time it takes to repair all gens: 110 seconds
Time to kill all survivors: 60 seconds
Ez.
I think both killers and survivors should be more reasonable.
Those numbers are only raw numbers assuming noone hidnering them from doing objectives.
But as a 900 hour player (at leats if you played killer too) you should know how fast a SWF can knock out gens if they want toI do play and know the gen rush SWF groups. Gen rush is the most broken thing in this game period.
Saying it takes 110 seconds is disingenuous though. I gave my raw number to kill all survivors as well which is 60 seconds. Does it happen? No.
It is impossible to kill all survivors within 60 seconds, even if they all wait in the basement for you to hook them. It takes 2 minutes for a single survivor to die on hook
You didn't read my post then. I said everybody tried to escape and fail and didn't struggle.
If we are gonna talk about best case scenario here is the best case scenario for the killer.
Oh well then best case scenario is 1 second, all survivors Dc immediately.
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@chemical_reject said:
xdamienz said:
Master said:Even with a "semi decent" PC you dont get 60 fps all the time.
No way you get 60 with a console
Consoles can easily hit 60 fps in dbd you dont know what you are talking about lol
Yea I really wish they would. Now I used to play on a regular ps4 and got the pro a couple months ago and there's a huge difference right there. It doest seem AS BAD on the pro but there are times when the killer gets his free hit because of lag/framerate issues and that gets really frustrating.
You realize that the killer suffers from the low framerates way more than a survivor does?
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@xdamienz said:
Master said:Even with a "semi decent" PC you dont get 60 fps all the time.
No way you get 60 with a console
Consoles can easily hit 60 fps in dbd you dont know what you are talking about lol
Well why are we discussing the horrible framerates on console then?
I dont have any experience but I heard that 20 fps is a normal thing for DBD on console^^ -
@Nickenzie said:
Tsulan said:
Nickenzie said:
Wolf74 said:@Nickenzie said:
As a Pig main, games are usually 5 minutes long if the survivors are extremely competitive but otherwise, your looking at 10 to 20 minutes games. A lot of killer's say "2 minute" games but even myself with 600 hours haven't had a game where all generators are powered on in 2 minutes.
All 4 survivor jump on different gens asap (5-10 sec)
Only one survivor can get chased at a time, everyone else stick to his gen.
60-80 seconds later 3 gens should be done and the first victim hooked.
Now either a) killer is camping and the remaining gens will be done in another 60-80 sec or b) killer is not camping -> free unhook and heal -> repeat the above.
= 120 - 160 seconds to do all gen
This leaves another 1- 2 minutes to open the gates and you are still way under 5 min.
Okay, that's all cool and all but it's easier said than done. LINK me a generator rush video that shows all generators being powered on in 2 minutes!
I got one for 3 minutes on rank 1. But that doesn't count, right?
Link me the YouTube video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=67&=&v=rJqFxk8U0OY
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Survivors DC all the time when I use bloody party streamers. I really dont understand it, but thats how it is
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@Delfador said:
@Master said:
@Delfador said:
Is killer AFK because it is not normal to finish generators in 110 seconds. I have played more than 900 hours and didn't experience anything like this.If we are going to talk about theories here is mine.
One survivor is afk. You down and hook him in 10 seconds. Three people run to save him and you down all of them with your chainsaw. All of them attempt to escape and fail and don't struggle and die.
Who else noticed...
Time it takes to repair all gens: 110 seconds
Time to kill all survivors: 60 seconds
Ez.
I think both killers and survivors should be more reasonable.
Those numbers are only raw numbers assuming noone hidnering them from doing objectives.
But as a 900 hour player (at leats if you played killer too) you should know how fast a SWF can knock out gens if they want toI do play and know the gen rush SWF groups. Gen rush is the most broken thing in this game period.
Saying it takes 110 seconds is disingenuous though. I gave my raw number to kill all survivors as well which is 60 seconds. Does it happen? No.
It is impossible to kill all survivors within 60 seconds, even if they all wait in the basement for you to hook them. It takes 2 minutes for a single survivor to die on hook
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@Mycroft said:
Survivors: "This isn't fun..."
BHVR: (sound of stuff in the background falling and being knocked down as they break their necks to hotfix everything)Killers: "This is unfair and unfun."
BHVR/Survivor Mains In Unison: "Deal with it."Survivor money is worth more I suppose.
Its easy math, do you want 20% of the cake or 80%?
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@Ryuti said:
Even if it's at the end of the match, it still counts and if you do it enough you'll get a softban. I'd advise against doing it.How much is enough?
I still havent heard of anyone who got even only softbanned for DCing and I know guys who DC a lot -
They bodyblocked another survivor in corner, also canceling the unhook actions is griefing, just like mori canceling is.
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@Delfador said:
Is killer AFK because it is not normal to finish generators in 110 seconds. I have played more than 900 hours and didn't experience anything like this.If we are going to talk about theories here is mine.
One survivor is afk. You down and hook him in 10 seconds. Three people run to save him and you down all of them with your chainsaw. All of them attempt to escape and fail and don't struggle and die.
Who else noticed...
Time it takes to repair all gens: 110 seconds
Time to kill all survivors: 60 seconds
Ez.
I think both killers and survivors should be more reasonable.
Those numbers are only raw numbers assuming noone hidnering them from doing objectives.
But as a 900 hour player (at leats if you played killer too) you should know how fast a SWF can knock out gens if they want to -
@Zanfer said:
@Master said:
@iceman2kx said:
Before the survivors get all salty at the title, let me state this isn't the typical "wah they finished the gens before I could kill them" QQ. So first, let's address what I am referring to when I say "gen rushing" before we hear the typical, "there is no such thing" argument. Gen rushing is when survivors push generators hard from the beginning of the match and multiple gens are completed within a few minutes. This can be caused by the killer lacking pressure on the map or survivors ignoring everything in order to push the gens. As a killer, when I see 3 gens popped in a few minutes, I get a little frustrated and I think, "wow". As a survivor I think, "okay this is good, but I'll get worthless pips and no points." This is one of the reasons I don't particularly care to play survivor often. What fun is pressing M1 on a generator the entire match?Is anyone really wrong for doing this? No, I don't believe so. Survivors are just doing their objective and killers may just be getting looped or inexperienced at patrolling gens. I think what it boils down to is survivors have gotten so good and adapted to this game over the years, it has revealed a huge flaw in this game. It needs to be fixed.
So what is there to do about it right now? Killers have a few perks that can sort of help with this. At best, these perks are like an off brand bandaid and they only benefit the killer. Survivors can stop doing their only objective and purposely run the killer around for chase points, but why on earth would they do that?
There have been some creative solutions mentioned over the past couple months I have played. My favorite is adding more objectives in the game or even different game modes. Unique quest can be added in the map that upon completion, could reward the same benefit as escaping would (BPs/pips) and you could even escape after escaping for an even larger bonus. This is just an example of what can be done and my own personal input.
So, I'd like to finish off my QQ with one last thought. This last game I played. Let me say, the survivors did really well. They were very sneaky, pushed gens quick. As far as doing their objective goes, they almost finished the last gen and were potentially very close to escape.
Unfortunately for them, they made a few minor mistakes that I was able to capitalize on. The point of me posting this pic is to point out that they did do well in hiding from the killer and finishing gens. In my opinion, they were not rewarded enough and this is one of the big problems of gen rushing. It's generally a bad game for everyone, not fun and no one gets points.
Thoughts?
Genrushing is not a thing in the realm where the devs balance the game. Survivors are actually scared in this realm and will move away from gens when they hear heartbeat, they wont stay untli the last second just to zoom away with their sprinburst. Also skillchecks will be failed such that the killer can hinder their progress too.
Loved the old days of DBD, had so much fun with my friends even if we got totally screwed. Nowadays its just a shitshow
That is a very specific situation and not everyone reacts like that
So you are telling me that nowadays survivor hide when they hear the heartbeat instead of continuing the gen? "specific situation" mhm k
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Current ranked mode is hardcore mode, gen repair speed is beyong ridiculous.
All gens can be completed in 108 seconds assuming no great skillchecks, no perks, no toolboxes and no walking times -
@TheLegendDyl4n1 said:
@PigNRun said:
Are you going to complain about "Hook Vacuum" next?i agree that the hook vacuum is needed but the pallet one makes it extremely hard to pallet save
We have no hook vacuum, if he had, then bodyblocking the hook wouldnt be a thing
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Only works at low rank sadly
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@needreplay said:
If the totem breaks in 10 seconds from the start of the game.
Why do the killers continue to use the hex?
so curious..
10 seconds equal 1/2 worth of a gen if all survivors repair
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@Akibahara said:
I understand The Spirit is getting a buff on Dead by Daylight. Does anyone have a list or can link me to a URL which states what buffs she's getting for the official release?She wont be able to see blood during phasewalk anymore. You have to use an ULTRA RARE addon to get that ability. Thats what she is getting for her release
Imagine a boxer being downed in the ring and the referee kicking him, thats the image I have in my mind^^
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Classic example of ochido wannabes.
Imagine what better place DBD would be if the devs would get rid of them. -
Classic example of ochido wannabes.
Imagine what better place DBD would be if the devs would get rid of them. -
@Kalec84 said:
The only reason i can see the invulnerability on dehook take effect is when a survivor is doing a yolo save, one gets hooked, killer is leaving and another survivor rush to the dave without waiting (yolo save) and the killer hit the hooked survivor during thw unhook animation. The fault is of the unhookng survivor, yet the one punished is the killer.
Ah this is what you mean, fair point.
Well the devs are just holding the survivors hand because apparently BT and bodyblocking is not enough
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@Peasant said:
Since the spirit cannot see bloodstains while haunting you're going to have to rely on three things:- Audio
- Scratchmarks
- The map
Just because you can't see survivors doesn't mean you can't hear them. If the grunts of agony are very loud then swing as you might be on top of the survivors.
Scratchmarks will be a key indicator for novices so get Predator on the Spirit for decent tracking.
Since bloodstains aren't an option some map items are just as good. Things like "Grass, Corn, and Bamboo" move when survivors move through them. The Spirit on Coldwind Farm is very effective because of this fact.
Iron will will become meta now. You cant hear the usual footstep or gras sounds while phase walking because there is a permanent weird loud sound being on top of all the other sounds.
Mostly it will be a 20 sec cd mindgame, thats why many killers complained and gave bad feedback
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@Kalec84 said:
I would like to hear a devs explanation on this topic.
Why are you punishing killers when are survivors doing wrong (yolo saves).
Just a clarification will be ok.The killer isnt punished for yolo saves? How do you mean that?
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@MegaWaffle said:
With how this community is so split I don;t think vote down needs to be brought back.
Also why do you need to push such a negative idea back to the forums. There is no reason to add toxicity in the form of a button press. If you don't agree with a post ignore it and move on.A downvote button is a good ieda because now people gonna shitpost when they disagree with the OP instead of simply pressing the button to show that they disagree
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@Orion said:
@Wolf74 said:
@HookedonDemand said:
The whole gen rushing thing confuses me. Isn't finishing the gens literally the only thing survivors need to do to escape ? Why would they wait, to take in the scenery ? It's like complaining that the killer starts killing right away...
"Gen rush" is the term for the missmatch in time it takes to complete survivor objectives versus killer objectives.
A decent team that knows how to play, will spread out and all jump different gens.
With a single hit taking ~30-40 seconds of chasing plus carrying the victim to the hook, the killer needs AT LEAST 70-90 seconds for the first hook (ofc unless the survivor play stupid).
With gens taking 80 seconds -not including great checks, toolboxes or perks- 3 gens will be done when the killer gets his first hook.
So the survivor did 3/6 of their objectives (5 gens + 1 door), while the killer did…
depends on what you consider a "win" for the killer.
4 k would need 12 objectives done (without camping).
2 k would need 6 to 10 hooks, depending on how much the hooking is spread among the team.
And all this does not consider DS, pallet stuns during pick up or flashlightsaves and bodyblocks or insta heals.
So under the best circumstances the killer (the SINGLE player) has done 1/6 of his objective to win, while the survivor (the TEAM player) have done 3/6 of their objectives.
Do you see the problem now??Be careful, the last time I showed that under the best circumstances for the Killer, chases are still too long, I got a bunch of angry people saying that "not all games" are like that.
Yeah its fine because the imbalance doesnt strike every game. Just DC in these games I guess....
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@gibblywibblywoo said:
gamerx42z said:So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.
The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.
I'd just like an indicator so i know if I can play trapper or not. Swf invalidates him
True, I suggested the BP incentive for SWF ages ago too. But i guess it will never happen, devs are too scared to limit SWF
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@Chi said:
I don't want to get banned, but I also don't want to be at the red ranks anymore.If you DC after I hooked you, I dont care tbh
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@yeet said:
no it just needs to show you when you are the right distance like devour hopeAgreed, survivors see when they are exposed too, so that would only be fair
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Either you grow a thick skin against insults or you better take another break (forever probably)
Harassment is stil popular and occurs regularly because it is not punished -
Surviors already run in front of doc in treatment mode to make it ridiculously hard to hit his shock cone. Remove collision and it will be completely luck determined whether you hit or not.
But yeah why not, we need another killer that can fill the trash slot when fredy gets his rework.
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@Zaije said:
Camping is a legitimate strategy but it can also ruin the game for 4 out of 5 people which is the majority of a match plus it's just boring as a killer. If you're being camped with 5 gens left its frustrating, even if you aren't camped and do gens it's boring playing generator simulator not to mention the lack of benevolent and bold points. Previously the devs had tried slowing or stopping the sacrifice bar if the killer was too close to the hook but was abused by survivors by looping the killer near the hooked person. I believe the devs were headed in the right direction but needed some adjustments. The bar should continue to decrease if the killer is in a chase or if gens are completed.An alternative idea I came up with might work with some tweaks. When a generator is competed it stops all progression on generators and sacrifices for a set amount of time, this slows down the game and gives more incentives for killers to leave the hook and find someone else.
Both could be used together to counter early camping which is the main issue or and slowing down the game in general.
Looping is a legitimate strategy but it can also ruin the game for 1 out of 5 people (guess the killer is the minority, so who cares) plus its just boring for the other 4 survivors runing in circles and wasting time.
If you are being looped with 5 gens left its really frustrating because you know the gentime is ticking in the background. -
Dont try to understand the changes with logic. You wont come very far in this game.
Basically the devs only cater towards the survivors crying about camping etc even though they already got plenty of tools to unhook safely in front of a camping M1 killer. -
@MegaWaffle said:
@MandyTalk said:
Appreciate your patience, the bot does pick up a lot of the spam (it picks up way more than makes it onto the forums) and I appreciate how annoying it is to have to wade through spam posts on the front page, but we really do try to get to them as fast as possible.To be fair if we all just bought college degrees then they wouldn't need to spam.
How do you know that noone bought one?
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There is no difference afaik
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The best thing is when survivors loop the killer in front of the hooked guy.
This is one of the rare cases I actually enjoy runing in circles, might even run a few extra rounds just for the lulz -
Oh nice, I dont have to digg out the link
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@SenzuDuck said:
@HellDescent said:
@gamerx42z said:
So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.
I'm sick of swf. I came up with temporary solution for myself, to blow off some steam. Its in the description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHa6EL3Ls0
This has been addressed so many times but devs refuse to do make it happen.Intentionally playing against new survivors so you can then bully - very admirable of yourself.
Absolute embarrassment, i've seen three killer mains talk about intentionally deranking now, and they're all incredibly vocal about balance. I'd love to speak to the newer players you intend to bully and see if they thinks it's fair and balanced they'll have to play against people who know all the mechanics of the game.Its actually funny, but the new players that get "rekt" actually enjoy these kind of games. They type gg and well played and ask for tipps. I had some really nice conversation and even have some new friends now.
Survivors only feel bullied when they played the game long enough to get entitled to wins, but then cant win.
The only survivors that blamed me for tunneling/camping and the usual stuff were the red rank SWF mates queueing with their low rank plebs to verse low rank killers. Yes, those kind of guys will regret being in my game and I will do everything to kill them
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@gamerx42z said:
So I've been playing on and off for a few months started playing more when it became a plus game. The one thing that's really been bugging me is I often will get matched up with rank 2 SWF groups when I'm a rank 15 killer. Seriously it's happened twice in an hour at this point.The matchmaking is very unbalanced when SWF comes up and they should not be facing killers in the newbie ranks, I'd really like to see an option to opt out of SWF completely. Give killers who opt into SWF double bp or some other incentive maybe.
You can opt out. There is this button called "leave lobby". Dont be afraid to use it, you will find a new lobby in no time
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@scerckan said:
im on ps4 too and playing survivor its a pain in the ass because i would say 6/10 killers internet connection are either garbage or they're playing on the other side of the globe. The lags horrible and it's been messing with a lot of matches lately because that fckin lag happens when you're hiding from the killer behind a tree that barely covers you and bam the lag magically teleports you two steps to the side leaving you on plain sight or in the middle of the chase same thing happens making you crash against walls and trees. they really need to fix that asap.Lagg and framerate are two different things
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Even with a "semi decent" PC you dont get 60 fps all the time.
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@Tsulan said:
They are currently doing a complete overhaul of the report system. But no one knows when it will be launched.My magic sphere predicts 2020-2021 if the game is still alive at this point and hasnt suffocated in toxic excrements
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@meshugganah said:
it will never happen. the first requirment would be to define what is toxic. that will never be agreed upon and thus the conversation is stuck at step 1.If the devs would hand out punishments for people violating the TOS, that would be enough already.
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First try on haddonfield, the most broken map?
Damn those survivors must have been sheeps
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Toxicity is popular in DBD and the devs profit from it.
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@iceman2kx said:
Before the survivors get all salty at the title, let me state this isn't the typical "wah they finished the gens before I could kill them" QQ. So first, let's address what I am referring to when I say "gen rushing" before we hear the typical, "there is no such thing" argument. Gen rushing is when survivors push generators hard from the beginning of the match and multiple gens are completed within a few minutes. This can be caused by the killer lacking pressure on the map or survivors ignoring everything in order to push the gens. As a killer, when I see 3 gens popped in a few minutes, I get a little frustrated and I think, "wow". As a survivor I think, "okay this is good, but I'll get worthless pips and no points." This is one of the reasons I don't particularly care to play survivor often. What fun is pressing M1 on a generator the entire match?Is anyone really wrong for doing this? No, I don't believe so. Survivors are just doing their objective and killers may just be getting looped or inexperienced at patrolling gens. I think what it boils down to is survivors have gotten so good and adapted to this game over the years, it has revealed a huge flaw in this game. It needs to be fixed.
So what is there to do about it right now? Killers have a few perks that can sort of help with this. At best, these perks are like an off brand bandaid and they only benefit the killer. Survivors can stop doing their only objective and purposely run the killer around for chase points, but why on earth would they do that?
There have been some creative solutions mentioned over the past couple months I have played. My favorite is adding more objectives in the game or even different game modes. Unique quest can be added in the map that upon completion, could reward the same benefit as escaping would (BPs/pips) and you could even escape after escaping for an even larger bonus. This is just an example of what can be done and my own personal input.
So, I'd like to finish off my QQ with one last thought. This last game I played. Let me say, the survivors did really well. They were very sneaky, pushed gens quick. As far as doing their objective goes, they almost finished the last gen and were potentially very close to escape.
Unfortunately for them, they made a few minor mistakes that I was able to capitalize on. The point of me posting this pic is to point out that they did do well in hiding from the killer and finishing gens. In my opinion, they were not rewarded enough and this is one of the big problems of gen rushing. It's generally a bad game for everyone, not fun and no one gets points.
Thoughts?
Genrushing is not a thing in the realm where the devs balance the game. Survivors are actually scared in this realm and will move away from gens when they hear heartbeat, they wont stay untli the last second just to zoom away with their sprinburst. Also skillchecks will be failed such that the killer can hinder their progress too.
Loved the old days of DBD, had so much fun with my friends even if we got totally screwed. Nowadays its just a shitshow
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@HP150 said:
@Witchaven said:
@Master said:
No, prevent Dcing in the first place by harsh punishments.btw, all survivors DCing gives the killer 2,5k BP and he loses all addons and offerings, seems fair eh?
Problem with your logic is what if someone crashes as opposed to just rage quiting / dropping, then it's going to punish for something that is out of their hands.
So? Welcome to ranked matches in just about every single online game. It happens once, you get a small punishment but a punishment nonetheless. It happens consistently (say, more than twice a day)? Then that means it's likely something on your end, now take a long (forced) break which will give you time to fix your issue.
Exactly, that is just a poor excuse for survivors that wanna keep ragequitting every 2nd game when they miss their DS
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@Witchaven said:
@Master said:
No, prevent Dcing in the first place by harsh punishments.btw, all survivors DCing gives the killer 2,5k BP and he loses all addons and offerings, seems fair eh?
Problem with your logic is what if someone crashes as opposed to just rage quiting / dropping, then it's going to punish for something that is out of their hands. They give killers blood points for survivors disconnecting, I say do the same for survivors too.
If your internet crashes regularly, you shouldnt be playing a competitive multiplayer game at all.
If you crash rarely you will deal with a small queue time punishment, hell your punishment time will almost be over until you are back in the game.
I am sick of these excuses "punish for sth out of your hand", you get puinshed in any other competitive game for that too and I never see people crying about that.Killer gets 2,5k BP if all survivors DC, he loses ALL addons and offerings. Even a single common addon is more expensive
