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@Seanzu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2732701#Comment_2732701
Where did I tell you not to be racist, I said "Simply don't be racist or defend racists", that's the answer to all this racism, but you are basically defending racists by telling black people what they should do instead of telling the racists what they should do.
Yea why don't we all make donations? That WOULD be far more productive than crying on a forum about 4 dumb free cosmetics or telling black people not to tell others they stream, lmao.
When you reply to someone "simply dont be x" you're implying they are x. Me telling you how to not get stream sniped, is not me defending racists.
I'm not making donations because I have a full time job which I need to pay for actual things, like surgeries, that's why first world problems on the internet aren't really important to me.
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@Fantasy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2732694#Comment_2732694
When you're pulling a fair amount of viewers you aren't exactly hard to find on twitch.
The few people who complained about it are really small content creators tho.
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@Seanzu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2732694#Comment_2732694
A lot people know I stream even without TTVs etc, especially bigger content creators why should they have to change their name or something so RACISTS don't abuse them?
Simply don't be racist and don't defend racists, it's not on black people to hide their links or name so they aren't targeted.
Instead of telling me to not be racist or defend racists, when I'm not racist and I'm not defending anyone, why don't you go and give your stream donations and sub donations to a charity that helps minority? Way more productive to do so then act like you care on an online forum.
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@Fantasy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2732676#Comment_2732676
It's not that hard to stream-snipe.
It is, just don't put TTV in your name, and if you're on steam, dont put the link in your bio. How difficult can that be?
I've streamed before and when I got tired of being targeted for having TTV in my name, I just, removed it.... took me 3 seconds to do so.
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"They don't ban unless".... should have stopped at "they don't ban".
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@CyberDragoon656 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2731138#Comment_2731138
You didn't its just my answer to the numerous forums saying "survivor needs buffs", "Killers need to be punished for camping", "This game is balanced" even though its not and so on
Which forums? Would love to join
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Free things, in this economy?
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@Sakurra said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2728740#Comment_2728740
Because we have paid for this game. And because why not? "Ruin" you say lol. We should camp and tunnel instead. Right.
Imagine paying for a game to just stand afk... quite a life!
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@Saitamfed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730700#Comment_2730700
Is there actual evidence about racism? Because LF is a player easy to camp with and those who've been asking to remove the mask was a "Oh, I was Claudette/Adam/ David" and a LF tunneled/camped me... and that's not really evidence because almost every LF camps and tunnel, those players in those threads never had any evidence that has proven their point.
The "evidence" is them saying "this has happened to this and that content creator" usually not mentioning any names. There was even someone who admitted that they just assume the bubba with the mask is doing to be racist because they got facecamped/hit on hook and whatever else.
I have yet to see a video where an actual person gets targeted by a bubba with that mask and be told in end game chat that it was because of the color of their skin.
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@TragicSolitude said:
Why the hell can't I keep my Meg mask? I really like that one. What did Meg's mask ever do to anyone?
Imo that one was the best one. I really liked how it looked like he had lipstick on. It was underrated.
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"Wake Up - Who cares.", excuse me?
But I do have to agree all these changes are quite meh.
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@DemonDaddy said:
If there is proof enough to take this action then punish the players, don't take something away from the rest of us after we put the time in to earn it.
The thing is, there isn't enough proof. A lot of the examples that are showcased every time this issue is talked about (always by the same people, mind you), is people who dc when they see the player using the mask, because they get offended by it. Also people who think that just because the killer is using that mask and is facecamping, they assume the killer is doing it because they're racist.
It's just assumptions after assumptions with no actual evidence.
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@KolbyKolbyKolby said:
"You're just giving those people what they want."
Like a gameplay experience with a little less racism? That's probably the intention
Yea, they'll just stop facecamping with that mask to just call you the n-word in post game chat. So much for less racism.
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I literally rolled my eyes at that one. Might as well just save the trouble and don't "buff" it. It's laughable at best. Useless perk, stays just as useless, but hey at least they can say they "buffed" it.
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@KolbyKolbyKolby said:
It removes a tool used for racist behavior.
If you had neighbors that hated you and they kept vandalizing your car overnight by throwing eggs out of the basket of eggs you keep on your front lawn, removing the basket of eggs you keep on your front lawn probably wouldn't stop it all together, but it would remove a method they use to do it. That's the point.
Limiting ways people can cause harm to others is important as well.
Isnt end game chat also a tool for racist behavior though? Why does it have such a crappy censure system that doesnt work half the time?
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@BenihimeWrath said:
I'll be honest, I've never seen a single one of the earnable bubba cosmetics, ever in my whole time playing.
I strongly question anybody that says they've run into 'so many' bubbas wearing claudette's face to be racist.
I have 5k hours and I've seen it like 20 times at best.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730456#Comment_2730456
If you remember I did actully ask to avoid having this discussion with you because, as I said, we'd had it before and got nowhere. Yet you persisted in replying so that's what it came to 🤷
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The reason I've used the world irrelevant a lot is because you keep bringing up topics that are besides the point:
- The Pride Charm
- Coulrophobia
- Freddy's appearance
- Freddy's lore
We weren't discussing those things and they aren't an accurate comparison so yeah, I think irrelevant is a fitting word.
Just because we aren't discussing those things doesn't mean they cant be comparable to the situation. You are bringing a complete different topic to my thread than it was intended.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730428#Comment_2730428
Yes I did, mixed into the sentece. Because they're related to the wider sentence and my point was about the bigger picture, not specifically one or the other aspect.
Yet you chose to focus in on those ones and raise a point about them which wasn't related to what I was actually saying.
Yes, you're correct that facecamping doesn't make someone racist. But I wasn't saying that so it's irrelevant.
Facecamping and stream sniping don't add anything else that slurs already don't,
You like to use the word irrelevant a lot when someone makes a point that you don't want to discuss. WHy not go argue with someone with more ReLeVaNt comments?
Because I feel like you comment just to try to push your opinion on others, not really to contribute anything to the topic at hand, which is an actual way to end a lot of the harassment, by improving the chat feature....
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730402#Comment_2730402
Why are you so insistent on taking snippets of what I'm saying and missing the overall point. Look at the wider context of the sentence. Please tell me where I said stream sniping and facecamping make someone racist? Where did I say they were agaisnt the rules? Nowhere.
The sentence AS A WHOLE was: "Content creators were being repeatedly stream sniped, facecamped, having slurs thrown at them etc by people using those masks because of their resemblance to blackface and asian-fishing respectively." I was explaining the overall experience faced by POC streamers. Stop picking and choosing which parts you think are easiest to dismantle.
You gave those 2 examples mixed with calling people slurs, when replying to someone how the masks were adding to harassment.
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@YuisPinkBob said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730260#Comment_2730260
You have tried to derail this thread multiple times by bringing up random, unrelated topics like coulrophobia and paedophilia.
You are actively trying to take the focus away from the harm that Leatherface's masks created by refusing to accept that they needed to go and by constantly attempting to make the decision seem absurd and unreasonable by equating it to things that are completely unrelated to it.
I'm not derailing anything by giving examples of how removing masks fixes nothing.
Idc if they're gone, I'm saying the devs are lazy on how they address harassment.
You know just because you don't agree with someone else, doesn't make them a racist right? Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a racist is pathetic.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730353#Comment_2730353
No it's irrelevant because we're talking about racism and the LF cosmetics specifically and yet you keep making this about Pride Charms, Freddy etc.
You're deflecting away from what's actually being said with examples that aren't really equivalent.
It's only irrelevant when it doesn't fit the narrative that you're trying to present, get it. This is obviously not going anywhere.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730303#Comment_2730303
People were equipping the Smartface and Survivorface masks and using them to target and bully POC streamers. Content creators were being repeatedly stream sniped, facecamped, having slurs thrown at them etc by people using those masks because of their resemblance to blackface and asian-fishing respectively.
Stream sniping, facecamping isn't against any rules and doing those things doesn't make someone racist. Throwing insults at them, yea, pretty racist, but you know that's an end game chat issue, not a mask issue.
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@Dino7281 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730345#Comment_2730345
You mean that each player could create a list of things that would get censured?
I am not saying to just disable it. I would just want to see an option in settings to either limit / disable chat.
We could have:
-original
-filtered
-disabled
Either players adding them, or BHVR adding obvious ones.
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@Dino7281 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730334#Comment_2730334
I don't really get that change to be honest.
I mean, they are still going to do it, just looking different...
Or they will get that meaning from different cosmetic.
Yes, they are still going to do it, that's why I made this thread since I think it was a really low effort way of removing certain types of harassment.
Sure, they cant facecamp you with a smartface anymore, but they'll still call you the n word in chat. Nothing solved, at all.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730306#Comment_2730306
What question? The irrelevant one about Freddy?
Since you're so desperate for a response then sure. Someone's personal health comes before a video game. ALWAYS. If that means they need to avoid a certain character because it bring up trauma for them then so be it. I couldn't care less; people should do what's best for their wellbeing. I'll ALWAYS stand for that.
Is it irrelevant because you don't like how your answer could also be applied to other things that might upset people?
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730324#Comment_2730324
A phobia of clowns is not the same as racist players bullying and harassing streamers. What...
I wasn't comparing the phobia of clowns to racism, I'm sorry that you read it that way.
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@Dino7281 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730300#Comment_2730300
Hey, they have it in mtg Arena. I actually hate it.
I always loved to talk with other side in most games.Yeah, sometimes you get toxic morons who don't understand what happened during game at all, or entitled kids, but you sometimes get wholesome survivors where it's fun or interesting to talk with them about your game.
I wouldn't want to miss that. That's why I would rather see just an option to disable chat. If you don't want to deal with it, then just don't. I think it's weird that it wasn't implemented yet.
I don't think disabling it all together should be the best option.
Imo, actually adding words MANUALLY to the censure system, instead of it being automated, would do wonders.
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@Zolfo16 said:
But, may i ask, what happened exactly? For having the masks removed?
People were getting offended because Leatherface has a mask with Claudettes face and some people might have been using it to be racist and target people of color.
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@Laluzi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730225#Comment_2730225
I mean, if it genuinely bothered them, yeah? You don't ######### around with trauma. It's not something that someone needs to justify.
DCing against X because of legitimate personal reasons isn't a big issue in the grand scheme of things. I remember hearing about someone who DCed when they loaded into Midwich because they had PTSD triggered by air raid siren sound that plays at the start and the exit gates. Can't fault anyone for that.
Thanks for not being afraid to reply to my question, I genuinely curious.
I agree that dcing against things that make them uncomfortable is fine, but I also think that people shouldnt set themselves for failure when they know a game has themes that might upset them.
Example, if I have a phobia of clowns, knowing this game has a clown, should I queue and just hope that I dont have to dc if I go against one?
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730257#Comment_2730257
I've seen the remake 3 times. I'm a huge horror fan so I'm familar with Freddy's backstory.
You're connecting completely unrelated dots here. We're discussing the LF masks and racism and you're repeatedly making it about things it's not (e.g. the pride flags, Freddy).
You still havent replied to me, why are you dodging my question?
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@Dino7281 said:
Or just create option to permanently disable chat instead?
And prevent flashlight macros
I think at this point a chat with just click and point option for text would be better,
Like things say gg wp and whatever else. That could also replace the thumbs up and down feature, which is useless.
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@OceanMan said:
Removing the masks will not remove the racists or the harassers. Surely adding a Streamer mode/queue would be a REAL solution to stop targeted harassments and prevent hate stream snipers. BHVR is doing basically nothing while pretending they have ended racism.
It's more visible to remove the masks than to actually ban players who are racist, so it looks better on social media for some virtue signaling, while the harassment is still going on.
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@HeyItsQuiet said:
I'm on console so have luckily been spared the wasteland of post-game chat, but I've seen so many Reddit posts about things like Myers being censored that it does warrant at least a rework. Also have seen censored words work differently for different players within the same post-game chat, so... It obviously doesn't work as intended, even without the slurs.
Sometimes words get censured, another times they don't. Just simple words can get censured. It's automated and it's garbage.
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@Brokenbones said:
"Use the report feature" is about the only response you'll get
The only way people get banned for chat harrassment is report tickets, I'm p sure
Same with cheaters
Aka an useless feature which is more of an headache than an actual solution since I'm pretty sure a lot still don't get banned.
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@YuisPinkBob said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730225#Comment_2730225
Don't you just love it when people pull out a completely unrelated topic to try to justify racism and racist behaviours.
Where did I justify racism? Quote me on that please, or get lost.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730225#Comment_2730225
Remind me where Freddy being a pedophile is visible in game in the same way LF's masks are.
The reason remake Freddy was burnt was because he abused kids, so I'm pretty sure just by looking at him you can get reminded of that. So again, should people DC because looking at Freddy reminds them of child abuse?
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730145#Comment_2730145
I don't think it's unreasonable to disconnect against a character wearing a cosmetic that is an unpleasant reminder of very real and very harmful racism. Even if the LF is just wearing it as a cosmetic and isn't racist, it's still something reminiscent of blackface which I'd imagine is very difficult to see as a black player.
Should players also DC against Freddy because pedophilia makes them uncomfortable?
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The same reason when they nerfed Billy's and Freddy's basekit when no one asked.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730039#Comment_2730039
It's a lot of the same people, they will stream snipe POC to do it exclusively to them, and through reports of other POC and non-POC it's very obvious it's happening only to them. But people can continue to buy accounts and keep doing it, so outside of changing the masks to accessories which would require far more negotiations this is the best case scenario.
It isn't about stopping racism, it's about taking away one of the tools.
So, if they don't outright say it, people are just making assumptions. Sure, maybe they are doing that, I wouldn't doubt it, but it's still just an assumption.
That's the problem I have with it. It's fine to remove things based on assumptions, but when people are targeting minorities, in a very direct way, in chat, a lot don't even get banned, even less perma banned. And I know this because being part of a minority myself and having crossplay off, I see a lot of the same people in my lobbies, and they're still there, even after being reported, with proof.
I know moderators like to say that they do ban, but from seeing it personally, they do not ban all of them who get reported.
I feel like it's just a lazy way to deal with the situation, than to actually have to do some work about it, by banning people who bluntly target minority groups in chat.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2730019#Comment_2730019
When they camp exclusively POC and go out of their way to do it exclusively to POC over several occasions yes.
Where is the proof that that person is exclusively camping PoC? Wouldnt they have to say it in end game chat?
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2729976#Comment_2729976
I don't think this requires an explanation.
Yes, it does. You either have one or you dont.
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I'd rather someone type it here in a resumed way than having to watch a video 36 minute video ngl.
So I'll just make a simple question:
Is someone using the smartface mask and facecamping a PoC considered racist?
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@AhoyWolf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/303137/whats-going-on-with-bubba
Yes, they are going to be removed, some people were being racist and used the mask to promote their racism even more, even tho the removal of the mask won't remove the racist players...
It's less work to remove a mask that isnt itself racist than actually banning people being racist in end game chat.
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@thrawn3054 said:
They were banning people for this. The problem is you can't get them all. They elected to remove the thing giving them the option to behave in an awful manner.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2729712#Comment_2729712
Is it guaranteed to work? No, but it can't hurt. As I said in another thread if it stops it happening once it's worth it to me.
The thing giving them the option to behave in an awful manner is post game chat. Why isn't it getting removed?
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2729954#Comment_2729954
I know you're responding to @GoodBoyKaru in the top portion but I feel the need to reply. You're misunderstanding. People aren't offended that a POC face mask simply "exists". People are upset being it's being used as a tool by racist players to harass and bully POC content creators. Which, I'm sure you'd agree, isn't okay.
It isn't a good look to single out only one race from a PR standpoint. It's better to remove all of them rather then exclude the two masks.
As for the deli meat, apologies for misunderstanding. I don't eat meat so I wouldn't get the reference.
Can you please explain how it was used to harass PoC players?
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@Tdbrown50 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2729904#Comment_2729904
I DON’T CARE!!Isnt that obvious?!!I want to make it as boring as possible with as little bp as possible.I want to waste as much of their time as possible.Them getting gens and going out the gate is the least of my concern.
You care enough to be so salty to reply to me in caps lock when I wasnt even talking to you. Calm down buddy, dont have a stroke.
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@CyberDragoon656 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2729851#Comment_2729851
Well I should be asking the same thing about anyone who wants it to be easy mode too.
also maybe someone is and just has this on in the background to deal with the mmr bullshit.
Youre giving them easy mode by going afk.
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@Veinslay said:
I've had LGBTQ and PoC streamers wearing the pride charm call me trash and tell me to kill myself on their stream for camping them during the end game collapse. Can we get rid of that charm too?
They were ######### because they're trash people not because they're lgbt or poc.
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@CyberDragoon656 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2729707#Comment_2729707
When did it become the killer's job to make the game fun for survivors? It a pvp game and with the way both the devs and normal mentality of the game it is leading to where no one gives a ######### about the other team.
If you dont give a f and just want to afk in a game why dont you go play something else?
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2729721#Comment_2729721
Literally all of the people making comments about how the the faces should've remained even though they KNOW that they were being used as a tool to harass and bully POC streamers.
IMO being complacent when blatant racism is happening is just as bad.
A few people being harassed is different than the mask only being used by racists. Smart Face Bubba facecamping you? Doesn't mean they're doing it to be racist, maybe they facecamp everyone.
Should we also remove the LGBT charm because I've been called a F slur in end game chat for using it? I dont think so, because I'll still be called a F slur with it in the game or not.
If people want to target minorities in the game, they will do it regardless of charms, masks, or whatever the f.
What they should be doing is banning people who actually use slurs and hateful messages in post game chat, which happens quite a lot.