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@Dokta_Carter said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108733#Comment_4108733
"Back in my day the only tracking perk was BBQ ya young bloods don't understand what the other sp called tracking perks were l- ooo someone's in my basement territory value"
Don't ask where this came from I know not why my lexicon said to type this
We walked uphill both ways...
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@Rokku_Rorru said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108658#Comment_4108658
thats a thing with friends to the end rn anyways, no difference
They HAVE released others tracking perks that have other activation requirements though. Back in the day, you could basically assume everyone was running BBQ. Even if they're running Friends like you mentioned, your not assuming anything since it basically announces itself to the 1 person its effecting.
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108708#Comment_4108708
I can think of multiple different power ideas one could give the T-800.
- The Infrared Optics/Termo-vision of the T-800 that we see in Terminator 1, which can be used information gathering of objects and other stuff around the map, as well as for tracking the Survivors accurately.
- The fact that its an infiltration unit, means you can do something stealth related with it. Such as having the T-800 start with its human disguise and be undetectable. Then as the trial progresses, the more it gets stunned, the more of it gets damaged. Which causes it to lose more and more of its skin & tissue of its human disguise, and its terror radius increases everytime. Until in the end, only the metal body of the T-800 is left. Just like in Terminator 1.
- An ability akin to Judgment's Hopeless Exile, the void subrealm of Haunted by Daylight & Dredge's Nightfall meter. Where once the progress bar around the Survivors are full, everyone including the T-800 gets temporarily teleported to the future battlefield of Los Angeles of the year 2029, where no generators can be repaired and the area is filled with map hazards and other bad things that can damage Survivors. Survivors must escape by either finding and entering a time displacement machine to return back to the trial grounds, regardless of which health state they're in, or get hooked by the T-800 in the area itself, where they will then automatically return back.
- A mode that the T-800 can enter by fulfilling certain requirements, which would function similarly to Singularity's overclock mode, but not entirely.
- Having the T-800 be able to request assistance from Skynet, by having it send other Terminators to the trial as support units. Where the T-800 can give them different commands to aid it, and if Survivors gets too close to the support units, they will start chase after the Survivors. However in return, Survivors can destroy the support units by stunning them.
T-1000 may have a more clear cut power, but if it ain't the T-800, then i don't want it.
Im sorry... i was full on reading this until I got to "the future battlefield of Los Angeles of 2029. That made me laugh too hard. Older movies dates for the future really dont age well.
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108714#Comment_4108714
I guess our experiences differ. I've submitted tickets before for various reasons (with clear proof) and they almost always got banned for it.
This was a little while ago though so maybe its gotten worse since then?
I got a giggle cuz when I did a search for the chat logs post, THIS was the first thing I stumbled across. The person posting this said it was their first game and its abit more than "you only won cuz of a perk".
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108700#Comment_4108700
I never meant to imply slurs and such were allowed, I'm saying a degree of 'trash talk' is allowed, which is like the example I put in my post.
The stuff with slurs yeah they have logs but I think if you do a proper report with proof, it's a guaranteed ban. Their ban system I believe is an escalating one so the more a person gets banned the longer it gets (Outside of permanent ban offenses like cheating etc).
Here's about the chat logs too...
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108700#Comment_4108700
I never meant to imply slurs and such were allowed, I'm saying a degree of 'trash talk' is allowed, which is like the example I put in my post.
The stuff with slurs yeah they have logs but I think if you do a proper report with proof, it's a guaranteed ban. Their ban system I believe is an escalating one so the more a person gets banned the longer it gets (Outside of permanent ban offenses like cheating etc).
Nah, they should make that harsher. You have way too many people feeling way too comfortable saying all sorts of crap because nothing happens to them.
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108698#Comment_4108698
I'm pretty sure a certain degree of "trash talk" is allowed though (FYI not condoning it)
Like saying something like "wow carried by broken survivor perk/killer power" and stuff like that. Insults/slurs do get people banned as long as its reported with proof (Which is time consuming unfortunately)
"Proof" is needed for stuff happening in the match, the chats on the other hand are all easy for them to see. Chat abuse is one of the buttons on the report menu for a reason, so no... i dont think slurs and such is allowed.
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@Brokenbones said:
What can they honestly do about it?
Tell people that it's unreasonable to get so angry about your preferred role in the game? Both sides would metaphorically set BHVR on fire for even implying that, nevermind outright saying that.
Tell their content creators to not promote/engage with it? People will cry censorship/call them biased and so on.
Ironically the only people who can fix it, is us, the players and we've made it abundantly clear we don't really care to.
For every 1 person who tries to see it that way there's 100 others who think the game is slanted to one side and the other is full of toxic sweaty and so on and so forth. Simply having an opinion that doesn't align with someone else's experiences makes you wrong and probably biased, "you don't play survivor you don't play killer".
They can start by actually banning the people filling the endgame chat with insults and slurs. I feel like if they even did a 1 week ban for that... ppl would stop.
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@Nicholas said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108682#Comment_4108682
Your 'entire point' keeps changing because your arguments keep falling apart. My original point hasn't changed: no one wants to play Survivor, and Killer is more appealing and fun. Now your last resort is arguing the semantics of 'fun' versus 'balance.'
You're wrong again, and your 10-second generator example proves it: u cannot separate game balance from the gameplay experience. You are looking at a spreadsheet of escape rates and calling the game 'balanced,' completely ignoring that the mechanics required to get those escapes are so miserable that hardly anyone wants to play the role.
If 80% of the roles in a match are so unappealing that the devs have to offer massive incentives even with 10s queue times just to get people to endure it, your game isn't balanced. You've conceded on the data, the queues, and the fun. You're just arguing definitions now because you lost the debate, and there is no point in continuing this if you're just going to keep shifting the goalposts.
Meanwhile, Killers are still waiting 40 minutes just to play. Speaking of which, the wait is so long that when I queued 35 minutes ago I wanted to play The Trapper, and now I want to play The Spirit but cannot switch lol
Please link any post in which my point WASNT "dont conflate balance to queue times". Ill wait. My point has been this entire time that balance has very little to do with the 2v8 queue times. I brought up kills and escapes purely because its something each individual person can look at themselves comparing their own 1v4 stats to their own 2v8 stats and seeing they arnt dying way more in 2v8.
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@Nicholas said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108654#Comment_4108654
You already conceded my original point: 2v8 Killer is more fun. But your pivot to personal escape rates and assumptions doesn't save your argument—it actually breaks it completely.
You said you 'think its much more likely' players are doing exactly what you do: playing two Survivor matches via PWYW just to get one Killer match. That is an assumption, not a fact. But let's look at the math if you're right. If the massive pool of waiting Killers is doing double duty to fill Survivor lobbies artificially, and the Killer queue still takes 40 minutes... it means the dedicated Survivor population has practically vanished. Killers are literally subsidizing the Survivor queues, and it's still not enough to fix the bottleneck. If playing Survivor was actually desirable, the game wouldn't need Killers on a 40-minute layover to populate its lobbies. Personally, Survivor is so unappealing right now that I would rather sit in that long queue doing other stuff than use PWYW to play it.
Your escape rate logic contradicts your own conclusion. Think about what you just argued: Survivors are escaping more in 2v8. If Survivors are winning more often, yet the game still has to use PWYW and massive Bloodpoint incentives to fill lobbies, that is the ultimate proof the role is in a terrible state. It means Survivor is so unappealing right now that people don't even want to play it when they are actively winning and getting massive BPs.
I also never said STRONGER, I said more appealing and fun. As I said from the start: the queues don't lie.
My entire point this whole time was about conflating queue times to balance. You can look at escape/kill rates as a decent indicator to balance, but queue times alone just means its more fun. If they made the gens only take 10 seconds, you'd drastically change the balance without ever making the role more fun.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108663#Comment_4108663
First, I'm saying it's gotten worse for me since the system migrated to 1v4. Second, there's a difference between people who are immediately being terrors for no discernible reason—like the thrower teammate I had a couple weeks ago running No Mither and Self Care—and someone who's fustrated because they went down 30s into the match and have immediately lost hope. I think there's a pretty firm distinction between people loading in to grief and people being unhappy about how the match is going. That's one of the things we've talked about here, the hopeless state of many matches just a minute or two in. That's how the three people in that clip probably felt, versus the Nea that made then feel that way.
I can definitely sympathize for the 3 ppl in the clip. I've seen my fair share of ppl who ragequit after I get a gengrab as Pig at the start of a match. It quickly sours the mood. That being said... Who tf looks at a 5 minute queue and says "let's join as a survivor and ruin a match real quick"? If someone is doing that, thats insane.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108648#Comment_4108648
I'm not really worried about 2v8. It's idiot mode. But some behavior is more obviously reportable than others. If I'm in a cage and I see two people in a corner spam crouching repeatedly is that reportable? Is opening 20 chests and never touching a gen reportable? Leaving me to die in a cage on one hook? Things like blocking a cage are obvious but the mode is so full of stupidity I wouldn't even know how they could assess it.
1v4 is my concern. This was one of the ones I had recently:
https://youtu.be/MY0rll0KUjo?is=-hWYOQwTNbMwaX7j
The Nea just started tbagging me at match start, went down, everyone knew she was throwing and gave up. 4k at 5 gens and oh so much fun for everyone. In the same session I had a Mikaela running only Circle of Healing who would hide behind a rock every time I came by and when I'd find her she'd either just stand there and look at me or she'd slowly walk away.
I do usually report people like this but does it do anything? Bans for griefing happen. I'm 100% on that. But how often, I dont know. I just don't want to see so much of it. It's one of many reasons I almost never soloq anymore.
I dont think that has much to do with PWYW. Theres been posts and videos about players throwing matches forever... way before PWYW was ever thought up. It was a major reason why the self unhook option was mostly removed.
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@Nicholas said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108642#Comment_4108642
Steam Charts only track who has the game open, not what queue they are choosing on one of five platforms. But even if we use your exact interpretation, that player counts are stable and Survivor players are simply migrating to the Killer queue, it completely proves my point.
Players don't migrate to longer queues just to be miserable. The fact that veteran Survivor mains are willing to wait 40 minutes in massive lines just to play duo-Killer, and that Killers are flooding the event, proves exactly what I originally said: the Killer experience is currently much more fun and appealing than playing Survivor right now. And no one wants to play Survivor, including Survivor mains. That is a combination of fun and balance.I'll agree the killer experience is fun. Im a killer main for a reason, lol. Being able to swap between several killers and enjoy different experiences is what brought me to that role to begin with and I personally am OK with playing alone. Thats not the same with everyone though. Many people play survivor specifically because its the only role they can play with their friends.
No, I dont think the survivor players are joining a super long killer queue and just sitting there for 40 minutes. I think its much more likely they're doing what Im doing lately with using the PWYW feature to play survivor twice before hopping in their killer game.
You can make the argument all day that the survivor role isn't fun and thats why people prefer queuing for 2v8 killer. I wouldn't disagree with you that 2v8 killer is more fun. The part im disagreeing with is that the killer role is more popular because 2v8 killer is STRONGER than normal. Personally, my 2v8 survivor games have MORE escapes than my 1v4 survivor games, not less. Link your stats on 1v4 and 2v8 survivor really quick to compare the results of the same player.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108639#Comment_4108639
Not sure how a theory can be in bad faith, nor do I know what my bad faith goal would be in this case, but there are mains just in this forum alone that vehemently hate the role they don't like. They treat the two sides like warring religions. We've even had some killer mains say they actively try to get their teammates killed when they play survivor and that they think it's funny. I see it in my killer matches too, people who are intentionally causing problems for no obvious reason, often resulting in whole teams giving up. Do I know they're killer mains? No. But I've simply seen more of it since the system came to 1v4. My last session had two of these people in different matches. If the killer queue is only five minutes you can easily troll for 10k blood points and be in your killer lobby faster. Free points and spreading some chaos is probably better to some than waiting. Acting like this community is full of angels who would never cause problems is just unrealistic.
If you have people who are actively sabotaging their team, you should just report them for griefing. I DO agree the PWYW feature is probably causing more people to queue for killer who would otherwise not wanna deal with the longer queue time. I dont think that in itself is an issue. Playing 2 matches of survivor, then playing my killer match has been the norm for me this time around. If you have people trolling and doing stuff like pulling every pallet on the map down... report them. I feel like alot of issues stem from BHVR being way too lax with dealing out bans when its appropriate and the losing the playerbase's trust about it.
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@Nicholas said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108586#Comment_4108586
You need to stop conflating that everyone being so eager to play killer with a friend is the issue! Do you have statistics or information that verifies this claim? I also disagree with your opinion, because if getting a kill were nearly impossible in this mode, no one would play it. Killer is easy, and more fun than Survivor in this mode. And the queues reflect that reality.
The stats is actually the easiest part to collect. All you have to do is look at the difference in queue times before and during 2v8. The only thing that would realistically cause both 1v4 and 2v8 killer queues to jump up like this without any balance change is if people who normally would be in the 1v4 survivor queue to instead join the 2v8 killer queue. For many ppl, SWF is a major reason they even play DBD. They like to play with their friends.
We can see the number of players didnt go DOWN from players leaving during the event, so coming to the conclusion the players are joining a different queue isn't hard.
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@GroovieAshes said:
Honestly, every time I play against him, he does okay.
Slow starting game but you can build around that. People will run into your traps.
At the high end of play obviously he is weak but in an average Solo que, he's not bad.
I still feel like it wouldn't exactly be a bad idea to give him his traps upfront. The only reason why I could see a reason for the current idea of the traps being all over the place in random spots is for certain addons like Iri stone.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108597#Comment_4108597
Am I seeing this right? Have you only ever played 7 hours of survivor across all 2v8 iterations? That is surprisingly low.
I have about the same ER as you for this iteration. Still having a bad time, and it's also lower than my norm of 50-60%.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108607#Comment_4108607
I think pwyw has done a lot of harm. I believe a lot of the bs I've seen in my matches can be attributed to farming killer mains who don't care about the survivor experience. It would explain the absolute uselessness of many of my 2v8 teammates, as well as the bizarre instances of immediate throwing and trolling I've had an increasing amount of in 1v4 since they added the feature. It's necessary for 2v8, I guess, but I'd like to see it gone from 1v4.
I think that's why BHVR went kind of crazy with the abandon options as a way to try and make that less awful without having to address core issues in the game.
Which is why I hate the feature. It's a get out of jail free card for BHVR. Why deal with issues when you can just let people leave for damn near anything?
I just thought that with the up coming survivor commands it would be funny if one of them was 'please don't give up, we still have a chance.'
God, this would be so bleak.
I dont play all 2v8 iterations and I take breaks from the game as a whole. I recently came back from a break spanning like 8 months. It really helps with maintaining any semblance of fun when your not forcing yourself to ready up when your feeling miserable from the previous matches.
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@Mikeadatrix said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108614#Comment_4108614
Oh 1000%, I'm just thinking gameplay-wise the T1000 feels more fitting for DBD but you are spot on that T1 has a sci-fi slasher vibe too that was unfortunately lost almost immediately after T1 and parts of T2.
I feel like most of it is because every movie after T1 had a terminator as a protagonist. You feel a whole lot more exposed when the guardian character is just some guy named Kyle.
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@crogers271 said:
After last year I'm worried about anything BHVR announces until they give us details.
I really dislike the 'we're going to fix this down the line' - okay, how? If you don't have that worked out yet, don't hype us on it, if you do have it worked out, tell us so you can get feedback.
I feel like it would be different if BHVR had a good reputation at making changes/fixes in a reasonable time span. Saying your putting something on the back burner is fine if stuff only stays back there for MAYBE afew months, but with BHVR... its often times multiple years which just gives the impression that they're saying that hoping you eventually forget about it.
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@Mikeadatrix said:
T-1000 definitely feels more DBD coded than the T-800 despite Arnold, I just wish BHVR did more non-human survs because an intentionally gimped T-800 (T2) would be a great way to have Arnie in DBD, but maybe they're saving him for Dutch.
I feel like T1 had more of a "horror" theme going for it than basically every Terminator movie after that. The franchise essentially became sci-fi/action rather than scifi/ horror.
That being said... T1000 really opens up what they can do for cosmetics and abilities.
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@crogers271 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108430#Comment_4108430
Once you have at least a couple thousand hours invested the trajectory pattern becomes very visible and you know when a survivor match is lost almost immediately. I'm just so tired of thinking about the hatch a minute into a match.Agree on that this is one of the big issues on the survivor side. My complaint about being survivor is not per se the difficulty difference (though that's not great), its that the killer has 'won' and we're all still stuck in the game. I think that's why BHVR went kind of crazy with the abandon options as a way to try and make that less awful without having to address core issues in the game.
I don't think it takes that long to figure out though, which is one of the likely problems with longer term player retention. If anything, I think survivors learn this lesson quickly, and perhaps learn it too well, causing them to give up matches way too quickly.
I just thought that with the up coming survivor commands it would be funny if one of them was 'please don't give up, we still have a chance.'
I've seen more and more people feeling that way and I don't know how the game can sustain it.At the current rate of queue times, killers also being the survivor players would basically be a given.
I suppose its not out of the question that longer term survivors break into two pools - SWFs and soloq that is killers waiting for their next killer game.
Unfortunately you have people who have drastically differing opinions on when a game is unwinnable and not worth playing out. When you have a teammate dead at 5 gens... you're probably not getting those gens finished. On the other hand, calling it quits after the first down is way too early to come to that conclusion.
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The killer turning into different survivors and using those cosmetics for the mori is a cool idea. Not sure how viable it would really be though since they'd have to set up the skeleton rigging for every survivor model to move correctly.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108586#Comment_4108586
Balance and a good experience are two different things. Even if the mode could be called survivor-sided the lack of matchmaking and killers on comms make it very unfun much of the time. I don't know what rocks all these trolls playing survivor slither out from when this mode rolls back out but a huge chunk of the people I've had the misfortune to play with have been so abysmally useless that the balance doesn't matter. They're opening chests, cleansing totems, and crouching behind rocks. A good chunk of my escapes in the few matches I dragged myself through were hatch. On top of that I often get to make it to the end just to get a minute of BMing from two killers. 3.5x is not enough to make me do more than a handful of that garbage.
"Im not having fun" is completely valid. Fun CAN be affected by balance, but often times its its own thing. Personally, I've been queuing up as TRAPPER. I get a nice dopamine hit everytime my Wraith teammate stirs up the survivor team and I hear the snap of a trap across the map. Its not exactly the strongest most optimal thing ever, but im having fun.
I've been playing roughly 2 survivor games for every 1 killer game with the play as you wait system and still having fun. Its been really nice for clearing out my challenges on both sides as well.
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@Nicholas said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4107914#Comment_4107914
That's what Killer mains claim, but I guess not, because no one wants to play Survivor in 2v8. Survivor is 10s + 3.5x, Killer is 40 min for me.
They could completely butcher any resemblance of balance in 2v8 and people would still wanna queue up with the only gamemode that lets you play killer with a friend. You have GOT to stop conflating queue times with balance.
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@Your_Dad_Playing_DbD said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108357#Comment_4108357
Yeah I couldn’t read that at all
Edit: looks like OP fixed it
Oh thats MUCH better
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@DodoSwarm said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108426#Comment_4108426
Behaviour has a ton of problems don't get me wrong but they did not "Create" that space. they have a simple chat function and even a filter and people are in those pictures purposefully avoiding the filters.
They for some reason are really slow on bans. I can understand ignoring reports about camping, but the obvious chat reports like this should really be an easy ban.
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Im probably keeping it on... but I doubt itll change anything for me. Bond is my most used survivor perk, so between that and the UI I generally already know what my team is doing.
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@Yamalive said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108393#Comment_4108393
But is has not the same effect, cause killers have priority on basicly every action. If youre playing with high ping as survivor it hurts yourself more than anything.
In some ways... I've had survivors that are just teleporting around though. That makes it hard to even M1 someone in a deadzone.
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@AliceNull said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108405#Comment_4108405
Ooh, yeah, I can see why. Your only real options are to either book it for the stairwell checkspot before he shows up or, if you're at least in the hallway, be one of the 5 people who remember that upstairs has that third window that drops into actual tiles (not that anyone can be blamed for forgetting given how hidden and out of the way it is). If you're in the gen room at all during jumpscare you're almost certainly just taking a health state if not two! And if you've decided to be crouching in there, thinking you're not going to be the target, but the Jason knows you're there or just vibe checks the area anyways? Really nasty situation.
Generally they're in the gen room if im going up there, lol. I dont spend long in OE. Often times, ill hop in long enough to use the teleport to go from outside the house to upstairs. Stuff like a surge gen explosion is enough to let me know someone has started the gen. I also am a huge fan of sleeping bag. I see the location of any survivor within 10 meters of a hook... and they have no clue they got revealed.
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@AliceNull said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108391#Comment_4108391
Fair enough! Thanks for the answer as far as that goes. I'd want to ask so many questions but I know that'd be a bit of a nuisance, but the response to Jason specifically has interested me more than most other new killers in recent memory. I play mostly solo queue survivor at this point, and even when I played more killer it wasn't Jason too often, so a lot of the things I NOTICE people struggling with are like, the usual bad macro decisions (running killers back to hook, dying in a bad spot, unhooking too soon, healing under hook at bad times especially without Resurgence, not resetting, 3 genning on accident, that sort of thing), but thats because I can't really pay attention to the minute details of peoples chase.
I've also had a very different experience with Jasons in my own matches as far as my perspective on their power level, and people rarely tend to talk about specifics either on the forums or in aftergame chat, so its hard to tell what the difference actually IS match to match or player to player. Like, one thing I HAVE noticed is that OE scares some people a lot! They'll abandon tiles they can run Jason at because he jumpscared into them, or they'll crouch instead of sticking a gen even if they're at a spot where there are two different resources in range.IMO one of his strongest qualities is his ability to initiate jumpscare from windows. Many maps have really strong main buildings with safe windows. Garden of joy for example has a gen upstairs with a super safe window next to it. Defending that gen is typically just a waste of time normally... but for Jason, its free hits. He'll appear at the window rather than going up the stairs, which means the survivors now have to run away from the window towards... nothing really.
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@AliceNull said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108384#Comment_4108384
This is really interesting! I hope you don't mind me interrogating you a bit for my own curiosity, but given you've had a solid playtime and a really high kill rate I'd like to ask, what kind of survivor behaviour (insert obvious joke here) have you seen from your perspective as the Jason in these matches? Both on the micro and macro level, I mean. Like, as an extreme example, are people still running into pallets and windows during OE from your end?
I usually dont use OE to CHASE ppl, so the ones I pop out at dont know they're chosen. Even the ones that are TRYING to stealth me by crouching the OE arnt safe since Im constantly using info I get from Spies, sleeping bag and Surge to find my next target. That COULD be after a hook, or I might just swap targets rapidly to apply pressure. I spend very little time patrolling in OE unless its endgame for finding hatch and patrolling the gates after.
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@Mikeadatrix said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108384#Comment_4108384
I think you just genuinely found a Killer you vibe with heavily. The entire Jason gameplay loop is immensely satisfying and it's no lie that he is super easy to pick up and get results with, but he's definitely one of the only killers I've played since I started in 2016 that feels sooooooooo good across pretty much every aspect of the Trial. But is he unbeatable? No, I've gotten my teeth kicked in by smart survs who read my Spikes correctly and deny me jumpscare value and know how to punish me dropping chase. He's not overpowered, he's strong, which is a wholly different thing.
He feels like the first killer that has no bad map. If I get Lery's or Hawkins as Huntress, I cringe as soon as i load in. I never have that with him. I usually stick with killers like Dredge instead of Blight who focus on the macro-game, but with him... I've been playing him on controller and I'll be getting even deadlier with those spears since I got a PC last weekend, lol.
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@Mikeadatrix said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108305#Comment_4108305
You're talking about Jason like he's release Kaneki/Krasue. He's strong but by no stretch of the imagination unbeatable, most of his bustedness can be derived from those add-ons which WERE too strong and too free (Badge and Sauna Ronk) but those have both been properly tuned down, although a badge rework isn't a bad idea, as well as the Thrill-Penti Hex Build that everyone runs.
Base-kit Jason with normal addons and a normal perk build is just a more mobile Afton with an objectively strong projectile that is still 100% dodgeable and reactable. I am going to get dogpiled for having an opinion that doesn't encourage this belief that Jason is busted but I truly stand by it. At most, nerf his ability to lodge a hook spike in a Surv that just got off hook to prevent tunnelling but other than that, man is fine.
Am I just an outlier? Is this just a case where I found the killer I mesh with the best? Im pretty sure if anything, the upcoming perk changes might end up BUFFING my setup if anything. A spies buff would be cool. What does his average stats look like?
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@Mikeadatrix said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108292#Comment_4108292
No literally, I think he's pretty well-balanced after 2ish months of him being ingame but the guy was never technically "nerfed", just had his incredibly strong (and broken) addons adjusted.
Im wondering how many ppl are fumbling hard as him then if his average killrate is around the sweet spot. I legit have over a 90% killrate as him in my stats from the last 30 days, mostly just because I dont make it a habit to slug for the 4k. Im pretty good at bouncing around to apply pressure, but I dont think im top tier. Maybe Im wrong and Im just a savant, lol.
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I dont mean to be that guy, but you have to use punctuation and spacing. Having a wall of text like that is gonna make people not wanna bother reading anything.
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@HoodedWildKard said:
"Nerfed like jason"?
You mean have a couple of addons tweaked? And have his ability to camp hooks improved?
Jason didn't receive a meaningful nerf, certainly not in the way he should've been nerfed. Literally all they did was reign in a couple of his more busted addons. Barely.
And they removed the return to hook slowdown when coming out of omnipresent even if he's vertically above or below the hook. So they actually slightlybuffed his ability to camp hooks. Especially basement hook.
Complaints were and still are valid. Jason is a very overpowered and easy to use killer. Strongest single ranged attack in the game, spammable fast traversal with free info and strongest set of add ons I've ever seen. He could do with some proper balancing to make him fair to go against.
Im really wondering how bad ppl are doing with him to be dragging his average killrate down. I look at my own KR and Im just like "surely im not some Jason savant".
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Ppl claiming Jason was nerfed because his addons got tweeked, which includes some nerfs and some buffs will never not make me eye roll.
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They made it sound like the TOTH change is temp and the future changes might be to "the killer" rather than TOTH. Im guessing they mean Jason from that.
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@AliceNull said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108014#Comment_4108014
As much as I strongly disagree with the common complaints about slugging for a wide variety of reasons, even from the perspective of someone who plays primarily solo queue survivor at this point, this is a point I don't think anyone should disagree with at all. They NEED to update scoring events so that sticking around and playing correctly against these strategies is at the bare minimum rewarding on the BP end for the time investment.
Now, people might be asking, am I really saying they should give survivors free bloodpoints for being downed and sitting on the floor for a while? Yes, I am, wholeheartedly and unironically. We should be running the entity's pockets like we're mugging her in a back alley, give me my money BHVR.I need someone to make this a comic illustration
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108148#Comment_4108148
They already said they rework TOTH.
I know they said they'd nerf the numbers. Can you link or SS where they said they were reworking it? Imma be real with ya, im pretty sure most of my use for it is from chaos shuffle or something, so if they make it do something interesting, im down.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108118#Comment_4108118
Doesnt change that it will still be very popular and full Hex Builds are really obnoxious, especially on Jason. TOTH changes will only be relevant when they actually change the Perk and not only do a small number change.
Im not sure you really CAN change TOTH without completely changing its purpose as a hex defense perk. It was the same issue before when it acts as an alarm to show a hex was being cleansed. Setups could be made to make hexes basically unbreakable like the old Sniper doctor.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108129#Comment_4108129
This was not directed towards you. You posting the picture all the time was directed towards you, not that you personally claim that the state of Killer is bad. But it just happens all the time whenever Survivor queues are long that people start with that, but they never say the same when Killer queues are long.
My post with my picture is essentially a neutral comment. I hate the tribalism that occurs alot. You have a large portion of the people on these forums with a "if your not with me your against me" attitude, which im guessing are responsible for downvoting even neutral statements. Im kinda curious if my PFP was of Dwight, if the same people would be downvoting me.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108109#Comment_4108109
You posting the same image for days now in several Threads does not change the fact that queuetimes on average have become longer for Killer. Even if 4 minute is not that bad, it is still longer than it used to be. So yes, while Killer queues are faster in the evening and have ALWAYS been faster in the evening, they are still longer than what they used to be. Even without 2v8 in mind.
(What I find funny is that whenever Survivor queues are long, people immediatly jump towards Killer not being fun and Survivors need nerfs… But whenever Killer queues are long, mental gymnastics are happening.)
I challenge you to find a post where I complained about the state of killer. I put the picture up everytime someone tries to claim queue times as an indicator of balance. I ALSO chime in when people make ridiculous notions the other way around, like the recent thread where someone was claiming everyone is in an 8 man PC usingSWF and how thats somehow borderline cheating.
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@Rokku_Rorru said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108109#Comment_4108109
I just think people are sick of long killer queue times (myself included) because I want to play killer more, but I don't spend that much time on the game recently outside of events, which is usually when killer queue times are the longest, the banquet being the exception.
It's summer holidays where I'm at rn, kids/adults are off school/college so lots of people queueing up for killer whilst these summer events have been on. I do play while you wait, but sometimes I have such bad survivor games suddenly I don't feel up to playing killer or DBD in general. So overall I don't get to play killer as often.
That's my personal experience rn, nothing to do with others voting or w/e2v8 in general is a huge matchmaking anomaly. Usually if you wanna play with your friends, you play survivor in a SWF. 2v8 give THOSE players another option meaning a large amount of people who normally would be queuing up for survivor in 1v4 are queueing for killer 2v8. They could completely butcher the 2v8 balance in favor of survivors and ppl would STILL fill the killer queue due to the unique ability to play with your friends.
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@Rokku_Rorru said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108098#Comment_4108098
But they are longer more often than they aren't for killer, it doesn't matter this pattern. As I Said I know it happens but I'm trying to give YOU context as to why you are probably being downvoted.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I think people know there is spots where killer has quick queues, just overall they don't.Its because of this back and forth that queues are a terrible indicator to balance. The game did NOT have a huge balance change in the past 2 weeks to explain the current queue difference. It has an ongoing event that is causing more people to play, not some kind of survivor player exodus. You can expect normal queue times again in roughly 4 days.
Beyond that, a 4 minute queue is not a bad state by a long shot. Thats pretty healthy numbers. Jumping on the forums going "my side has the BP bonus right now so surely the other side needs nerfs" isn't the way to make an argument.
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@HexSlugged said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108087#Comment_4108087
i as a very heavy totem user, i would be happy with that change. i just want to have a chance to have my perks be used in the match lol
I dont usually do a FULL totem build, but I often run ruin and I know how disheartening it can be when the totem is found before the survivors can even move their character. The camera is doing its spinning intro thing and its already spotted.
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@Rokku_Rorru said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4108082#Comment_4108082
Because it added nothing other than "sometimes its short" but overall killer queue times are long lol
The topic was bringing up queue times, so yes... an explanation about queue times its right on topic.
You have a daily pattern of ups and downs at the same times going from a low of 40k to a high of 90k. Of course its going to affect queues. How is pointing that out to the person conflating queue times to balance not adding anything of value? No, we dont have changes to the quality of the game by the hour. The time that you play will drastically affect the queue times.
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I feel like the most you really should do is maybe make the totems look like normal dull totems for the first 30 seconds or so. This will help alleviate all the times survivors spawn on them. Beyond that, there's no reason to hinder the intended counterplay to totems.
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@Rokku_Rorru said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4107464#Comment_4107464
No I'm not correcting you, I'm talking about how y'all are complaining about downvoters lol
What would possibly be a good reason for downvoting that?
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@Arcturus said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4107983#Comment_4107983
Yeah this is the primary way people play Billy. I used to play a lot of him, trust me it makes it infinitely easier. If you're traversing the map you could still use your mouse, I do sometimes. But in loops I just stop moving the mouse last second and press Q or E to curve the chainsaw. If you're having trouble in situations where the survivor is straight in front of you and you dont want to curve, I'd recommend in those moments either 1. getting so close that you're practically breathing down their neck or 2. practice making sure your mouse is completely still for the last maybe third of the charge bar. You'll get better at completely pausing it over time, but giving yourself a second to completely stop your mouse is a good way to make it more consistent
Imma be real with ya... I haven't played on PC in forever and just got a new one this past weekend. Its gonna take a hot minute for me to get use to kb/m again in general.