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@Delfador said:
Leatherface's chainsaw.
Yes I am pretty sure bubba will borrow his chainsaw with wraith lol
Oh man you just remind me the old bug
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@Weederick said:
There is none. But lets wait a few months or years to confirm this, before we make changes
I can see that MoM have non but at the same time i see survivors say " killers have many way to counter this perks"
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@DocOctober said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/404072#Comment_404072
Here's why we can though:
If something entirely new comes to the game and people immediately call it OP or UP, it's a knee-jerk, agreed on that.
HOWEVER, and that is the point you guys don't get, MoM is not something new. It's core element is basically old Endurance Borrowed Time with a different activation condition (hits instead of unhook in TR) and without the bleed-out timer.
We knew how old BT worked and can extrapolate from that through our experience what MoM does and how bad it is for balance.
In this case, saying it is overpowered in combination with other meta Perks at this point (and even before it was released) is not a knee-jerk reaction.
If we say MOM it's close to old BT then we know it's broken and op i will like to remind you that with the old BT you can run the killer from the one side of the map to the exit without much problem and ack then you have limit time to do it now you don't.
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@powerbats said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/404043#Comment_404043
So when you run an obsession perk and or the survivor isn't they should suffer just to please you why again? If anything being the obsession and you're not running an obsession perkhould give you a bonus.
Since if you're the obsession the killer is most often going to tunnel you out of the game and usually your team gets a huge debuff. You've got Rancor, STBFL etc which you complain about but not when you get kills from it.
In fact you all probably run said obsession perks and yet complain about them yet get kills and remain silent. Oh and before you start with the crap I don't run any obsession perks playing survivor and still am the obsession at time.
I get hardcore tunneled till I'm dead all because i'm the obsession or the killer is running one yet I suffer the effects with no downsides for the killer.
The only obsession perk as killer I'll run is Rancor when I'm going with a mind game build, other than that I don't bother.
The only obsession perk killers have and need to tunneled the obsession in order to work are Dying Light and Remeber me every other perk forcing you to let the obsession live and leave from you. At the same time all the obsession perk killer has one or more weak point but 3 out of 4 perks that survivors have non.
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@[Deleted User] said:
If i’m running Remember Me, you bet your butt i’m gonna harass the obsession.
Yes if the killer runs an obsession perk yes you may have a downside ( in most cases) but without that what is the downside?
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@xChrisx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/402780#Comment_402780
For you killer side seems to be fair and balanced, well, tell me how to counter the classic tryhard build, huntress hatchets onehot ruin noed bbq nurses etc with an beautiful mori.
What we have? Oh an anti tunnel perk.
This community... Facepalm
OK how to counter every tryhard swf build ?
oh and for the huntres hide
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@thesuicidefox said:
Dude it's been 2 days...
Even God took 7 days to (supposedly) make all of the universe.
2019 is the "BUT I WANT IT NOW" generation.
Freddy nerf in 2 days
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@HeroLives said:
Ya’ll can back up off insta heals unless you want to come off those insta-downs. Any takers?
insta-downs need same skill to work ( look if they right behind you that your problem ). But insta-heal have no skills and you can find them in the chests.
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@BreadLord said:
they need to just get rid of insta heal and have a insta heal 25% and insta heal 50%
Any heal you can use on your self will be too strong
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@ColonGlock said:
Many in this community have long said rank does not matter and it is too easy to rank up.
Let us give it a chance and see if we can make this system work in our favor.
I personally only want bloodpoints, so as long as I am earning a decent amount each match I am happy.
Ok I with you on this but then again why they need to punish the good killers and survivors ?
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Ok then why the killers have to play bad in order to rank up bad the survivors have to play like they did ( as survivor you need one full gen , one safe hook and one hex totem or a half done gen)
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the thing is the new system say to the killers " You want to rank up, then play bad in order to rank up"
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The same for killers we don't get good single perks any more.
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@Bloodartist said:
That would be copycatting the nurse and I don't think it is happening.
What if the smoke from the censer could obscure the map and turn gens/some other stuff fully invisible to a survivor instead of just negating aura reading perks?
That will be useless most survivors know where the gens are and if they do that he/she probably have be the second worst killer
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@OGlilSPOOK20 said:
So basically a crappy version of Nurse?
Yes after all devs don't want to give us a good killer
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@LCGaster said:
@Theluckyboi said:
I still dont understand why people like hag so damn much, perhaps it is because i dont know how to play her but i think she is absolute trash, if she is trying to put a trap on a loop just ignore it, and crouch each time you are going to do a gen or rescue a companionRank?
Putting down a trap during a chase as Hag can be a gamble, most of the time it's all about luring the survivor to a place with more traps already down
If only you can fake a trap so the survivor will run where you want to be?
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@AChaoticKiller nice i will like to see how you play
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Hag for me she the second or third, nurse bill/hag. I play hag from day one ( the dark days) and with a lot of practice, you can be beast. If you know how to put your trap you can keep survivors off the hook and chase the other 3 at the same time ( and of course,e you will be call camper for this one)
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@AChaoticKiller said:
@Chaotic_Riddle said:
Top tier at camping, but everything else? Not really too special.Most hags camp and don't understand how to use her traps properly. I have been playing her since post buffs and I swear i have never seen another killer in game use her traps correctly. First off you don't just spam her traps thoughtlessly, you put them in spots that force survivors to mess up. The most common and the only one I've seen people do right (because its just easy to understand and do) is put traps on one side of a loop. However did you know you can put traps off a loop, just within range to trigger, and it forces the player to run off the loop resulting in a free hit. You can also put a trap between the two lockers at shack, it completely messes survivors up and results in a free hit. This is called her camera flick and when used right It forces survivors toward it, meaning they come straight to you. Lets also not forget her basement game, which is better than any other killer because you only need 3 traps to protect the hook than you can go nearly anywhere on the map and still catch them escaping the basement after a save. Put on make your choice and M&A and your set for a good game, So far this week and playing daily with hag I have only had two or three games were i only got two kills.
Space Coconut mate?
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@HeroLives said:
DarkGGhost said:@HeroLives said:
DarkGGhost said:
@HeroLives said: Bongbingbing said:
Aura reading is part of his power, just like Freddy I'm sorry but some perks just don't work that well against some killers.
Listen here fam I’m asking for a nerf to remove doctor and freddy abilities. It’s not cool the perk can be completely exhausted within a minute of a game. Especially when all they have to do is follow you either spamming madness, or just following you. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable tweak to ask for. Ok but only if all the killer can destroy all the perks the survivors have in every game
You realize I’m asking for their aura reading abilities to not be affected by this perk right? Or are you just being absurd?
And again why there are only 2 killers with that power and are low tier witch mean if you go up the rank you see less and less of them. Don't ask to nerf for no reason and besides the aura reading it's the only power they have
Fine have it your way and let distortion keep blocking their aura abilities on me so they don’t know.
See much better and after 2 min you will play the game with 3 perks like every killer with ruin or hex perks
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@HeroLives said:
DarkGGhost said:@HeroLives said:
Bongbingbing said:
Aura reading is part of his power, just like Freddy I'm sorry but some perks just don't work that well against some killers.
Listen here fam I’m asking for a nerf to remove doctor and freddy abilities. It’s not cool the perk can be completely exhausted within a minute of a game. Especially when all they have to do is follow you either spamming madness, or just following you. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable tweak to ask for.
Ok but only if all the killer can destroy all the perks the survivors have in every game
You realize I’m asking for their aura reading abilities to not be affected by this perk right? Or are you just being absurd?
And again why there are only 2 killers with that power and are low tier witch mean if you go up the rank you see less and less of them. Don't ask to nerf for no reason and besides the aura reading it's the only power they have
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will have PTB tomorrow and the new DLC in 2 weeks
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@HeroLives said:
Bongbingbing said:Aura reading is part of his power, just like Freddy I'm sorry but some perks just don't work that well against some killers.
Listen here fam I’m asking for a nerf to remove doctor and freddy abilities. It’s not cool the perk can be completely exhausted within a minute of a game. Especially when all they have to do is follow you either spamming madness, or just following you. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable tweak to ask for.
Ok but only if all the killer can destroy all the perks the survivors have in every game
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@Nickenzie said:
DarkGGhost said:@Nickenzie said:
DarkGGhost said:
what about the new DS ? Did the new obsession take all the tokems from the strat or stay with what he/she have ? I made this rework in mind with the new DS. I'll be happy to explain how the new DS will affect my rework! Basically, let's say you have Object of Obsession but you're NOT the obsession. You ended up using all 3 of your tokens given by the perk, but after a while, you used DS and now you're the obsession! Now, all of your obsession perks that you have equipped been changed to the obsession version! Therefore, the obsession version of Object of Obsession has 9 tokens but you previously used 3 tokens so you'll be at 6 tokens! However, you'll also get the hook penalty so it's not all good, there's still a penalty to becoming the obsession! Vice versa if you're the obsession and someone else used DS. You'll lose 9 tokens until you're the obsession once again! Therefore, if you had 5 tokens and someone else used DS. You'll lose 9 tokens and you're now stuck with -4 tokens (but the perk will say 0 just to not confuse you).
Perk tiers can affect how much tokens you'll have.
Late one what if you are the obsession use no tokens then lose obsession and after a will you use your DS in order to be the obsession again ?
Well, here's how that will work, it's not complicated!
Formula:
3 (You're NOT the obsession) or 9 (You're the obsession) - 0 to 9 (tokens used) = tokens remaining.If at one point you used DS, use the formula again to see how many tokens you have.
Example:
You used 2 tokens, someone used DS, you used a token, then you used DS.9 tokens from the obsession version of Object of Obsession. You used 2 tokens so you're left with 7 tokens! Now someone used DS and took your obsession status.
3 (You're NOT the obsession) - 2 (tokens used) = 1 tokens remaining.
You ended up using your final token so now you're left with 0 tokens! However, you used DS so you gained back your obsession status!
9 (You're the obsession) - 3 (tokens used) = 6 tokens remaining.
Now you're left with 6 tokens!
I see ok that may work and i like it ( for now)
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@Eveline said:
Someone is spending too much time on the hook.Don't worry with the new DS he/she will be spending too much time on the ground
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@Orion said:
@DarkGGhost said:
@Orion said:
F13th is over there ->and it's dead because of it (well one of the many reason)
My point exactly.
Why do people pick a horror game if they want to play Duke Nukem?Bully the killer oh w8
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@Orion said:
F13th is over there ->and it's dead because of it (well one of the many reason)
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@Salty_Pearl said:
@DarkGGhost said:
If a survivor put a obsession perk they will have a debuff like you make gens 5-10% slower. The killer perks for obsession aready have many promblems but the survivors perks have almost nonSole Survivor literally only works if everyone else around you is dead and Object of Obsession shows the Killer your aura. How are these not debuffs?
If you have no debuff then what the downside if you gonna give buff then where is the danger?
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
I seriously believe that a lot of people here were not around for when DS was originally released. This change is bringing slug meta is coming back. Get ready for the infinite whine threads about increased slugging.And back then we don't have knock out or we use third seal so this month will be fun
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@Chi said:
Definite nerf. If you don't tunnel, you basically won't ever see d-strike again.Ok definite tunnel. If you are on the last gen or at the game and you can hit the survivor who just gets of it is a tunnel?
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and ? you want t free escape and a card at the gate ?
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@Nickenzie said:
DarkGGhost said:what about the new DS ? Did the new obsession take all the tokems from the strat or stay with what he/she have ?
I made this rework in mind with the new DS. I'll be happy to explain how the new DS will affect my rework!
Basically, let's say you have Object of Obsession but you're NOT the obsession. You ended up using all 3 of your tokens given by the perk, but after a while, you used DS and now you're the obsession! Now, all of your obsession perks that you have equipped been changed to the obsession version! Therefore, the obsession version of Object of Obsession has 9 tokens but you previously used 3 tokens so you'll be at 6 tokens! However, you'll also get the hook penalty so it's not all good, there's still a penalty to becoming the obsession!
Vice versa if you're the obsession and someone else used DS. You'll lose 9 tokens until you're the obsession once again! Therefore, if you had 5 tokens and someone else used DS. You'll lose 9 tokens and you're now stuck with -4 tokens (but the perk will say 0 just to not confuse you).
Perk tiers can affect how much tokens you'll have.
Late one what if you are the obsession use no tokens then lose obsession and after a will you use your DS in order to be the obsession again ?
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Don't tunnel = free escape with no drawback
Slug = in order to work you need perks like the knockout and the survivors do not have the unbreakable
Prevent them from being unhooked = you stay in one area ( maybe with 3 gen at best scenario) and no way to kill the other 3 survivors ( will they gen rush)
Go for the unhooker = you will lose more time and the other survivor can finish 50 % of one gen at the very minimum -
@No_Cluie_Louis said:
@DarkGGhost said:
Mega buff@DarkGGhost said:
Mega buffWell you're profile picture is a hag so you probably tunnel everyone. it will be nice to see that play style be nerfed for once
Hag put trap profit
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If a survivor put a obsession perk they will have a debuff like you make gens 5-10% slower. The killer perks for obsession aready have many promblems but the survivors perks have almost non
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what about the new DS ? Did the new obsession take all the tokems from the strat or stay with what he/she have ?
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So if the killler have an addons you can use a perk in one game yes i see what you mean. It will a shame if you can complity destory one perk before you use it
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Mega buff
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@Entità said:
@DarkGGhost Are you sure?I think me and my friend try this so many time but with only 4 traps we don't know if was RNG or the code most of the time 2 out 4 trap will be on the same box
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yes but the box linked to the survivor
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@TAG said:
Peanits said:
Freaked said:
Peanits said:If the killer slugs you for 60 seconds, that leaves you open for a quick tap from another survivor, not to mention unbreakable and no mither, even adrenaline.
To that you might say what if the killer camps you on the ground? They have no way of knowing you have decisive strike. Unless they want to slug and camp everyone they down off the hook for 60 seconds, they're going to have to just eat the stun. But if they do camp every slug for a minute, that's a minute that the other survivors are able to work on generators uninterrupted. That's an easy way to lose if that's what you're after.
Okay, you got a point, slugging is not the best counter, but what about the other counter I counted?
A mori isn't really a counter to DS specifically. It kills you outright. By the same logic, a mori would counter Hope or No One Left Behind because they don't get to activate either.
Make your choice activates on the unhooker, not the guy who's been unhooked. If the killer is going for a different survivor each time, you don't really need the new DS, they aren't tunneling you.
If you're worried about juking the killer for 60 seconds, you could always just let them down you, or subtly act like you made a mistake so they don't expect anything. You running away isn't really a counter, you're the one doing it.
Remember isn't a frequently used perk. Yes you can get more stacks with this change of you would have previously camped the obsession to death (though that would have been silly if you are after remember me stacks). But remember me is also not a direct counter to DS. It does not prevent you from getting it or using it.
Rancor is the one there that's most likely to actually counter DS, but that seems fair. Perks are a game of rock paper scissors. If the killer is expecting you to save your DS until the gates are powered and equips rancor, they won that one. This will be one of the ways the perk is more fair in the end game.
This one wasn't mentioned yet (and I'm slightly surprised it's not mentioned more often), but I think Myers can counter DS pretty hard with Judith's Journal, Tombstone Piece, and Enduring (for the stun). This could especially be true for a non-Obsession Survivor who uses DS (potentially because there are multiple DS users in the trial). Heck, maybe if you want to go the full anti-DS route, throw in Play With Your Food so when the DS-er runs away and you super stalk them, you get a speed boost so you can catch up to them quicker and go for the Tombstone Mori.
So play one killer for the rest of you life in order to "counter" DS with only 2-3 addons and only one build ok
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Evry trap has it's own box if you trap the same survivor that may have the same box
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@The_Crusader said:
DS sounds better to me as a survvior than a killer. I think I would use it, and I was someone who considered the old DS the most broken thing in the entire game.I still think this new one will be extremely powerful. Perhaps even more so than before. At least they shortened the stun a little bit, hopefully that sticks.
Dev think to make endurand no work on DS, and maybe remove the timer so yes if they do it willl be more broken
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The new DS it's broken in mid/end game, if you leave the survivor with the DS you give a free esc and they don't lose it ( they can use next time). Killer can't prevent it from use it ( unlike most of the killer perks), MYC only apply to the survivors how do the unhooking and with Deliverance you give them a better change to win. Rancon only work at the end after you eat the DS so not good , remeber me will give another survivor the power to open the gates in 20 sec. Mori you see 1 in 15/ 20 games and the timer 60 sec way to much for no rly reason.
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Well the new DS destroy any good tactics killer can use and yes you may be good at start when you slug one and hunt other survivor ( if you find one ) but you let 2 other survivors do 2 gens and save the down one and maybe done 1-2 more ( and don't forget most of the time you are done 1 gens before you have one survivor on the hook)DexyIV said:@DarkGGhost said:
@DexyIV said:
@DarkGGhost said:
@DexyIV said:
You can counter it by just not tunneling. It's easy lolIn other words give them free escape and force the kille to play a way he/she may don't want
Tunneling harms you in the long run. Killers that tunnel are the ones to harm themselves by doing this, yet complain about genrushing because they have no idea how to pressure survivors off gens.
Adapt. Blood Warden helps against the free escapes. Blood Warden NOED is pretty strong. If you don't like NOED like me, then Rancor can synergize pretty well with it as well, and the new DS may make the perk more worthwhile.Ok, why the killer should play with one or other way why he/she can play as he/she likes. By saying "look we may have DS and those you will get punish because you play to win, no matter if you camp or tunneling" the game began again survivors side and way more than before because kill can't kill survivor fast enough.
Because it's the most effective. Bad killers rely on tunneling and whine about being genrushed. That's why this is good. It promotes more efficient and skillful gameplay. Play how you want, probs wont get far if you tunnel XD
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@DexyIV said:
@DarkGGhost said:
@DexyIV said:
You can counter it by just not tunneling. It's easy lolIn other words give them free escape and force the kille to play a way he/she may don't want
Tunneling harms you in the long run. Killers that tunnel are the ones to harm themselves by doing this, yet complain about genrushing because they have no idea how to pressure survivors off gens.
Adapt. Blood Warden helps against the free escapes. Blood Warden NOED is pretty strong. If you don't like NOED like me, then Rancor can synergize pretty well with it as well, and the new DS may make the perk more worthwhile.Ok, why the killer should play with one or other way why he/she can play as he/she likes. By saying "look we may have DS and those you will get punish because you play to win, no matter if you camp or tunneling" the game began again survivors side and way more than before because kill can't kill survivor fast enough.
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@powerbats said:
@DarkGGhost said:
@powerbats said:
@DarkGGhost said:
@DexyIV said:
You can counter it by just not tunneling. It's easy lolIn other words give them free escape and force the kille to play a way he/she may don't want
How is that any different than a killer slugging them and leaving them to bleed out, they then need to start running unbreakable or No Mither and play a way he/she doesn't want.
Ok most of the time when a killer slugging is to won time or because he/she hates one person with the new DS this will be the final scenario all the time
That's not always true, I've seen legacy and P3 nurses with several k hours played slugging at 5 gens and other times they do it to the non obsession just to be dicks about it. Don't go making excuses for slugging just because the new DS changes,
Since slugging existed long before these changes were even announced and ll you're going to end up doing is force more people to group up and run 4 isnta heals/Unbreakable etc.
Oh sure you can dodge but then guess what you get no lobbies while the killers that don't and won't slug and that'll simply adapt get lobbies.
Maybe this nurse want to dirank because slug give nothing to the killers and yes i know but back there slug was a nice counter to DS then changed so you can't do it anymore
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@powerbats said:
@DarkGGhost said:
@DexyIV said:
You can counter it by just not tunneling. It's easy lolIn other words give them free escape and force the kille to play a way he/she may don't want
How is that any different than a killer slugging them and leaving them to bleed out, they then need to start running unbreakable or No Mither and play a way he/she doesn't want.
Ok most of the time when a killer slugging is to won time or because he/she hates one person with the new DS this will be the final scenario all the time