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Or they can just leave Legion as is and not nerf or buff him after 2.5.0
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@Bongbingbing said:
I didn't play the PTB but if Hooks are going to be that bad I'd hate that. I already need Ruin to try slow down the game I don't want to be forced to waste another perk slot in order to get to a hook. DS Is going to be even stronger now, everyone's going to be running it.
Iron Grasp/Agitation/Hangmans Trick and Mad Grit will all be useful options at least. They're pretty damn useless at the moment.
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@se05239 said:
The sabo-meta made the game so unfun. I'd hate to see it come back.Sabo meta can never happen on that level again. Hangmans trick exists.
If it comes to that point every killer will run it. Running into too muchHangmans will cause people to stop sabo as well.
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I'd guess update tomorrow event Thursday.
We always get the patch first. They never release both the same day.
Usually ends a couple of days after the holiday going by how Halloween/Christmas+New Years events went. Thursday + 2 weeks would fit perfectly.
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For all we know it has already. They said it'll be a change on their end.
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Nope. It'll be at the earliest Tuesday if we are lucky.
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Nerf Hillbilly and Huntress as well so the mid tier can rise to glory.
No good killers only average ones!
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You'de not new here Tsulan. Why are you still surprised when people think killer is easy?
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Sorry some survivors look too spooky for me so i dodge. I don't have fun playing against spookies
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@Kamikaze_Rose said:
Attackfrog said:@Milo said:
Hm....All Male characters tbh
It's sexist. Someday male characters will be equally represented in dbd.
Until then, we need to arbitrarily give an award to a male dbd character. Merit be damned!
Give it a rest.
You're just jealous Claudette!
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@Onionthing said:
Legion's creation makes me smile:Survivors: Can we have a killer that doesn't tunnel?
Killers: What? This is a awful idea ...
Survivors: Can we have a killer that doesn't instant down you?
Killers: Okay but we will need some outplay mechanics or...
Survivors: Can we have a killer that doesn't have traps/invisibility or other mind game gimmicks?
Killers: Wait.. what? How are we supposed to...
Survivors: Can we have a killer that doesn't get much use out of the most common "broken" perks out there like NOED?
Killers: Devs you can't seriously be listening to this garbage right? Cause..
Devs: Here we go friends, a non tunnel, non insta-down, just gotta run fast, time wasting troll as ordered
Survivors: This isn't very fun
Killers: /facepalm
Just make a 110%/4.4 ms killer that can only frenzy hit without the sprinting or vaulting parts. Make DW not drain in terror radius either.
EZ.
What survivor would complain about a hag/huntress/spirit or legion that takes 3-4 M1 hits to down that can't use teleports, hatchets, haunting or vaults? xD
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@The_Manlet said:
They're not going to go back and tweak already released licensed killers like that. It's a real legal headache. It's the same reason we'll probably never get new cosmetics for them. The most we can hope for is that they'll put more effort into licensed killers going forward, assuming we ever get any. I'm not so sure we will.While we're on the subject of lobby music, they really should just give us a choice of which music we want. There's no reason to force us to listen to Clown music for several months.
They could also do chase music for their own killers.
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Yep they changed their mind. It's now an optimization pass aka whenever they want to do it.
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@Jesya said:
so.... it won't be streamed? cuteNothing going on so they have to waste a Thursday with filler.
Hopefully 2.5 is out Tuesday then back to actual stuff like streams/Q&As next Thursday... I imagine that'll be about Moonrise event...
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@AntiJelly said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
The communication roadmap still hasn't been updated guysSend Queen to help us pls. I'm not saying we should panic but we should probably panic.
The stream schedule resumed last week. Same as it always was, between 13:00 and 15:00 EST.
So we get just streams again now? No more videos mixed in?
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Where is the fun in that? Don't you prefer to cross your fingers every Thursday hoping a stream pops up?
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@Master said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
At least until the games queue times aren't terrible. As of right now for a lot of people it's dc/derank or don't play the game because you won't get lobbies.I say the idea is dumb because play the game normally= Can't play.
Play and DC often to stay at ranks with more people=Can play
Get banned because you found a loophole that makes the game playable=Can't play again.
This entire situation is garbage. It happens every time there is a rank reset at this point and nothing has been done!
You dont get banned for deranking, thats totally legit to do.
DCing is bannable of course, just like in any other competitive game. Its pathetic that you need an absurd high DC rate that the devs take action....
If you're referring to her she dc's to derank too. She plays until the end then quits when shes hooked/at the gate.
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@Detective_Jonathan said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@BillyIII said:
MLGA is a must imho. I personally blacklist all the nurse players.People like you are why i'm glad blacklisting will be impossible soon. You can't block DbD servers 😃
Yea i heard that you won't be able to block anyone once Dedicated servers come out.
Do you agree that it's lame to block killers because of who they want to play as/their skill level?
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I really hope the update is today or tuesday...
I'll have no interest in DbD for a while once the 25th comes. Gotta get through RE2 then Kingdom Hearts
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
Having add-ons that counter a perk is bad, but having perks that completely demolish a killers power is ok? Those add-ons seem pretty fair to me tbhWell killers are much stronger so survivors need them more.
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@DarkGGhost said:
will you like the idea to find a very fast game but you can't win any of them no matter how good you are?Sure? I'd actually prefer everyone to be in the same pool in matchmaking. Queues would be instant.
hahahahahaha, rank 1 versus a rank 20, oh thats gold
At least they could play the game?...
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@DarkGGhost said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@DarkGGhost said:
will you like the idea to find a very fast game but you can't win any of them no matter how good you are?Sure? I'd actually prefer everyone to be in the same pool in matchmaking.
and what about the fun if you play a game that you can't win or play against nurse every time?
I don't see the issue? If people want to play Nurse let them i don't care who/what i'm up against.
If i can't win i'll accept the loss and move on to the next match.
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@DarkGGhost said:
will you like the idea to find a very fast game but you can't win any of them no matter how good you are?Sure? I'd actually prefer everyone to be in the same pool in matchmaking. Queues would be instant.
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@Killigma said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@Killigma said:
Que times are not even that bad currently, they used to be worse. Red ranks you see a longer que time but nothing ridicules. What rank are you and how long on average are you waiting?1 and 20-30 minutes
Jesus, where do you live? The moon? 30 odd minutes...
Eastern US. I play in the am. Like right now it's 6 30 am and takes 30 minutes on PS4
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@Killigma said:
Que times are not even that bad currently, they used to be worse. Red ranks you see a longer que time but nothing ridicules. What rank are you and how long on average are you waiting?1 and 20-30 minutes
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@DocOctober said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@DocOctober said:
People don't talk about them because they aren't nearly as strong or as much a problem as you try to claim they are.So a clown bottle that completely negates perks from being used in a match isn't super op and not a problem? Ok bud.
Yup, it isn't. Wanna know why? Because 1) good Survivors do not have to rely on Sprint Burst and 2) they'll use it before the bottle hits them.
You can't force a discussion, no matter how much you try. People don't discuss it, because it isn't a problem. That's it.
And balanced landing? Dead hard?
You have to get hit before using dead hard. You're going to be hit by a hatchet/bottle before you can use it.
You can't say it isn't a problem when you clearly have no idea how they work.
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@DocOctober said:
People don't talk about them because they aren't nearly as strong or as much a problem as you try to claim they are.So a clown bottle that completely negates perks from being used in a match isn't super op and not a problem? Ok bud.
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DbD should take from games that have a fraction of DbD's following?
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@BillyIII said:
MLGA is a must imho. I personally blacklist all the nurse players.People like you are why i'm glad blacklisting will be impossible soon. You can't block DbD servers 😃
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@Condorloco_26 said:
@lasombra1979 said:
Thats how it should work. Problem is, rankings in this game is not about ability, but about time investment. My wife who is utterly horrible at killer has in a month made it to rank 5. If she can rank up, any one can.
Somehow I find your statement a bit exaggerated. If anyone was truly horrible, he/she wouldn't ever pip. I tell you that because even when hooking everybody once, you can still depip. Getting to Rank 5 means she was getting at least 2ks consistently, 6-9 hooks every game. That would sound to me as a solid killer.
Play Legion and you will literally never depip.
You don't get a single kill you'll still pip because he boosts chaser to iridescent almost every game without effort.
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bongbingbing said:
@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bongbingbing said:
There's nine cosmetics to get, 3 outfits in total. One is a huntress Skin a Boar i think, so fitting for the year of the pig., and Two Survivor skins for Feng and Ace.I know the huntress, feng, ace skins, I mean how we could get rewarded for getting a certain limit on tokens, like new year event
I'd like that but I don't think it'll happen sadly, licensing for Amanda/Tapp is probably tough.
there is a chance....wait, was amanda released during the last event?
No she came a few weeks before Howling Grounds.
didn't somebody say that they did not get enough tokens to get another free skin last year?
Probably? During howling grounds we had to earn tokens to unlock the huntress mask/davids jacket. I imagine some people didn't get to complete it in time.
no, by the community challenge, there was another skin than fengs that we didn't get
Fengs skin was the only community challenge.
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bongbingbing said:
@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bongbingbing said:
There's nine cosmetics to get, 3 outfits in total. One is a huntress Skin a Boar i think, so fitting for the year of the pig., and Two Survivor skins for Feng and Ace.I know the huntress, feng, ace skins, I mean how we could get rewarded for getting a certain limit on tokens, like new year event
I'd like that but I don't think it'll happen sadly, licensing for Amanda/Tapp is probably tough.
there is a chance....wait, was amanda released during the last event?
No she came a few weeks before Howling Grounds.
didn't somebody say that they did not get enough tokens to get another free skin last year?
Probably? During howling grounds we had to earn tokens to unlock the huntress mask/davids jacket. I imagine some people didn't get to complete it in time.
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bongbingbing said:
@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Bongbingbing said:
There's nine cosmetics to get, 3 outfits in total. One is a huntress Skin a Boar i think, so fitting for the year of the pig., and Two Survivor skins for Feng and Ace.I know the huntress, feng, ace skins, I mean how we could get rewarded for getting a certain limit on tokens, like new year event
I'd like that but I don't think it'll happen sadly, licensing for Amanda/Tapp is probably tough.
there is a chance....wait, was amanda released during the last event?
No she came a few weeks before Howling Grounds.
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@mgs2020 said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Bbbrian2013 said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Bbbrian2013 said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said: Bbbrian2013 said:
@SenzuDuck said: @Bbbrian2013 said: @SadonicShadow said: @Bbbrian2013 said: @ScottJund said: No, almost nobody likes the proposed changes. How would you make him strong then? He shouldn't need mix tape to be viable. Every killer should be useable man... I dont think many people would argue against that. He should for sure be made viable and useable without addons as all killers should be. The problem with Legion is his power at its very core is the worst of both worlds. He is extremely unfair and has almost zero counterplay as survivor yet as killer he is trash tier and worse than freddy at securing kills. I agree when people say he needs to be reworked. He needs to be both fair and strong and right now he is neither. I dont have a solution but we cant simply buff and nerf our way out of this. He needs a fundamental rework. Legion is just poorly designed mechanically. So you're saying we either get this buff or we wait a year or more for a rework... This is Freddy all over again this buff HAS to go through then rework in a year. Don't let him be useless for a year. No, not when you can insta down with ultra fast pallet and window jumps there's no counter. There doesn't need to be a counter. What is Nurses counter? We could finally have a second S tier killer. Survivors have always been strong why can't killers?
You mindgame nurse, double backs and running straight line around a corner to confuse her, after the stun (she looks at the ground) you can use it lose her. Also, playing nurse requires a lot of skill and practise, while Legion not. Yeah i don't see the issue with an S tier killer that is easy to use. This isn't an esports game. A killer that you can pick up and just stab things with not have to think and do well sounds good to me. Killer is stressful we need an easy fun one not told to go play civ
Why do you play a PvP game in the first place then? Just play against bots lol
I would if DbD had single player.
So, just because it hasn't we all should bend around you so you can get ur "bot experience" but against real persons? Come on lad. I wouldn't mind the buff if Legion had counterplay. But the combination of no counterplay + recent buff + no skill needed is so stupid, that everyone who defends this is basically admitting that he has 0 game knowledge about DbD.
My guy Legion has the potential to be what every killer main has been wanting for years. An easy solution to looping and toxic survivors. We press a button and ignore the bs parts of the game that have caused even top killers like Marth to quit.
Killers could have fun again with this Legion. Killers are supposed to be op and scary power role vs 4 weak ones.
You just said it. We press a button and all survivor escape tactics go out the door... That's throwing a quarter of the games design if not more out the window lol...
Is it that big of a loss if that quarter has annoyed killers for years?...Definitely not for us killers it's fun for us we finally have what we wanted.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Bbbrian2013 said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Bbbrian2013 said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said: Bbbrian2013 said:
@SenzuDuck said: @Bbbrian2013 said: @SadonicShadow said: @Bbbrian2013 said: @ScottJund said: No, almost nobody likes the proposed changes. How would you make him strong then? He shouldn't need mix tape to be viable. Every killer should be useable man... I dont think many people would argue against that. He should for sure be made viable and useable without addons as all killers should be. The problem with Legion is his power at its very core is the worst of both worlds. He is extremely unfair and has almost zero counterplay as survivor yet as killer he is trash tier and worse than freddy at securing kills. I agree when people say he needs to be reworked. He needs to be both fair and strong and right now he is neither. I dont have a solution but we cant simply buff and nerf our way out of this. He needs a fundamental rework. Legion is just poorly designed mechanically. So you're saying we either get this buff or we wait a year or more for a rework... This is Freddy all over again this buff HAS to go through then rework in a year. Don't let him be useless for a year. No, not when you can insta down with ultra fast pallet and window jumps there's no counter. There doesn't need to be a counter. What is Nurses counter? We could finally have a second S tier killer. Survivors have always been strong why can't killers?
You mindgame nurse, double backs and running straight line around a corner to confuse her, after the stun (she looks at the ground) you can use it lose her. Also, playing nurse requires a lot of skill and practise, while Legion not. Yeah i don't see the issue with an S tier killer that is easy to use. This isn't an esports game. A killer that you can pick up and just stab things with not have to think and do well sounds good to me. Killer is stressful we need an easy fun one not told to go play civ
Why do you play a PvP game in the first place then? Just play against bots lol
I would if DbD had single player.
So, just because it hasn't we all should bend around you so you can get ur "bot experience" but against real persons? Come on lad. I wouldn't mind the buff if Legion had counterplay. But the combination of no counterplay + recent buff + no skill needed is so stupid, that everyone who defends this is basically admitting that he has 0 game knowledge about DbD.
My guy Legion has the potential to be what every killer main has been wanting for years. An easy solution to looping and toxic survivors. We press a button and ignore the bs parts of the game that have caused even top killers like Marth to quit.
Killers could have fun again with this Legion. Killers are supposed to be op and scary power role vs 4 weak ones.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Bbbrian2013 said:@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Bbbrian2013 said:
@SenzuDuck said: @Bbbrian2013 said: @SadonicShadow said: @Bbbrian2013 said: @ScottJund said: No, almost nobody likes the proposed changes. How would you make him strong then? He shouldn't need mix tape to be viable. Every killer should be useable man... I dont think many people would argue against that. He should for sure be made viable and useable without addons as all killers should be. The problem with Legion is his power at its very core is the worst of both worlds. He is extremely unfair and has almost zero counterplay as survivor yet as killer he is trash tier and worse than freddy at securing kills. I agree when people say he needs to be reworked. He needs to be both fair and strong and right now he is neither. I dont have a solution but we cant simply buff and nerf our way out of this. He needs a fundamental rework. Legion is just poorly designed mechanically. So you're saying we either get this buff or we wait a year or more for a rework... This is Freddy all over again this buff HAS to go through then rework in a year. Don't let him be useless for a year. No, not when you can insta down with ultra fast pallet and window jumps there's no counter. There doesn't need to be a counter. What is Nurses counter? We could finally have a second S tier killer. Survivors have always been strong why can't killers?
You mindgame nurse, double backs and running straight line around a corner to confuse her, after the stun (she looks at the ground) you can use it lose her. Also, playing nurse requires a lot of skill and practise, while Legion not.
Yeah i don't see the issue with an S tier killer that is easy to use. This isn't an esports game. A killer that you can pick up and just stab things with not have to think and do well sounds good to me.
Killer is stressful we need an easy fun one not told to go play civ
Why do you play a PvP game in the first place then? Just play against bots lol
I would if DbD had single player.
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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Bbbrian2013 said:@SenzuDuck said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@SadonicShadow said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@ScottJund said:
No, almost nobody likes the proposed changes.
How would you make him strong then? He shouldn't need mix tape to be viable. Every killer should be useable man...
I dont think many people would argue against that. He should for sure be made viable and useable without addons as all killers should be. The problem with Legion is his power at its very core is the worst of both worlds. He is extremely unfair and has almost zero counterplay as survivor yet as killer he is trash tier and worse than freddy at securing kills. I agree when people say he needs to be reworked. He needs to be both fair and strong and right now he is neither. I dont have a solution but we cant simply buff and nerf our way out of this. He needs a fundamental rework. Legion is just poorly designed mechanically.
So you're saying we either get this buff or we wait a year or more for a rework...
This is Freddy all over again this buff HAS to go through then rework in a year. Don't let him be useless for a year.
No, not when you can insta down with ultra fast pallet and window jumps there's no counter.
There doesn't need to be a counter. What is Nurses counter?
We could finally have a second S tier killer. Survivors have always been strong why can't killers?
You mindgame nurse, double backs and running straight line around a corner to confuse her, after the stun (she looks at the ground) you can use it lose her. Also, playing nurse requires a lot of skill and practise, while Legion not.
Yeah i don't see the issue with an S tier killer that is easy to use. This isn't an esports game. A killer that you can pick up and just stab things with not have to think and do well sounds good to me.
Killer is stressful we need an easy fun one not told to go play civ and deal with weak killers.
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They're trying to find ways to buff him before making him worse...
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@Severus_Swiggleton said:
The mythical Freddy Rework. We still believe that's actually a thing?McLean is the one designing the new Freddy and he's played early builds of it. He just told us this last week.
So it should be here in the next few months.
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@JetTheWaffleCat said:
@Dreamnomad said:
@Mc_Harty said:
@Dreamnomad said:
There seems to be a lot of hyperbole in this thread. This isn't a very big buff. If you are walking around injured then you deserve to go down faster. That is just common sense.It's not common sense for a killer to ignore gameplay however.
That doesn't really have anything to do with this change though. If you want to argue that the killer's ability is fundamentally broken that is one thing. But with the killer's ability as it currently stands it just makes sense that if they stab you while your are injured that you don't get the full deep wound timer. It should never be the optimal strategy for survivors to ignore being injured against any killer.
The fact that staying injured is the most viable strategy is on of the reason why Legion is so poorly designed. The fact that they're using this horrid bandaid fix instead of gut reworking them is absolute asinine.
They're offering this to us as a solution because it would take forever to rework him...How long have we been waiting for Freddy to be reworked?
I'd rather have a band-aid than wait forever for a rework that may never come!
He needs to be viable without a rework because bhvr takes their sweet ass time with reworks...
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@SadonicShadow said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@ScottJund said:
No, almost nobody likes the proposed changes.How would you make him strong then? He shouldn't need mix tape to be viable. Every killer should be useable man...
I dont think many people would argue against that. He should for sure be made viable and useable without addons as all killers should be. The problem with Legion is his power at its very core is the worst of both worlds. He is extremely unfair and has almost zero counterplay as survivor yet as killer he is trash tier and worse than freddy at securing kills. I agree when people say he needs to be reworked. He needs to be both fair and strong and right now he is neither. I dont have a solution but we cant simply buff and nerf our way out of this. He needs a fundamental rework. Legion is just poorly designed mechanically.
So you're saying we either get this buff or we wait a year or more for a rework...
This is Freddy all over again this buff HAS to go through then rework in a year. Don't let him be useless for a year.
No, not when you can insta down with ultra fast pallet and window jumps there's no counter.
There doesn't need to be a counter. What is Nurses counter?
We could finally have a second S tier killer. Survivors have always been strong why can't killers?
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@SadonicShadow said:
@Bbbrian2013 said:
@ScottJund said:
No, almost nobody likes the proposed changes.How would you make him strong then? He shouldn't need mix tape to be viable. Every killer should be useable man...
I dont think many people would argue against that. He should for sure be made viable and useable without addons as all killers should be. The problem with Legion is his power at its very core is the worst of both worlds. He is extremely unfair and has almost zero counterplay as survivor yet as killer he is trash tier and worse than freddy at securing kills. I agree when people say he needs to be reworked. He needs to be both fair and strong and right now he is neither. I dont have a solution but we cant simply buff and nerf our way out of this. He needs a fundamental rework. Legion is just poorly designed mechanically.
So you're saying we either get this buff or we wait a year or more for a rework...
This is Freddy all over again this buff HAS to go through then rework in a year. Don't let him be useless for a year.
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@Mc_Harty said:
Yeah, I like being down in two hits with Stab Wound Study and Franks Mixtape, with no counterplay. Wait... no I don't, that was a [BAD WORD] lie.This killer needs to be reworked immediately after Freddy.
Heal then that won't happen. It'll be like he was never buffed. The purpose is to waste time so he isn't rushed so hard.
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@ScottJund said:
No, almost nobody likes the proposed changes.How would you make him strong then? He shouldn't need mix tape to be viable. Every killer should be useable man...
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How about...No?
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@Dokta_Carter said:
NightmareReborn said:I would place legion slightly above Freddy on my tier list. I honestly think that Freddy is the worst killer in the game. He has good chase potential but has trouble securing a down, so this is what my tier list would look like:
* Nurse
* Billy
* Hag
* Spirit
* Huntress
* Clown
* Myers
* Pig
* Doctor
* Trapper
* LF
* Wraith
* Legion
* FreddyAccording to a few posts, he can down anyone he wants easily
The issue is how long it takes him to get those downs. He gets downs with no skill involved he will 100% down in a chase.
It just takes so long without franks gens get done...
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@Orion said:
Yes, they've said that people will be banned retroactively once bans come out. And yes, it's going to be hilarious.Peanits said that. An ACM. Not a dev.
They're not going to ban for dcs from the last 2 years combined that'd be dumb everyone would be banned.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Yay!!! I hope it's a broken update again!!! Ok maybe make it not too bad but bring back like chainsaw nurse so we can have chainsaw piggy or Legion!!! Then make survivors float like the nurse and let them blink foward or through walls for a while before they patch it out!!!To be fair what DbD update isn't broken?
Howling Grounds definitely was the worst time especially for killers with the guaranteed blinds and pallet stun saves.
The issue wasn't the event itself the event was actually fun!
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No. Next one should be next week.
If it was today it would've happened hours ago,
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@Supernaut said:
Lunar new year is 05/02... I really hope so, as I've loads of invites to burn through!!!
I'm really hoping those firework gens/hooks return.
Those and the Summer ones were much better than the Halloween objectives