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@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
That's so funny.^^
You are still wrong… then and now.
And you don't even get it one month later. XD
I just stopped trying to explain it to you, because it isn't worth it, but it's still incredibly funny to see you talking about stuff you do not understand.
Your the perfect example of the problem with internet debates: the most stubborn will win, because no matter if they already lost, they will just keep on talking and repeating their own point of view, no matter how often it gets proven wrong.
over and outYou don't even tell me how I'm wrong, I'd rather have someone self care for 32 seconds than 16 seconds, but sure, I'm wrong.
the issue is people like you who present opinions as facts and dismiss others without evidence.
You haven't proven me wrong so stop acting like you do.Tell me, 32 seconds, or 16 seconds, which sounds more of a benefit to killers?
hush You just gave a link to the old thread. I explained everything already, with evidence and calculations and examples. Just reread it. If you keep saying I didn't gave evidence, than you are a liar.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
@SenzuDuck said:>
Also, I may have done the maths wrong but my point was still correct. It’s more beneficial to heal each other.
No need to speak in the past… you are still not getting math right if you think self healing is beneficial to the killer.
-says no need to speak in the past, constantly brings up that I did maths wrong in a comments about a month ago LOL
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That's not a month ago… you just did it again… you still do it wrong, that's the fun part why I keep mentioning it.^^
It was over a month ago, this is the part where you stop replying because you realize you were wrong.
I like how you nitpick replies as well, while I reply to everything in it's entirety you only comment on things you think you're right about, lol.
again, why don't you go back to that post that I explained how self caring is more beneficial to killers than survivors always healing each other.
Heck, I'll give you another example right now, if a survivor gets pulled off a hook would you rather someone selfcare (32 seconds btw) or the person heal them? (16 seconds) which sounds more beneficial to the killer, the longer or the shorter heal time?
That's so funny.^^
You are still wrong… then and now.
And you don't even get it one month later. XD
I just stopped trying to explain it to you, because it isn't worth it, but it's still incredibly funny to see you talking about stuff you do not understand.
Your the perfect example of the problem with internet debates: the most stubborn will win, because no matter if they already lost, they will just keep on talking and repeating their own point of view, no matter how often it gets proven wrong.
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I think a " Wolfman" would be human enough.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
@SenzuDuck said:>
Also, I may have done the maths wrong but my point was still correct. It’s more beneficial to heal each other.
No need to speak in the past… you are still not getting math right if you think self healing is beneficial to the killer.
-says no need to speak in the past, constantly brings up that I did maths wrong in a comments about a month ago LOL
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That's not a month ago… you just did it again… you still do it wrong, that's the fun part why I keep mentioning it.^^
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I liked it when they showed the usage of perks.
But I think they stopped doing that to hide the inbalance of perks. -
@SenzuDuck said:>
Also, I may have done the maths wrong but my point was still correct. It’s more beneficial to heal each other.
No need to speak in the past… you are still not getting math right if you think self healing is beneficial to the killer.
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@OGlilSPOOK20 said:
The irony that killers say that looping is a unskillful thing to do, but yet they say tunnelling and camping is a strat.Oh no the survivor is trying its best to not get hit and survivor (killer proceeds to keep chasing this survivor instead of breaking off to check gens and go for others) 3 gens pop on and now killer finally catches the survivor and then proceeds to camp them because of a stupid excuse of 3 gens going off when they could've avoided it by leaving that survivor.
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You know what.... I'm done.
- Looping needs some degree of skill. I have to admit that, because I am a killer main and when I play survivor I really suck at looping, but most likely that a simple training issue and I do not spend enough time playing survivor.
- Tunneling and camping are skillful too. Tunneling = chasing and if the chaser gets the chased one, he one. And by calling camping "unskillful" you just take a snapshot of the situation AFTER the killer did all the skillful work to get that victim there and he still has to defend that sacrifice against all the super altruistic wannabe rescuer.
- Switching targets only helps if there are easier targets. Of course I avoid those sucker, that WANT to get chased, but in general switching targets is only giving free self heals and getting looped by the next player.
Actually I think , it is better that you are done...
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@Sonzaishinai said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Sonzaishinai said:
Tunneling and gen rushing are one and the same thing
Getting the objective done as fast and efficient as possibleGen rushing can be combated by putting pressure on the survivors
Tunneling can be combatted by taking a hit for a fellow playerWrong. Tunneling is playing efficient. Gen rush is just bad game design.
Gens are done way to fast. If the survivor play well, the killer can't do crap about it.
If a survivor is a decent runner a single hit takes 30-40 seconds, so 2 hits plus carry to a hook is about the time it takes to do a gen ALONE without any toolbox or great checks.
If the survivor spread out and do gens all on their own, that's 3 gens done on the first hook.
The problem about gen rush is that the Devs choose to balance the game for low rank/low skill survivor, that mess around and can't "walk the killer" and can't do great skillchecks.
Every other game is balanced top down instead of bottom up.I'm not saying it's balanced or not
Just saying it's the same thing
Rushing the gens is doing the objective fast and efficientwether this is balanced or not was not my point
Your right, but I feel the need to point that out.
To many survivor mains use that as a lame excuse to call gen rush "fine" (balanced). -
@Sonzaishinai said:
Tunneling and gen rushing are one and the same thing
Getting the objective done as fast and efficient as possibleGen rushing can be combated by putting pressure on the survivors
Tunneling can be combatted by taking a hit for a fellow playerWrong. Tunneling is playing efficient. Gen rush is just bad game design.
Gens are done way to fast. If the survivor play well, the killer can't do crap about it.
If a survivor is a decent runner a single hit takes 30-40 seconds, so 2 hits plus carry to a hook is about the time it takes to do a gen ALONE without any toolbox or great checks.
If the survivor spread out and do gens all on their own, that's 3 gens done on the first hook.
The problem about gen rush is that the Devs choose to balance the game for low rank/low skill survivor, that mess around and can't "walk the killer" and can't do great skillchecks.
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To read an correctly interpret graphs and stats, you need to understand mathematics.^^
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@LyrSteam6510 said:
Might_Oakk said:I notice there has yet to be a werewolf, vampire, mummy etc. added to the game yet. Nurse and Spirit are kind of ghost like.
I personally would love to see a werewolf. Could run similar to Billys loping stride. Possibly use a mid range leap power?
I know DBD is more slasher genre then traditional horror but I think these characters could be fun.
I would like to see The Werewolf with a mid range leap that you can do double leaps with.
Example: Jumping to the side of a wall then pouncing off the wall to a survivor ( or using any object to pounce from)
I think that would be interesting along with the ability to fast vault pallets and windows, I’m sure a lot of cool things could be done with the idea.
Maybe a Wolfman could jump to ledges and windows.
Would be a nasty surprise if the killer comes through a 2nd store window from the outside in.^^ -
@DocOctober said:
Quite honestly, I think the devs should no longer release statistics. They are not doing anyone a favour.I just wish they would be more specific about their stats.
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I want something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZHc5SJ9eEA true "Wolfman", because real "Werewolves" -like in Underworld or Van Helsing- would be to "powerful and would not fit with all the hooking and sacrificing.
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@ReneAensland said:
Camping killers is STILL an issue even though they already "addressed the issue in the last patch."
Well guess what, it's obviously not enough since its still a problem and turning people off from a game like this where survivability is already minimal.
I'm killer main, but when I want to try my luck at being a survivor, encountering these players makes this game so bad, especially since they're rewarded for such terrible play style.It's a trash play style.
Stop defending it.
So killer should be forced to play stupid?
Maybe you need a bot mode to play. A nice AI, that plays by every crappy survivor rule.
Don't camp, don't tunnel, respect the 4%, don't use Noed, etc. -
@bendermac said:
@Wolf74 said:
Just the last 2 matches as survivor.
1. First victim put to sleep, another DCd ("I don't play Freddy") 3 survivor with 5 gens left = 3 kills plus the DC
2. First victim screams, another DCd ("I don't play Doctor") 3 survivor with 5 gens left = 3 kill plus the DCIf people constantly DC on certain Killers, they will never learn to play against them.
I know, but they count as "kills" for the escaperatio and their mates left with 3 people and 5 gens to go will most likely get killed also.
That is messing up the stats a lot. -
Id/tag visibility have been taken away from survivor, because they abused it.
Deal with it.
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@milo77727 said:
The only real difference is survivors continue to hold onto their item.
That is the main point of the perk!
They should DROP it, so that they have to make a choice; either take the risk and waste the time to retrieve it or just let go of it. -
That suggestion would totally ruin the whole purpose of the perk.
It is made to waste the survivors time if they are greedy and want to retrieve their stuff. -
@Blueberry said:
This feels like a nerf to me, not a buff.Exactly.
Making any perk a HEX, is a nerf.
Survivor like to ask for it and combine it with a slight buff to justify the major nerf of being a Hex.
Survivor like Hexes, because they can destroy a perk.
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@NickMilian said:
They need to make him more true to his movie character i.e. has a host of different powers once in the DreamWorld. His add-ons could support this (e.g. add-ons that let him teleport / block windows / doors / throw projectiles) . Currently he's just like any other slasher killer when in the DreamWorld.Good idea.
Like an add on that could make his Dream demon power activate window blocker when used on a window.
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- Remove awake survivor from hit detection.
- Healing from awake survivor should not block picking up downed survivor.
- 25% action speed debuff during dream transition.
- Dream Demon should be an interrupt ability, with a 1.5 sec block to resume the any action.
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@Vietfox said:
We are talking about gametags/id. Not being able to know who is the killer.
Maybe YOU did, but the rest of the thread is about ingame equipment.
Please stay on topic and don't bring up you wishes about blocking any killer player that killed you. -
@Vietfox said:
@only1biggs
I agree, if killer can check survivors id so should the survivors.Still wrong.
Again, it is an integral core design that the killer knows more and the survivor are meant to be surprised by the killer.
If survivor could just equip Small game when they KNOW they face a trapper, it would totally break the balance.
(Same for Calm Spirit/Doctor, Flashlights/Urban Evasion/Hag,etc.) -
@White_Owl said:
@Wolf74 said:
Maybe something like a longer timer and an indicator which gens are repaired to what level.
Just make the auras brighter the closer they are to getting done.Considering Wraith's All Seeing - Spirit is ultra rare I doubt they would add a similar effect on a perk. PGTW is also very powerful in combo with that addon since you can apply maximum damage with every application of PGTW.
Serious? You want to bring up an ultra rare to dismiss this?
Ultra rares are meant to be strong and the "All Seeing"-spirit add on on it's own is garbage and would only be strong with a good combo.
How often do you see Wraith player use this add on? Like ever? -
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@Vietfox said:
I personally think killers shouldn't be able to see what items survivors are carrying in the lobby, so it's fine.You are aware that this is a core mechanic of the game, right?
It was always intended that the killer can prepare himself for what the survivor are bringing into the match by stalking them at the campfire.
It's part of the gamebalance.
Why should a killer equip Lightborn, when no one brings a torch?
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I stopped using this perk, because to often the gen I was going to (because I knew it was clsoe) popped just before I could reach it and the timer was to short to get to another gen.
The perk should give a visual indicator which gens are repaired the most, so I do not waste my time running to a gen that is not even touched.
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Just the last 2 matches as survivor.
1. First victim put to sleep, another DCd ("I don't play Freddy") 3 survivor with 5 gens left = 3 kills plus the DC
2. First victim screams, another DCd ("I don't play Doctor") 3 survivor with 5 gens left = 3 kill plus the DC -
The thing is, PGTW is meant to force the killer to LEAVE the hook.
Right now, I think it is way to weak(situational), but the core mechanic should stay: get a good benefit for leaving the hook.
Maybe something like a longer timer and an indicator which gens are repaired to what level.
Just make the auras brighter the closer they are to getting done. -
@Soren said:
@Wolf74 said:
Stats would be more relevant if survivor would actually need to survive.
That way they coul dnot mess around so much.Yup, I can confirm that. Last game was against 3 toolboxes, I should have lost (one gen remaining, no one dead yet), yet I slayed them all because of late game camp. Like, they could easily do the last gen and 3 of them escape, but they chose instead to try to rescue no matter what.
Survivors, this is not a coop game, you don't have to feel bad if you let your teammate die on hook if that means most of you will escape!
That's what I meant… I have a lot of games where an easy 3 escape turns into a 3 dead, because they play overconfident and cocky.
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Stats would be more relevant if survivor would actually need to survive.
That way they coul dnot mess around so much. -
@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:"Killersided forum" that's a funny claim.
Strange thing is anything that is not a survivor echochamber is immediatly called "killersided", even if the survivor side can't bring any valid arguments. Just debunking their memes is already to much to take and can only be an indicator for a "killersided" forum; of course not that the survivor arguments are crap.
No its just killer mains crying that everything is unfair to them, crying at the idea of any specific killer nerfs while asking devs to nerf every single thing survivors have.
So you are not happy about killer doing the same thing that survivor did for almost 2 years?
What do you think how we got at this point of unbalance?
Survivor complained in the forum and got all the nerfs they asked for.
Survivor just don't like real balance.
Asymetrical balance has to be balanced 1 vs 4, but survivor want "balance" 1 vs 1. -
@MojoTheFabulous said:
@Wolf74 said:
@MojoTheFabulous said:
@Keene_Kills said:
Doesn't that include mass suicide survivors from Blight event? I missed how long the time period was during the stream.Pretty sure at some point they mentioned it was over the last week. So that's not gonna count the Hallowed Blight.
But the ranking after the event was totally messed up by the farming during the event.
Rank hasn't meant much for a long time anyway, so this would barely make a diFFerence at all.
Than the whole graph is irrelevant to you and we could just take about a global killrate across all ranks.
And there is a visible change in killrate as the ranks rise, so you can't tell me they are meaningless.
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Anyway… that ain't "balanced".
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"Killersided forum" that's a funny claim.
Strange thing is anything that is not a survivor echochamber is immediatly called "killersided", even if the survivor side can't bring any valid arguments. Just debunking their memes is already to much to take and can only be an indicator for a "killersided" forum; of course not that the survivor arguments are crap. -
@MojoTheFabulous said:
@Keene_Kills said:
Doesn't that include mass suicide survivors from Blight event? I missed how long the time period was during the stream.Pretty sure at some point they mentioned it was over the last week. So that's not gonna count the Hallowed Blight.
But the ranking after the event was totally messed up by the farming during the event.
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Erm… this is from an event?
Do you notice the magarita gens? -
These stats are lacking information.
When have these stats been taken? Did the time include the blight event?
Is this across all platforms? Can we get those splitted between Console and PC?
Are DCs included as kills? (Oh, Doc, I don't play Doc -> DC) Are 3 men games included?
And since survivor do not NEED to survive to "win" (pip) the stats are flawed to begin with.
A lot of survivor take unnecessary risks, because death doesn't mean anything to them. -
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Crythor
Don't bother with it dude, we have gone through this with Ducky already. We already explained all that to her. She does not understand it. We derailed an entire thread just to explain it every word imaginable. Several people tried it, but mathematics doesn't stick with her. Her bias is stronger than science.Are you assuming gender in 2018?
LUL
I think I remember Ducky refering to herself as "she" at some point.
But using "he" would be the same level of assumption and "it" would sound rude.
So what's your point beside trolling? -
Killer should give free unhooks and never hook someone two times in a row.
Survivor just deserve their benevolent points and safe unhook score events.
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@CubeyBlueDice said:
Too be honest I thought everyone would run SC and DS but I was wrong.They either lie or those that do, do not post here and play hush hush about it.
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I can't remember you making a point anywhere.
Just repeating some biased memes isn't "making a point" in my book. -
@Crythor
Don't bother with it dude, we have gone through this with Ducky already. We already explained all that to her. She does not understand it. We derailed an entire thread just to explain it every word imaginable. Several people tried it, but mathematics doesn't stick with her. Her bias is stronger than science. -
@Marvett said:
@Wolf74 said:
Sorry, but your lmfao clearly shows that it is completely pointless to explain anything to you.
I wonder whether it is the same with "lol" and "^^" 8-)
@Marvett said:
@Wolf74 said:
Sorry, but your lmfao clearly shows that it is completely pointless to explain anything to you.
I wonder whether it is the same with "lol" and "^^" 8-)
Actually not, since I only react on laughable comments, while Ducky is using it on perfectly valid points.
That's why I have no interest in educating her. -
@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
lol
Here we go again.^^I know, you have issues with math and if that is any kind of illness, I apologize, but if not...a) 2 survivor, survivor A is injured, survivor B is doing a gen. A heals himself while B keeps doing gens.
b) 2 survivor, survivor A is injured, survivor B is doing a gen. A goes to B and get healed. During that time 2 survivor are busy, but it only takes half the time.
BOTH versions will result in the same amount of total time spent healing and doing gens combine by the survivor.
But SC is negating the need to go and find someone.
Stop spreading these false memes.Yes, lets change the original thing you said which was
"a) each himself with SC at the same time"
"b) heal up each other one after the other"Your whole argument is based on two survivors being injured, but in this one only one of them needs to be healed?
implying that neither of them would be on a generator, but sure, we can change the scenarios half way through.You are aware that it doesn't chance anything about the MATHEMATICS (timemanagement), right?
If not, I am done debating with you anymore, but all other reading this will most likely "audibly laugh", cheers man. -
@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
Oh I love that meme.^^
That is so good… if you really suck at math.I am sure Ducky will agree on that one.^^2 injured people side by side heal a) each himself with SC at the same time or b) heal up each other one after the other.
Both variations result in both healed up at the same time.
And with SC you can eleminate that they have to find each other.
Now tell me again that SC takes longer.Or we have 1 gen left and 2 survivor play ping pong, if the killer commits to a full chase, he will lose the gen, if he only hit them once to chase them off, they just use SC to heal up.
Benefits the killer, right?But hey, who cares about logic.^^
Yea two injured survivors next to each other means a killer lost two people that are injured in end game, stupid scenario that only matters if the killer is god awful, next.
You also take NOTHING else into account, like, if they were to self care they're off the gens for a combined total of how ever long it takes to self care, as opposed of half the time from healing each other.
@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
Oh I love that meme.^^
That is so good… if you really suck at math.I am sure Ducky will agree on that one.^^2 injured people side by side heal a) each himself with SC at the same time or b) heal up each other one after the other.
Both variations result in both healed up at the same time.
And with SC you can eleminate that they have to find each other.
Now tell me again that SC takes longer.Or we have 1 gen left and 2 survivor play ping pong, if the killer commits to a full chase, he will lose the gen, if he only hit them once to chase them off, they just use SC to heal up.
Benefits the killer, right?But hey, who cares about logic.^^
Yea two injured survivors next to each other means a killer lost two people that are injured in end game, stupid scenario that only matters if the killer is god awful, next.
You also take NOTHING else into account, like, if they were to self care they're off the gens for a combined total of how ever long it takes to self care, as opposed of half the time from healing each other.
lol
Here we go again.^^I know, you have issues with math and if that is any kind of illness, I apologize, but if not...a) 2 survivor, survivor A is injured, survivor B is doing a gen. A heals himself while B keeps doing gens.
b) 2 survivor, survivor A is injured, survivor B is doing a gen. A goes to B and get healed. During that time 2 survivor are busy, but it only takes half the time.
BOTH versions will result in the same amount of total time spent healing and doing gens combine by the survivor.
But SC is negating the need to go and find someone.
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Oh I love that meme.^^
That is so good… if you really suck at math.I am sure Ducky will agree on that one.^^2 injured people side by side heal a) each himself with SC at the same time or b) heal up each other one after the other.
Both variations result in both healed up at the same time.
And with SC you can eleminate that they have to find each other.
Now tell me again that SC takes longer.Or we have 1 gen left and 2 survivor play ping pong, if the killer commits to a full chase, he will lose the gen, if he only hit them once to chase them off, they just use SC to heal up.
Benefits the killer, right?But hey, who cares about logic.^^
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Oh what a surprise WHO will be the one that will try to tell this is a bad idea…?
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@Wolf74 said:
Yea but this is the thing, I can agree with people on something, and disagree on others.
I hate dstrike, it's the dumbest [BAD WORD] perk in the game that can be nerfed into all eternity for all I care.
But when you get people who still want Self Care nerfed after healing in general has been nerfed, what are survivors supposed to do next? Spend 3 minutes self caring once?
And again you show your complete lack of understanding balance.^^
Self Care is still THE most OP perk in the game.But feel free to ignore anything else I said and focus on DS.^^
Anyway, I am not the only one that already told you that games in general get balanced around good/top player, only Dbd isn't doing it, and guess what? Dbd balance is a mess and everyone is complaining about it. Make your own ideas about any connections.Explain to me how self care is op lmfao.
Unlimited, self sufficient heals.
Sorry, but your lmfao clearly shows that it is completely pointless to explain anything to you.
All this has been explained a hundred times and in at least 10 of these times, you had been in the same thread talking about it, but you refuse to remember. -
@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely.So you want to put a well balanced perk like Noed in the same level as a frickin broken thing like DS?
Gotcha.
Screw balance, screw logic … survivor need to be protected from nasty surprises, because it's a horror game and that could scare them … #########?