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@Peanits gets it as wellPeanits said:If I had eight slots, I would get really bored really fast. Limiting it to four slots makes it so you have to choose which perks you want and create a build for a specific playstyle. With eight, you can just toss on everything. There would be no build diversity, you'd be able to run all the good ones all the time. Everyone would be a hack of all trades and it would make the game feel very stale after a while.
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@HeroLivesHeroLives said:
Oh a player with cultureVietfox said:
@HeroLivesHeroLives said:
There’s build diversity now? 😂 I always see the same repeating builds on both sides depending on playstyle and with killer characterVietfox said:I can do well enough with 4 perks, either as a killer or as a solo survivor.
Edit: if devs add more perk slots they'll kill build diversity.
I get your point, but there's build diversity on me
keep it classy!
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@HeroLivesHeroLives said:
There’s build diversity now? 😂 I always see the same repeating builds on both sides depending on playstyle and with killer characterVietfox said:I can do well enough with 4 perks, either as a killer or as a solo survivor.
Edit: if devs add more perk slots they'll kill build diversity.
I get your point, but there's build diversity on me
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I can do well enough with 4 perks, either as a killer or as a solo survivor.
Edit: if devs add more perk slots they'll kill build diversity. -
Noed and ds are fine
Swf are not that op
No one is gonna die irl just because someone escaped through the hatch, stop crying about it. -
@Mister_xDMister_xD said:that bubba racism...
damn you rly dont like em, do you?
they just want to be loved!also: no i dont facecamp.
unless there are certain cenarios, like you being hooked right next to an exit gate, scratchmarks around your hook (or any other notification that there is a survivor around, e.g. no one seen with BBQ), you being a very toxic / annoying player or its just me meming (<-- happens rarely though).
Not bubba racism. LF with speed addons is WAY more fun than insidious LF. -
I tbag at the exit gates when killer has been mean to survivors.
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My religion forbids me to derank on purpose.
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Nope, i don't camp. It's boring, scummy and you get less bloodpoints.
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@FoggyDownpour said:BNP was only worth using previously, I'd really rather it be removed entirely.
Yeah, right now it's a waste of 7K bps.@NoShinyPony said:I'd prefer if the devs would simply remove the BNP.
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Got home yesterday, played with friends and saw the same stuff as always, we got dodged lots of times. So i decided to become a killer main, except when my friends are available, and provide more matches to SWF.
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Yeah, i meant the way game is designed right now. Same way killers can see gen's auras without a perk.AlwaysInAGoodShape said:i don't want any killer/survivor perk to be part of the base kit.
Well, this is where bias comes in. To perceive things as a perk, you must believe that they are not detrimental to the core intended gameplay.
For example, we could easily interpret teammate healing as a perk. In no way is it obvious that you should be able to heal without a med-kit and just with your bare hands, while having an infinite healing surplus available.
I doubt that you'd want this removed and it becoming a perk and that's the thing with your stance.
If teammate healing would've never been integrated in the base-kit then you would've argued against it being integrated into the base-kit since it would've been a perk.
If you want more challenging gameplay then surely you'd want this perk to be removed from the base-kit of survivors.
Or perhaps the ability to see where a survivor is hooked and their aura while being hooked. This would require you to actually track the killer as otherwise you have no clue to where the survivor is hooked and thus requiring you time to find them (making the game harder yet again).The truth is, you'd want none of the above and you are really satisfied with all the build-in perks you've got. It's just a matter of semantics.
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I never use it, but it's a good perk.
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Leatherface is a really fun killer when using the right addons, but most of his addons need to be fixed and without the good addons LF sucks. He needs to be buffed.fluffybunny said:
I main Kate, but I also play Nea and Meg. Both Meg and Kate are P3, though only cause I wanted Meg's head and Kate's torso. With killer, I play any I feel like. I like wraith and trapper, but Billy is also fun.Vietfox said:
I main Feng as a survivor, run the others just when i got their dailies.fluffybunny said:
That's cool! Who are your favorites to play? I've only gotten to rank one as survivors. I'm just a newbie killer, though lol. I'd like to play around with killer more.Vietfox said:Survivor main here, rank 1 on both roles. 60% survivor 40% killer.
As a killer i main the Hag, but i also play with the others (mainly doctor, nurse and pig).
It's good to play both roles, if you get good as a killer you'll get better as a survivor and vice versa. If you only play one role you won't get as good as if you were playing both roles.
Yeah, I agree. The more I play killer, the more I understand survivor. I was waiting for BBQ and Chill for points and finally just caved and bought Leather Face. -
Why? JUST WHY? >_< (i took this pic, not from google)
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I main Feng as a survivor, run the others just when i got their dailies.fluffybunny said:
That's cool! Who are your favorites to play? I've only gotten to rank one as survivors. I'm just a newbie killer, though lol. I'd like to play around with killer more.Vietfox said:Survivor main here, rank 1 on both roles. 60% survivor 40% killer.
As a killer i main the Hag, but i also play with the others (mainly doctor, nurse and pig).
It's good to play both roles, if you get good as a killer you'll get better as a survivor and vice versa. If you only play one role you won't get as good as if you were playing both roles. -
FIND THE T-BAGGERS 😂
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Damn that sucks. What i do is to hook twice each survivor for each gen done, just in case. Anyway, glad you made them pay@PhantomMask20763 said:I have an interesting story. I was playing Spirit and a claudette wanted to farm because we all brought bloody party streamers. So I though, "well I've been playing normally for this even so I'll farm". And so they slammed me with some pallets and I let them get all the gens done and stuff and then they got the gates open and stuff. Then I was like "hey wanna let me hook some of you guys" but then they just left!!! They took advantage of me trying to be nice and I ended with a de-pip and less bloodpoints than what I would get if i played normally. However this story has a happy ending. They were a swf so I qued up again and there they were again. So I took an ebony mori on my spirit and brought the prayer beads and fathers glasses along with Franklin's demise just in case they brought a white ward. Fun times. Not a single gen done and they missed out on bps just like I did. I felt bad for a while but later I was like nah.
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Feel less lonely now.Rebel_Raven said:
Sorry to hear that! X[Vietfox said:Yeah, missed the double bps event because i was traveling, getting home now >_<
Been working heavily and barely got anything done, myself. -
Yeah, missed the double bps event because i was traveling, getting home now >_<
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Top 3 Best Survivors:
1 - Feng
2 - Feng
3 - FengTop 3 Worst Survivors:
1 - Jeff
2 - Jeff
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@Mister_xDMister_xD said:the nurses calling nerf hit doc hard enough.
stop hurting his feelings.
he just wants to be loved.
I never used NC on the doctor because i always thought it was a wasted perk slot on him. I mean, he's really good at tracking survivors... -
Imo HL should never give notifications to survivors. Any decent survivor can tell if killer is running HL after the first hook.
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Survivor main here, rank 1 on both roles. 60% survivor 40% killer.
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That's because you got used to play with BBQ. Drop it, get used to play without bbq and you'll see everything is fine.GT_Legend2 said:wirh all of the counters to BBQ, such as lockers, Distortion, gen aura brightness, hiding behind gen auras, it convinces me that everyone is nearby, and that doesn’t really make it fun, especially how the survivor just sees me looking around nearby rocks to find survivors that learner there, it just is a little ironic that it convinces me to ‘camp’ more -
As i said before "it's just a game", if you want more realism play Arma.AlwaysInAGoodShape said:It's a game and i will point my ass in their direction to get a smack on my butt every time i get the chance. >Saving a teammate is one of the best parts of the game.
If you don't want that just kill them before gates are open, run blood warden, etc...This is not an attack on saving teammates. It's not about wanting more kills.
It's about how certain consequences of un-thought-out mechanics turned the killer into a nanny (killer-castration) and kill off immersion.People's mind get baked and stuck on terrible ideas after being fed poison for too long;
It's a game and i will point my ass in their direction to get a smack on my butt every time i get the chance.
Why should you be able to think of this when we are talking about a killer with a deadly-sharp weapon? Normally you'd die in 1 go? Why should you be able to point your butt anywhere?
Next Step: Aknowledgement of always being insta downed is boring.
Next Step: So make someone 2 hits?
Problem: Well then they still die within a few seconds.
Next Step: After hitting someone, the killer is slowed and the survivor is sped up so that they can gain more distance and having a second chance at a chase.
New Problem: Well, now the killer can no longer do anything when the survivor is within a certain proximity of a safe-zone and cannot create havoc against groups dancing around them.
Next Step: Dev black-out. No longer continuing on this train of issues and solutions and players get socialised with the toddler-nanny gameplay unable to imagine differently.
Punishing survivors trying to save their teammates just because you don't like being tbagged at the exit gate is not the solution. -
I agree, we need a new subforum exclusively for people who keep complaining about the same stuff over and over instead of trying to get better.
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It's a game and i will point my ass in their direction to get a smack on my butt every time i get the chance. Saving a teammate is one of the best parts of the game.AlwaysInAGoodShape said:What if survivors want to stay behind the injured one and block the killer so all 4 of them can escape?
You are still asking for easier kills.
And btw... "instead survivor's should escape when they get the chance" Don't tell survivors what they should do if you don't want to be told what you should do as a killer.You make it sound like this is some sort of Survivor-Versus killer thing where I play the role of the angry killer; I'm not.
I'm tackling the issue that comes about due to certain mechanics that pussify killers and break immersion. In this particular one it's the exit-gate safezone effect.
What if survivors want to stay behind the injured one and block the killer
Yep, this is the pussified gameplay I'm talking about. When your friend is being chased by a killer, you don't point your ass in their direction to get a smack on your butt.
This is just an unintended effect that resulted from killers being stunned after hitting a survivor, so they have another chance at the chase.
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They can stay and not hit them if they want to waste their time, not that i care, it's just a suggestion.Rebel_Raven said:
Irony.Vietfox said:
What if survivors want to stay behind the injured one and block the killer so all 4 of them can escape?AlwaysInAGoodShape said:@Vietfox said:
If anyone is trying to escape and killer manages to reach the exit gate before survivor can leave that survivor will be blocked as long as other survivors are still in the match, right?
No, you are asking for a free kill.No, what I'm asking is a system that makes survivor play the way a survivor should around a killer. When the escape gates are open, the match shouldn't turn into this safe-zone/Safe-haven ruining any immersion left in the game.
Instead survivor's should escape when they get the chance and only consider staying if someone is already caught.
After they leave, they should believe in the last survivor's ability to escape, rather than becoming this retired party-meat jumping around the map.
You are still asking for easier kills.
And btw... "instead durvivor's should escape when they get the chance" Don't tell survivors what they should do if you don't want to be told what you should do as a killer.
Survivors camp the safe zone of the gate room. Killers don't like it. Gets told to just hit them out. -
What if survivors want to stay behind the injured one and block the killer so all 4 of them can escape?AlwaysInAGoodShape said:@Vietfox said:
If anyone is trying to escape and killer manages to reach the exit gate before survivor can leave that survivor will be blocked as long as other survivors are still in the match, right?
No, you are asking for a free kill.No, what I'm asking is a system that makes survivor play the way a survivor should around a killer. When the escape gates are open, the match shouldn't turn into this safe-zone/Safe-haven ruining any immersion left in the game.
Instead survivor's should escape when they get the chance and only consider staying if someone is already caught.
After they leave, they should believe in the last survivor's ability to escape, rather than becoming this retired party-meat jumping around the map.
You are still asking for easier kills.
And btw... "instead survivor's should escape when they get the chance" Don't tell survivors what they should do if you don't want to be told what you should do as a killer. -
If anyone is trying to escape and killer manages to reach the exit gate before survivor can leave that survivor will be blocked as long as other survivors are still in the match, right?
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I just need to pay more attention@GodDamn_Angela said:@Vietfox said:
I don't have any prejudice against any survivor, they are just skins.The "Claudette" skin does give you an invisible +1 to stealth though.
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@XxAtomicAlfiexXXxAtomicAlfiexX said:@Vietfox said:
I had a match against this guy and his other 2 swf + a random. I killed his friend but he dced before i could hook him for the 3rd time, random dced as well.
2 swf remaining, that guy looped me well for 2 gens (thanks to adrenaline and deliverance) but managed to get him and kill him eventually.
Btw, i was playing as the doctor, lvl 14 with lullaby 1, distressing 1, unnerving pressence 2.
you do know how to take screen shots, right?
Yeah i do but sometimes i'm just lazy and take a pic with my cellphone so i can send it straight to the forums.
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I use DS when i got the daily of being chased for 2 minutes or DS and SB just for the memes once every 2 months, but honestly i don't like nor need those perks at all because of the way i play. I find other perks way more useful (like the solo build i just shared with you) and one of the reasons why i don't run DS is because i don't plan on screwing up.Dokta_Carter said:@Vietfox One rewards you for screwing up, the other only works if you can time it correctly, and if you know how to juke..
If you know how to sneak then just sneak. Might not work 24/7 but it works most of the time
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Told ya!Dokta_Carter said:
I actually had an easier time surviving with that build hahaVietfox said:
Way better than the typical meta buildDokta_Carter said:@Vietfox I'll try it out sometime. Seems liie a good non mmeta build
But some people will keep saying "DeCiSivE sTriKe AnD sPriNt BuRsT aRe Op"... -
@lasombra1979lasombra1979 said:@Dwight_Fairfield said:
Megs and Claudettes.Anyone who hates Dwight......you truly have no soul!!!
Probably, well at least according to my ex wife yes, I have no soul.
But you still keep the wallet, right? Be thankful! -
@will_i_am_14_85 said:
Nea has always been attractive, what are you talking about?
@Vortexas said:Nea was always attractive, at least compared to the other female survivors save for kate, and feng.
I agree guys. Plus i've always liked short hair girls. -
@powerbatspowerbats said:@Vietfox said:
@powerbats said:I'd love to see them be more meaningful and the Bound Envelope I've always thought should benefit the killer as well similar to a BPS.
I wouldn't like that tbh, many times when me or someone else uses a BPS killer ended up camping for no reason. If they didn't do that i wouldn't mind but sucks to give extra bps to campers/hardtunnelers.
While I can see that it's no different than all the killers that cmap the moment they see a BPS offering or use on of theirs on the hopes the survivors do as well.
The campers are going to camp regardless of whether there's an offering or not.
Yeah they can still get points from BPS but at least it's only 1 offering killers can take points from.
If i get camped when using the green envelope at least i know killer won't get more bps thanks to me, that's what i meant.
Personally, if i see killers using a BPS i'll try to give them a good match (no genrush and stuff), and if i see they did bad i'll try to farm with them at the end of the match. Maybe even let them kill me if i know i got enough points to pip. -
@Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven said:How big does the rank gap have to be before you feel sorry for the killer?
Same colour rank should be enough. Although this game needs a rework on its rank system, but that's a different topic... -
Play a few more hours and you'll get used to it.
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Hue hue no Feng Mins so far :chuffed:
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@Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven said:
1: didn't say that it was just survivors. I'm well aware of killers depipping.Vietfox said:
@Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven said:
No, that very much illustrates what skill and perks can do for someone as well.Vietfox said:
@Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven said:
Like the "good killer", the lvl 18 leatherface you, and your homies stomped the hell out of?Vietfox said:More bps for facing swfs is a terrible idea.
Good killers already get more bps when playing against swf because they tend to be more altruistic, trigger more chases, etc. When i play against swf i always get more bps EVEN if i get less kills.
Giving more bps for facing swf would make more people to play as a killer, meaning that killers would have longer queues (especially during extra bps events).
How many blood points did he get?
I know you didn't do that intentionally, but there's a lot of survivors that want to.
Skill and perks shouldn't factor in since not everyone has high levels of skill, nor the arsenal of perks needed.
Also rank doesn't factor in what perks someone has which may tip the scales.
Extra bloodpoints for the abnormal spike in difficulty SWF provides really should happen.
That was a matchmaking issue, not a fair pvp between same ranks, and a problem that shouldn't have ever happened in the first place, that's why i posted it.
I totally agree that matchmaking should be fixed and not only that, if a group of swf have different ranks the highest one should be the one which counts for the matchmaking.
He clearly lacked the experience, skill, and perks to even make a dent in the difficulty you presented.
Smurfing survivors magnify the issue.
Basing things off an variable like skill, especially since SWF makes games easier for survivors and harder for killers at the same time is, well, dumb. You cannot accurately measure skill.
You should know full well by that experience that killers don't always make good bloodpoints when facing SWFs, too.
Normalizing your experience with SWFs with everyone elses is not a good thing to do. It vastly skews your point of view.
Bluntly the more you have in this game, the more out of touch you are with the issue.
If SWFs weren't a problem, we wouldn't be seeing threads complaining about them.
1 - Don't forget that both killers and survivors smurf by deranking on purpose, i know a few killers from this forum who do it.
2 - swf is a double edged sword.
When playing as a survivor, there are friends who can slow you down and make things more difficult.
When playing as a killer, i've met solo players who were tougher than swf.
3 - i can understand people complaining about certain stuff, but seriously, SERIOUSLY, most of the complaints can be solved with patience, effort and by getting better.
Note that i said "most of the complaints", by that i mean that i admit this game still needs some buffs for killers who need them the most and some other fixes, but right now this game is far from being as bad as people claim it is.
IMHO people are overreacting when it comes to swf.
I'm sure they're massive assoles, too for the most part.
But when killers depip, the survivors get something out of it. They certainly can't game the system as easily.
When survivors go for lower ranks they just screw with match making. Killers get nothing out of that.
2: lol no. SWF makes things easier. Imagine if that worse player was in a group of 4 solos?
The game is easier when the bad player is getting carried. It might slow the others down, but it's likely not enough.
3: Yeah, lets keep lvl 18 killers facing red ranks, and smurfs.
I'm sure the killers will just get better, and get those perks eventually! I mean they're rolling in bloodpoints even through that merciless ass whipping, right?
I'm sure they learn so much from people using troll tactics, and not giving them a shot in hell.
I've been seeing people in ranks that have zero business vsing me all event long. It's getting worse.
That worse player would do worse when playing solo but better players would do better without that bad survivor.
As i said, a rank 18 killer facing rank 1 survivors shouldn't be a thing.
Back to the topic: giving extra bps for playing against swf is a mistake for the reasons i estated before, like longer queues for killers. But if we were to implement it then we should give more bps to solo players facing killers with purple/pink addons or ebony moris as well because they would make the match way more difficult to solo survivors, don't you think? -
@Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven said:
No, that very much illustrates what skill and perks can do for someone as well.Vietfox said:
@Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven said:
Like the "good killer", the lvl 18 leatherface you, and your homies stomped the hell out of?Vietfox said:More bps for facing swfs is a terrible idea.
Good killers already get more bps when playing against swf because they tend to be more altruistic, trigger more chases, etc. When i play against swf i always get more bps EVEN if i get less kills.
Giving more bps for facing swf would make more people to play as a killer, meaning that killers would have longer queues (especially during extra bps events).
How many blood points did he get?
I know you didn't do that intentionally, but there's a lot of survivors that want to.
Skill and perks shouldn't factor in since not everyone has high levels of skill, nor the arsenal of perks needed.
Also rank doesn't factor in what perks someone has which may tip the scales.
Extra bloodpoints for the abnormal spike in difficulty SWF provides really should happen.
That was a matchmaking issue, not a fair pvp between same ranks, and a problem that shouldn't have ever happened in the first place, that's why i posted it.
I totally agree that matchmaking should be fixed and not only that, if a group of swf have different ranks the highest one should be the one which counts for the matchmaking.
He clearly lacked the experience, skill, and perks to even make a dent in the difficulty you presented.
Smurfing survivors magnify the issue.
Basing things off an variable like skill, especially since SWF makes games easier for survivors and harder for killers at the same time is, well, dumb. You cannot accurately measure skill.
You should know full well by that experience that killers don't always make good bloodpoints when facing SWFs, too.
Normalizing your experience with SWFs with everyone elses is not a good thing to do. It vastly skews your point of view.
Bluntly the more you have in this game, the more out of touch you are with the issue.
If SWFs weren't a problem, we wouldn't be seeing threads complaining about them.
1 - Don't forget that both killers and survivors smurf by deranking on purpose, i know a few killers from this forum who do it.
2 - swf is a double edged sword.
When playing as a survivor, there are friends who can slow you down and make things more difficult.
When playing as a killer, i've met solo players who were tougher than swf.
3 - i can understand people complaining about certain stuff, but seriously, SERIOUSLY, most of the complaints can be solved with patience, effort and by getting better.
Note that i said "most of the complaints", by that i mean that i admit this game still needs some buffs for killers who need them the most and some other fixes, but right now this game is far from being as bad as people claim it is.
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@TsulanTsulan said:
Across all ranks. So excuse me if I'm sceptical, when rank 20 survivors can't escape but skew the statistics.OrionsFury4789 said:
Survival rates are still under 50%.....I would hardly call that the power roleTsulan said:
Compensate? Survivors still hold the power role...DexyIV said:I'd like to see any mention at all from them. Most of the complaints and a lot of the survivor's power is siphoned into this dumb fundamentally flawed perk. If they nerf DS, there are so many things they could compensate survivors for (cough cough buff solo survivor by buffing aura perks). But it is a perk from a paid DLC...so maybe that's where their lack of satisfaction is coming from haha
Buff aura perks for solo survivors? Sure, if they really only work for solo players. Not SWF. Which happened to be in 70% of all matches. Otherwise you'd buff SWF. Which doesn't need a buff.
Also the disconnects count as not survived. I see a DC almost every match.
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@Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven said:
Like the "good killer", the lvl 18 leatherface you, and your homies stomped the hell out of?Vietfox said:More bps for facing swfs is a terrible idea.
Good killers already get more bps when playing against swf because they tend to be more altruistic, trigger more chases, etc. When i play against swf i always get more bps EVEN if i get less kills.
Giving more bps for facing swf would make more people to play as a killer, meaning that killers would have longer queues (especially during extra bps events).
How many blood points did he get?
I know you didn't do that intentionally, but there's a lot of survivors that want to.
Skill and perks shouldn't factor in since not everyone has high levels of skill, nor the arsenal of perks needed.
Also rank doesn't factor in what perks someone has which may tip the scales.
Extra bloodpoints for the abnormal spike in difficulty SWF provides really should happen.
That was a matchmaking issue, not a fair pvp between same ranks, and a problem that shouldn't have ever happened in the first place, that's why i posted it.
I totally agree that matchmaking should be fixed and not only that, if a group of swf have different ranks the highest one should be the one which counts for the matchmaking.
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At this point we should give to this chinese spammers their own subforum:
General discussions
Killers
Survivors
College degrees
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But i meant from killer's perspective. As i said, swf i face always provide more bps, no matter how skilled they are.Victory said:@Vietfox said:
More bps for facing swfs is a terrible idea.
Good killers already get more bps when playing against swf because they tend to be more altruistic, trigger more chases, etc. When i play against swf i always get more bps EVEN if i get less kills.
Giving more bps for facing swf would make more people to play as a killer, meaning that killers would have longer queues (especially during extra bps events).If were applying SKILL as a main factor, thats irrelevent, and this can just cause a loophole. GOOD swf wont be overly altrustic, in fact my swf teams we arent mega altruisitc we let people rot on hooks and rush gens, run 3 man -4 man ds's adrenalin etc and t he killer comes out with 9k-12k because the killer is at our mercy. This is why skill is not involved into this and whyI didn't even mention skill.
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More bps for facing swfs is a terrible idea.
Good killers already get more bps when playing against swf because they tend to be more altruistic, trigger more chases, etc. When i play against swf i always get more bps EVEN if i get less kills.
Giving more bps for facing swf would make more people to play as a killer, meaning that killers would have longer queues (especially during extra bps events).
