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@Roobnus said:
@powerbats said:
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Ebony mori is a UR blood web item and can not be maintained every match by virtue of the cost and scarcity. Try again.Cough Black Ward cough and yes it can if you're maxed out and you've got nothing else to spend bp on it's quite easy to stockpile them.
Please explain how you're going to use a Black Ward (an offering) while using an Ebony Mori (an offering) at the same time?
He didn't think that one through.
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@Milo said:
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This is also great. Doesn't apply for all SWF but ye.Killers don't care about version 2. It's the version 1 that you and your friends might not be that those killers encounter and base their opinions on.
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People, companies, do not stop anything until it is no longer profitable.
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@Poweas said:
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I love how nobody discusses my buff ideas because they're too upset because of my ideas to nerf NOED. Seriously #########. I didn't even suggest as big a nerf to NOED and they're still sad.It's pointless to discuss your ideas when they are sacrificing 1 of an army of good survivor perks for the 1 perk a killer has that can potentially turn around a gen rushed game. You keep your Adrenaline and we'll keep our NOED.
Well my other 2 aren't even bad ideas but you're too defensive of NOED. Btw I play killer and survivors EQUALLY I got a decent understanding of the game and I've been talking with people on this forum for a while about all 4 perks so I made an idea of nerfs to ones they hate and an idea of buffs for the ones they feel are weak. I'm not even 'sacrificing' these perks they'd still be viable but you seriously got to play survivor and see how hard it is to predict a 119% killer.
My nerf idea that I personally want for NOED is for the kilers to have everyone hooked at least once.
Stop protecting your precious crutch. The devs need to solve the CORE problems (genrushing, DS, and after the game is in an excellent spot, Nurse.) Bandaid fixes like NOED are stupid. While they've nerfed it enough it's obviously not healthy for the game and should be removed. The reason they won't remove DS is because it's a perk of a CHARACTER. But noed can be removed.
Crutches like that aren't healthy. And while I may play both sides, I will never defend some op mechanics like you. I.e NOED, DS, Genrushing, Instaheals, Adrenaline (lots of people say its op). Just at least see stuff from the other side.
None of this matters. You aren't the arbitrator of what is or isn't OP. There is no consensus and there is no stat showing 4ks handed out like candy because of NOED. So it comes down to you having an issue with NOED and offering nerf ideas to appease your own self interest. Call it a crutch, call it whatever you want. It doesn't bother me. You'll always have a late game threat from not cleaning the totems. Working as intended.
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@douggie123 said:
The killer should be able to shut hatch if they find it first before the survivor. It's also annoying because I can always find hatch easy as anything when playing killer but as survivor it takes an age to find it if at all.It's problematic. Against a Doctor the last survivor is not going to complete the final gen to escape which means they are forced to either give up or spend eons going back and forth between trying to do a gen and hiding. No thanks. I'd rather deal with the hatch.
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@Poweas said:
I love how nobody discusses my buff ideas because they're too upset because of my ideas to nerf NOED. Seriously #########. I didn't even suggest as big a nerf to NOED and they're still sad.It's pointless to discuss your ideas when they are sacrificing 1 of an army of good survivor perks for the 1 perk a killer has that can potentially turn around a gen rushed game. You keep your Adrenaline and we'll keep our NOED.
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@JawsIsTheNextKiller said:
Yes! If nobody can dodge lobbies then the SWFs will be spread out more fairly. I have to play the dodged SWFs while lobby dodgers are getting easier games.This isn't a job and there are no obligations to help. If you take on the responsibility of SWF games all day it's on you. Spreading around the cheats doesn't make it more fair it only puts everyone on the path to quitting.
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@Poweas said:
@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Okay calm down, don't touch adrenalin. It's my only hope if I get tunnelled in solo Q and reward is reasonable if u r alive so long.Ik but killers will cry if it's not nerfed. I don't want it to get nerfed myself, it's not that bad to deal with but killer mains get really, really mad if you don't nerf that but touch their sacred NOED.
Nah, we aren't going to cry because no nerfs are coming to NOED. It doesn't matter if you like it. It doesn't matter if you don't want to be forced to cleanse totems. It is an end game perk that can be removed over the course of the game and that can be avoided by cautiously leaving the match. It isn't any more powerful than Make Your Choice or a number of addons and powers. You're just going to have to Git Gud and deal with it.
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They don't care and they won't care until they implement dedicated servers, thrust 4 man SWFs on killers unprepared for them and watch their queues explode after about two weeks. I give it two weeks as most will try and persevere. But even the most diehard will inevitably succumb to the stress of knowing that the next game is yet more of the same with no reprieve.
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@SenzuDuck said:
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Yes, we do base balancing the game around what the best groups can do because if you do not then they can exploit whatever balance issue is there and become unbeatable.Yes, you can absolutely exploit bad killers, all they need to do is stop posting and play the game to gain more experience.
I find it odd how they all claim they dodge SWF but still have a major issue with it - almost like they just want the fun removed.
If you think SWF is hard, and you start buffing around that, you make the game impossible for solo players, well done, you've further ruined the game because some bad killers on the forum can't handle SWF.
At any point are you going to post something that isn't pointless rhetoric? The posts you are making are remedial. You can boil it down to "leave SWF broken and OP because i'd like to convince you that if you buff killers to deal with them you leave solo survivors hosed, while at the same time I hope that you aren't intelligent enough to know nerfing the living hell out of SWF will solve the issue and have none of the drawbacks."
Some of the best killers in this community know and state SWF is broken and you, an unknown in comparison, speak as if you breeze through SWF like it's nothing. It's all hot air. Nobody cares about potato groups it's about the best of the best getting a free ride because the game is exploitable with VoIP and they know how to do it to the Nth degree.
and almost everyone on this forum is a massive nobody but you expect us all to listen to them? If it looks like bias, swims like bias, and sounds like bias, then it probably is bias.
"You're a nobody Senzu, so everything you say doesn't mean anything, however all these nobody killers should be listened to because idk they agree with me".
That's right Senzu, you are an unknown and no one listens to your rhetoric particularly when it is so painfully obtuse and contrary to things fundamentally understood by the community. Even the devs have acknowledged the issues, they just don't care.
As for those nobody killers? Yeah, no. They are large streamers with cult followings that bring many players to the game and act as a constant source of entertainment for people interested in DbD. There are many days where watching one of them sparks my interest in playing and I'm certainly not alone.
What huge streamers are here talking about game issues? lmfao
You have tru3 &... who? lmao they certainly aren't here, are they.
Why would they be? The devs don't pay attention to this forum any more than they did the Steam forums. Reddit and private messages are where it's at. They also have better things to do than go over issues already talked about endlessly with unknown and intellectually dishonest people like yourself.
I love how upset you guys get by this forum.
Little bit of info for you, you're also a huge nobody. I have a different opinion to you, that's cool it's a free world. I'm sorry I don't struggle at every mechanic at this game like you do. I love playing against SWF, I never dodge lobbies and I don't cry about SWF.
I'm still super curious about this list of large streamers with cult followings that share the same "delete swf" ideology you have.
That's not called being dishonest it's called having a different opinion, surely someone with the huge intellectual capacity that someone such as yourself holds should understand that.
The main issue with this game is DS/Map Layouts. SWF is easy, stop crying and get better at the game.
I don't take you seriously my man. Hearing git gud from someone like you is akin to the survivor I kill telling me how bad I am after I removed them from the game. I can't stop them from saying it, but its self evident.
You guys are so cute, have a lovely day
You're not even a good troll. When I read delete SWF I knew I was talking to a low information poster willing to give just enough attention to have a reason to post but not attuned enough to understand the conversation in its entirety.
Right so anyway if you're going to continue this conversation - can I have all the evidence you must have of these large cult following streamers that want something done about SWF?
As far as I can tell the majority of them deal with SWF pretty well.
See how easy you are? Let me show you how you dismiss and ignore someone permanently.
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@SenzuDuck said:
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@SenzuDuck said:
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@SenzuDuck said:
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Yes, we do base balancing the game around what the best groups can do because if you do not then they can exploit whatever balance issue is there and become unbeatable.Yes, you can absolutely exploit bad killers, all they need to do is stop posting and play the game to gain more experience.
I find it odd how they all claim they dodge SWF but still have a major issue with it - almost like they just want the fun removed.
If you think SWF is hard, and you start buffing around that, you make the game impossible for solo players, well done, you've further ruined the game because some bad killers on the forum can't handle SWF.
At any point are you going to post something that isn't pointless rhetoric? The posts you are making are remedial. You can boil it down to "leave SWF broken and OP because i'd like to convince you that if you buff killers to deal with them you leave solo survivors hosed, while at the same time I hope that you aren't intelligent enough to know nerfing the living hell out of SWF will solve the issue and have none of the drawbacks."
Some of the best killers in this community know and state SWF is broken and you, an unknown in comparison, speak as if you breeze through SWF like it's nothing. It's all hot air. Nobody cares about potato groups it's about the best of the best getting a free ride because the game is exploitable with VoIP and they know how to do it to the Nth degree.
and almost everyone on this forum is a massive nobody but you expect us all to listen to them? If it looks like bias, swims like bias, and sounds like bias, then it probably is bias.
"You're a nobody Senzu, so everything you say doesn't mean anything, however all these nobody killers should be listened to because idk they agree with me".
That's right Senzu, you are an unknown and no one listens to your rhetoric particularly when it is so painfully obtuse and contrary to things fundamentally understood by the community. Even the devs have acknowledged the issues, they just don't care.
As for those nobody killers? Yeah, no. They are large streamers with cult followings that bring many players to the game and act as a constant source of entertainment for people interested in DbD. There are many days where watching one of them sparks my interest in playing and I'm certainly not alone.
What huge streamers are here talking about game issues? lmfao
You have tru3 &... who? lmao they certainly aren't here, are they.
Why would they be? The devs don't pay attention to this forum any more than they did the Steam forums. Reddit and private messages are where it's at. They also have better things to do than go over issues already talked about endlessly with unknown and intellectually dishonest people like yourself.
I love how upset you guys get by this forum.
Little bit of info for you, you're also a huge nobody. I have a different opinion to you, that's cool it's a free world. I'm sorry I don't struggle at every mechanic at this game like you do. I love playing against SWF, I never dodge lobbies and I don't cry about SWF.
I'm still super curious about this list of large streamers with cult followings that share the same "delete swf" ideology you have.
That's not called being dishonest it's called having a different opinion, surely someone with the huge intellectual capacity that someone such as yourself holds should understand that.
The main issue with this game is DS/Map Layouts. SWF is easy, stop crying and get better at the game.
I don't take you seriously my man. Hearing git gud from someone like you is akin to the survivor I kill telling me how bad I am after I removed them from the game. I can't stop them from saying it, but its self evident.
You guys are so cute, have a lovely day
You're not even a good troll. When I read delete SWF I knew I was talking to a low information poster willing to give just enough attention to have a reason to post but not attuned enough to understand the conversation in its entirety.
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@SenzuDuck said:
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@SenzuDuck said:
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Yes, we do base balancing the game around what the best groups can do because if you do not then they can exploit whatever balance issue is there and become unbeatable.Yes, you can absolutely exploit bad killers, all they need to do is stop posting and play the game to gain more experience.
I find it odd how they all claim they dodge SWF but still have a major issue with it - almost like they just want the fun removed.
If you think SWF is hard, and you start buffing around that, you make the game impossible for solo players, well done, you've further ruined the game because some bad killers on the forum can't handle SWF.
At any point are you going to post something that isn't pointless rhetoric? The posts you are making are remedial. You can boil it down to "leave SWF broken and OP because i'd like to convince you that if you buff killers to deal with them you leave solo survivors hosed, while at the same time I hope that you aren't intelligent enough to know nerfing the living hell out of SWF will solve the issue and have none of the drawbacks."
Some of the best killers in this community know and state SWF is broken and you, an unknown in comparison, speak as if you breeze through SWF like it's nothing. It's all hot air. Nobody cares about potato groups it's about the best of the best getting a free ride because the game is exploitable with VoIP and they know how to do it to the Nth degree.
and almost everyone on this forum is a massive nobody but you expect us all to listen to them? If it looks like bias, swims like bias, and sounds like bias, then it probably is bias.
"You're a nobody Senzu, so everything you say doesn't mean anything, however all these nobody killers should be listened to because idk they agree with me".
That's right Senzu, you are an unknown and no one listens to your rhetoric particularly when it is so painfully obtuse and contrary to things fundamentally understood by the community. Even the devs have acknowledged the issues, they just don't care.
As for those nobody killers? Yeah, no. They are large streamers with cult followings that bring many players to the game and act as a constant source of entertainment for people interested in DbD. There are many days where watching one of them sparks my interest in playing and I'm certainly not alone.
What huge streamers are here talking about game issues? lmfao
You have tru3 &... who? lmao they certainly aren't here, are they.
Why would they be? The devs don't pay attention to this forum any more than they did the Steam forums. Reddit and private messages are where it's at. They also have better things to do than go over issues already talked about endlessly with unknown and intellectually dishonest people like yourself.
I love how upset you guys get by this forum.
Little bit of info for you, you're also a huge nobody. I have a different opinion to you, that's cool it's a free world. I'm sorry I don't struggle at every mechanic at this game like you do. I love playing against SWF, I never dodge lobbies and I don't cry about SWF.
I'm still super curious about this list of large streamers with cult followings that share the same "delete swf" ideology you have.
That's not called being dishonest it's called having a different opinion, surely someone with the huge intellectual capacity that someone such as yourself holds should understand that.
The main issue with this game is DS/Map Layouts. SWF is easy, stop crying and get better at the game.
I don't take you seriously my man. Hearing git gud from someone like you is akin to the survivor I kill telling me how bad I am after I removed them from the game. I can't stop them from saying it, but its self evident.
No one said to delete swf either but when you talk to yourself and only hear or read what you want to argue against and not what the people say it's easy to make those mistakes.
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@SenzuDuck said:
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@SenzuDuck said:
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@SenzuDuck said:
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Yes, we do base balancing the game around what the best groups can do because if you do not then they can exploit whatever balance issue is there and become unbeatable.Yes, you can absolutely exploit bad killers, all they need to do is stop posting and play the game to gain more experience.
I find it odd how they all claim they dodge SWF but still have a major issue with it - almost like they just want the fun removed.
If you think SWF is hard, and you start buffing around that, you make the game impossible for solo players, well done, you've further ruined the game because some bad killers on the forum can't handle SWF.
At any point are you going to post something that isn't pointless rhetoric? The posts you are making are remedial. You can boil it down to "leave SWF broken and OP because i'd like to convince you that if you buff killers to deal with them you leave solo survivors hosed, while at the same time I hope that you aren't intelligent enough to know nerfing the living hell out of SWF will solve the issue and have none of the drawbacks."
Some of the best killers in this community know and state SWF is broken and you, an unknown in comparison, speak as if you breeze through SWF like it's nothing. It's all hot air. Nobody cares about potato groups it's about the best of the best getting a free ride because the game is exploitable with VoIP and they know how to do it to the Nth degree.
and almost everyone on this forum is a massive nobody but you expect us all to listen to them? If it looks like bias, swims like bias, and sounds like bias, then it probably is bias.
"You're a nobody Senzu, so everything you say doesn't mean anything, however all these nobody killers should be listened to because idk they agree with me".
That's right Senzu, you are an unknown and no one listens to your rhetoric particularly when it is so painfully obtuse and contrary to things fundamentally understood by the community. Even the devs have acknowledged the issues, they just don't care.
As for those nobody killers? Yeah, no. They are large streamers with cult followings that bring many players to the game and act as a constant source of entertainment for people interested in DbD. There are many days where watching one of them sparks my interest in playing and I'm certainly not alone.
What huge streamers are here talking about game issues? lmfao
You have tru3 &... who? lmao they certainly aren't here, are they.
Why would they be? The devs don't pay attention to this forum any more than they did the Steam forums. Reddit and private messages are where it's at. They also have better things to do than go over issues already talked about endlessly with unknown and intellectually dishonest people like yourself.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tucking_Friggered said:
@SenzuDuck said:
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Yes, we do base balancing the game around what the best groups can do because if you do not then they can exploit whatever balance issue is there and become unbeatable.Yes, you can absolutely exploit bad killers, all they need to do is stop posting and play the game to gain more experience.
I find it odd how they all claim they dodge SWF but still have a major issue with it - almost like they just want the fun removed.
If you think SWF is hard, and you start buffing around that, you make the game impossible for solo players, well done, you've further ruined the game because some bad killers on the forum can't handle SWF.
At any point are you going to post something that isn't pointless rhetoric? The posts you are making are remedial. You can boil it down to "leave SWF broken and OP because i'd like to convince you that if you buff killers to deal with them you leave solo survivors hosed, while at the same time I hope that you aren't intelligent enough to know nerfing the living hell out of SWF will solve the issue and have none of the drawbacks."
Some of the best killers in this community know and state SWF is broken and you, an unknown in comparison, speak as if you breeze through SWF like it's nothing. It's all hot air. Nobody cares about potato groups it's about the best of the best getting a free ride because the game is exploitable with VoIP and they know how to do it to the Nth degree.
and almost everyone on this forum is a massive nobody but you expect us all to listen to them? If it looks like bias, swims like bias, and sounds like bias, then it probably is bias.
"You're a nobody Senzu, so everything you say doesn't mean anything, however all these nobody killers should be listened to because idk they agree with me".
That's right Senzu, you are an unknown and no one listens to your rhetoric particularly when it is so painfully obtuse and contrary to things fundamentally understood by the community. Even the devs have acknowledged the issues, they just don't care.
As for those nobody killers? Yeah, no. They are large streamers with cult followings that bring many players to the game and act as a constant source of entertainment for people interested in DbD. There are many days where watching one of them sparks my interest in playing and I'm certainly not alone.
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@SenzuDuck said:
@Tucking_Friggered said:
Yes, we do base balancing the game around what the best groups can do because if you do not then they can exploit whatever balance issue is there and become unbeatable.Yes, you can absolutely exploit bad killers, all they need to do is stop posting and play the game to gain more experience.
I find it odd how they all claim they dodge SWF but still have a major issue with it - almost like they just want the fun removed.
If you think SWF is hard, and you start buffing around that, you make the game impossible for solo players, well done, you've further ruined the game because some bad killers on the forum can't handle SWF.
At any point are you going to post something that isn't pointless rhetoric? The posts you are making are remedial. You can boil it down to "leave SWF broken and OP because i'd like to convince you that if you buff killers to deal with them you leave solo survivors hosed, while at the same time I hope that you aren't intelligent enough to know nerfing the living hell out of SWF will solve the issue and have none of the drawbacks."
Some of the best killers in this community know and state SWF is broken and you, an unknown in comparison, speak as if you breeze through SWF like it's nothing. It's all hot air. Nobody cares about potato groups it's about the best of the best getting a free ride because the game is exploitable with VoIP and they know how to do it to the Nth degree.
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Yes, we do base balancing the game around what the best groups can do because if you do not then they can exploit whatever balance issue is there and become unbeatable.
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@SenzuDuck said:
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It doesn't matter what the worst SWF teams can do, it only matters what the best can. If the best can play in a way that makes winning all but impossible for any but a dedicated Nurse then there is a problem.Every killer could run Ebony Mori so we should be balancing around that as well.
Ebony mori is a UR blood web item and can not be maintained every match by virtue of the cost and scarcity. Try again.
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It doesn't matter what the worst SWF teams can do, it only matters what the best can. If the best can play in a way that makes winning all but impossible for any but a dedicated Nurse then there is a problem.
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@Warlock_2020 said:
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Yes Warlock I do in fact think that the couch jockey should avoid labeling the absolute worst player in the professional sports league bad. Being the worst of the best is still better than the rest of the lethargic masses by magnitudes.
Whether Tyde is better than the others or not he is still far beyond most of the general community. Tyde hits rank 1 survivor or killer whenever he cares too.
Your singling out of him came off as more political and grudge based. You could have simply gave your own list. While I do not know Tyde personally I have joined his Twitch and follow his YouTube videos and I'm not going to go along with him being smacked on and not give a counter.
Wow, 6was not aware that I was speaking with his #1 fan. You seem to take this all very serious. I made a simple, admittedly sarcastic, comment about how I agreed with all you said up till you mentioned Tyde, and go full blown attack dog for the guy.
Just about any of us can reach rank 1 at will. That is not hard to do. I met a 10 year old , who should not be playing this game, who is a rank 1 killer with 5 p3 killers. Skill has Jack to do with it. Tyde is a joke when compared to the others you mentioned and that is all there is to it. Now, back to the topic at hand.
Seeing profiles is pointless and only lends to griefing. Even survivor profiles. If anyone cared about reputation in this game then most of the toxic behavior would be bannable. It is not, so forget about it.
When you can prove that you can duplicate what he does then you can state things as a matter of fact and have them taken seriously. Until then, no.
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@Warlock_2020 said:
Yes Warlock I do in fact think that the couch jockey should avoid labeling the absolute worst player in the professional sports league bad. Being the worst of the best is still better than the rest of the lethargic masses by magnitudes.
Whether Tyde is better than the others or not he is still far beyond most of the general community. Tyde hits rank 1 survivor or killer whenever he cares too.
Your singling out of him came off as more political and grudge based. You could have simply gave your own list. While I do not know Tyde personally I have joined his Twitch and follow his YouTube videos and I'm not going to go along with him being smacked on and not give a counter. -
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I don't think either side should be able to see names. All that does is allow people to target specific people or dodge to get easier matches. I feel like showing survivors the killer's name would just cause survivors to dodge the killers that previously beat them as well.But to play devil's advocate, what's stopping me from from just changing my name after each match so people don't recognize me? What benefit does it provide other than allowing people to dodge challenging matches and draw up queue times for everyone?
I recognize the pre dedicated server propaganda when I see it. I can't wait for this to come and to laugh at the outcome when it does. You are not going to have a killer community stuck with only SWF games. Whoever has sold you on this idea has did you a great disservice.
The recent event showed you just how easy it is for a point discrepancy to shift the scales. Now when you have your majority mediocre killer players (most are not Marth, Tru, Tyde, or Monto) thrown to the wolves of dedicated swf groups how do you deduce it's going to go over well?
Having heard Mclean acknowledge it's broken and blow it off and Mathieu tell his player base and revenue stream to play another game I can't say that it is surprising. But it is none the less akin to watching the awkward unathletic person detail to the crowd how they are going to pull of this insane stunt that requires the pinnacle of athletic finesse. The crowd can only stare humorously as they already know how it is going to turn out.
You had me until you put Tyde in that list. Dude does not belong there. He is not a great killer or survivor. Honestly, he gets owned because he makes so many mistakes, then cries about overpowered survivors.
Sorry...that guy annoys me to no end.
Can you link your channel? I'd love to watch your videos and see what you do different. I mean if you can analyze his playstyle to such a degree and judge it poorly you must be one of the best.
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Until you lose killers with gigabit tier internet in your locality and get stuck playing on a budget server 3 states away. I feel for people on bad connections but people on high speed connections that may be forced to play on garbage servers are not going to stick around long. If they spend the money and get decent servers, great, but if they do not then it's an issue.
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@fcc2014 said:
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Sure I do. Just not the type of cheat code activated, smack talking because they have unlimited communication and intel, perk breaking type SWF brings.
So you are an inferior player to those who play against everyone and still excel. You want easy mode.
I can't take you serious as you talk about skill while using VoIP. And you do so like you have some type of community consensus. It's amusing though. But above that I can't find a F to give about what you think about my skill. If it makes you feel better saying I don't want X, feel free. In the end I'm still dodging the SWFs or in the absence of the ability to do so, playing something else. What are you going to do about it? Pretend I care about some random internet name smacking in the forums?
I play killer too and don't use voice chat. I don't duck lobbies because it is a game. It won't crush me if i get beat by a coordinated group because i can just play another match. I figured two days ago you would dodge and have no desire to have any challenge playing this game. I was just seeing if you would dodge and rage quit here too. What exactly will you do when everyone loads in at the same time? I'm sure you can just dc when things don't go your way but since rank reset is in 2 days, just something spend the first half not choosing your lobbies only closing it for bad ping. See if it really messes with your rank, bloodpoints, enjoyment overall whatever you use this game to measure by.
See anyone can make this claim to try and give their position a leg to stand on. But until you face SWF every game and have no way out of it while persevering game after game it's all hot air. You aren't a killer trying to defend SWF even if you say you are or play killer some of the time. You are a SWF that doesn't have to face SWF and want to defend having it forced on everyone. Anyone can log on and play killer occasionally and deal with a SWF. That is not in the same plane of existence as being a dedicated killer and having it every single match thanks to a server change. But we can go back and forth all day long and get nowhere. When this change occurs you will come to understand the consequences and there isn't going to be a hotfix for it.
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@Victory said:
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@Kamikaze_Rose said:
We don't like Cheat With Friends as much as you don't like hearing about Cheat With Friends, so the way I see it, we're all even.
Playing with your friends isn't cheating, I'm sorry you haven't any friends to play with. That is def not how you make any.
Killers can't form parties. We have plenty of friends in other killers. Try and make a real point next time.
Play survivor maybe? its 4v1. Survivors having friends isn't cheating thats the point, please read the statement before commenting. Killer isn't meant to, survivor is hence it being an actual FEATURE in the game, shocking.
Keep trying! You'll eventually understand the context of what you said and what I said.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Tucking_Friggered said:
Sure I do. Just not the type of cheat code activated, smack talking because they have unlimited communication and intel, perk breaking type SWF brings.
So you are an inferior player to those who play against everyone and still excel. You want easy mode.
I can't take you serious as you talk about skill while using VoIP. And you do so like you have some type of community consensus. It's amusing though. But above that I can't find a F to give about what you think about my skill. If it makes you feel better saying I don't want X, feel free. In the end I'm still dodging the SWFs or in the absence of the ability to do so, playing something else. What are you going to do about it? Pretend I care about some random internet name smacking in the forums?
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Well the forums are always fun so when the change occurs and the queues go up please keep that same energy. Do not make posts asking for a fix to the queue times as I have a long memory and will be here to point out your "they don't matter attitude".
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@Peanits said:
I don't think either side should be able to see names. All that does is allow people to target specific people or dodge to get easier matches. I feel like showing survivors the killer's name would just cause survivors to dodge the killers that previously beat them as well.But to play devil's advocate, what's stopping me from from just changing my name after each match so people don't recognize me? What benefit does it provide other than allowing people to dodge challenging matches and draw up queue times for everyone?
I recognize the pre dedicated server propaganda when I see it. I can't wait for this to come and to laugh at the outcome when it does. You are not going to have a killer community stuck with only SWF games. Whoever has sold you on this idea has did you a great disservice.
The recent event showed you just how easy it is for a point discrepancy to shift the scales. Now when you have your majority mediocre killer players (most are not Marth, Tru, Tyde, or Monto) thrown to the wolves of dedicated swf groups how do you deduce it's going to go over well?
Having heard Mclean acknowledge it's broken and blow it off and Mathieu tell his player base and revenue stream to play another game I can't say that it is surprising. But it is none the less akin to watching the awkward unathletic person detail to the crowd how they are going to pull of this insane stunt that requires the pinnacle of athletic finesse. The crowd can only stare humorously as they already know how it is going to turn out.
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That's nice dear. But it doesn't matter what they want it matters what people will stick around for. You're under the assumption that if you trick people into playing SWF they won't simply close down the game and quit when it becomes obvious and will stick around and endure. Not only that but accept it and just learn to cope. I assert that you and perhaps the devs are under a delusion.
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@twistedmonkey said:
And what happens when SWF dont fall into your way of knowing by changing clothes, items and hiding profiles? what happens if the devs remove survivor profiles from the lobby? how will you ever know? players can adapt and they will, just like the majority of good killer out there that do not care about SWF.
Its not a threat about banning you, it has been happening for months, go ahead DC a lot, do you really think the devs care about a random salty people such as yourself that wants to cherry pick games to make them easier? you seem to think very highly of yourself.
At the end of the day its a game, run by people trying to make money, if you cant see why they would try and stop this from happening to the largest demographic then you must be blind, i suggest maybe you should start looking for another game as you cleary have issues with this one!
I've played since the beginning and I have seen so many people such as yourself make the same threats over and over, this game will die, lobby times will get longer, enjoy no killer blah blah and none of it has ever happened and funnily enough as I already said the game has been growing steadily, its just a lot of hot air and empty threats from some players akin to throwing their toys out the pram screaming "its not fair, its not fair, I want, I want" yet again.
The question is if there is something out there better why aren't you already playing it? Hmmmm.......
Actually I am playing a lot of different games my man. I don't play DbD that much sans a game or two here and there when bored. That said I am still capable of dodging SWF and until I am not I have a workaround. I don't understand what your difficulty in understanding the premise is.
DbD might be growing but it isn't growing evenly in the way needed as it is mostly SWF squads from other games looking to come and bully killers after watching Ochido vids and such.
I'm not going to banned because I'm not going to stick around when it is obvious all I am facing is SWF and repeatedly disconnect. I'll move on to more productive endeavors as will many killers and leave you and Mathieu begging for players to play the killer like you had to do for this event.
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@twistedmonkey said:
Tucking_Friggered said:@twistedmonkey said:
Tucking_Friggered said:
What the devs accept as fair game and what the player base will actually log in and play under are two separate things and only one matters.They can make any ruleset they care to but unless they have people playing it won't matter.
Well since the game came out players like yourself have said the same things over and over and yet the game has kept growning, what does that tell you.
That they haven't tried to force SWF on killers.
Of course they have or it wouldnt have stayed in the game, the new match making will be the biggest change on top of that to forcing you so far so I guess you now have a choice to make.
You are making a lot of assumptions. But at the end of the day killers know who is SWF once they get in game if not by how they equip. For many the game will be closed down. I can tell you that threatening to ban me won't matter in slightest as I'll simply take that as my queue to leave and go play something else. That doesn't help your issue in the slightest as you will still sit in queue ultimately. There are not enough people willing to endure SWF to alleviate that and if they existed you wouldn't be having this issue now. It's akin to saying if you ignore the cancer it won't kill you.
Let me reiterate it for you and the dev team. We, as in those who refuse to play under those circumstances, can't find a single F to give about SWF players and their issues. We don't care how profitable letting them make fools of killers are. No matter what you try and enforce will have no effect as we will simply not play and there is no trump card to that.
So our choice will be made and we'll play something else better. Now you have a choice too. How long will you wait in queues before you realize that you didn't get what you wanted and that you are absolutely powerless in enforcing what the killer will endure?
The end.
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@twistedmonkey said:
Tucking_Friggered said:What the devs accept as fair game and what the player base will actually log in and play under are two separate things and only one matters.They can make any ruleset they care to but unless they have people playing it won't matter.
Well since the game came out players like yourself have said the same things over and over and yet the game has kept growning, what does that tell you.
That they haven't tried to force SWF on killers.
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@twistedmonkey said:
knell said:@twistedmonkey said:
So why not allow survivors to dodge lobbies for what they think is unfair?
They allowed survivors to dodge lobbies but removed it as killer complained, now survivors are being dodged does that not constitute exactly the same scenario? The lobby scenario to see survivors is so you can setup not to cherry pick but if you want that option removed by all means justify the behaviour.
It's just being hypocritical accept the game for what it is or it simply being petty about something you don't agree with nothing more.
Like I said, when killers close down lobbies, it's to correct the imbalance of SWF and Voice Chat. Why would the survivors need to dodge certain killers? What game imbalance are they correcting?
That's just trying to justify the reason for doing it, anything that is accepted by the devs is fair game.
You are saying because something is unbalanced you have the right to dodge, you know some perks are unbalanced on both sides should these then be shown so each side can cherry pick what they wish to play agaisnt?
The Nurse can be unbalanced to some players should they have the right to dodge all Nurse players?
No matter how you try to sugar coat it it is abusing the system just like the survivors did so it was rightly taken away, just like those who derank and dc should be dealt with better also, abusing something because you feel it shouldn't be in the game is all you are doing nothing else, you are just as bad as those survivors in the past.
What the devs accept as fair game and what the player base will actually log in and play under are two separate things and only one matters.They can make any ruleset they care to but unless they have people playing it won't matter.
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@Dark_Whorse said:
I don't even know what to do about them anymore, if my game isn't a 3 man these days from the ######### servers DCing someone mid match it's a game against people who have hundreds of hours on me all communicating together. Gotten to the point that I am no longer having fun playing Killer, and I don't enjoy Survivor, this has pushed me to the edge of uninstalling with how utterly frustrating dealing with SWFs is. I'm a Pig main, obviously by the avatar choice, and now that I've been playing through the purple ranks and dealing with mostly red rank parties (just got destroyed by 3 red ranks and a rank 19 SWF); I have to ask myself is it even worth playing?This game seems to encourage a Peter principle when it comes to playing, as I'm now running into players that playing and winning against is a chore in and of itself. "Git gud" is the usual answer here, but if getting better just means I eventually hit the red ranks and am stuck in nothing but frustrating matches with no alternatives other than to play some busted killer to do well instead of one I enjoy, I don't see why I should bother playing my heart out.
Is there anything I can even do to beat SWFs that are all spread out and working together, letting each other know when I'm in a chase so they can work on gens, or blinding me and running perfect loops. It seems like as soon as I knock one down, a generator goes off across the map or my totem explodes, and I have to choose between dealing with that person who is down and also more than likely has their flashlight friend running up to blind me or their toolbox buddy sabo'ing the hooks, or trying to put pressure on my gens.
TL;DR: This sucks, I'm not having fun anymore because of SWFs and the ranking system. What can I do?
Play some Civ.
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@Giddawid said:
@KingB said:
The more threads there are the more the devs will listen. Persistence is key.Sometimes, one good thread is all it takes; with a good discussion, the pros and cons, the change itself, pros and cons of the change, and a summary of why it would improve the game. Aim for quality over quantity.
And yes, we are always happy to listen to your feedback
There is no way you said that with a straight face. I bet you had the office laughing like hyenas.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Tucking_Friggered said:
It doesn't matter. I and many others do not want to extend the advantage to a group that have not earned said advantage. They play under an easier ruleset than those survivors who play solo.
You don't want any competition.
Sure I do. Just not the type of cheat code activated, smack talking because they have unlimited communication and intel, perk breaking type SWF brings.
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@Victory said:
@Kamikaze_Rose said:
We don't like Cheat With Friends as much as you don't like hearing about Cheat With Friends, so the way I see it, we're all even.Playing with your friends isn't cheating, I'm sorry you haven't any friends to play with. That is def not how you make any.
Killers can't form parties. We have plenty of friends in other killers. Try and make a real point next time.
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@ZeroGaiden said:
Yea I do think it's needed to slow down the game but then you get matches when ruin is gone in the 1st 10 seconds of the game adn it's pointless. Which is why I'm using Hunt lullaby which is I think is simply better if its not broken at 5 stacks with survivors relying on the sound que for the skill check. Not only that, it seems survivor don't bother with totems if it's not ruin apparently.If it is destroyed that fast it earned you intel on your first down. Use it.
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@Vietfox said:
@Tucking_Friggered said:@Vietfox said:
@fcc2014 said:
@Vietfox have you joined lobby dodgers anonymous????
Never! I would rather uninstall DbD than becoming a lobby dodger.
See, this is why SWF/non SWF queues would be perfect! You can spend your day banging your head against....having a great time with SWF groups, while those that weren't up for the good time could play a more mundane group. Win/win.
Some of you overestimate SWF. Most of them are not even close to be a death squad and they usually provide more bloodpoints than solos, also they are more predictable.
Having different queues for solos and swf would be a mistake and i don't really think i need to explain why.It doesn't matter. I and many others do not want to extend the advantage to a group that have not earned said advantage. They play under an easier ruleset than those survivors who play solo. When you say it is a mistake, that rings that as much as you want to come off as balls to the wall against all challengers you know there is a difference and that most would not bother.
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See, this is why SWF/non SWF queues would be perfect! You can spend your day banging your head against....having a great time with SWF groups, while those that weren't up for the good time could play a more mundane group. Win/win.
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@Giddawid said:
I would still play killer, yesYou're paid to say that.
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@twistedmonkey said:
All these replies just prove my point, dodging for anything that is accepted is just because you think it's unfair and not fun.The devs accept voice chat, the devs could easily disable swf if they believe it is not meant to work that way, the devs willl not as playing with friends and voice chat go hand in hand and it would impact sales, that's the bottom line it IS part of the game third party program or not.
You want to keep cherry picking games and try to justify it nothing else, yes swf is unbalanced but it's a game and everything in it accepted should be fair game, the devs need to sort it it is not on the players to decide that and to think otherwise is just using an excuse to fit your narative.
Keep dodging though as like they did with those survivors who abused it as it was rh right thing to do the ability will be taken away from killers as well, you will then threaten to leave and say the queues will become long but in the end like all of what has been complained about in the past the game will go on and those of us that do accept the game as is flaws and all.
The decent players will continue to give feedback and the stats needed by playing each and every game helping the game become better without stamping our feet and cherry picking games pouting behind a monitor stating thats unfair.
The International Chess Federation could decide rooks now get two moves for white while retaining 1 for black but it doesn't mean the players will accept it. You/They can make any grand proclamation but you can't force people to play like that. They simply log off or DC. Once you start banning people for doing so you'll end up with even longer queues as if you had willing replacements they'd be around already.
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@Tsulan said:
@OrionsFury4789 said:
Tsulan said:@SIlentCetra said:
@Broosmeister said:
Killers want easy games because they aren't that good in the game.
Survs want easy games because most of them are ######### at the game.> @Tsulan said:
Aven_Fallen said:
@Tsulan said:
Survivors lobby dodged in order to play with their friends until the devs introduced SWF.
That was totally normal and acceptable.
Killers lobby dodge in order to avoid playing against SWF? "This needs to be addressed asap! They need to be punished!!!"
Hypocrisy at its finest.
You cannot do a Multiplayer Onlinegame without expecting that Friends want to play together. And I am not talking about 4 Man SWFs who want to bully Killers, there are way more normal SWFs (2,3 and 4 Man) who play completely normally.
But it is surely not intended that Killers can decide that they want the easy games.
btw. every Killer that does not dodge has my respect. Those are either the Killers that really play fair and for fun or the really good Killers.
But survivors can decide to have easy games by playing in a way the game was never intended to? Or by last second switching?
I never lobby dodge, not because I am good, and certainly not because I enjoy going up against 4 stacks; but because I know i will never BECOME a good killer by dodging the harder games like a little #########. What am I rewarded with? "GG EZ ahahahaha" -___-
Still, I won't give in to these pricks by becoming them.
SWF complain about dodging killers. But they disconnect the moment they can´t bully a killer.
Yea maybe those potatoes you're facing with that rank 15 you're rocking , that crap rarely happens at rank 1 , you're against people who literally don't care at that stage
Yeah, they really look like rank 15 potatoes...
Fully decked death squad that tried to bully low rank killers.
Would you prefer some rank 1 screenshots?
How about perk- and addon-less Freddy?
That level of ownage, both to the people in game and to the person that tried to dismiss your point, was completely uncalled for and a flagrant foul. Frankly it was abusive. You should almost feel bad.
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@NoShinyPony said:
It's just a hypothetical question: If you could not dodge lobbies anymore (except for bad ping), would you still play killer?This thread is NOT for discussing why killers are lobby dodging or whether lobby dodging is bad etc...
Please stick to the topic and stay polite, it's a simple survey.No with the caveat if I had a warning this was SWF and potentially a way to bypass it when I didn't feel like it I would be more open to doing so when I was in a good mood.. I'm not playing stressed and the rodeo clown for Behav10r's profit. You can threaten whatever you want the game will end and after a few times of it I'll simply log off and play something else.
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@SpongeBob420Pants said:
There seems to be an epidemic of lobby dodging, I sometimes get lobby dodged 10+ times in a row, different survivor characters as well. These Idiot killer players will dodge 1 survivor with P3 head, or 1 survivor with a flashlight, I only play solo que and I'm always at red rank, I play both killer and survivor and the only thing I would lobby dodge as a killer is a 4 man SWF with 4 P3s 4 Items (key, map,whatever else). I don't understand how people find games if they dodge just about anything. There needs to be some kind of punishment for excess lobby dodgeStop trash talking after every match. It's caught up with you.
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@MhhBurgers said:
@Tucking_Friggered said:
@Paddy4583 said:
Luckily not all killers a pussys and they don’t all dodge at all, I think it’s an American thing, you know what they are like.Said someone that would not say so to anyone in America. We have tourists from the world over and I've never seen or heard one going on an anti-American rant in public. I guess talk is cheap and particularly easy online.
Nope, in America the outsiders are real humble and polite.
While he's racist, you're implying that Americans are somehow tougher than others which is also not true and also racist.
Tougher? Not per se. But we have a gun culture and we'll put a hole in your ass fairly quickly in a way other nations don't quite compare to. Perhaps in parts of Africa and the like but with them it is usually tribal and over resources where in America we kill people just for talking smack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbC9Mb1NUa8This dude rapping has a street rep with 1/2 a dozen or more bodies. Confirmed. Not only does he not give a single "F" there is a whole city of others like him. And that's just one city in the states.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SCkRyUoMIHere's another one. Confirmed most of the names on the hoody.
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@Paddy4583 said:
Luckily not all killers a pussys and they don’t all dodge at all, I think it’s an American thing, you know what they are like.Said someone that would not say so to anyone in America. We have tourists from the world over and I've never seen or heard one going on an anti-American rant in public. I guess talk is cheap and particularly easy online.
Nope, in America the outsiders are real humble and polite.
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@BO0ON said:
Ok, whoa there.. Survivors DC cause of a hidden offering, I don't buy it. Maybe in your experience, however it seems to be less likely that survivors would do that as a killer dodges more lobbies than they can actually play. And as I said before, when survivors leave durning the game we are penalized for it and you killers get quitters bonus. Not to mention that you can also report the player for leaving too, soo something can be done about that, but what is being done about the dodging.. Just more dodging.@Ryuhi said:
@BO0ON said:
But finding a "fair" match is already found. thats why there are ranks. The game has items to use and if killers don't like what the game game has, don't play at all and set up false hope for a game. But I understand what you mean on the other part, that's where the killer perks are supposed to come in though and slow down the process.SWF matchmaking doesn't go off of the highest ranked person. Its very common in low ranks as killer to have high ranked players get brought in through grouping with 1 or more lower rank players. Why comment about killers not playing the game because they don't like items, when survivors constantly DC when they see a hidden offering, a p3 nurse, a legion in general, etc? They actually do more harm to the game than any lobby dodging killer ever will.
Hahahaha. Equip moris friend and watch how 4 green pings hang at the loading screen. That's the survivor(s) dcing and if I did it a dozen times it would occur at least 6, conservatively.
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Sweet, sweet, entitlement.
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@The_Crusader said:
I was trying out Nurse and I'm not that experienced with her so hit a number of deadzones on the boat level. Plus they had dead hard.So I miss a few blinks but 4k anyway and oh my you should have seen the salt.
Not the first time I've had this. Had a game recently where this noob3 looking Nea pulled a 360 as I was distracted by another survivor, so I miss 1 swing all game and she starts tbagging at pallets, then I 4k and they've only done 1-2 gens and post game they claim they won because of that 1 360.
Like is this the survivors golden standard? if you get the killer to miss 1 swing suddenly you're a God at the game? they think they're just like their toxic heroes noob3 and ochido? really hate these kind of people.
That's definitely a heavily iodized salt. It seems to have imparted some delusion in them. I'd expect it to have a twang of vinegar as well.
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@LegitAdventurer said:
Tucking_Friggered said:@LegitAdventurer said:
"My group" what about when i got dodged 6 times two days ago as a solo queue and I only played 3 games before giving up? Was it because I'm just so darn pretentious? Get real buddy, this game is drowning because everyone is afraid to play the game lol.
Play some Civ.
Civ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxYlBZMYLTIThe answer was in reference to killer frustrations.