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@Master said:
Its just funny that the SJW topics only pop out when its about females.
Not a single topic when shirtless david was released.Sexism at its best
B-b-but feminazis can't be sexist... Whaa... ERROR; ERROR
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@JEWberry said:
I don’t understand why all of you are complaining about the killer when it has literally been a day. She literally has very similar advantages that the nurse does with some weaknesses.She can traverse the map fairly quickly like nurse and billy.
She can't she has 20s cooldown after running for ~30m
She can negate pallet loops to an extent like nurse and huntress.
When she tries to outplay the surv, he can just walk away to the next loop unseen.
She can mindgame very well like huntress and nurse.
See above
Her power has a cooldown when used for extended durations and u cannot see survivors unlike the nurse.
However, if using her power CORRECTLY, the cooldown is very short.If, as you said, she can travel as well as Billy/Nurse, then she needs to suffer from 20s stun. The "correct" use of her power depends on the loop. If we are speaking about 2 "T" walls with vaults and pallet, then she will often need to use whole her power, again suffering from 20s stun.
She takes a long time to learn how to play like the nurse and huntress.
While Nurse can do everything better than her, and Huntress is more rewarding, I would say that Rin is too underpowered for downsides of her power.
All of this combined allows her to down survivors rapidly causing her to snowball out of control like the nurse. 1 day isn’t enough to determine whether or not if she is good or bad but all of her plusses add up to being top-tier. Just because she can’t “see” survivors does not mean she does not know where they are.
Seeing survivors is the last thing she needs. But being able to see blood, see the auras if having an aura reading perks, and reducing the cooldowns and charge time for her power is something she really needs.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
@RSB said:
I don't think so, Janick went with his rude comments, and rejected all negative feedback (reasonable feedback, I would say, made by experienced players). I just think they make underpowered killers, just to buff them in PTB, so the killers are happy, because they have been buffed (placebo), and survivors are happy, because the killer is mid-tier at best.Unfortunately this. Janick was quite clear that they would only even consider changes to The Spirit based on "analytics". He was shockingly rude and dismissive for someone that I normally think comes off as very chill and cool on the stream. The unfortunate thing is, 2 hours released or not, most of the comments were well thought out and not at all rude or "OMG, she sucks". There were those, sure, but not all of them were. So killers were shown that "it doesn't matter how you present the feedback to us, we don't care". It's truly unfortunate.
I heard, th> @AshleyWB said:
RSB said:
...low tier killer. Really, I think she can aspire to be the new worst killer.
* She can sprint slower than Billy, she needs to charge her sprint longer than him, her sprint is like 3-5 seconds, and she has a big cooldown for it, when she ends sprinting.
* While she is sprinting she CAN'T see the survivors. Really, she can't, this is in her basic kit, they are literally invisible for her.
* I think... she is actually slow as a Huntress?
* She should not be stunned in one place while charging her power, she should be able to move.
Really, what is this? A crippled Billy? Without being able to see survivors, with a big cooldown, and without ability to hurt survivors with your sprint?This may be the first Chapter I will not buy for real money, despite the killer looks really really great - she is just as weak as good she looks.
Calm down obvious billy main. She's not hillbilly she's fun and decent killer for the average player.
And another thing if you think freddys base kit is better then I have to question your sanity.Shoo, wild survivor, before you cross the line. Go be an aggresive animal somewhere else. This is a mature, friendly thread.
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@Master said:
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@Master said:
@Madjura said:
@Fengminni said:
She is not low tier she is definitely high tier.
2. She sees their scratch marks and their blood so she still knows where they are and quickly go back to her real form and one shot them
3. She is really fast during her spirit form and cannot be seen a definitely strong ability.One of her ultra rares lets her see blood when using her power. Being able to always see the blood seems to be a bug.
The only thing that being invisible lets you do is appear right next to or behind survivors, which you can also do with Nurse. Or Wraith. Or Freddy with Monitor & Abuse.
Maybe try actually playing her seriously instead of coming here and complain. I have watched several streamers play her the past hour
Yes because watching other people play the killer for an hour totally lets you get an accurate read on the powerlevel of a new killer.
if people actually take the time to understand her perks
The killer's teachables are irrelevant to the strength of the killer
She is really strong when it comes to end chases and loops quickly and mindgaming survivors
Nurse exists
wait you cant see blood without an ultra rare addon? Amazing, even useles at low ranks then....
You can't. I mean, right now you can, but it is a bug and will be fixed. After the fix, you will be able to see ONLY scratchmarks.
LOL and I thought she is trash not knowing about that bug already
Good lordThis is one, of many her problems to be viable, friend.
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@Weederick said:
@RSB said:
@Weederick said:
It is visible without addons. If i'm not mistaken its even brighter and clearer to see in the spirit world. Never had problems tracking blood. Predator and/or Sloppy Butcher work greatly. I dont think Bloodhound will be needed, its very visible imo.But right now it is a bug, and will probably be fixed.
That would be terrible. She needs the blood tracking.
They could reduce the blood to normal visibility in the spirit world and give her ultra rare addon the current visibility.I just think, that in it's current state, without addons, is quite okay, nerfing it more would kill her completly. That addon should do something like injured survivors aura is revealed to killer while in 6m radius, or something.
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@meshugganah said:
RSB said:@Master said:8
@Madjura said:
@Fengminni said:
She is not low tier she is definitely high tier.
2. She sees their scratch marks and their blood so she still knows where they are and quickly go back to her real form and one shot them
3. She is really fast during her spirit form and cannot be seen a definitely strong ability.
One of her ultra rares lets her see blood when using her power. Being able to always see the blood seems to be a bug.
The only thing that being invisible lets you do is appear right next to or behind survivors, which you can also do with Nurse. Or Wraith. Or Freddy with Monitor & Abuse.
Maybe try actually playing her seriously instead of coming here and complain. I have watched several streamers play her the past hour
Yes because watching other people play the killer for an hour totally lets you get an accurate read on the powerlevel of a new killer.
if people actually take the time to understand her perks
The killer's teachables are irrelevant to the strength of the killer
She is really strong when it comes to end chases and loops quickly and mindgaming survivors
Nurse exists
wait you cant see blood without an ultra rare addon? Amazing, even useles at low ranks then....
You can't. I mean, right now you can, but it is a bug and will be fixed. After the fix, you will be able to see ONLY scratchmarks.
....and that is only until survivors learn not to run.
Yep, tha's why I made the topic in feedback forum. People, who claim she is good are not right because of one simple reason - survivors just do not know how she works. When they realise it, she will be worse than Wraith.
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@Master said:
@Peanits said:
CoffengMin said:quick questuon , does someone know if she can go to a far gen thats being worked on and grab people? i know she cant see while sprinting but you might be able to grab them if you guess where they are
You can. By default, she can move a little more than 32m with her power. So with some practice, you can actually appear behind someone on a generator without ever making a sound. It would be easier with monitor and abuse as well.
You cannot. Being invisible actually makes a sound and you will only be able to grab afk survivors of a gen. Or is that sound a bug atm?
The sound is a feature, it even written in her power description I think.
//EDIT: yep - "The Spirit will produce an audible cue at her current location."
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@fcc2014 said:
@Master said:
The devs are not gonna release any viable killers anymore.
Guess they are scared to be review bombed againThose review bombs were insane. I do think Matheiu saying that they are more concerned with making a character fun to play, does give credence that this will never truly be balanced.
But you know, playing underwhelming and just weak killer isn't fun. We just want to have a fair killer, fun for both sides, not just for one. And that seems to be the problem - they release a fun killer to play, indeed, but to play against.
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@Master said:
@Madjura said:
@Fengminni said:
She is not low tier she is definitely high tier.
2. She sees their scratch marks and their blood so she still knows where they are and quickly go back to her real form and one shot them
3. She is really fast during her spirit form and cannot be seen a definitely strong ability.One of her ultra rares lets her see blood when using her power. Being able to always see the blood seems to be a bug.
The only thing that being invisible lets you do is appear right next to or behind survivors, which you can also do with Nurse. Or Wraith. Or Freddy with Monitor & Abuse.
Maybe try actually playing her seriously instead of coming here and complain. I have watched several streamers play her the past hour
Yes because watching other people play the killer for an hour totally lets you get an accurate read on the powerlevel of a new killer.
if people actually take the time to understand her perks
The killer's teachables are irrelevant to the strength of the killer
She is really strong when it comes to end chases and loops quickly and mindgaming survivors
Nurse exists
wait you cant see blood without an ultra rare addon? Amazing, even useles at low ranks then....
You can't. I mean, right now you can, but it is a bug and will be fixed. After the fix, you will be able to see ONLY scratchmarks.
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@Bravo0413 said:
Clown was adjusted last PTB to make him better before release.... the devs will make adjustments for sure.. you tell that they want her to use her power in order to have success... everyone (for the most part) agrees that the cooldown for her power is far too long and the movement speed is underwhelming... that said the devs need data before they make any changes and shes only been out for a dayHer movement speed would be fine, if not that looooong cooldowns, long charge and several other issues. She has a great potential, but needs a few tweaks.
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I don't think so, Janick went with his rude comments, and rejected all negative feedback (reasonable feedback, I would say, made by experienced players). I just think they make underpowered killers, just to buff them in PTB, so the killers are happy, because they have been buffed (placebo), and survivors are happy, because the killer is mid-tier at best.
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@Weederick said:
It is visible without addons. If i'm not mistaken its even brighter and clearer to see in the spirit world. Never had problems tracking blood. Predator and/or Sloppy Butcher work greatly. I dont think Bloodhound will be needed, its very visible imo.But right now it is a bug, and will probably be fixed.
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@fcc2014 said:
@Vietfox said:
fcc2014 said:@RSB said:
Okay, how can I adapt to something I can't see, but they can hear? How can I adapt to someone, who has more tools to juke me, than I have to juke them? How can I adapt, when once they just walk away, and I miss, I need to get looped for at least another 20 seconds, before my power recharges? How can I adapt, when to use my power I need to spend good 2-3 seconds standing in one place, when they can just run, use window/pallet and boom, my power is destroyed? With this logic, we can say "just adapt" to people playing Wraith and Freddy. They are not bad, people just need to adapt. It is quite sad, that "just adapt" thing does not goes both ways... Change up your perks and addons. Do you have predator?, Addons show Blood, You seem that you want this too be nice and easy. It shouldn't be easy you are playing with new mechanics. Adapt or Die!
Finally someone understands.
I've played in different games which changes were a common thing, you might like them or not, but at the end there's alway a way to adapt to them, like the people who adapted to the red stain and the ones who keep complaining about it.
Obviously not everything can be perfect but big issues will be fixed eventually. Besides, we are talking about the PTB, so...I think the fear for these guys is that nothing will be done to tweak her before release because one of the devs was shutting down complaints right away. The problem however was these threads and complaints popped up 2 hrs into launch. That just isn't a reasonable amount of data to react on especially since people had issues finding lobbies. They can't see blood but you can see grass and corn move, the cooldown is long and you can't re use power until 100%, Can't track blood without an ultra rare. The whooshing sound isn't reduced with perks like monitor and abuse like the nurse or billy receive. This seem legit things they should look at.
Yep, I agree, while seeing survivors isn't a mandatory thing, the other issues with her are highly understandable to fix. Like not being able to move while charging ther power, very long charg, very long cooldown and that blood.
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@fcc2014 said:
@RSB said:
Don't encourage me to suicide, because you may have a couple of drops of blood on your hands.
Only one, ultra-rare addon makes her see the blood on the ground, and killer who is 100% dependant on his addons to be somehow playable is not a good killer. As i said before - when survivors realise how she works, she will be unplayable.
I guess a couple is better than buckets.
Honestly in all seriousness. Open a new thread Suggesting the blood tracking either built in or the offering a common. Tag people you know will support it and have the same complaints. If they don't listen you tried and don't buy the chapter if you think the character won't be viable.
Sure, If they won't do something about her, I, and probably more people, won't buy her with real money, but shards instead. Shame, I think this is the best looking killer in the game, they put a great work in designing her looks, but so little to design her power properly. It will be the first DLC for DbD that I won't buy, as a protest.
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@fcc2014 said:
@RSB said:
Okay, how can I adapt to something I can't see, but they can hear? How can I adapt to someone, who has more tools to juke me, than I have to juke them? How can I adapt, when once they just walk away, and I miss, I need to get looped for at least another 20 seconds, before my power recharges? How can I adapt, when to use my power I need to spend good 2-3 seconds standing in one place, when they can just run, use window/pallet and boom, my power is destroyed?
With this logic, we can say "just adapt" to people playing Wraith and Freddy. They are not bad, people just need to adapt. It is quite sad, that "just adapt" thing does not goes both ways...
Change up your perks and addons. Do you have predator?, Addons show Blood, You seem that you want this too be nice and easy. It shouldn't be easy you are playing with new mechanics. Adapt or Die!
Don't encourage me to suicide, because you may have a couple of drops of blood on your hands.
Only one, ultra-rare addon makes her see the blood on the ground, and killer who is 100% dependant on his addons to be somehow playable is not a good killer. As i said before - when survivors realise how she works, she will be unplayable.
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@Peanits said:
CoffengMin said:quick questuon , does someone know if she can go to a far gen thats being worked on and grab people? i know she cant see while sprinting but you might be able to grab them if you guess where they are
You can. By default, she can move a little more than 32m with her power. So with some practice, you can actually appear behind someone on a generator without ever making a sound. It would be easier with monitor and abuse as well.
Without making a sound? The Spirit does make sound, when she sprints...
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@fcc2014 said:
@RSB said:
@SenzuDuck said:
Ya'll have had her for ten seconds and already moaning, lmfao.In that 10 seconds I managed to play at least 18 matches, 16 easy 4ks and 2 1k.
The difference between those matches was one, simple fact - the survivors' awareness about her power.
You see, in those 16 matches, NO SURVIVORS knew how she works, and that they are invisible to her. They did not knew how to behave when she used her power, thus becoming an easy prey for me. In said 2 matches, when I lost, survivors knew how she works, and they could easily outplay me because of several things:
- they could hear me, while I could not hear, nor see them
- they could stop running and just walk away while I chased them, forcing me to stop using my power and chase them by foot
- on the loops, when I was trying to juke them with my power, they could just walk away to the another loop/behind the corner to hide, or loop me again
When all survivors realise how she works, they will easily trump her. That killer has less tools to juke the survivors, than survivors have, and this is KILLER'S POWER, not survivors'.
So they adapted their play style based on the killer so now you need to adjust your play style based on the survivors evolving strategy. You should not be able to play the same way with every killer when they come out and it works the same way many matches later. You need to adapt your play style.
Okay, how can I adapt to something I can't see, but they can hear? How can I adapt to someone, who has more tools to juke me, than I have to juke them? How can I adapt, when once they just walk away, and I miss, I need to get looped for at least another 20 seconds, before my power recharges? How can I adapt, when to use my power I need to spend good 2-3 seconds standing in one place, when they can just run, use window/pallet and boom, my power is destroyed?
With this logic, we can say "just adapt" to people playing Wraith and Freddy. They are not bad, people just need to adapt. It is quite sad, that "just adapt" thing does not goes both ways...
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@Noexit0 said:
Hi, I'm just one of the players of them who have dissatisfaction about the new killer.I think most of the players (especially women)have feelings of disgust and unpleasantness the new killer's trailer and her outfit.
First, the new killer's trailer.
At the end of the trailer, there's a long screaming of a woman. Is that necessary to describe the new killer?
That doesn't need to show us that scene. That makes us think of the snuff film. I can understand that they just want to express her an injustice and. However, this trailer isn't showing her feelings. This shows us her father's feeling and unrelated lines for trailer. Just showing a woman's scene who was killed gives us a discomfort.
For instance, the Hag was killed by villagers. However, In the Hag's trailer, there is no tragic victim, there is the only killer without mercy. What about the Huntress? She lost her mother by a wild animal. However, there is no crying girl in the Huntress's trailer. There is only hunter to kill everyone with wild animal's sense. There's a huge gap of these trailers' deployment method.
In the new killer's trailer, there is no merciless killer or horrific killer. The trailer just shows us the victim's image.
If the trailer shows us the new killer's appearance after the murder, I think that would be more relative to the description of the new killer.Second, the new killer's outfit.
The only thing I know in this Dead by Daylight is this game has no sexual objectification to women (killers & survivors).
The Huntress has an image of professional killer and wilderness. The hag has an image of the hunger for blood and endless cannibalism. Like these, there are no sexual feelings about the past female killers, except for the new killer.Why she just has few bandages that barely cover her chest and her hip. Devs don't have to put the shaking boobs on the new killer. You don't need to emphasize her hip. Just give her the merciless clothing.
She doesn't have to make the SAD face in the waiting room. She was killed by her father. Now, she has only a constant fury, not a sadness. There is no time to pity herself.
+) In the game, the explanations about the new killer are too weird to me. They are emphasizing the SPECIFIC WAYS that she get killed.
I think that doesn't need to explain all that..+) About the David's naked skin, he has shaking chest or emphasizing his hip skin? He has the skin that few fabrics to cover his body (his nipple or his penis or what)? If he has, you can ignore my second opinion.
I think maybe some people don't understand us that why they are so angry about the new killer's outfit NOW. They didn't say anything when David's naked outfit came out.
Well, I think that David's that skin has relativeness his back story.What about the new killer?
The only thing we know about her back story is the trailer and In-game's explanation.
Is her father made her naked and gives her few bandages to cover barely her nipples and vulva before the murder?
No. There isn't.
The new killer's outfit could be just causal clothes.
Just few bandages for covering her body? It doesn't make sense. It's okay to put a clothing on her.
I saw the new killer's another clothing that looks like Gimono. I think that would be much better.I really love Dead by Daylight and I'm enjoying DBD with my friends and other players. But, this new killer makes the players leave the game.
I'm really disappointed about this event.
Think about the past female killers! The nurse, Huntress, Hag... They have their own edges.
There are the greatest female killers that made by Devs.I honestly miss that image of these female killers.
Sorry for bad explanation. I did my best.
Thank you for reading my description and I hope I can see all genuine comments about the new killer.
but naked David is okay, amirite?
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@SenzuDuck said:
Ya'll have had her for ten seconds and already moaning, lmfao.In that 10 seconds I managed to play at least 18 matches, 16 easy 4ks and 2 1k.
The difference between those matches was one, simple fact - the survivors' awareness about her power.
You see, in those 16 matches, NO SURVIVORS knew how she works, and that they are invisible to her. They did not knew how to behave when she used her power, thus becoming an easy prey for me. In said 2 matches, when I lost, survivors knew how she works, and they could easily outplay me because of several things:
- they could hear me, while I could not hear, nor see them
- they could stop running and just walk away while I chased them, forcing me to stop using my power and chase them by foot
- on the loops, when I was trying to juke them with my power, they could just walk away to the another loop/behind the corner to hide, or loop me again
When all survivors realise how she works, they will easily trump her. That killer has less tools to juke the survivors, than survivors have, and this is KILLER'S POWER, not survivors'.
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@SovererignKing said:
RSB said:@ArthurFiNCHr said:
The Spirit is good, killers playing her are bad. That's the top secret of that discussion.
You seem to not realize one thing - every killer can 4k with her now, because survivors do not know how to play against her. Hell, they even do not know they are invisible to her. Once they realize it, she will be bullied, because juking/outplaying her is easy as a walk in the park. Just stop running/vault/jump through pallet, and she can't do anything about it. Then she has 20 second cooldown for her power, and 110% basic speed, so she can't catch a looping survivor.
It’s a double guessing game... The Survivor must predict you, you must predict them. It’s a fair game of predicting each other.
Not that fair, because survivors actually have more tools to predict it and juke the killer, than the killer has. And remember, that it is the KILLER'S power, not survivors. Combined with 20s cooldown, disability to move while charging it and a slow charge will make her a trash killer, really.
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@ArthurFiNCHr said:
@RSB said:
@ArthurFiNCHr said:
The Spirit is good, killers playing her are bad. That's the top secret of that discussion.You seem to not realize one thing - every killer can 4k with her now, because survivors do not know how to play against her. Hell, they even do not know they are invisible to her. Once they realize it, she will be bullied, because juking/outplaying her is easy as a walk in the park. Just stop running/vault/jump through pallet, and she can't do anything about it. Then she has 20 second cooldown for her power, and 110% basic speed, so she can't catch a looping survivor.
This is not true that survivors do not know that she don't see them, except few low rank noobs. Surely survivors will try to counter her somehow, that's how world are working. That would be really good for killers to get killer which have no counter, but nope. This killer if almost fully based on predicting, playing as her you need to think like survivor, what would i do if i would be in this case. That's why once she will be like " Omg she totally didn't get me, doing all thing bad " and once " Omg she is foking cheating, there is no way she could know where i will go... "
She can easily catch survivors on looping, probably one of the best choices to counter that technique.
One with what i can agree that her cooldown 20 sec are a bit to long, 15 should be enough, but also you don't need to use her ability all the way to 0.They don't. I've played 18 matches yesterday, and only 2 survivors were aware of it, I personally asked them if they know it, and only respond I got was "OOOH, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING".
She won't be able to catch survivors on looping, because when they are invisible, they can just walk away to another loop, when she stries to outplay them and hit them on said loop.
Again, once they realise how she works, she will only be a noob stomper.
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@MegMain98 said:
@RSB said:
@MegMain98 said:
@RSB said:
@MegMain98 said:
Most killers with long range attacks or teleporting abilities will have a lower movement speed. The Doctor has a lower movement speed in treatment mode. The Huntress and Hag have a slow movement speed and The Nurse is PAINFULLY slow. I don’t mind The Spirit having a slower movement speed due to you literally not being able to see her at ALL during her teleporting. I feel as though she is definitely going to be on par with the top tier killers in the game. Maybe not as OP as a good Nurse player but she has high potential. Only thing I am wondering is why out of all of the killers with long range attacks, why doesn’t the Clown have a slower speed?So... You think she is OK, and the Clown needs to be even more weak?
Clown isn’t weak. He is one of the stronger killers in the game actually. I didn’t SUGGEST he got a speed nerf, just wondering why he didn’t have the same base speed as the Huntress since they both have a long range attack. Not to mention in all reality he shouldn’t move faster than The Huntress since he is a lot bigger than her. He doesn’t need a speed nerf but it just doesn’t make much sense why the Huntress has a lower speed than the Clown. Damn people always assume the worst out of you.
He has 115% speed, because unlike Huntress, he can't hurt survivors with his power. He needs to block the path/hit them, then run to them and then hit, while Huntress can just throw and hurt.
Doctor is 110% while in Treatment mode, because he can use his power without limits (the only limit is charge).
Nurse is 97% because... well, everybody knows why.
Hag is 110%, because she can snowball like hell, and she just does not need 115% to be very good.
The Spirit... Yeah, what about her? She has 110%, but the cooldown for her ability is 20 seconds. While using it, she can't see the survivor, and she needs to charge her power, which is quite long. Her power is not as great as other killers', but she is still 110% killer. She needs some sort of buff, because she is too weak tobe hindered with slow movement speed.Well thanks for explaining the Clown vs Huntress movement speed. I’m just unsure about The Spirit, her ability (especially paired with ultra-rare add ons) seems to be incredibly powerful and she still has a slight speed boost out of her ability. I’m not against her movement speed being the same as most of the killers, but does she really need it? Not to mention...unlike The Nurse, the survivors cannot see The Spirit at all while she is using her power she can still track scratch marks and blood and easily pull a survivor off of a generator. This may however change when people start to get used to playing against her. Not against any sort of buff for her but the PTB just came out today and people are already saying she is an awful killer when they have barely given her a chance. She has great potential.
I do not claim, she needs 115% of speed, but her power should really help her with juking/hunting then. Her cooldown is 20 seconds, which means she can't use her power effectively, and she can't see the survivors. She can't even move while charging the power, which is very long.
Yes, she can see the scratch marks, but what if the survivor would run into the killer? Or stop running and just walking? Let's say she tries to break the loop and uses her ability. Survivor then becames invisible and can just walk away, while she thinks he is still at pallet loop spot. And that's it, the killer's ability can be thrown to the bin.
When survivors became aware, that they are invisible, and she can only see their scratchmarks, she will be a hell to play. For killers, of course.
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@ArthurFiNCHr said:
The Spirit is good, killers playing her are bad. That's the top secret of that discussion.You seem to not realize one thing - every killer can 4k with her now, because survivors do not know how to play against her. Hell, they even do not know they are invisible to her. Once they realize it, she will be bullied, because juking/outplaying her is easy as a walk in the park. Just stop running/vault/jump through pallet, and she can't do anything about it. Then she has 20 second cooldown for her power, and 110% basic speed, so she can't catch a looping survivor.
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@MegMain98 said:
@RSB said:
@MegMain98 said:
Most killers with long range attacks or teleporting abilities will have a lower movement speed. The Doctor has a lower movement speed in treatment mode. The Huntress and Hag have a slow movement speed and The Nurse is PAINFULLY slow. I don’t mind The Spirit having a slower movement speed due to you literally not being able to see her at ALL during her teleporting. I feel as though she is definitely going to be on par with the top tier killers in the game. Maybe not as OP as a good Nurse player but she has high potential. Only thing I am wondering is why out of all of the killers with long range attacks, why doesn’t the Clown have a slower speed?So... You think she is OK, and the Clown needs to be even more weak?
Clown isn’t weak. He is one of the stronger killers in the game actually. I didn’t SUGGEST he got a speed nerf, just wondering why he didn’t have the same base speed as the Huntress since they both have a long range attack. Not to mention in all reality he shouldn’t move faster than The Huntress since he is a lot bigger than her. He doesn’t need a speed nerf but it just doesn’t make much sense why the Huntress has a lower speed than the Clown. Damn people always assume the worst out of you.
He has 115% speed, because unlike Huntress, he can't hurt survivors with his power. He needs to block the path/hit them, then run to them and then hit, while Huntress can just throw and hurt.
Doctor is 110% while in Treatment mode, because he can use his power without limits (the only limit is charge).
Nurse is 97% because... well, everybody knows why.
Hag is 110%, because she can snowball like hell, and she just does not need 115% to be very good.
The Spirit... Yeah, what about her? She has 110%, but the cooldown for her ability is 20 seconds. While using it, she can't see the survivor, and she needs to charge her power, which is quite long. Her power is not as great as other killers', but she is still 110% killer. She needs some sort of buff, because she is too weak tobe hindered with slow movement speed. -
@MegMain98 said:
Most killers with long range attacks or teleporting abilities will have a lower movement speed. The Doctor has a lower movement speed in treatment mode. The Huntress and Hag have a slow movement speed and The Nurse is PAINFULLY slow. I don’t mind The Spirit having a slower movement speed due to you literally not being able to see her at ALL during her teleporting. I feel as though she is definitely going to be on par with the top tier killers in the game. Maybe not as OP as a good Nurse player but she has high potential. Only thing I am wondering is why out of all of the killers with long range attacks, why doesn’t the Clown have a slower speed?So... You think she is OK, and the Clown needs to be even more weak?
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Survivors don;t even know how she works, give them time, and they will bully her.
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@chemical_reject said:
RSB said:@chemical_reject said:
ZombieGenesis said:
@chemical_reject said: Yea everything I've read that's negative about this new killer sounds like, "whaaaaaa I didn't get a 4 k in the 2 matches I've played so far. This killer sucks. Survivors OP" This just shows you haven't been reading any of the threads discussing the killer. You're just jumping onto threads and whining like a standard survivor main. In other threads people are actually discussing her ability intelligently and reasonably. Two things you and good old Senzu know nothing about.
There's literally a thread titled "another chapter, another bad killer." Ur point is moot
"There is one thread called X, so your argument is invalid, because reasons"
Yes I could take the time to go thru and find every knee jerk reaction thread crying about the new content that's been on the PTB for a couple hours BUT it's not worth my time or energy to prove u wrong.
Yes there may be "intelligent conversations " but u don't see me comment on them....because their not whining. I've commented and called out the whiners who need to just play the game and get better just like I will comment and call out the survivors when they start whining about the spirit being OP before they learn how to counter her.
Sure, I respect that, but you need to understand, that not every thread is just whining, and I would say, that they are rather minority.
There are some issues with the Rin's power. she may feel OK right now, as I thought she is, but the thing is almost no survivors know that they are invisible to her. When they realise that, she will become easily abusable.
If she can't see the survivors, her power should last longer, and the cooldown should be 10 seconds, not 20.
If her cooldown needs to be long, she should see the survivors.
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@chemical_reject said:
ZombieGenesis said:@chemical_reject said:
Yea everything I've read that's negative about this new killer sounds like, "whaaaaaa I didn't get a 4 k in the 2 matches I've played so far. This killer sucks. Survivors OP"
This just shows you haven't been reading any of the threads discussing the killer. You're just jumping onto threads and whining like a standard survivor main. In other threads people are actually discussing her ability intelligently and reasonably. Two things you and good old Senzu know nothing about.
There's literally a thread titled "another chapter, another bad killer." Ur point is moot
"There is one thread called X, so your argument is invalid, because reasons"
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@Orion said:
@ShowMeUrBirb said:
Nice build, but remember that seeing blood without addon is most likely a bug and it will be patched soon, so sloppy butcher and bloodhound are pointless without addon.What makes you say that?
The power description says, that you can see only scratchmarks, and I believe, that she has a high rarity addon to see blood.
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She is slower indeed.
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But the new killer is sexeh, you can't deny that
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@WhateverIGuess said:
I tried her like once and sucked so therefore she must be trash because i'm the best.k
Now go away, she is trash tier, even if experienced players can 4k with her, survivors still do not know what her ability does. If they learn it, they will bully her to death. Most survivors even do not know, that they are invisible, while she is using her power.
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@CoffengMin said:
quick questuon , does someone know if she can go to a far gen thats being worked on and grab people? i know she cant see while sprinting but you might be able to grab them if you guess where they areShe may be able to, but she needs to quit sprinting, and then she can grab the surv. But to be honest, the surv will need to be braindead, because when she is sprinting, she survivors can still hear her, and run away/hide.
And what do you mean by a far gen? Her sprint is quite slow and lasts like 3-4 seconds, so you will not be able to cover long distances with her ability.
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@BACKSTABBER said:
her power is the weakest specially when cant see while skill lolbut she has powerful perf of self-destroying pallets, with a tinkerer-like-noed and funz totem thingy
she needs buff for sure
Her perks are quite okay, but in this thread I'm not talking about perks, but the killer itself, which is low tier.
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@Fengminni said:
She is not low tier she is definitely high tier.
2. She sees their scratch marks and their blood so she still knows where they are and quickly go back to her real form and one shot them
3. She is really fast during her spirit form and cannot be seen a definitely strong ability.Maybe try actually playing her seriously instead of coming here and complain. I have watched several streamers play her the past hour and she is really a strong killer if people actually take the time to understand her perks and ability. For me she is definitely up there with the the nurse and hillbilly. She is really strong when it comes to end chases and loops quickly and mindgaming survivors
- She can, but what when survivors are not sprinting, or hurt?
- She can be heard, so being invisible means nothing.
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@Tsulan said:
Yep. My prediction is, it will be meta as soon as the chapter releases.
The circle is complete. SC, DS, SB and now Deliverance. Will be the new meta.
Everything a survivor needs to be completely self sufficient.The circle is complete, SATAN, DEUS, SIC TRANSIT GLORIAS MUNDI - OCHIDO CAN NOWE BE SUMMONED INTO OUR WORLD, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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B-b-but killers can get rid of pallet looping instead! They just need to destroy 4 pallets, then the next pallet will break on their head! Still stunning them, though...
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Yo just gonna need to restart game several times and try to connect, I just went into game.
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Same here.
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Do not make laugh out of me ;<
Pardon, it is really live, but I can't download it. Ehh... Gonna restart Steam.
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Where is our PTB? ;<
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@Giche said:
@RSB said:
I mean, they often do not write, nor speak english, or other languages than their own. They just do not will to learn other languages.
I'm gonna be honnest, the majority of French already struggle to speak their native language correctly.
Keep in mind that french is a very difficult language to write and speak without flaws, tho.
I know, my grandmother is french, and I've been learning it for 3 years in high school, but to be hones, there are more difficult languages than french.
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0, it was his brand new account.
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@PinkEricka said:
The type of team mate that pisses me off is when they walk to me or crouch to me instead of running to come get me while I’m dying on the hook, plus with the fact when they know that the killer isn’t even near.they may have SB, and do not want to lose it.
As to the topic - I just hate sandbaggers, and people who just hide all game, or DC when their SUPER MLG KILLER REKTING DS fails.
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@FinLadd said:
RSB said:@FinLadd said:
SpitfireOrMichina said:
Around 5pm EDIT: 5pm in France so time can change in other country
So You are frenchman... I have one question... Pls don't get offended but i want to know why french People won't speak english to tourists but only french... Do they assume we know the language?
Many of french people just don't know english laguage.
Im finnish myself and i can't speak english but i can write it.
Edit: i can't say the words right so they sound weird or you can't understand me... LolI mean, they often do not write, nor speak english, or other languages than their own. They just do not will to learn other languages.
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@MrChills said:
@RSB said:
@MrChills said:
@RSB said:
@MrChills said:
@RSB said:
@Touken said:
Who else dosent mind Ochido in PS4? Like ik he is toxic and all but admit it the community itself is toxic, Ochido is just part of it, he was good in pc and everyone hated it just because he was toxic but if he wasnt people would be like oh he is very good,ps. some killers are saying he is trash is PS4 its not like you can get used to playing something new in a day
He is the essence of toxicity in this community, and the main source of it. The day he die, the sun will start shining again.
And by the way he is a pedophile, I wish him the worst.
Hmm. when did this occur? can I have source please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBKEa3R1ru0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ow557E29rg&feature=youtu.beArdetha deleted the videos with evidence, because it contained fragments of ochido's videos, shame.
But it was like that:
He was inviting underage girls to chat with him privately on Whatts App, or something similiar, was acting nice, then, when he gained their trust, he was aking for nudes. When they said, they are just children, he did not give a [BAD WORD], and insisted on getting those nudes. When they refused, he started to harrass them, insult etc.One of them provided proofs (screenshots of the chat), and posted it on his discord chat, which has been deleted after it by a said pedophile. Ardetha got those proofs, and made 2 videos with more evidence of the behaviour of ochido. He harrassed many girls, not just 5 or 10, it was a big number.
He is just a pedo on a power trip, he thinks he can do everything he wants, hurt children and people, without being punished.
how old were they? In't he from Europe? In Europe 16 is fair game. Doesn't matter your age. If they were below his country standards than yes very disturbing.
One was 13/14 for sure, do not know about the rest. He is from Spain, if I am correct.
"Spain is to raise the age of consent from 13 to 16 and the minimum age for marriage from 14 to 16. The change was agreed unanimously in principle by parliament in 2009 under the previous government and is expected to come into force this month."
Not sure if it was raised recently yet if it was then it's still a big culture change and I do not condone his person hobbies yet if the change was recent and depending how long this was in their culture, it will take a while for some of the population to adjust especially if this is common in their culture aka grand parents, parents did it. People tend to forget the old world and new world are still very very different places.
I'm from "old world" as well, and I still think he is a pedo. No one with healthy mind would demand a naked pics from a child, then harrass it and insult.
By the way, even if the age of consent in his country would be 10 years, molesting children is illegal in every country. In addition, if he molested a girl from a country, where age of consent is 16, and she was, let's say, 13, then it is a pedo crime as well.
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@FinLadd said:
SpitfireOrMichina said:Around 5pm
EDIT: 5pm in France so time can change in other country
So You are frenchman... I have one question... Pls don't get offended but i want to know why french People won't speak english to tourists but only french... Do they assume we know the language?
Many of french people just don't know english laguage.
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@MrChills said:
@RSB said:
@MrChills said:
@RSB said:
@Touken said:
Who else dosent mind Ochido in PS4? Like ik he is toxic and all but admit it the community itself is toxic, Ochido is just part of it, he was good in pc and everyone hated it just because he was toxic but if he wasnt people would be like oh he is very good,ps. some killers are saying he is trash is PS4 its not like you can get used to playing something new in a day
He is the essence of toxicity in this community, and the main source of it. The day he die, the sun will start shining again.
And by the way he is a pedophile, I wish him the worst.
Hmm. when did this occur? can I have source please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBKEa3R1ru0&feature=youtu.behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ow557E29rg&feature=youtu.beArdetha deleted the videos with evidence, because it contained fragments of ochido's videos, shame.
But it was like that:
He was inviting underage girls to chat with him privately on Whatts App, or something similiar, was acting nice, then, when he gained their trust, he was aking for nudes. When they said, they are just children, he did not give a [BAD WORD], and insisted on getting those nudes. When they refused, he started to harrass them, insult etc.One of them provided proofs (screenshots of the chat), and posted it on his discord chat, which has been deleted after it by a said pedophile. Ardetha got those proofs, and made 2 videos with more evidence of the behaviour of ochido. He harrassed many girls, not just 5 or 10, it was a big number.
He is just a pedo on a power trip, he thinks he can do everything he wants, hurt children and people, without being punished.
how old were they? In't he from Europe? In Europe 16 is fair game. Doesn't matter your age. If they were below his country standards than yes very disturbing.
One was 13/14 for sure, do not know about the rest. He is from Spain, if I am correct.
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@MrChills said:
@RSB said:
@Touken said:
Who else dosent mind Ochido in PS4? Like ik he is toxic and all but admit it the community itself is toxic, Ochido is just part of it, he was good in pc and everyone hated it just because he was toxic but if he wasnt people would be like oh he is very good,ps. some killers are saying he is trash is PS4 its not like you can get used to playing something new in a day
He is the essence of toxicity in this community, and the main source of it. The day he die, the sun will start shining again.
And by the way he is a pedophile, I wish him the worst.
Hmm. when did this occur? can I have source please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBKEa3R1ru0&feature=youtu.behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ow557E29rg&feature=youtu.beArdetha deleted the videos with evidence, because it contained fragments of ochido's videos, shame.
But it was like that:
He was inviting underage girls to chat with him privately on Whatts App, or something similiar, was acting nice, then, when he gained their trust, he was aking for nudes. When they said, they are just children, he did not give a #########, and insisted on getting those nudes. When they refused, he started to harrass them, insult etc.One of them provided proofs (screenshots of the chat), and posted it on his discord chat, which has been deleted after it by a said pedophile. Ardetha got those proofs, and made 2 videos with more evidence of the behaviour of ochido. He harrassed many girls, not just 5 or 10, it was a big number.
He is just a pedo on a power trip, he thinks he can do everything he wants, hurt children and people, without being punished.