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@Predated said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2699900#Comment_2699900
Oh, that too, but one doesnt exclude the other.
As for pedophilia being a sexual orientation or not is somewhat up for debate, because its not something they choose or have control over(by our definition of sexual orientation, it would check all marks).
The biggest reason we call it a disorder is because the person of interest cannot legally or morally consent. And acting upon it is an irrational, immoral and illegal decision.
So again, one doesnt exclude the other here. Just because you personally do not agree with a position, doesnt mean its not true.
As for putting pedophillia into lgbt, no, no one would, neither would zoophillia. As LGBT contains all non-heterosexual orientations involving consenting adults. But you can be LGBT and paraphillic at the same time, they are not necessarily mutually exclusive(some are, ofcourse).
"There is no scientific consensus for any precise border between unusual sexual interests and paraphilic ones."
Now, if we're talking social consensus, it's a different topic entirely. But by social consensus, homophillia was considered paraphillia not that long ago either. Which is why I personally dont really go by social consensus on topics like this. Because any argument today against paraphillia are either exactly like or extremely similar to arguments held against homophillia. Doesnt mean its any less or more true, mind you, just that its not really a solid floor to stand on.
Quick edit: mods are free to cut it off here entirely, this topic has spanned out quite far beyond its origin and starts very heavily bending to the point of breaking some community rules here.
One doesn’t exclude the other may very well be true. But all we know about Freddy is him being a implied to be a pedophile. And thus he is not part of LGBTQ+ as far as we know.
and it’s not only my personal take. The LGBTQ+ community has distanced itself from including pedophilia and other paraphilia.
also I might have a different definitions of sexual orientation here than you and i don’t know if there is an official one… but pedophilia should definitely not be called a sexual orientation imo.
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I kinda like Overcome recently (mainly because it’s the only exhaustion I have on Jonah and I try to prestige him in time to get firecrackers on him..)
I do like Headon for being more creative though and used to like Lithe very much. But stupid hits through windows that definitely shouldn’t hit but still do happen too often. So.
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@Predated said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2699581#Comment_2699581
Thing is, being part of and being representation of are different thing. You have a ton of christian pastors who dont represent the religion, but are still christian. You have police officers who dont represent the police force, but were still part of the force untill they were released of their duty.
Let alone that plenty of killers on this roster have done horrible acts that should not represent anything.
Freddy is LGBT, by our own definition. That doesnt mean he represents it.
No Freddy is not LGBT. He is a pedophile, which is not a sexual orientation but a paraphilia (psychological disorder).
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The mods seeing yet another forum thread with ‚LGBT‘ in the title:
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@Unicorn said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2699690#Comment_2699690
K-Pop/Flamboyance = LGBTQIA+, don't you know? /s
-sigh-
What has the world become...
Ugh of course. How could I have forgotten that.
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@MeneLaw said:
Can we not involve religions and orientation in games please.
Read this on why representation matters:
@GoodBoyKaru said:
Very short post I'm putting here so I can link to it every single time a thread comes up, here's a University Thesis from a friend of mine that recieved a first pass (highest pass possible) explaining exactly why representation is important, and if you believe it's a waste of time I implore you to read it at least.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DKV2cNdnwODbNiqj47_doQhFxImVMDBB8doEh8h5UB4/edit
And also if you don't care about representation please follow your own advice and don't bash people who want it, you make yourself seem like you do care quite a bit
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@BenSanderson55 said:
Trickster? lol
There is nothing confirmed about Trickster being LGBTQ+ or not.
lol
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@MeneLaw said:
Can we not involve religions and orientation in games please.
Too late, already happened in DbD.
and why should this be limited either way? No harm is done if representation isn’t implemented stereotypical harmful… @GoodBoyKaru can give you a link to a very good thesis on this
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@Superyoshiegg said:
Well if you're counting a licensed Killer as the first one, then I don't see why the Chatterer and CryptTV killers wouldn't count.
If your argument is about the first non-legendary skin Killer, then she still wouldn't be the first. Freddy Krueger has been in the game for four years.
No, please don’t. Freddy Krueger is explicitly not representative for the LGBTQ+ community. At all.
edit because of your edit: No it is not a fact that Feeddy is LGBT. There is nothing in the movie or lore supporting this. All we know is that he is implied to be a pedophile which is a significant difference to being LGBT
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Well. I guess someone else got the response to my ticket as well -.-
i just want my Ugly Sweater back…
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@lauraa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2699527#Comment_2699527
Because those aren't actual people on the games roster. Sadako is Sadako but Chatterer is really Pinhead.
uhm. Okay… but legendary skins are exactly meant to be additional characters that just don’t bring their own perks….
also we don’t even know if they will actually introduce the book version or the version from the movie. And I bet there will be people saying Sadako wouldn’t count as well because licensed characters don’t count 🤷♂️
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How do Chatterer and CryptTV not count but Sadako would??
and we still have confirmation for an original LGBTQ+ character, created with consulting from GaymerX
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@kokoroo83 said:
so ok, i understand you want to know more about the Ringo because this is gonna be a new "chapter" of dbd. I used to be like this too. getting excited about pinhead or silent hill.. rewatching the movies. but at the end of they day, once this killer is released you barely see him, or the map associated with him. from a surivvor point of view it gets boring quickly. i don't know they just add so many killers and -carton board- survvivors, that the effect is wearing off and the hype is quickly gone. they just keep to their original chapter release every few months but it's just not cutting it for me anymore.
How is that even relevant regarding the topic here? Are you just trying to drag people down?
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Don’t Starve Together
Charlie as killer, preferably Wickerbottom as survivor (would more likely be Wilson though…)
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Chapter 24 will be the anniversary chapter which is more likely to be licensed to hype things up etc.
i wouldn’t be against it being original though, especially if they add more base game changes and mechanics, QoL stuff etc. Hopefully this is the main focus for content for the next year…
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@Wampa1 said:
Probably but never fear this piece of nonsense is coming in March,oh I can hardly wait.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/YYNPL5WYPYPK/c270f857-e05b-425f-8299-576afb22ac4d.gif
How is this nonsense? Ringu/The Ring is a very well known horror story and deserves to be in the ‚Hall of Fame of Horror‘
why would you even comment this here instead of one of the multiple threads about chapter 23 announcement….
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We don’t know for sure but it is entirely possible for a license to be featured in multiple games…
licenses need to be renewed though. As long as both parties (BHVR and TCM license holder) still agree Leatherface will stay…
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@HuskyTwitter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2698227#Comment_2698227
Ok, good to know
While I was opening an exit gate, the killer opened the other before hooking a survivor. I opened it hoping to escape before the hook, but I was like half a second too late, blocked right in my face. At least I wasn't responsible for my own demise. Thanks for the answer.
Yeah that’s a common tactic for killers running Blood Warden. Also keep in mind they can see your aura inside the gate area!
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@Mazoobi said:
I'm hoping the content will be good!
Also, will there even be a survivor? I'm not knowledgeable about this franchise, but it'll be cool to see a full chapter.
The movie has Reiko Asakawa as main protagonist, a young woman. In the book as I understand it this role is ‚played‘ by a man.
from the anniversary we know we will get another survivor this year (4 killers and 5 survivors, while Jill and Leon came together); though it might also be another original survivor a la Mikaela Reid.
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I have had instant survivor lobbies.
does that mean the killer players in my area are satisfied with the games current state? Or is this argumentation only working to support your narrative?
(and just to be clear: I do think that killer gameplay is not great currently)
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If the timer is not down then yes, both gates will be blocked for the entire time, regardless if both or only one was open at the time of activation
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@ChurchofPig said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697834#Comment_2697834
I was honestly thinking something similar. They've been getting bigger and bigger with their anniversary chapters every year. What's the chapter going to be that's going to outshine a licensed chapter like Ringu? I've been thinking like Alien or Predator or Pennywise, but we'll have to wait to see in about roughly 6 months.
Maybe we won’t even have to wait that long.
Resident Evil was teased in a New Years message from the devs (or was it directly from Cote?)
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@Myla said:
Is it weird that I'm more excited about a new map to look at.
Probably will not feature a new map.. anniversary stream it was said 2 new maps this year and those we already have.
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@Frontdoor6 said:
Beats me, i never actually thought Ring would make it into the game. Like, what would be the killer's weapon?
That’s actually a good question.
she will be pretty small and only attacking with her hands (like Nemesis with his fist) will make her lunge look pretty weird. Freddy may get competition on that front.
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@PlayTwink said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2698152#Comment_2698152
Friday the 13th still has a lawsuit, so it's not possible to get a license
Actually the lawsuit is over.
iirc the original author got the rights.
Though the rights to the original script and anything from the following movies are split now…
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@Huge_Bush said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2698148#Comment_2698148
Chucky
Xenomorph from the Aliens franchise
Predator
A cute black cat with white paws
The Thing
Omg i want a cute cat!!!
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@PlayTwink said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697834#Comment_2697834
Like what? We already have Resident Evil and Silent Hill
Alien.
Friday the 13th.
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apparently the chapter might not even be based on the Japanese movie but on the book (which the movie was itself based on)
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2698105#Comment_2698105
Ehh... not really. They made a statement saying that the license holders were allowed to do whatever they wanted with the models, and that they had to help. Then, when it was officially released, they said that they helped port the models over. They were actually pretty consistent about it- there was no turnaround, they never said or even implied that they had zero involvement. It's extremely telling that their response boiled down to "look they're technically allowed to and we can't stop them" initially, and that their involvement beyond that was a single tweet and not even a news bulletin in-game.
I'm not one to cheerlead for a corporation, trust me, but BHVR deserve criticism for what they actually did wrong, which we don't actually know the extent of- there's a very real chance this was dropped on them completely out of the blue, and there's not much we can realistically criticise them for in that case. In future, we should be looking to them to do everything in their power to distance from NFTs, but the ultimate people we should be blaming are the license holders.
That’s actually why I am asking for clarification on the matter.
for me the two statements are kinda contradicting. But I see that it is not clear.
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@themoobs1984 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2698090#Comment_2698090
If it's only involving you then why the hell are you posting it on the forums? Once it's posted I have the right to say my opinion whether you want to hear it or not. You we're rude about it. Period. I don't tell people that I don't care about their opinion on here. I never have. Also, you said many people quit the game over NFTs and I said I doubt that. I think you're exaggerating. When people are mad they tend to exaggerate. You can't do anything about the NFTs anyways. Personally, I'm sick of hearing people complain about it but others have a right to disagree with me. I don't have the right to be rude to them. Once you post your opinion on the Internet it no longer only involves you.
well.. why are you allowed to comment on my personal statement but it’s somehow rude when I merely say I don’t care about your opinion? Again, I never insulted you nor did I want to be rude. But your opinion will not change my take on this and I stated so. I posted it fully knowing many people disagree or don’t care about it. And may state so. And that’s okay for me.
‚many‘ is of course subjective in this case. But the absence of some active forum members is notable. And it doesn’t even matter how many left or didn’t. It’s still a scandal for me.
and I ask you to reread all my comments and your comments towards me with a calm voice. You will notice that you are using terms like ‚why the hell‘ and ‚lol please‘ while I am not/only in direct response.
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2698021#Comment_2698021
They technically can't- if the decision is made by the license holders, they're legally obligated to let that license holder use their models. At least for extant licenses, I don't know enough about license agreements to know if they can write an exception in for future licenses- if they can they certainly should, but I'm not gonna lean that hard into it because idk how feasible it is.
As you said, this license was probably already agreed to by the time the scandal hit, so that protection - if it's possible - may not be in place this time. It's not really a case of boycotting or distancing from one company - any franchise, company, even celebrity who isn't terminally online enough to know why NFTs are bad may end up agreeing to be involved with some.
They could still distance themselves from the involvement though.
and they kinda did with a statement after info about Hellraiser NFTs got out but then in a following statement they made a turnaround and revealed they deliberately worked with the license holder on this. and this statement was the worst part of it. If it was just the license holder using the models it would still be bad but they are to blame. But BHVR was directly involved in this and I just want clarification that this kind of deal won’t be made again.
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@themoobs1984 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2698040#Comment_2698040
I'm aware of what NFT means. All I'm saying is I think you're exaggerating. I doubt that many people left the game. If they were causing problems on the forums they should've been banned anyways. You were rude. The first person that disagrees with your assessment and you tell them you don't care what they have to say. I've seen so many posts with people saying they don't give a ######### about NFTs. Personally, I'm with you regarding the NFTs but I also recognize that the damage is done now and I sure as hell won't leave the game or get banned over it.
how am I exaggerating when I just said i want it clarified before I pay for something again?? I wasn’t telling others to follow me or boycott DbD or anything. And I can very much state that I don’t care about your opinion on this when it’s only involving me. If anyone here was rude it was you with your first answer. You can disagree with my assessment. And I don’t have to care about your disagreement.
and just because the damage was already done doesn’t mean I have to sit by and watch it being done again and again. Just because many people don’t care doesn’t mean it’s not a problem or a scandal from my point of view.
also regarding the forum members, I never said all of them were banned? Most of them left the forums/the game without breaking any rules…
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@themoobs1984 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697992#Comment_2697992
I doubt many people left the game over it. lol please. No need to be so rude.
i just said i don’t care what you think about it. I didn’t insult you or made any ‚lol please‘ comments which surely are rude.
also there are quite a few known forum members that left because of it and others that got banned because they have spoken out against it (and broken forum rules doing so).
of course many casual player haven’t even heard of BHVRs involvement with NFTs, but that doesn’t make it any better and doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be clarification
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697992#Comment_2697992
You'd be better off looking into the license holders for Ringu- it was the license holders for Pinhead who made that decision, so unless BHVR were really proactive about making sure there won't be a repeat (which they should be, but you can't assume) they can't really tell us anything about it.
BHVR could come out and tell us they won’t agree to this stuff again for future licenses (though i negotiations for the next 2-3 licenses were already over before Pinhead even got revealed.. let alone the whole NFT thing..)
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@themoobs1984 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697810#Comment_2697810
Definitely wouldn't call the NFT thing a scandal. I'd wager not that many people care.
I don’t care what you think about it.
many people are still upset about it and many people left the game because of it. They made 2 statements that are kinda contradicting eachother and never clarified this. I at least want to be sure they don’t make the same mistake twice so won’t buy licensed chapter rightaway.
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@Hex_Llama said:
Your power is getting trapped in a well.
@Sonzaishinai said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697844#Comment_2697844
Ringu can travel the map through wells
Survivors can board them up
Don’t give them those ideas!
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@dugman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2696683#Comment_2696683
Lol. And by sheer coincidence they just announced the next killer in March will be Samara from Ringu. Sweet! 😄
I am very much fine with it :)
though the source for this thread was kinda a bit off…
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@Bennett_They1Them said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697828#Comment_2697828
I knew about the television thing, I'm just not sure how they'd do that without making her worse demogorgon (since, presumably, you wouldn't be able to set up TVs).
(shrug)
I guess we will have to wait and see then…
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Well.. I am at least expecting some kind of teleportation similar to Demo portals..
i don’t think we have anything from the movies to actually predict the DbD translated power..
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Nope. January will be midchapter PTB, 3 weeks later release, 3 weeks later chapter 23 PTB, 3 weeks later release in march.
we just have the usual pause during the holidays.
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Actually this gives me hopes(/fear) for the anniversary to be an even bigger license
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@Bennett_They1Them said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697817#Comment_2697817
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697814#Comment_2697814
O.K, I must be missing something.
isn't Spirit as to Samara as Billy is to Leatherface?
Like, isn't Spirit an Ersatz Samara?
I don't know the IP well*, though.
*haha, funny joke.
Well. Aesthetic-wise yes. But power-wise, Samara doesn’t ‚phase‘ like Spirit, but she comes to through the television? Iirc. I only watched it once and probably confuse it with the Scary Movie parody
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@AhoyWolf said:
I just want a decent killer that won't be a ranged one, they really did spam those this year... Also, isn't it a bit soon to release a trailer for a chapter that releases in march? Especially even before the mid chapter patch notes.
I guess since last chapter leaked they wanted to avoid any of that. Maybe it was even the wish of the license holder?
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Eh. I don’t see how Samara has anything to do with Spirits power?
i guess The Ring is very much deserving a full chapter or at least killer on its own.
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I guess we should stop predicting if next chapter is gonna be licensed/original based on patterns or what devs said about how many licenses they do etc.
makes it more unpredictable so I am fine with that.
that said. I am still kinda waiting on them clarifying this whole NFT scandal (and the cheater epidemic) and am not willing to directly pay money on anything in DbD..
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I filled it out. Though if you need more people to do it I would create a thread in general discussions as many people don’t look into this section as much. This is also more for questions that require a single answer and not participation of many people..
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@Pizzasauce said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2697293#Comment_2697293
Atticus and Blondie are being rascals right now, but I caught Lila real quick.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/3ZAP20VSDL7B/20211214-181215.jpg
Lila is beautiful (as are Pepper and Aggie and probably your others also and all the other animals posted here and they make this thread awesome)
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i actually thought you would get a reward every time you met the condition and there are still rewards for you to obtain…? I got mine all in the first two days and can’t remember if there were matches where I didn’t get anything when I was still missing something
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There has never been any cosmetics besides the Stranger Things stuff that was in the store and got removed. So chances are the sweaters will also stay (until the RE license won’t get renewed….?)
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@Pizzasauce said:
Guys I sort of lied...I actually have five cats. Now I won't bog down this thread with pictures and as I have already posted one cat and I'm not going to spam the rest BUT Aggie, my King, was showing off. He's my swf.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/K8O923CZZO1A/20211214-132058.jpg
I demand to see every single one of them though.
you can’t just tease five cats but only showing two.