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@r8_ said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/709991#Comment_709991
Freddy has the map pressure hag doesn't, and huntress has insta hatchets and machine gun hatchets. Those are the reasons she isn't 4th imo. And for clown legion and trapper. They can be really strong with certain addons.
Hag has more map pressure than Freddy if you know how to play her. Also, nothing will save Huntress from bad map design, even Iridescent Heads. You can still mess with her on 80% of the maps.
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I would put Hag 4th and Clown, Legion and Trapper lower.
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You still get the notification from NOED if you are hit by a Huntresses hatchet.
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@Hellbent said:
Who would break it? A creature that can eviscerate anything in front of it or a teenager, use logic
If we are using logic, what people are running at full speed while they puking ? What people can be hit with a hatchet in their head or chainsawed and not die instantly ? What people can lose so many blood and still survive ?
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I mean, even Nurse and Spirit would be in trouble against such strong survivors as you say they are, I don't know what you expected from Demo.
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@NuclearBurrito said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/709176#Comment_709176
It takes 2.9 seconds to break a pallet this way.
By comparison it takes 2.7 seconds to break it manually.
So it's not a build it Spirit Furry. It's a built in Space Bar.
The reason this is a buff is because it forces an early drop and won't waste the demogorgons time with having to hit the pallet AND break the pallet.
Also you need to reach the pallet within 5 seconds, not 2.9 so you should have plenty of time to find something.
So breaking pallets with Shred is slower than normally. I can't believe that this was an ultra rare add-on first. And now some people call it "OP" because it's in his base kit.
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He still gets stunned after breaking a pallet with his Shred. Practically, with this change, he only has Brutal Strength in his kit. I see nothing OP in that.
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I agree with the top 3 ... but not with the rest of the list.
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@TAG said:
"The Pig begins the Trial wearing an active Reverse Bear Trap."
That nerf would really fit Amanda from Saw movies XD.
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Poised + Dark Sense.
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@TerrorUnleashed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/708084#Comment_708084
Not already dead, and please don’t be biased without an accurate point. Games can be taken out at the most unexpected moments. :)
I didn't see anybody discussing about it for a while, so I consider it dead. And I am not biased, there is really nothing suggesting Hide or Die have a chance to "replace" DbD.
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All games which ever threatened DbD in any way died immediately and I think this game is already dead.
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You can still use stealth or counter her Corrupt Purge in a similar way you do with Huntresses hatchets ( break line of sight, crouch behind loops ) or you can try to stun her with a pallet, which also removes her Corrupt Purge.
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No, we should make maps better for Huntress, not worse. Just let her have at least 2 good maps in this game, I promise, for every Huntress who gets Blood Lodge, the next 5 get Fractured Cowshed and 3 of them even DC on it.
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I wouldn't like Pennywise, devs need to fix the Clown we already have first.
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Ruin, BBQ/Thrilling Tremors, Surveillance and Pop Goes the Weasel. Bamboozle can work with fake pallets.
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S : ( Need buffs or even reworks like [BAD WORD] ) : Clown, Legion and Trapper.
A ( Help ) : Wraith, Cannibal and Doctor
B ( Need slight buffs to their base kit and/or add-ons ) : Ghost Face, Pig, Myers, Plague and Freddy.
C : ( Fix the damn maps ) : Huntress.
D : ( Base kit is fine, some add-ons might need nerfs/reworks ) : Hag, Billy, Spirit and Nurse.
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From what I seen :
Survivors : Nurse, Spirit, Billy, new Oblivious status effect on Freddy, Ebony Mori, NOED and Barbecue and Chilli.
Killers : SWF teams, gen rush, looping, Instant Heals and Keys.
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@johnmwarner said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/705628#Comment_705628
I’m almost afraid to ask for your top 5 if Freddy isn’t in it. For fun I’m guessing nurse spirit billy hag huntress?
Yes, that's my top 5.
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DS says hi.
Freddy even isn't a top 5 killer, so there is really no reason to complain about him.
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Inner Strength + DS + Head On + Quick and Quiet/Adrenaline might not be a truly meta build, but it's up there for sure.
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For killers, Surveillance.
For survivors, Poised + Dark Sense is pretty good now for stealth plays.
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How can someone have a terror radius below 0 ???
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BL doesn't need a nerf, just nerf the maps where BL is too strong, like Haddonfield.
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@Bravo0413 said:
Rework prayer beeds to something like making the phase TR smaller.... #killersneednicethingstoo
Or Prayer Beads could just make Spirit's TR to affect the entire map when Spirit is phasing.
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Agree, Detective's Hunch should get Dark Sense treatment.
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She isn't OP, but she can be annoying to verse, that's all.
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@Hag.is.Dtier said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/704236#Comment_704236
In that case Myers should be higher because of his ultra rares. Also you're missing some killers. :)
Actually, Myers is usually stronger with stalk add-ons than with his ultra rare add-ons.
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@Talmeer said:
Mhm, don't know if we could put Huntress so high.
I mean, I know she can instant down someone and I had also with her success when I have play her, but the forum postings about her are often mixed. So, I feel a bit mixed to put her in either of your categorys. She is just a case for herself :).
And what the Trapper matters... Maybe it is because a inner trapper sleeps in me :), but I was with him always very succesfull. No matter if on low, or high ranks. That said, he could use some small buffs, like more traps at the beginning, or a shorter cd on traps laying.
Huntress is very map dependent and that makes her a very hit or miss killer. But she is still strong in the right hands and especially on the right maps.
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@DaGreenBolt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/704225#Comment_704225
To me Demo, feels stronger than both and at the top of the A tier, right behind Freddy. His portals are strong and can provide great mobility when using them. His special attack can catch a few people off guard and break pallets. He has a form of killer instinct which helps you know the location. He's not as strong as S tier killers like Billy.
To me, Nurse is the only killer in S tier. Demo's portals aren't that good and his Shred helps him against certain loops or to catch up to the survivor, but it's still very avoidable.
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Right now, weaker than Myers and stronger than Pig.
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Dying Light need to be fixed and then buffed.
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Hag isn't bad IMO.
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All traps Trapper at the start of the match wouldn't be too strong, it would actually be what he needs the most.
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No offense to Brick, but what ?
Teleporting traps for Trapper ? ######### !??
Just give Trapper more traps at the start of the match and make traps more punishing, but not that.
Wraith needs the green Windstorm add-on instead in his base kit, Doctor needs at least Moldy Electrode and maybe more effects in Madness 2 in his base kit and why would you increase Legion's Feral Frenzy speed but decrease his duration ?That doesn't make sense. Just increase his FF speed, vault speed, let the duration untouched and rework the DW effect to be more threatening.
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I feel like Cruel Limits should be reworked. I really don't like the fact that it activates just after a gen is completed, that makes it so limited and situational.
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/702838#Comment_702838
It happens :(
I generally try to not take the game too seriously and often try to ignore the bad times.
I really appreciate the civility and logical flow (nothing you've said is 'out there' or impractical) to your responses, though :)
Thanks.
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/702828#Comment_702828
I can't really speak on the mindsets of others, but I have experienced this a few times since the change has gone live.
I experienced survivors DCing against perkless and add-onless Clown. Nothing new for me.
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/702812#Comment_702812
I don't have a problem with the change, as I literally implied in a previous post.
Whether or not the survivor has DS or jumps into a locker, however, is not going to make their Deep Wounds status do anything.
And ? Why would people DC against Freddy because of this change more often than they already do ?
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/702804#Comment_702804
You mean they are forced to bleed out in the locker because Freddy has no terror radius, falling out of the locker when Borrowed Time bleeds them out?
They still have 60 seconds of immunity from DS. Idk whatbis your problem with this change, old BT used to work like this against any killer and nobody complained back then that it was too weak.
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OMG My meta perk is now harder to activate against a certain killer, so that means is useless 1!1!1!11!!!1! That's against the survivors rules book and devs should immediately buff BT and nerf Freddy into the ground.
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/700977#Comment_700977
And tell us what happens when Freddy hits the person you have unhooked, kind sir
;3
They get Borrowed Time and now they can go in a locker to force you to eat their DS.
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Blocks are trash, Dresses are also pretty bad, slow down add-ons are ok but nothing amazing, fake pallets are ok if you don't want to use Snares, gen teleport cooldown are decent, Class Photo is pretty mediocre and really punishing, Pill Bottle is ok, Red Paint Brush is his strongest add-on and Black Box can actually be a really bad add-on if your obsession has Object of Obsession, now with the Oblivious status effect applied to the Dream World.
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@thesuicidefox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/702005#Comment_702005
No it wasn't buffed. It was tweaked because of new Legion.
This isn't a tweak. It's a direct buff, a very strong one. They just give Freddy Oblivious when you are asleep. He doesn't need a counter to BT he is a plenty strong killer. Again I play him regularly.
And it's not the same as other killers...
-Wraith has to decloak first. You can also force him out of cloak with a flashlight.
-Pig has to either stand up or ambush which is not a very effective attack on someone that was just saved.
-GF can be broken out of his stealth.
-Myers has to be in tier 1 for proper stealth options which means he is slow.
All of these killers have counter play options to trigger a BT proc, and if they can deny a BT proc there is at least some catch. Giving Freddy Oblivious in DW is neither of these. He can just hit you, put you to sleep and now BT just won't work. You can go wake up but the fact he puts you to sleep when he hits you makes this pointless. He doesn't have to decloak or do some sort of easy-to-dodge attack out of stealth, he can just do whatever he wants when he wants.
This is not a good change, at least not for Freddy. If anything, make Pill Bottle inflict Oblivious in DW instead of what it currently does, but as base kit no this shouldn't be a thing. Freddy doesn't need this kind of buff.
Borrowed Time wasn't tweaked, was flat out buffed, period. Freddy was the one tweaked, because now some perks are useless on him ( despite them being all bad besides Infectious Fright ), while OoO is stronger against him now. So this isn't a flat out buff as you say it is. You can still proc BT against Freddy if you are asleep and Freddy isn't hard camping.
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I don't how can you grab survivors with Demo, his portals have audio cues whenever he teleports. Maybe you can grab them when they seal a portal and they are Oblivious, but still, they shouldn't be grabbed because they know they can't hear your TR while they seal portals, so they should be more aware of their surroundings.
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Nurse is still the strongest killer in the game even without add-ons. Maybe you could argue Spirit with Mother Daughter Ring and Prayer Beads/Yakuyoke Amulet/Bloody Hair Brooch is better than an add-onless, but otherwise, Nurse would still be stronger IMO. Unless they really nerf her base kit, Nurse will remain the best.
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You didn't play Nurse or Spirit, so this is what you should expect to happen against good survivors, especially on that map with a God window at their disposal. Devs won't fix gen speeds because of your post, so all you can do is move on and accept these games will happen once in a while.
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Here is my list.
I am gonna say one thing about your list : Trapper is too high.
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Infectious Fright is much more reliable than Rancor.
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@CyberianFaux said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/699925#Comment_699925
Devs have stated that Undetectable is coming to all forms of stealth for killer. They simply didn't have time to put it on all of them for this patch.
I know that, I just said that right now, just Demo has this status effect.