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Trapper is way too high. And if you want to know why I put him so low : his power wastes his time more than it wastes survivors times, he loses 2-3 gens to set up his power, his power has a lot of counter play, very weak against SWF teams, very weak against Object of Obsession, you can Dead Hard over traps, you can sabotage his traps with a Toolbox, his traps have bad hitboxes, he has a very weak base kit, he relies on purple and red add-ons and his power is RNG. Here it is, you can say I didn't give you any reasons behind my placement.
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@thrawn3054 said:
How long is Ghostface's exposed effect supposed to last? The couple of games I've played against him it seemed incredibly long. I'm assuming he has addons to make it last longer. But it seemed crazy long.
45 seconds without add-ons. 55 with add-ons.
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Idk, some people might want survivors to remain broken, so they can stack Thanatophobia, Dying Light and Pop against them.
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Maybe when devs will buff Clown, you will see more.
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Stridor on Spirit is like Shadowborn on Nurse. Once you get used to it, you can't give up on it and you are left with just 3 perk slots.
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Devs don't want to buff Clown. Despite him being completely atrocious.
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Inner Stenght, amazing sinergy with DS annd Head On.
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@8obot1c said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/726183#Comment_726183
so equipping an add on is a nerf? what?
At least he admits it π.
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@OkKiLLer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/725361#Comment_725361
You must be playing clown wrong or just using the wrong add ons because I can always end chases faster and donβt eat to many pallets. I break lots more pallets with doctor.
Clown mains with 2000 hours on him told me the exact same thing, so they must be playing him wrong too. And what can a Clown do if you put a pallet down ? Nothing, except to break it while you move to another pallet.
15% slow down very OP btw.
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I think Hag is more viable even than Billy, because there are maps like Lery's, The Game, Badham Preschool and Hawkins Laboratory where Hag shines, while Billy gets destroyed.
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You just said old Freddy was better than the new one. I am surprised you wasn't crucified already for that π.
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@OkKiLLer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/725286#Comment_725286
He doesnβt need survivor mistakes to do good he relies on his accuracy and his mind games throwing a bottle at a survivor and catching them is skill not luck. Legions ability is awful and has some of the worst add ons in the game.
If survivors just drop pallets earlier and rush gens, he can't do anything. He doesn't relies on his skill, when survivors can just force him to break pallet after pallet untill all gens are done.
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@Aldofer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/725239#Comment_725239
beceause bubba can insta down and played correctly can be deadly
Clown has just a power that at best can make people use pallet sooner and slow vault wich is bad beceause as soon as you hit green rank it's a joke, i played against him and to be fair unless you make mistake he can't do nothing to you, hell even legion is slighty better than him beceause he has an easy hit on survivor.
but by far legion and clown are the worst, clown being the one that is the worst right now
Completely agree with all you said.
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Decent, but you could use BBQ or Thrilling Tremors instead for tracking.
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Clown literally doesn't have a power.
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Well, there are many circumstances where you should and where you shouldn't cleanse, but if someone already cleansed, you should also cleanse. But preferably when she is far away from you.
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Trapper : MacMillan Estate/Rotten Fields or Blood Lodge
Wraith : Lery's or Hawkins/Blood Lodge
Hillbilly : Rotten Fields/Lery's or The Game
Nurse : Autohaven Wreckers/Lery's or Rotten Fields
Myers : MacMillan Estate/Rotten Fields
Hag : The Game/Rotten Fields
Huntress : Blood Lodge/Lery's or Haddonfield
Doctor : The Game/Mother's Dwelling or Rotten Fields
Cannibal : none/Haddonfield or Blood Lodge
Freddy : Lery's or Hawkins Laboratory/Blood Lodge or Thompson House
Pig : Lery's or Hawkins Laboratory/Rotten Fields
Clown : Father Campbell's Chapel/The Game or Blood Lodge
Spirit : Autohaven Wreckers/Haddonfield
Legion : Father Campbell's Chapel or Lery's/ Mother's Dwelling or Rotten Fields
Plague : Father Campbell's Chapel/Thompson House or Rotten Fields
Ghost Face : MacMillan Estate or Hawkins Laboratory/Rotten Fields or Blood Lodge
Demogorgon : Hawkins Laboratory ( maybe ? )/Rotten Fields ( maybe ? ).
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Maybe Huntress could have 112.5% speed ?
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@justarandy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/720634#Comment_720634
I personally think he is stronger than Huntress at this point. But only because Huntress gets cocked by map design (Lerry's for example). He isn't map depended, his snairs and fake pallets always work and pop goes the weasel is working on him the best.
Dude, I already said I consider him better than Huntress.
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So, when are you gonna propose him π ? ( I hope this doesn't offense you ).
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@BenZ0 said:
Yeah got that, but I still wonder why noone does that as clown, either I never saw a clown main or actually noone knows that, me included.
Because getting direct hits with bottles is pretty hard + I think someone said that the actions are intrerrupted just for .33 seconds or something like that.
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@Xboned said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/722337#Comment_722337
Are we including add-ons in the discussion? Because Bing Bong can get kinda nasty with the right ones.
Even if we aren't, Clown's power is truly useless without add-ons.
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@justarandy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/722353#Comment_722353
EGC timer bugged, random DCs, Trapper traps disarming by itself without any survivor nearby and some other new stuff besides the bugs we are carrying since release
Ah yeah, I forgot about EGC timer bug.
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About what game breaking bugs you are talking about ?
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None really.
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It depends on the perks and add-ons she's running and also on the map, like, on a map like Lery's, her Corrupt Purge is much more difficult to land hits on survivors.
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Even Clown mains agrees he's garbage and your suggestions are really good, especially the one with medium vaults on pallets.
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Clown is the worst killer in the game. He doesn't have a power without Flask of Bleach, so you should definitely run that. Add-ons for exhaustion, reload time or even extra bottles are also good, but you need Flask of Bleach, otherwise you don't have a power at all.
Anti gen perks are a must for Clown ( but even with them you're gonna get gen rushed as Clown, because his map pressure is nonexistent ) and I heard that Save The Best For Last and Brutal Strenght is a good combo for him.
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@thesuicidefox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/721270#Comment_721270
To be fair you can get equally as bodied if you don't cleanse when playing solo. Especially if she has Thana/DL.
And solos can understand whats the optimal strategy. When they see Plague with Thana/DL they should know to cleanse super faster to reset fountains.
I never said you should never cleanse while playing solo. And solos still can't coordonate their cleanses, one cleanse at the wrong time and the entire team can be doomed.
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Wait, that change should necessary be a nerf, because if it would be up to me, I would make her stronger than Nurse. Hey, you said to be biased, so am I π.
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@thesuicidefox said:
Actually considering that the Thana/Dying Light combo is especially strong on her, it's probably the best idea to cleanse as much as possible. She has I think 5 fountains so if you all cleanse at once, then someone re-infects themselves and cleanses again, you can force her to get Corrupt and then play immersed until it wears off. This forces her to reset all the fountains, and it will actually screw her over. I know I've gotten screwed a few times because survivors cleansed too fast and forced my Corrupt at a time when I didn't want it, and then when it ran out I had to basically start from scratch infecting people and was a huge waste of my time.
This strat is only viable in a 4 man SWF group. Solo teammates won't be able to coordonate their cleanses in such way + you need to cleanse when Plague is far away from you, otherwise she can just grab her Corrupt Purge and down you.
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@[Deleted User] said:
Former Clown main. He's the worst killer in the game. The only reason this isn't acknowledged is that nobody actually plays him. As Otzdarva said in a video (paraphrasing): "If you play Ghostface, Leatherface, etc perfectly you get a down and a hook. If you play Clown perfectly, you usually get a hit, and then you probably have to reload and do it again." Not only does he have extremely mediocre chase power, but it's hilariously inefficient. You throw bottles to make already unsafe loops less safe or make survivors drop safe pallets sooner, and then when you finally get a hook, you stand there and shake a bottle while survivors do their objective, at which point you can start to WALK to where the survivors are. Why is this killer a thing? The forums would catch on fire if Clown went to PTB today. When I play against Clown, you know what I do? I RUN THROUGH THE GAS AND THROW THE PALLET. Then I run to the next one when they break it. Or I just run to a different loop when they throw a bottle at the current one. Major anti-loop potential right there.
This ^.
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Spirit is a very strong killer, which gains a lot of BPs and can deal with most of the survivors BS. And you are on PS4 as well, where most of the players don't even touch Nurse.
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@TAG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/720735#Comment_720735
Leatherface, Trapper, Wraith, Quentin.
Replace Wraith with Meg and I agree ππ.
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Be the obsession or use a Toolbox. Or even better, both and gen rush the killer before he gets any stacks π.
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@Corrupted said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/720705#Comment_720705
And you say he isn't top 5???
I consider Demo better. The other 4 killers are obvious who they are.
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@Corrupted said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/720634#Comment_720634
You could make a solid case for Freddy being better than Huntress or being #5.
I already consider Freddy better than Huntress.
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@Chatkovski said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/772/MG5NGF97J1T2.jpg
Allegory of the typical killer.
Freddy is clearly above average now. Slightly, but above anyway.
Average in this game means "very laughable". So for Freddy being slightly above average means "less laughable".
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He even isn't top 5 killers. He doesn't need any nerfs.
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@Kebek said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/720229#Comment_720229
He had a good run.
LOL
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Very good for Hag and stealth killers, nightmare for Huntress and Billy and neutral for the other killers. I didn't see many Nurses playing on this map, so idk how buggy this map is for her.
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I guess his power will be throwing bottles which slows down survivors. Oh, wait a minute ...
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@UlvenDagoth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/720216#Comment_720216
Please see the rest of the topic then, as I would be curious as to your views on the game balance as a whole, in respects to my questions.
Maps should be fixed. Probably even gen speeds, but devs aren't willing to do that. Between the perks you listed, just DS should be changed ( 3 seconds stun and doesn't trigger if you are grabbed out of a locker ). OoO could be changed, but devs aren't gonna do that now with the Undetectable status effect coming into play. Some killers perks should be buffed, but same goes foor survivors.
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Legion : after he ends Frenzy, he dies.
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They not gonna nerf OoO anymore, now that Undetectable is gonna be added onto all stealth killers.
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@Surazaku said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/720046#Comment_720046
None of those perks give the obsession super healing and gen repair speed though so its not the same situation.
Dying Light only gives "super" healing speed, not repair.
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You can just start mending at a pallet and the timer stops, so Insidious isn't really gonna work. For Tinkerer you already lose several gens for a single down and for Dark Devotion, you need to hit your obsession and after that hit another survivor, which might not happen because Legion is trash at chaining hits in his current state and the survivor can again mend to stop the timer go down.
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Also, use double power recovery add-ons on Ghost Face, he is atrocious without them.
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Well, the first one has better sinergy.
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Why is Spine Chill even on the list ? That perk gets WAYYYY too many credits.