UlvenDagoth
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They are on the wiki, and Killer Instinct add-ons are useless cause Killer instinct doesn't tell you distance. That plus your short duration means you might run after someone you can't even get too.
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DS was fine till everyone started to abuse it as much as they could. It needs some tweaking cause it can make a Killer lose at higher ranks easily and rewards bad Survivor plays (like Survivors like to say NOED does for Killers). Also the amount of salty survivors in here... wow. I've played both sides, but even if I hadn't that shouldn't invalidate my opinion. That's like saying survivors have no right to talk about Killers, and yet I still see "nerf wraith" threads for crying out loud.
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@WillWolf76 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/870520#Comment_870520
Well then, maybe make it so that another survivor in the area overrides the killer stopping it. Also to prevent the killer from using this is a tool to find survivors, he can't see progression of hooked.
I am glad you said this because I didn't think of that problem. Would this be a good solution to it?
It helps at least
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#buffLegion
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@se05239 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896547#Comment_896547
They've invested far too much time in Legion to just "rework" them (again) at this point. Thanks to Legion and Deep Wound, they've suffered a lot of headaches.
cause they kept doing tweaks that didn't work at all. They need a rework and not a fumbling series of mess ups.
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Just sayin that maybe they couldn't get Hoffman. It's happened before with others.
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*checks Sodium levels in this discussion, blinks then runs*
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Cause License
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It's not even surprising the nerfs are way longer than the buffs. Can we get a rework for Legion and a removal of Deep wounds from the power?
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Indeed
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I like these ideas! Though NMCKE makes good points as well.
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No
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I rather like this idea! It would make the game alot more exciting. That and well, it would make sense for the Entity to get more involved and torment the pawns it has.
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@[Deleted User] said:
Claudette P3 didn't use stealth. She used camouflage. There's a difference between the two. Stealth is actually hiding from something. Camouflage is trying to blend in with your surroundings.
Sorry, but I don't find any skill in just equipping ridiculously dark clothes, squatting in the nearest patch of grass and then calling it 'stealth', when I can actually stealth perfectly fine with Claudette when wearing the glossy, glittering, glow-in-the-dark white dress on her by actually staying out of the killer's direct line of sight:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/903/D3Y4CHWGYLOZ.png
You can't get much more obvious than that. Yet I stealth just fine without even the aid of stealth perks like Urban Evasion or Fixated or Quick & Quiet. It's almost like there's more to stealth than just putting on dark clothes.
EXACTLY
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Devs giving a darn
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@Toxicboii said:
Us - gives decent ideas to make Legion better
BHVR - Nerfs deep wounds, and returned old legion.
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Yeah... I had those threads and all, I thought putting it all together would help them see it.
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I used to use Surge, Thrilling Tremors, STBFL, Corrupt.
Might need to switch out STBFL for something now, but it's a strong build that saves you alot of time.
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@brokedownpalace said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896704#Comment_896704
Despite your temper tantrum getting 75 upvotes, it was still a temper tantrum. Behave like an adult and you will be treated like an adult.
It's really cute how yall keep trying to make me mad.
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@NullSp3c said:
I love all the changes done except the ones to deep wounds.
Scrap all those ideas that you posted about deep wounds and make it so deep wounds bar doesn't reduce within a 20 meter fixed radius. And maintain the skillchecks on it.
Though I will say I like the Tier 3 madness version of DW better than what we have now. So I disagree with this part. I like the changes they put in for it... THOUGH, I'm still of the mind that Deep Wounds should be removed from Legion completely as it's tied to Borrowed Time and makes everything a huge mess. Why they tied those two together and thought it was a good idea is beyond me.
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@NullSp3c said:
I forgot to say this.
"Hitting a survivor who is already afflicted with deep wounds will significantly shorten The Legion's fatuige"
This encourages tunnel and not spreading hits so i propose this:
Hitting a survivor who is already afflicted with deep wounds will significantly shorten The Legion's fatigue for each survivor put in deep wounds by this feral frenzy.
Oh interesting change. I didn't even think of that. Nice idea, Null.
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@Stornt said:
Any killer can do well if played right. I've personally been enjoying new Legion changes because of the vault speed and running speed changes. Sure deep wounds aren't really a major threat, but I'd be lying if I said it still didn't help slow.
12 seconds for one survivor to be out of doing anything is pretty nice sometimes. 8 seconds is even better when there's two people, because that's two not doing anything for 8 seconds.
Gotta be optimistic with changes and do your best to have fun, because that's how games are meant to be played!
Shouldn't be happy with something cause "At least it's something."
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I'll just copy paste this cause i've said it alot
Legion has no power in a chase, even less against survivors who stay injured and are any good at loops. The Deep wound is worse than worthless now, and none of the "Buffs" out weigh even the nerfs that come with them, let alone the 4 second slowdown, losing 50% of your power on an m1 and long long cool down we already suffered with. At the end of the day, Legion is a very loopable m1 Killer still, now with less perk synergy and even less slowdown.
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Let me just copy paste this, cause I've said it alot.
Legion has no power in a chase, even less against survivors who stay injured and are any good at loops. The Deep wound is worse than worthless now, and none of the "Buffs" out weigh even the nerfs that come with them, let alone the 4 second slowdown, losing 50% of your power on an m1 and long long cool down we already suffered with. At the end of the day, Legion is a very loopable m1 Killer still, now with less perk synergy and even less slowdown.
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@BunnyTheHutt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/897505#Comment_897505
Personally being able too move faster doesn't outway how horrible Deep Wound and Feral Frenzy is.
Agreed
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@RIP_Legion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888571#Comment_888571
But that already happened, unless you were in chase with someone right next to the gen their bar went down. Now you can run across the map, go for a save, and then get healed in 8 seconds. Not to mention if the Legion hits someone else in frenzy that person who didn't bother mending won't even be seen by killer instinct. It's not a positive change for Legion whatsoever. If someone is about to pop a gen and they get hit with the frenzy it's not like they have to stop immediately, they have 30 seconds to do gens/heal/open a gate.
You are not wrong.
@Sonzaishinai said:
First of all i would say you are right for complaining about this
Legion is the only killer i p3ed and seeing them like this is painfull
Do realise that this is obviously not the final change to the legion
Their focus was on Oni and all the new stuff so they just did some quick tweaking to the Legion
DW being changed made sense, not saying it's a good change, but it made sense, it will be really hard to cheese now
The FF no longer counting as basic attacks seems weird but maybe this was just a prevention tweak because the next chapter has a perk that would be problematic with it, or maybe they found something the community hasen't yet
Most likely i think their was a bug with it and they just disabled it for now so they get more time to fix the bug
All in all i think the atrocious Legion changes come from a lack of time rather then what they think is best for the character
I feel they should start making the time between chapters 4 months, 3 months is clearly not enough time as seen with the basement bug and everything
You have more faith then me at this point. I hope you are right.
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@xllxENIGMAxllx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/897765#Comment_897765
But yet what about the other posts.
I would like to see them comment on more, but even this makes me feel a tiny iota better.
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Now to the topic at hand. I really like these ideas. I could really get behind them as they DO give you some stall potential and everything like that. I still think that Deep Wounds needs to just be removed from Feral Frenzy and replaced with something else, as balancing Deep Wounds is a night mare. The reducing the Legion's fatigue after hitting someone again is lovely too, as it would mean you could use the power in chase. That's something i've wanted for Legion as well. Making the Deep Wounds be like madness Tier 3 is a nice touch too, and the Skill check would likely make it feel far more interactive for survivors.
Over all, lovely ideas, You have the Blessings of The Legion.
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@Peanits said:
These sound pretty reasonable, although I wouldn't want to see mending considered as a healing action. That sounds like a Nurse's Calling nightmare.
I'll send this over to the design team to make sure they see it.
Thank you. I've been wanting to just see something like this for a long time.
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@The_Bootie_Gorgon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896912#Comment_896912
I'm anal about things but not anal about things...in this instance i'm not trying to be an ass but I still may come off as an ass...ppl love/hate me in meetings....
naw. Just clarifying the intent and all. You are fine.
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@The_Bootie_Gorgon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896846#Comment_896846
I need to be clearer at times...my mistake
You went to peanits stream. Peanits is not a dev, I believe peanits is a community manager. I also didn't mean the dev streams bhvr does when talking about new chapters and stuff...again, I should clarify more.
Yes. I was commenting on the thread that was posted in. I asked him about it, got that as a response and then dropped talking about it as soon as he said he wasn't at work, as I don't want to bug him on his off day. I can't help what he said to my questions, and how it made me feel even more strongly that BHVR doesn't care. I asked "Have you seen all the threads talking about Legion being worse now?" and "Did you see my thread? Alot of people have commented in it." And that was it. I know you aren't trying to make me look bad or anything, but that's the 100% truth. That's not "Harassing" or "Abusing." it's asking a company for answers, as a customer.
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@NMCKE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896879#Comment_896879
Sure, you can run to the Exit Gates freely, that is why I don't like how it pauses.
They should've make DW distance based, and made survivors unable to see their DW timer. 🤗😁
They should also let the killer see the timer because it's not like the timer accurately gives away the survivor's position either.
However, I feel like y'all aren't giving BHVR enough credit because they did buff frenzy speed, increased vault speed, and made the pin add-ons a little better. Most of these changes are not add-on related, so this is making him just a little less add-on reliant in the long run. 😁
The "buff" was a reverted nerf. All of the other nerfs are still there with more piled on. Legion's power is more of a punishment to Legion than it is to survivors. So no, I'm not gonna be happy cause "At least it's something." They need to just remove Deep Wounds from Legion and give them something else. The whole power was flawed from the start and it's too insane to balance around. It's that simple. Remove Deep Wounds from Legion and Buff/Rework them (a Freddy style rework.)
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@OmegaXII said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896704#Comment_896704
You know.. many people talked about nurse nerf with "calm and collected" manner. They even listed out all reasons why it is bad during the PTB, even now.
Guess what? NOTHING was changed from PTB to live besides nerfing her cooldown add-ons more. And they decide to go dark and ignore every threads about nurse.
So it proved that no matter how you talk to them, they will not listen, especially something that is beneficial to killers. (Look at how long it took to nerf DS and buff freddy)
I can't argue with that.
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@The_Bootie_Gorgon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896761#Comment_896761
I cannot speak for them personally, I do not represent BHVR. I'm just sharing my perspective on the OP.
Now regarding the legion changes...based on my opinion...
From my input, streamers were bringing up how OG Legion was going to come back based on some perks and what not.
Original Legion, was apparently not good for the game health...
Do we bring back original ganstar legion which would affect a bigger portion of the playerbase or do we focus on on the minority of Legion players...again, this is just my opinion...
Or, even just do the same thing with some kinda hint or something that Legion would be reworked or helped after. That's all i want. I want to know that they will do something to help Legion and the other lower Tier Killers be good. That's all.
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@Vetrathene said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896878#Comment_896878
Sounds about right. Its weird though, I still have some hope (or maybe an addiction), because I'm still on these forums trying to get things changed.
I've lost faith completely. I hope I am wrong and that Legion gets the help/rework they need... but I don't see it happening. I'm still here too.
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@Marcus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/888571#Comment_888571
The timer from Deep Wounds is longer than opening a exit gate. You can literally open a exit gate while you have Deep Wounds and you won't go down from it, unless the timer was already at half when you started to open the exit gate. So yeah, Deep Wounds is even more useless now.
Don't forget you can happily run to the exit gate with no issue now.
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@Vetrathene said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896861#Comment_896861
Yeah I was in that thread when it was posted, my mind broke a little when I read that.
and now it broke worse. Reality will break before Legion gets love or help it feels like.
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Oh yeah... I saw that. Made me sad.
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@Nonfunctional said:
Guys if you want to play a S tier killer then play a S tier killer.
A killer is always going to be the weakest and it's not even Legion so what's to complain about?
cause some people like the lower tier Killers and want them to be worth a darn and not be forced to play the same 3 Killers to have any impact on a game.
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@Vetrathene said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896838#Comment_896838
Maybe, but like you said, its how I feel. I thought this game was going in a good direction finally, until it was suddenly Nurse, Spirit, and FREAKING LEGION nerfed all in a row. And it makes me worry about Doc.
Yeah... same.
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@The_Bootie_Gorgon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896817#Comment_896817
While from your perspective, you are not "abusing" or "harrassing" the "devs"... It's possible that they could feel "abused" or "harrassed" by your conduct on the forums/dev stream(s)...just something to think about...
I've never been on a Dev stream. I've never told the Devs to go jump off a cliff or "FRICK YOU" or anything like that. I just want answers. I've lost faith in the Devs... it's not the same as being angry and wanting to treat them badly.
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@Vetrathene said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896817#Comment_896817
I also would like an answer, But with the potential for another killer nerf soon, I think the answer is "We made it seem like we where trying to balance the game properly lately, but that was just to try to get killer mains to shut up and be happy with a reworked freddy and some desperately needed survivor nerfs that took much longer to come out then all of these killer nerfs in a row.
I bit harsh, but I can't argue the point much at the moment.
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Means no one in your area wants to be a Killer.
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I also want to point out i'm not "Abusing" or "Harassing" the devs here. I just want an answer.
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@Seanzu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896784#Comment_896784
Stop, you're trying too hard.
I've not actually commented specifically on the topic you're addressing but someone else who thinks harassing devs on their streams, or in general is the appropriate thing to do, you're entirely missing the point of my comment, so sadly, the ignorance is all yours.
Also, I've never harassed anyone. You seem to enjoy doing it though.
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@Seanzu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896790#Comment_896790
No imagination here.
You explained it quite clearly, you made a thread and got a super impressive 75 updoots, and wondered to yourself "why aren't the devs addressing my 75 updoots!" You then decided the appropriate action was to go to the devs twitch stream and question him on why you weren't given any attention, and then call him out on the forums as if he needs to give you an explanation as to why he didn't reply.
I was merely saying "Yes, this got alot of views and feedback and it wasn't looked at." It had nothing to do with it being my thread. I went there to ask if they had looked at ANY of the threads about Legion, not just mine. Then I contributed to the thread with what he said. So once again, you are just trying to upset me, and failing terribly.
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@Seanzu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896747#Comment_896747
One hell of an imagination you've got there.
Same to you. I mentioned it in stream, he told me that then that he wasn't at work or anything. I told him sorry for bringing it up on his off day then dropped it. So, good job attempting to upset me when you have no idea what happened.
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@LoverOfDemogorgon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896757#Comment_896757
The devs cherry pick the heck out of those questions too, and they seem always resilient to ever go into specifics until patch notes on pressing issues, and hardly ever talk about the reasoning, and if they ever do the reasoning is backwards as heck and no one agree's with it. I would quote almo's response post to why the dev team nerfed deep wound all together instead of you know... NERFING THE LEGION ADDONS ONLY WHICH WAS THE ISSUE. They were okay with buffing borrowed time of all perks and hurting legion even more because... well your guess is as good as mine
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@neoncatjacky said:
Just make feral frenzy down deep wound survivors again. The new deep wound system is literally garbage. All u need is to sprint or mend and u won't go down.
Or maybe just reduce the timings for BT and Feral frenzy like 6 sec or somewhat.
Because now the deep wound effect is literally not a harm to survivors and totally not a map pressure thingy.
Since the speed within feral frenzy is the main symbol of legion and why not give legion back his ability to down people with it?
They should just remove Deep Wounds from Feral Frenzy. Then go from there.
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@Seanzu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/896728#Comment_896728
They don't have to read your thread. Your opinion is not some sacred text looked over and fed back to the developer team, and to top it off, you threw a tantrum and bothered him while he was streaming to ask why you weren't given the attention you wanted.
Good job trying to insult, attack, and upset me. Not gonna work.