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@TreemanXD said:
I try, but the principal problem are the teammates...
Teammates can be a killer but most of the time my teammates are competent.
That RARELY happens to me, most of them play ninja and sometimes they just let me die for 1 generator, they do not care that I has been chased for 4 minutes ..
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@HeHeBoii said:
@Arroz said:
What rank are you? Maybe you just camp for the hatch , huh?.. Because most of the time I play as solo survivor i get trash immersed claudette's who camp the hatch, a solo survivor can deal with a ebony mori?...
You do know, just cuz your skills don't reach what your desired potential is in a match doesn't apply to everyone else.
Food for thought yes?Apparently you can not really take a discussion without taking false arguments, from my point of view the only thing you try to do is cause toxicity. It's not worth arguing with someone from 0 IQ ..
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@TreemanXD said:
What rank are you? Maybe you just camp for the hatch , huh?.. Because most of the time I play as solo survivor i get trash immersed claudette's who camp the hatch, a solo survivor can deal with a ebony mori?...
I’m rank 8 and ebony mori is pretty rare for me and as for your hatch camper remark the answer is no, I do my objective.
Im at rank 5, and when a p3 claudette enter the lobby they just equip a mori, is really normal to me too see a mori.
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@HeHeBoii said:
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@Yamaoka said:
Are you able to read? I am not a survivor main. I'm a player with more hours as killer than survivor and I say it's too easy to win as killer right now while nearly impossible as solo survivor. That's not balance. If you don't agree you're clearly bad at the game. Most maps are just a bunch of objects and a few unsafe pallets and unsafe windows that can't be mindgamed. Big challenge - not.But obviously you don't want to have a challenge. You just want a braindead 4k. Definitely a ruin+noed player 😂
Git gud.
And for these reason im never gonna stop playing swf now, I liked to play solo but it's a total joke now.
Well said.SWF on Voice Coms = Balanced game
Solo survivors = Joke
Not as much as a SWF on voice coms.
Killers can deal with a swf, you have mori's, iridiscent head, Ew3 infinite, noed, frank's mixtape (totally unbalanced), insta chainsaw, omega 5 blink nurse and the broken hitboxes
..And one of you can loop and all gen rush with Prove thyself. What's your point mate, cuz u ain't getting to it.
The only thing of survivor can do is loop, what do you want to survivor do? run in a straight line?,
If I see a toolbox in my lobby I equip franklin's + SB
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@TreemanXD said:
Nah mate, just a pure broken experience because this game wasn't made for solo survivors. A game that was meant for 4 random survivors and a killer in a fog was never the intention, no no, how dare you!
Have you tried using bond, open handed and kindred yet? They really help.
I try, but the principal problem are the teammates...
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What rank are you? Maybe you just camp for the hatch , huh?.. Because most of the time I play as solo survivor i get trash immersed claudette's who camp the hatch, a solo survivor can deal with a ebony mori?...
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@HeHeBoii said:
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@HeHeBoii said:
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@Yamaoka said:
Are you able to read? I am not a survivor main. I'm a player with more hours as killer than survivor and I say it's too easy to win as killer right now while nearly impossible as solo survivor. That's not balance. If you don't agree you're clearly bad at the game. Most maps are just a bunch of objects and a few unsafe pallets and unsafe windows that can't be mindgamed. Big challenge - not.But obviously you don't want to have a challenge. You just want a braindead 4k. Definitely a ruin+noed player 😂
Git gud.
And for these reason im never gonna stop playing swf now, I liked to play solo but it's a total joke now.
Well said.SWF on Voice Coms = Balanced game
Solo survivors = Joke
Not as much as a SWF on voice coms.
Killers can deal with a swf, you have mori's, iridiscent head, Ew3 infinite, noed, frank's mixtape (totally unbalanced), insta chainsaw, omega 5 blink nurse and the broken hitboxes
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@HeHeBoii said:
@Arroz said:
@Yamaoka said:
Are you able to read? I am not a survivor main. I'm a player with more hours as killer than survivor and I say it's too easy to win as killer right now while nearly impossible as solo survivor. That's not balance. If you don't agree you're clearly bad at the game. Most maps are just a bunch of objects and a few unsafe pallets and unsafe windows that can't be mindgamed. Big challenge - not.But obviously you don't want to have a challenge. You just want a braindead 4k. Definitely a ruin+noed player 😂
Git gud.
And for these reason im never gonna stop playing swf now, I liked to play solo but it's a total joke now.
Well said.SWF on Voice Coms = Balanced game
Solo survivors = Joke
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@Yamaoka said:
Are you able to read? I am not a survivor main. I'm a player with more hours as killer than survivor and I say it's too easy to win as killer right now while nearly impossible as solo survivor. That's not balance. If you don't agree you're clearly bad at the game. Most maps are just a bunch of objects and a few unsafe pallets and unsafe windows that can't be mindgamed. Big challenge - not.But obviously you don't want to have a challenge. You just want a braindead 4k. Definitely a ruin+noed player 😂
Git gud.
And for these reason im never gonna stop playing swf now, I liked to play solo but it's a total joke now.
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Hmm, so let's better dont run it
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@Master said:
Why would you use no mither and unbreakableDid you see the change? killers are obviously gonna let you in the floor for dont get d striked, so im gonna equip no mither for recover all the times I want and unbreakable for do it faster
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@Mushwin said:
yes, blood hound....my first min is blood hound, i use it with other killers, just so i know where the hell theywent but every time i have the wraith, the tunnel!!!Because wraith power it's just only fo camp?, lmao
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@Master said:
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@drunky26 said:
Don't use it. Please don't.
No one say to killer no use noed,rancon or dying light..? everyone can use what they want
Sure, its just advice.
He can do whatever he wants to do, but then he shouldnt complain when the killer does "whatever" to him aswell.
Yeah is he's problem, most killer will use 1 ebony mori, insta chainsaw and tunnel him against a tier 1 decisive strike, but is he's problem
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You serious didn't understand? read it again
So its ok to use DS, the most broken perk ingame, but its not ok for the killer to use stuff?
I dont understand@Master said:
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@drunky26 said:
Don't use it. Please don't.
No one say to killer no use noed,rancon or dying light..? everyone can use what they want
Sure, its just advice.
He can do whatever he wants to do, but then he shouldnt complain when the killer does "whatever" to him aswell.
Yeah is he's problem, most killer will use 1 ebony mori, insta chainsaw and tunnel him against a tier 1 decisive strike, but is he's problem
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You serious didn't understand? read it again
So its ok to use DS, the most broken perk ingame, but its not ok for the killer to use stuff?
I dont understandNo I didn't say killers can use what they want, they can why no? and btw there are more broken things than ds like the iridiscent hatchets, and the problem it's not the addon it's the freaking broken hitboxes.. anyways for me is really easy to use huntress and easy to play
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@Mr_Black said:
Legion is fine how he is... He just needs a slight nerf to his feral frenzy... And maybe make him more realistic...
E.g.
Walk Speed: 4.0 m/s
Feral Frenzy Speed: 5.2 m/s
Height: Average
Terror Radius: 28No, legion needs a buff in he's base speed and rework or remove frank's mixtape
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@Master said:
Arroz said:@Master said:
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@drunky26 said:
Don't use it. Please don't.
No one say to killer no use noed,rancon or dying light..? everyone can use what they want
Sure, its just advice.
He can do whatever he wants to do, but then he shouldnt complain when the killer does "whatever" to him aswell.
Yeah is he's problem, most killer will use 1 ebony mori, insta chainsaw and tunnel him against a tier 1 decisive strike, but is he's problem
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You serious didn't understand? read it again
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@I_am_Negan said:
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@I_am_Negan said:
Couldn't tell you, I don't use itHow hours do you have bruh..?, I dont use noed and I know how it works, you dont need to use a perk for understand how it work.
I just started playing last week.
I think that was obvious xD
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Yeah is he's problem, most killer will use 1 ebony mori, insta chainsaw and tunnel him against a tier 1 decisive strike, but is he's problem
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@drunky26 said:
Don't use it. Please don't.No one say to killer no use noed,rancon or dying light..? everyone can use what they want
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@I_am_Negan said:
Couldn't tell you, I don't use itHow hours do you have bruh..?, I dont use noed and I know how it works, you dont need to use a perk for understand how it work.
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@Eveline said:
After I know I pipped I just relax and don't play that seriously. If the match is too long I let the killer kill me.I dont care about pips, I care about points.. I just dont care about my rank, rank does not mean nothing just you play too much.
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@Tarvesh said:
Arroz said:@Tarvesh said:
Pinhead (or Chatterer since Pinhead is so damn powerful), Chucky, Jason, Gremlins, Xenomorph, Tall Man, Krampus
All of the killer you mention should be in the game except jason, jason need a really big map and I dont like him, anyways we already have the trapper
Jason is nothing like the Trapper. First, he doesn’t set traps...
Why would Jason need a big map?
Do you know a game called "friday the 13th", tell me what would be the jason power and perks? (not underpowerered perks)> @Tarvesh said:
Arroz said:
@Tarvesh said:
Arroz said:
@Tarvesh said: Pinhead (or Chatterer since Pinhead is so damn powerful), Chucky, Jason, Gremlins, Xenomorph, Tall Man, Krampus All of the killer you mention should be in the game except jason, jason need a really big map and I dont like him, anyways we already have the trapper Jason is nothing like the Trapper. First, he doesn’t set traps...
Why would Jason need a big map?
Do you know a game called "friday the 13th", tell me what would be the jason power and perks? (not underpowerered perks)
Seen it but haven’t played it.
Jason is a juggernaut and seems to be able to sense where people are and appear from nowhere. So I would venture the following:
Whenever Jason is the killer the map gains ten fog banks.
Juggernaut: Slow but steady, Jason plows through the most punishing of blows. Jason moves at the same speed as sprinting survivors but isn’t stopped simple things like walls. Stun and blinds effect Jason for 50% of their normal duration. Pallets that hit Jason are instantly destroyed. Valt Windows and walls are able to be walked through and permanently destroyed (they can no longer be used if destroyed this way).
Life Sense: Jason’s thirst for vengeance and death Whenever Jason injures or hooks a survivor he gains a token. Channeling this ability for 5 seconds removes one token but reveals the aura of all survivors for 10 seconds.
Where is he?: Jason always seems to appear where he’s least expected. Jason can remain still for 10 seconds before a map of the arena pulls up and he can choose one of ten fog banks around the map to teleport to.
I think that would be a pretty good generalized Jason.
Like the other perk, but juggernaut is really op, how can he be allowed to destoy the window.? so if that perk can instantly destroy pallets and windows sabottaged hook will be destroyed for 5 minutes...
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@HavelmomDaS1 said:
I just watched this match and I can absolutly confirm this situation as beeing totally unfun and stupid. Wiggle DS is the strongest thing survivors can have and I really don't know how the devs thought this is fine or balanced. One wiggle DS can make you lose the match, no matter how good you played it.It's the first chase so there is no real need for a time stamp I guess.
DS, it's not the problem, the problem is the "*G E N R U S *", I hate gen rush too and I agree as a survivor main to have more objectives to do for escape and it would be fun, I use ds when i get matched with a row with tunnelers and toxic killers, btw if they fix the gen rush ds would be fine, most people who use ds just run in a straight line they are potatoes, but a good looper can make you lose 5 minutes again..
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@Tarvesh said:
Arroz said:@Tarvesh said:
Pinhead (or Chatterer since Pinhead is so damn powerful), Chucky, Jason, Gremlins, Xenomorph, Tall Man, Krampus
All of the killer you mention should be in the game except jason, jason need a really big map and I dont like him, anyways we already have the trapper
Jason is nothing like the Trapper. First, he doesn’t set traps...
Why would Jason need a big map?
Do you know a game called "friday the 13th", tell me what would be the jason power and perks? (not underpowerered perks)
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@Tarvesh said:
Pinhead (or Chatterer since Pinhead is so damn powerful), Chucky, Jason, Gremlins, Xenomorph, Tall Man, KrampusAll of the killer you mention should be in the game except jason, jason need a really big map and I dont like him, anyways we already have the trapper
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@RabidWabbitz said:
@Arroz said:
@HatCreature said:
@Arroz said:
@HatCreature said:
I think they're done with that
I dont think so, i commented on the @not_Queen stream and she say who we want..
Oh #########?! Damn that's good news, I might actually start coming up with ideas now.
Me too! for this i created this post, maybe we can have ghostface or the ring? (the ring would be a spirit cosmetic, nah jk) and as survivor we can get Martin Herderson? or Sidney Presscot And I would like a licensed map too
We already have Ghostface, he is also known as The Legion.
So let's remove legion and add ghostface (since legion is a trash killer)
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@Eveline said:
Im ascending from Kate main to Nea main.No PlS DoNt dO iT
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@HatCreature said:
@Arroz said:
@HatCreature said:
I think they're done with thatI dont think so, i commented on the @not_Queen stream and she say who we want..
Oh #########?! Damn that's good news, I might actually start coming up with ideas now.
Check this idea for the ring, is really good
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/17444/the-vision-samara-from-the-ring
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@HatCreature said:
@Arroz said:
@HatCreature said:
I think they're done with thatI dont think so, i commented on the @not_Queen stream and she say who we want..
Oh #########?! Damn that's good news, I might actually start coming up with ideas now.
Me too! for this i created this post, maybe we can have ghostface or the ring? (the ring would be a spirit cosmetic, nah jk) and as survivor we can get Martin Herderson? or Sidney Presscot And I would like a licensed map too
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Can you add this to joey?
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@RabidWabbitz said:
Pinhead is the only Choice here!Or jeepers creepers!
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@HatCreature said:
I think they're done with thatI dont think so, i commented on the @not_Queen stream and she say who we want..
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@GT_Legend2 said:
Is it even possible to transform himbeyond this point? I fear for his DBD future if he chooses Nea over the superior Jake
(no offense, Nea mains)Holy #########, he can't be a ######### nea main! dont let he be a nea main pls
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
I think Mr.X from Resident Evil would be impossible to add simply because he would be too OP. Mr. X WILL give it to ya and survivors don't like that so we would have to nerf Mr. X to ONLY give it to ya sometimes and not always. Such a shame. Just imagine being on Lery's or the game and all you hear are his footsteps approaching instead of the usual terror radiusHe would be really op, but i would like a movie killer.. like ghostface
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@HatCreature said:
@White_Owl said:
@PigNRun said:
Was that DLC released around the time they released Gas Heaven or Groaning Storehouse? That might explain the lack of a map.Leatherface was released with Grim Pantry and devs said consider that his own map.
Oh I thought Grim was Hag's map, I thought she got two maps.
Yeah, me too lol, but it would be good to get a map..
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@ToxicFengM1n said:
@Swiftblade131 said:
@tizzi717 said:
nerf the only good perk of survivor after all the nerf in this 2018. At the same time killer has up to 5 one shot perk. Very nice balance killer main"nerf the only good perk of survivor after all the nerf in this 2018"
What is Balanced Landing?
What is Self-Care?
What is Iron Will?
What is Urban Evasion?Just having these 4 perks is so good. 1 Exhaustion perk for running, Iron will can help bamboozle some killers and helps you stealth when injured, Urban Evasion amplifies Iron Will, making a god like combo, it is also extremely good against Nurse and is just useful for stealth in general kind of acts like calm spirit for the crows since you are crouching, Self-Care for self reliance.
You are probably just to dependent on decisive.
I can add-on to your counter, Lithe is a powerful exhaust perk when mixed with Balanced landing, and alone is powerful anyways
How can lithe be a powerful perk.. you serious? balanced landing is the only good exhaustion perk right now, lithe just suck
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@Okapi said:
@Arroz said:
@Swiftblade131 said:
@tizzi717 said:
nerf the only good perk of survivor after all the nerf in this 2018. At the same time killer has up to 5 one shot perk. Very nice balance killer main"nerf the only good perk of survivor after all the nerf in this 2018"
What is Balanced Landing?
What is Self-Care?
What is Iron Will?
What is Urban Evasion?Just having these 4 perks is so good. 1 Exhaustion perk for running, Iron will can help bamboozle some killers and helps you stealth when injured, Urban Evasion amplifies Iron Will, making a god like combo, it is also extremely good against Nurse and is just useful for stealth in general kind of acts like calm spirit for the crows since you are crouching, Self-Care for self reliance.
You are probably just to dependent on decisive.
Urban evasion, you serious?
What's wrong with it? As a solo survivor I use the perk and it's helped more times than I can count. Is great against Nurse and Spirit and downright counters Hag.
@Okapi said:
@Arroz said:
@Swiftblade131 said:
@tizzi717 said:
nerf the only good perk of survivor after all the nerf in this 2018. At the same time killer has up to 5 one shot perk. Very nice balance killer main"nerf the only good perk of survivor after all the nerf in this 2018"
What is Balanced Landing?
What is Self-Care?
What is Iron Will?
What is Urban Evasion?Just having these 4 perks is so good. 1 Exhaustion perk for running, Iron will can help bamboozle some killers and helps you stealth when injured, Urban Evasion amplifies Iron Will, making a god like combo, it is also extremely good against Nurse and is just useful for stealth in general kind of acts like calm spirit for the crows since you are crouching, Self-Care for self reliance.
You are probably just to dependent on decisive.
Urban evasion, you serious?
What's wrong with it? As a solo survivor I use the perk and it's helped more times than I can count. Is great against Nurse and Spirit and downright counters Hag.
It's not for my play style, i dont like to be sneaky... and most people who use urban evasion are claudette's that let you die in the hook or surfers..
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@DocOctober said:
The two Meg mains are clearly trolls or quite simply suck playing Survivor.Don't pay any attention to them, it's not worth anyone's time.
Your right
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@Swiftblade131 said:
@tizzi717 said:
nerf the only good perk of survivor after all the nerf in this 2018. At the same time killer has up to 5 one shot perk. Very nice balance killer main"nerf the only good perk of survivor after all the nerf in this 2018"
What is Balanced Landing?
What is Self-Care?
What is Iron Will?
What is Urban Evasion?Just having these 4 perks is so good. 1 Exhaustion perk for running, Iron will can help bamboozle some killers and helps you stealth when injured, Urban Evasion amplifies Iron Will, making a god like combo, it is also extremely good against Nurse and is just useful for stealth in general kind of acts like calm spirit for the crows since you are crouching, Self-Care for self reliance.
You are probably just to dependent on decisive.
Urban evasion, you serious?
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@Vietfox said:
@Yamaoka said:
mintchapstick said: @fluffybunny they're trolling you. They? Trapperisop and alphaphalt is obviously the same person. Check the time on "their" comments. EDIT: "they" even created the same thread at the same time. 😂 Or maybe friends.
Or maybe a killer main pretending to be a survivor main.
I think it's the guy @Master, or the other guy called "wraith?", they just want to create toxicity in this forum
Nah, it's not him. There's only one guy here in this forum who would do and speak like that
The only one I know it's wraith..
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mintchapstick said:@fluffybunny they're trolling you.
They? Trapperisop and alphaphalt is obviously the same person. Check the time on "their" comments.
EDIT: "they" even created the same thread at the same time. 😂
Or maybe friends.
Or maybe a killer main pretending to be a survivor main.I think it's the guy @Master, or the other guy called "wraith?", they just want to create toxicity in this forum
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@mintchapstick said:
@Arroz said:
*Ultrare addon, yeah i know hillbilly is a problem but it require skill to control the chainsaw (hillbilly insta chainsaw is op but i dont want to killer mains cry at this discussion so let's not talk about that pls), the problem it's of the other killer can't jump pallets or windows, and in frenzy mode he have more speed than survivors.You can make the chainsaw really easily steerable by using add-ons & while using his chainsaw he has a lot more speed than survivors. Yes, Legion can jump pallets while using his frenzy power, but both Hillbilly & Leatherface can just chainsaw through them?
I'm not not going to bring up the powers of other characters in this discussion. Because if people are fine with one-down mechanics, then they can get over pallet vaulting.
The only problem with hillbilly is the instachainsaw and the broken hitbox, but legion is just anooying, he dont need any skill, FRANK'S MIXTAPE, can jump over pallets/windows and this just end the chase if your deep wound bar is really low, mend is anooying legion is just anooying..
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@Shad03 said:
@Arroz said:
@Shad03 said:
Howdy there, mostly killer main here coming to talk to you about a potential fun fix for Legion. Since he is confirmed that he will be getting a rework soon™, I figured I should throw my mask in the ring and suggest something for a potential change.I've posted the meat of this idea into another one of my discussions, but this is to expand on the idea. I want actual feedback here people. We don't get better without it.
[I am well aware there is a little to no chance that my idea will be used, but I want to at least show what I can think of]
The Legion was advertised as a group of teens and Frank had been shown that, even if once, was able to fool survivors and hide his heartbeat. The trailer was misleading and the only thing dealing with The Legion's multi group function is the cosmetics. I want to change this.
I wish to keep the Legion's uniqueness and add it to his strength. For this, each Legion member will be present in the trial, with you controlling either of the four members (your power is affected by the body cosmetics you choose).
My idea would be that if you have the Joey cosmetic, you start off the trial as Joey, and can then switch between the other Legion members during the trial, who would be sitting in random locations within 64 meters or more from your current position. The Legion members will not attack survivors, but will have various uses which can be affected by add ons.
When I say sit, I mean they'll be able to be seen in idle animations, Susie could be sitting next to a locker while Joey will be leaning against a wall for example. Upon seeing a survivor they can do a few things based on what can be considered fair. I would like that they make a loud noise event, then run out of sight. Legion Members can be seen via different auras. Or just a red/yellow aura for the killer.
Each Legion member can be sorta unique in their own way, having different stats like different terror radius and movement. I will place my idea below on how unique they can be. Bear in mind to compare, I will use 100% as a baseline for something like vault speed.
Frank: He is the mastermind of the group, he knows how to get the job done quickly and efficiently. He vaults pallets at 75% speed. His terror radius is the standard 32 meters, and his movement speed is 115%. He cannot enter Feral Frenzy, though he has a 50% chance of activating killer instincts for 15 seconds upon hitting a survivor.
Julie: She follows Frank in whatever his endeavors are. She is slightly more agile, able to vault pallets at 85% speed. Her terror radius is at 24 meters and she moves at 113% movement speed. She cannot enter Feral Frenzy, however her attacks have a 55% chance of giving her killer instincts for 10 seconds.
Susie: She will follow Frank since she has no other choice. She is very agile due to her hidden bloodlust, her pallet vault speed is at 100%. Her terror radius is set at 8 meters, and she moves at 100% movement speed. She can enter Feral Frenzy which applies Deep Wounds and grants her the Killer Instinct. Hitting a survivor already afflicted with Deep Wounds stuns her.
Joey: He finds Frank as a friend and will trust him. He is not as agile as the others and vaults pallets at 50% speed. His terror radius is the standard 32 meters and his movement speed is 113%. He can enter Feral Franzy and can apply the Deep Wound effect. Hitting a survivor already afflicted with Deep Wounds will stun him. He of course gets the Killer Instinct when hitting a survivor with Feral Frenzy.
You can no longer break pallets and vaulting will be considered a blood point gain event that gives just as much as normally breaking a pallet. You only get blood points once per pallet you vault. Pallet vaulting of course is faster then breaking the pallet.
Of course I am aware of how complicated this can all be which is why it's only a idea. If I knew how to code then I would definitely beg to apply to BHVR so I could help
I am also aware that add ons need to change, and if you want I can give a few ideas about that. As for how you switch between Legion members, I guess you can use the activation button when facing a member, and to make it easier the selectable member would be marked in white. The transition could either be the burn effect placed when changing characters in the lobby, or a dynamic scene of the Legion running to that the other's place.
TL;DR:
I want the Legion to be one of the more Unique killers by allowing power to reflect lore and cosmetics. Each Legion member would have their own stats and you don't even have to switch between each Legion if you want. The option would be there however.
You can no longer break pallets. Each Legion member has different vaulting speeds that are still faster than normally breaking a pallet, but someone like Joey can still be sorta looped.
I like the idea of switch while the match, but it's just the same everyone is gonna buy susie and equip frank's mixtape, and btw susie cost auric cells, so it would be a pay 2 win, but it's not a bad idea!, oh and I think of joey is just usseles, can you change joey? give him some love!
Susie and Joey would be avaliable to switch to even if you didn't buy them. You just wouldn't be able to start as them. None would be pay to win as each have their own weakness.
Strength in numbers, stronger as one.
Also the addons will be changed, so Franks will not do the same thing. I might change Joey's effects, but I'll have to see.
@Shad03 said:
@Arroz said:
@Shad03 said:
Howdy there, mostly killer main here coming to talk to you about a potential fun fix for Legion. Since he is confirmed that he will be getting a rework soon™, I figured I should throw my mask in the ring and suggest something for a potential change.I've posted the meat of this idea into another one of my discussions, but this is to expand on the idea. I want actual feedback here people. We don't get better without it.
[I am well aware there is a little to no chance that my idea will be used, but I want to at least show what I can think of]
The Legion was advertised as a group of teens and Frank had been shown that, even if once, was able to fool survivors and hide his heartbeat. The trailer was misleading and the only thing dealing with The Legion's multi group function is the cosmetics. I want to change this.
I wish to keep the Legion's uniqueness and add it to his strength. For this, each Legion member will be present in the trial, with you controlling either of the four members (your power is affected by the body cosmetics you choose).
My idea would be that if you have the Joey cosmetic, you start off the trial as Joey, and can then switch between the other Legion members during the trial, who would be sitting in random locations within 64 meters or more from your current position. The Legion members will not attack survivors, but will have various uses which can be affected by add ons.
When I say sit, I mean they'll be able to be seen in idle animations, Susie could be sitting next to a locker while Joey will be leaning against a wall for example. Upon seeing a survivor they can do a few things based on what can be considered fair. I would like that they make a loud noise event, then run out of sight. Legion Members can be seen via different auras. Or just a red/yellow aura for the killer.
Each Legion member can be sorta unique in their own way, having different stats like different terror radius and movement. I will place my idea below on how unique they can be. Bear in mind to compare, I will use 100% as a baseline for something like vault speed.
Frank: He is the mastermind of the group, he knows how to get the job done quickly and efficiently. He vaults pallets at 75% speed. His terror radius is the standard 32 meters, and his movement speed is 115%. He cannot enter Feral Frenzy, though he has a 50% chance of activating killer instincts for 15 seconds upon hitting a survivor.
Julie: She follows Frank in whatever his endeavors are. She is slightly more agile, able to vault pallets at 85% speed. Her terror radius is at 24 meters and she moves at 113% movement speed. She cannot enter Feral Frenzy, however her attacks have a 55% chance of giving her killer instincts for 10 seconds.
Susie: She will follow Frank since she has no other choice. She is very agile due to her hidden bloodlust, her pallet vault speed is at 100%. Her terror radius is set at 8 meters, and she moves at 100% movement speed. She can enter Feral Frenzy which applies Deep Wounds and grants her the Killer Instinct. Hitting a survivor already afflicted with Deep Wounds stuns her.
Joey: He finds Frank as a friend and will trust him. He is not as agile as the others and vaults pallets at 50% speed. His terror radius is the standard 32 meters and his movement speed is 113%. He can enter Feral Franzy and can apply the Deep Wound effect. Hitting a survivor already afflicted with Deep Wounds will stun him. He of course gets the Killer Instinct when hitting a survivor with Feral Frenzy.
You can no longer break pallets and vaulting will be considered a blood point gain event that gives just as much as normally breaking a pallet. You only get blood points once per pallet you vault. Pallet vaulting of course is faster then breaking the pallet.
Of course I am aware of how complicated this can all be which is why it's only a idea. If I knew how to code then I would definitely beg to apply to BHVR so I could help
I am also aware that add ons need to change, and if you want I can give a few ideas about that. As for how you switch between Legion members, I guess you can use the activation button when facing a member, and to make it easier the selectable member would be marked in white. The transition could either be the burn effect placed when changing characters in the lobby, or a dynamic scene of the Legion running to that the other's place.
TL;DR:
I want the Legion to be one of the more Unique killers by allowing power to reflect lore and cosmetics. Each Legion member would have their own stats and you don't even have to switch between each Legion if you want. The option would be there however.
You can no longer break pallets. Each Legion member has different vaulting speeds that are still faster than normally breaking a pallet, but someone like Joey can still be sorta looped.
I like the idea of switch while the match, but it's just the same everyone is gonna buy susie and equip frank's mixtape, and btw susie cost auric cells, so it would be a pay 2 win, but it's not a bad idea!, oh and I think of joey is just usseles, can you change joey? give him some love!
Susie and Joey would be avaliable to switch to even if you didn't buy them. You just wouldn't be able to start as them. None would be pay to win as each have their own weakness.
Strength in numbers, stronger as one.
Also the addons will be changed, so Franks will not do the same thing. I might change Joey's effects, but I'll have to see.
But that would be unfair to players who buy susie I know they can't start as susie but they can play as she..
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@Shad03 said:
Howdy there, mostly killer main here coming to talk to you about a potential fun fix for Legion. Since he is confirmed that he will be getting a rework soon™, I figured I should throw my mask in the ring and suggest something for a potential change.I've posted the meat of this idea into another one of my discussions, but this is to expand on the idea. I want actual feedback here people. We don't get better without it.
[I am well aware there is a little to no chance that my idea will be used, but I want to at least show what I can think of]
The Legion was advertised as a group of teens and Frank had been shown that, even if once, was able to fool survivors and hide his heartbeat. The trailer was misleading and the only thing dealing with The Legion's multi group function is the cosmetics. I want to change this.
I wish to keep the Legion's uniqueness and add it to his strength. For this, each Legion member will be present in the trial, with you controlling either of the four members (your power is affected by the body cosmetics you choose).
My idea would be that if you have the Joey cosmetic, you start off the trial as Joey, and can then switch between the other Legion members during the trial, who would be sitting in random locations within 64 meters or more from your current position. The Legion members will not attack survivors, but will have various uses which can be affected by add ons.
When I say sit, I mean they'll be able to be seen in idle animations, Susie could be sitting next to a locker while Joey will be leaning against a wall for example. Upon seeing a survivor they can do a few things based on what can be considered fair. I would like that they make a loud noise event, then run out of sight. Legion Members can be seen via different auras. Or just a red/yellow aura for the killer.
Each Legion member can be sorta unique in their own way, having different stats like different terror radius and movement. I will place my idea below on how unique they can be. Bear in mind to compare, I will use 100% as a baseline for something like vault speed.
Frank: He is the mastermind of the group, he knows how to get the job done quickly and efficiently. He vaults pallets at 75% speed. His terror radius is the standard 32 meters, and his movement speed is 115%. He cannot enter Feral Frenzy, though he has a 50% chance of activating killer instincts for 15 seconds upon hitting a survivor.
Julie: She follows Frank in whatever his endeavors are. She is slightly more agile, able to vault pallets at 85% speed. Her terror radius is at 24 meters and she moves at 113% movement speed. She cannot enter Feral Frenzy, however her attacks have a 55% chance of giving her killer instincts for 10 seconds.
Susie: She will follow Frank since she has no other choice. She is very agile due to her hidden bloodlust, her pallet vault speed is at 100%. Her terror radius is set at 8 meters, and she moves at 100% movement speed. She can enter Feral Frenzy which applies Deep Wounds and grants her the Killer Instinct. Hitting a survivor already afflicted with Deep Wounds stuns her.
Joey: He finds Frank as a friend and will trust him. He is not as agile as the others and vaults pallets at 50% speed. His terror radius is the standard 32 meters and his movement speed is 113%. He can enter Feral Franzy and can apply the Deep Wound effect. Hitting a survivor already afflicted with Deep Wounds will stun him. He of course gets the Killer Instinct when hitting a survivor with Feral Frenzy.
You can no longer break pallets and vaulting will be considered a blood point gain event that gives just as much as normally breaking a pallet. You only get blood points once per pallet you vault. Pallet vaulting of course is faster then breaking the pallet.
Of course I am aware of how complicated this can all be which is why it's only a idea. If I knew how to code then I would definitely beg to apply to BHVR so I could help
I am also aware that add ons need to change, and if you want I can give a few ideas about that. As for how you switch between Legion members, I guess you can use the activation button when facing a member, and to make it easier the selectable member would be marked in white. The transition could either be the burn effect placed when changing characters in the lobby, or a dynamic scene of the Legion running to that the other's place.
TL;DR:
I want the Legion to be one of the more Unique killers by allowing power to reflect lore and cosmetics. Each Legion member would have their own stats and you don't even have to switch between each Legion if you want. The option would be there however.
You can no longer break pallets. Each Legion member has different vaulting speeds that are still faster than normally breaking a pallet, but someone like Joey can still be sorta looped.
I like the idea of switch while the match, but it's just the same everyone is gonna buy susie and equip frank's mixtape, and btw susie cost auric cells, so it would be a pay 2 win, but it's not a bad idea!, oh and I think of joey is just usseles, can you change joey? give him some love!
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@Shad03 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/46481/my-official-legion-rework-idea#latestMight I humbly suggest looking at this? This is a idea I had and I want feedback. Give me everything you got in terms of positive or negative feedback.
Im gonna check it
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@mistressdiana said:
Is it just me or does anyone else remember how when Legion came out a lot of people were saying Legion was such a garbage killer and so easily beat but now Legion is so overpowered and broken and its not fun to play against? Pretty sure Legion hasn't changed that much since they came out so I wonder what happened hereYeah I remember when the ptb came out and everyone was saying legion is trash..
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@mintchapstick said:
@Arroz said:
Most legion players dont know how to use he's power, you need to hit everyone most of them just tunnel the survivor while using they powerYeah, it's a real shame that people don't know how to use Legion's power. Because when played right, he's good at two things: stalling generator progress, and crowd control. When people just tunnel or follow people around forever, it's annoying.
Also, I really have to address the frank's mix-tape issue. Everyone complains about it, because '3 hits = down!' and they seem to be ignoring that most killers are TWO hits and you're down, and then Hillbilly is ONE hit and you're down, and he's extra fast when he has his chainsaw going, but no one complains about that? How is a rare add-on that gives you 3 hits to down someone a 'big problem for the game' ?
*Ultrare addon, yeah i know hillbilly is a problem but it require skill to control the chainsaw (hillbilly insta chainsaw is op but i dont want to killer mains cry at this discussion so let's not talk about that pls), the problem it's of the other killer can't jump pallets or windows, and in frenzy mode he have more speed than survivors.
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@mintchapstick said:
@Peasant said:
@Arroz said:
@Steamtastic_Vagabond said:
Really, I’m sure less people would be complaining if Frank’s Mixtape was changed to do something else. Legion does require skill, less than other killers sure but still requires skill. Legion’s weakness is his difficulty to track survivors with scratch marks while frenzying, making it necessary to keep line of sight if you want to catch a survivor. If LOS is broken, that survivor’s gone.Legion dont require any skill, you will win the chase and you will friggin win the chase! you just need to wait to the power and hit the survivor (4 times or 3 with frank's mixtape) you can't loop legion because he can jump pallet the only counter to legion is pallet/window juke? (It rarely work) legion need a power rework
This is why Legion is both trash and treasure. You can tunnel the best survivor player and even with less skill than them you can always get them killed. However, when your average person tried to play Legion like a "normal killer" they usually come up short in terms of kills from what I've seen.
Tunneling & committing to chases is actually the worst way to play Legion, though, lmao. People who tunnel or spend a long time chasing down one person are ######### Legions. The best way to play Legion is to constantly switch targets to slow down gen progression by making multiple survivors have to stop working on gens to mend/heal & if they don't take the time to heal, then you just m1 them when you see them again.
Most legion players dont know how to use he's power, you need to hit everyone most of them just tunnel the survivor while using they power
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@Eveline said:
I played against the legion doing gens and not healing. Still won.The only counter to legion it's use iron will and not heal for dont waste time
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@Dragonic_Lycan said:
Back ground on me
Let's get this off first. I main the Legion and the spirit. I do not play characters based upon how strong they are. I play them based on game play or the backstory. I am also Rank 3 almost 1. I've made this account to discuss this.Why I play The Legion
I fell in love with the Legion when they got released. Personally I didn't care about power but I still thought it was amazing how they could jump over pallets and windows. I thought it was something new/fresh instead of "Break pallet". Plus I've personally always loved doing and seeing parkour so I felt a personal connection between me and them. I also thought Susie was kinda cute? Not sure why but that's the truth.How I feel about the Legion Currently
I see a lot of people saying "Oh legion is to powerful" others saying "the legion is super under powered". I have put a lot of time into legion but I have to admit there's times where I can't get a kill to save my life due to his power being almost non lethal. I understand on the survivors perspective this is really annoying to deal with because I make the game go on longer then it needs to. I understand on the Killers perspective because the legion is no where near viable for rank 1 use. But me personally with eyes unclouded by hatred. I feel like the legion is fine. The character is not "good" but I don't feel like they are the "worst". They are in the middle like the Doctor. (Sorry in advance all Doctor mains) I see the doctor of being Dominating lower tiers because people Don't know how to fight him but when they go into higher tiers he is weaker. I feel like this is applied to the Legion as well.About Franks Mix tape...
I Personally find his mix tape to be okay. I don't think it should be removed. It's a bit needed I believe it should be in his base kit but that may just be a Killer mains perspective coming out causing bias. I think it is as needed as Ruin near the higher ranks or Self care for survivors.Give me your opinion
I want to ask what all of you think but Killers be understanding to survivors. Survivors I ask you to be understanding to Killers.Im a survivor main.
I just dont hate legion i like her cosmetic! (i buyed the susie one), but it's so anooying to face a legion..
1.- you can't loop he can vault pallets/windows more fast than survivors..
2.- it's just so anooying to mend the whole game
3.- frank's mixtape personally for me is broken, because it dont requiere any skill to use he's power and they make a addon of down survivor in 3 hits + more speed? like #########
4.- he's power it's just stupid hit survivor for what? they are gonna mend and repair/heal.., he's power only work if him tunnel one survivor the whole game. -
Selfcare (obviously haha)