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@FeelsBadMan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020606#Comment_3020606
No I won't. It's simply not worth it. I am gonna save them for when I play in my SWF ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I would say that's fine, have fun being that one guy in solo queue with no flans, no exhaust perk, complaining about nurse. ¯\_(ツ)_/.
Edit: My ¯\_(ツ)_/ is missing his hand because he cut it off to spite himself.
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@TotemSeeker91 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020614#Comment_3020614
I know yeah, I was just saying, because I guess it was just an automatic thought because we're in this thread talking about BBQ and WGLF, lol
Not at all for me. I think there primary effects have value, BHVR just really dropped the ball on Perks + BP integration. Why only one perk for each side? Why not have every perk offer some BP incentives based on getting value out of it? So many missed opportunities to rewards players for utilizing multiple loadouts and playstyles. I would have rather them gone that route, but removing the bonuses from WGLF and BBQ was an acceptable nuclear option.
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@TotemSeeker91 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020316#Comment_3020316
Eh, BBQ second effect isn't terrible on killers that can find survivors fast like doc
Never said it was.
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@FeelsBadMan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020595#Comment_3020595
Its about the fact people like this killer bring the most 'tryhard' stuff and then continue to play like idiots (eg. this guy came back to EVERY hook) to ensure the survivors gain as little as possible while they will happily take the free extra bloodpoints from the survivors.
So are you just going to never play flans? Because that sounds like pretty normal gameplay even when an event is not going on, according to all the complaining on the forums.
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@FeelsBadMan said:
Blood Hunt started and stupid me thought "hey, lets bring a cake in soloq"
1st game:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/D398FDMZQWM4/1.png
Never again :)
You got more than your values worth out of that flan - so I can only assume you're being vindictive. Again.
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Makes you wonder just how rough so many killers have it if some survivors truly have such abysmal escape rates.
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020316#Comment_3020316
Here's the maths people 'can't do' that shows why this change is primarily a negative for new players joining the game:
Yeah, I disagree with large portions of that, especially the conclusion. There are justifications for removing the bonuses. No perk should be mandatory because it had a bonus. You will also start seeing profit from the new system much earlier than you conclude (You wrote hundreds, maybe even thousands of hours. So I am assuming you mean 600+ hours. You're going to see gains before then). And this is all still assuming that everyone was grinding with these perks being mandatory, and we know that's not true. Not everyone is using them.
What you are talking about is optimally grinding to get one functional character, and at the end of the day you may be right on that one - but that doesn't change the total reduction, which you've already noted, and it doesn't change that it's functionally a better system with more upsides. If I P1 4 characters with meta perks, on either side, I can functionally play every survivor or killer after minimal investment. You just can't do that right now. Especially killers, who have perk divergences. With the new system maybe you P1 5-6 killers instead for a much healthier perk roster than you could ever get with the same investment currently.
Edit: You commented on some of the killer nuances, but lets be honest you wrote a really large post and these are working hours, so I did my best to scour your thread for the arguments that directly contradict mine.
One more Edit because I have no self control: In your worst case scenario, where a new player doesn't benefit from this system to the same extent an older player does, that only applies if the player IMMEDIATELY stops playing the game after reaching that breakpoint. Let's all hope that these players will continue to play, and the new system will encourage that.
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@BrokenSouI said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3014501#Comment_3014501
Thanks ! The shack play was 100 % a timing play. That comes from playing nurse myself. I read her corner blink. I knew how long it would take.
I feel like when people struggle, and say things like breaking LOS doesn't work. They probably play her like I did at the EGC. I took my eyes off her and didn't read what they were about to do. Even though she had her whole body turned and was looking for a prediction blink. I would of been safe at the corner but kept going
I watched your entire video, and I found your plays were good sometimes and sometimes the Nurse definitely played poorly, but there's something else more interesting here that I'd like to highlight:
- That ######### was off you for maybe 15 seconds and every time that happened she either scored a hit or a down. Laura never lasted more than 5 blinks. Even if that IS a bad nurse, like others were griping on the other thread, it is clear that many survivors, survivors who could otherwise loop trapper or other M1 killers easily, get absolutely spanked in situations where you didn't. And it's clear here that it's not because the Nurse is good, it's because they refuse to improve/play as her/practice against her
I still believe you can take that mindset all the way up to the best Nurses and continue to improve against them, but seeing it so distinctly against a poor Nurse makes it easier to understand why there are so many survivor mains just absolutely losing their mind over her in the forums.
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@FrenchBagels said:
I know it’s pretty niche, but honestly ever since we got Nemesis I always wondered if we could get a chapter dedicated to the zombies gamemode from Treyarch COD. Specifically Black Ops. Nemmy really didn’t satisfy much and even with Project W as a thing, I’m getting sick of RE.
I personally think there’s huge potential for it. Honestly, it’s a decently large property with a lot of name recognition. Plus, the amount of content to work off of is immense.
BHVR could add maps from any game and it’ll stick. Kino Der Toten is a safe bet for a map, followed by Nacht, Verruckt, Der Riese, Ascension, and Buried. You could get a lil’ wacky and try SoE, Origins, Die Rise, and Mob as a map. Killers could be Brutus from Mob, Avogadro from Alpha/Omega (not Tranzit), and Panzer from Origins. I personally want George Romero but that’s obviously never gonna happen. Survivor could just be Richtofen and that’s it. Literally shouldn’t be anyone else especially after the end of Blood of the Dead fits so well.
If BHVR worked with Activision-blizzard I would drop them like a bad habit. Additionally, they have huge resource issues with their current zombies. It's safe to say they will not be doing anything similar in the future without massive server upgrades/coding improvements.
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@fcb said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/330371/muerte-al-chungo-nurse-con-noqueo-god
translation:
why kill dead hard? It was literally a last alternative to escape victorious when you were about to go down. it is one of the changes that affect survivors the most. While it now gives 1 second endurance effect, what happens to those who play with high ping, how do you calculate 1 second? That makes the perk useless, plus killers can now break things faster, and the speed boost upon being hit has been reduced.
Knock Out: now all nurse players will enter the game and in 30 seconds they will leave everyone on the ground. You don't even have dead hard to give you a bit of hope. They have really destroyed the game. Let's see how long their changes last.
I certainly do not have the expertise to communicate hit-validation in Spanish, or even English lol - so that's the end of the line for me.
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@Zexbunny said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020316#Comment_3020316
And how would that change if the bonuses were made basekit?
The bonuses do not need to be made basekit. Item economy/scarcity can and should still exist, BHVR does not need us running iri's every single game unless we're seriously investing all of our BPs into one character to pull that off. That would be poor design and if they wanted no item economy, they would've given us addons for free every game.
@thrawn3054 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020316#Comment_3020316
I agree it was ridiculous we needed to run them. However they didn't address the core reason why many people ran them. These changes are good for completionists and leaves the rest of us high and dry.
Going to have to disagree, I believe once people see it live they will change their tune.
EDIT: Just a post thought about the worst case scenario. BRAND NEW PLAYER. Needs at least 4 perks, sourced from several characters. Let's say Bill, David, Jake, and Meg.
- Current way, level them to 30-40 for the single/additional perks they want and then on every single character they wish to play they need to start fishing, with that work being erased if they choose to prestige
- New way, spend the difference to get them to P1. No fishing but a few more blood webs after that per character. Sheer profit.
EDIT 2: Yes, I realize that a new player would have to do less fishing than a more established player, but there shouldn't be any argument that an established player benefits from the new system.
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@DootLord said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020153#Comment_3020153
All feedback being valid is dangerous. Wouldn't the top players have the best say?
The top players display the same amount of bias as the rest of the community. Otz is generally very level-headed but even he is not immune.
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@Diegosonic89 said:
La muerte del chungo que, linteralmente, era una última alternativa de salir victorioso de una situación cuando estabas a punto de caer es uno de los cambios que más afectan a los survs. SI bien ahora da efecto de resistente de 1 segundo, ¿qué sucede con lo que juegan con ping alto? ¿Cómo calculás 1 segundo? Eso hace inservible a la perk, sumado a que ahora los killers pueden rompear las cosas más rápido, y que el tiempo de sprint del golpe ha sido reducido.
Noqueo: ahora las nurse entrarán en partida y en 30 segundos dejarán a todos en el suelo. Ni siquiera tenés chungo para dar un poco de esperanza. Realmente han destruído el juego. A ver cuánto duran sus cambios.
😥
My Spanish is awful, but - Nurses don't need knockout to slug people. They just need survivors willing to group up.
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@thrawn3054 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020225#Comment_3020225
I assume they're referring to the BBQ and Wglf nerfs. Those are going to hurt alot. Especially if you were leveling for addons and items and not perks.
I get that, but it's largely irrelevant.
- Not everyone runs those perks every game
- No-one is getting maximum value out of those perks every single game
- The grind can and will be shorter for everyone. Those who can't envision it or do the math really should stick around until the update is live so they can see for themselves
Edit: Here's another thought. THE IDEA THAT WE FELT COMPELLED TO RUN THOSE PERKS WAS ASSANINE. I'm glad their bonuses are removed, I want to feel like I have 4 perk slots.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020229#Comment_3020229
I miss pre-nerf Slinger. He felt so good. Why did BHVR have to go and ruin the feel of a character. :(
All they had to do was slow his ADS by like .10-.15 and give him a 1.5-2.5 second scoping lockout. I'm still absolutely flabbergasted by their decision with him.
Edit: An Entity powered killing machine should be able to shoulder their rifle faster than my white-collar, hobbyist only fat-ass shoulders my .22 rifle. Holy crap.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020222#Comment_3020222
Thats... what i said. You unlock the perks on level 1 but you would still need to pump bloodwebs to get a higher level.
Which is a fraction of the normal work, struggling just to get the perk to pop up. If you need DH, for example, it could come up after 50+ bloodwebs. Now that won't be the case, as it's already in your repertoire and you only need it twice more.
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@[Deleted User] said:
Deathslinger definitely benefits a TON from the DH rework, as it countered him really hard beforehand but now it's basically useless.
Almost makes me want to play him again, except for the fact that he's still the clunkiest character in existence post nerf.
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@Omputin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020215#Comment_3020215
That's will take twice as long after this change goes live.
Not seeing it.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3020215#Comment_3020215
On level 1. If you want a higher level, you need to prestige the origin char or the char you want to have the perk on.
Why? You can just find the perks in the bloodweb after that. No additional prestige necessary.
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That's not how it works. You only have to reach prestige 1 to get everything you need on all characters.
Edit: You're also dismissing queue incentives. Also, start playing your flans and if there are any perk deficits on your roster you can have them sealed completely before the change is live.
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It needed the nerf. I would've preferred they just fix the lack of breathing noise and no-sounds when in the dying state, but I'll take this. The perk was too good in literally all situations without any effort from the survivor.
It's still going to get considerable value for the people who run it.
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@Devilishly_Rowdy said:
Even Otzdarva has said that the new Dead Hard will be stronger in a lot of scenarios, like just pressing E before vaulting or putting down a pallet, guaranteeing a free escape along with a speed boost. That's why we're not seeing survivor mains crying about the Dead Hard nerf because it is actually better in some ways now. It's so hilarious that the devs completely destroyed killer meta perks, but the no.1 most used survivor perk still stays strong. No amount of extra bp rewards is gonna convince people to play killer if this unfairness continues lol.
That's not what he said. That's not what he said at all and you do the entire forum a disservice by blatantly cherry picking without context.
For those that don't know, Otz said he needs to see how it plays out and actually works before he makes a final decision, because he did not understand how several situations will play out.
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@Krazzik said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3019963#Comment_3019963
I still don't like Nurse 😡
Not the response I was expecting or even consider relevant but sure. You do you.
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@Krazzik said:
I don't agree. If you bring Corrupt Intervention, Thana and Pain Res for example, that is always going to give a lot of extra time for the killer with barely any extra-effort on their part. Heck if I am literally afk Corrupt will still give me extra time, and if I just play the game normally the others give a lot of time too. I don't think there is anything wrong with this, but you're overestimating how hard it is to get value out of these perks.
And no, they don't give value for free, but they give value for literally playing the game normally, you don't need to do anything special, you don't need to alter your play specifically to get use out of them, you just play the game normally. Pain Res you could argue you at least have to go to scourge hooks but that's hardly changing your playstyle.
And again, we must be getting different survivors. I would say like two thirds of my games with NOED only get upto one additional down from NOED.
Just to point out, you are literally getting different survivors. This is obvious in the grand scheme of things because survivors with the capacity to handle NoED will not come to the forum making NoED threads.
That's the unfortunate disconnect, trying to explain counterplay to those who don't really want counterplay, they want gutted gameplay for the other side.
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@BrokenSouI said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3019773#Comment_3019773
It's not just nurse though. Blight can now catch up 2 seconds sooner. Huntress has a better shot 2 seconds sooner. Spirits phase is now nore effectiv, etc
Deathslinger Redeemer after DS, Trickster too.
But it always comes back to Nurse.
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People really be saying there's not enough time to do bones with a straight face still. 5 Gens being completed in 4 minutes but nooooo bones are too much.
This is why they increased gen time instead of giving survivors a second objective. Because all it takes is half a brain or Derectives Hunch and NoEd will literally never get value in a match survivors are winning - but that's asking too much.
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You're all thinking small potatoes.
I'm using that ######### for the Left4Dead achievement.
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@Anthony15 said:
Now before I say anything, no I don't rage quit it's just my internet is not good and I don't have the money to get a better internet but if you want believe then it's whatever. So anyways I think the dc penalties should be removed or just only have 5 minutes because it's really ridiculous that for people that has internet issues are getting pu ished for it and they can't play the game because of it.
It doesn't just punish you. Your poor internet punishes the other players.
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@Ayamir said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3016811#Comment_3016811
Here you go guys we have the typical Nurse main answer it's funny how they're all so predictable...
just see by yourself.
Yes, yes. So predictable. Just genuinely concerned for you that last post was pretty rough.
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@Ayamir said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3016722#Comment_3016722
Please don't @ me if you're not going to say something interesting or relevant to the current topic.
I am doing great,thanks you kind sir.
Feel free to not respond if you miss the point, I'm not going to be holding back my @ing.
Glad you're okay. Get some fresh air, pop a bag of cheetos, understand that BHVR isn't going to lick survivor's boots this time around but there will most likely be additional tuning down the road so no worries!
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Seeing more legion and plague would not be a bad thing.
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@pharos said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3015372#Comment_3015372
If you can activate,DH that might be more effective.
The problem I'm talking about is that the Nurse can knock you down before it blinks animation show on ur sight,
Do u understand what my picture above telling u?
I understand you have latency, based on the above pictures. Nurse's blink has plenty of queues you can use to time your DH.
And yes, you can activate DH in time. It's frequently touted as the only thing holding nurse back in every 'Nerf DH' thread in existence. So clearly, there is a consensus that it works.
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@pharos said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3015312#Comment_3015312
You know what, DH only had a 20% success rate against my old rival Top Nurse on the server. U couldn't activate DH before their blink animation showing to u. See my picture above
Point? It's arguably more effective against Nurse now, I'm just holding that opinion until I see some PTB results.
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@pharos said:
Dev seems to forget they have an out-of-spec killer called Nurse
Think what the future holds, u will play against Nurse with Jolt without cooldown + Soopy butcher + Thanatophobia and other fantasy perks , and u need 90s to do a gen basicly , once u get hit u need 45S to selfcare. Otherwise, the next time the nurse sees you, you're basically waiting to lie down.
Nurse can fly through all the map ,hit one surv and then back to the hook repeatedly. No one can unhook and the gens can not fix .
This is the biggest problem of the game
You only need 45 seconds to self-care, if you choose to use self-care. DH remains effective against Nurse, and it is likely that their statement in the notes that kill rates were too low applied to Nurse as well. Especially given information they've realized in the past about kill rates.
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@Babadook83 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3015234#Comment_3015234
if that's the case like nobody will ever run self care again. can you imagine 45 seconds borefest to heal yourself? even with botany knowledge it will still feel super slow. horrible nerf
You underestimate how desperate some players are to keep themselves healed.
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Needed change. Look at what Spine Chill does to killers like Deathslinger. Survivors wanted more chases now they're getting more chases.
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@Gorgonia said:
I play solo q, it's the only thing I do in DBD nowadays... I use spine chill, iron will and BT... Spine Chill helps me with awareness and information that I don't have as a solo player. Iron Will helps me with chases or to do things while hurt when you are a solo player and you don't want to take Self Care with you. BT helps me save other solo people or SWF with an impression of safety. The first two have now been destroyed. I guess it's just quitting for me since my friends got tired of this game long ago...
You can always find new friends on the forum and/or experiment with new perks and playstyles. You know, rather than doomsday prophesying before you even get a chance to test out the update.
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@JeanCharpentier said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3015036#Comment_3015036
Exactly, High MMR is full of those players. It will be horrible... once again.
Killer mains did not like it, they will hate it even more now.
Funny, devs wanted to break the META perks, they have reinforced this one that will be in every kit now.
Those players don't exist. Survivor's that use DH with perfect timing for a non-lunge, on their butt killer, were using a script that timed the execution of DH. They will continue to use it this way, but every other use case will improve for killers.
That is acceptable for now.
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@Aneurysm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3014633#Comment_3014633
That'd be worth it just to see people who always argue attempt to cooperate
I've been recommending it forever. SWF it up. Play to win and show BHVR more accurate statistics so BHVR can balance more accordingly.
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@ArborTime said:
While it was always a high usage perk, no one brings it at the top level because it wastes way too much time to heal off of it. Now, new survivors will be spending around 40-45 seconds healing.
Solo survivor is a pain as it is, I don't want more reason for my teammates to do nothing all match.
It was brought at top level, all the time. The devs mentioned this in the update.
Edit: I'm late to the party, clearly, I just have a knee-jerk reactionist attitude when I see falsehoods that could be corrected by reading. I should have read. I am the hypocrite I so often point out.
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Both sides are going to have to accept that their meta may not be meta anymore. This means looking at perk choices and trying out/picking new things. Spine Chill's vault speed was QUITE strong.
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@StarLost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3014479#Comment_3014479
The issue is more that the strong campers can both instadown or rapidly mow down the rescuer while also drilling through the endurance effect. Bubba's multi-hit, Trickster's knives are my immediate concern.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3014668#Comment_3014668
I'd be happy to see rescue grabs completely done away with too.
Basekit endurance off hook comes with a haste effect now, which I am assuming is at least additive with being hit. I'm pretty sure in the new scenario the hasted survivor will actually be able to outrun bubba chainsaw after the first one ticks their endurance off.
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@Mewishis said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3014566#Comment_3014566
"Basic M1 Killers without meta perks are buffed, while strong power based Killers that were running high slowdown are basically the same because the buffs/nerfs cancel out."
They are saying that killers got all buffs and basically the killer meta is basically the same, when in reality most of the issue perks and slowdowns got nerfed or counters added to them the only perks that can be seen as true buffs/nerfs cancel outs are overcharge and off the record, overcharge being the new go-to slowdown perk and off the record is the new ds annoy killer perk. If you don't get them specifically saying one side got off better as them creating us vs them argument then I don't know what to tell you.
You're literally ignoring his first sentence.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3014597#Comment_3014597
This is a thread to discuss DS changes, not to celebrate your biased opinion. Make your own thread for that.
No. You brought up DS and I shared my opinion on the change. Keep breathing.
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Very tasty.
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@Nefer90 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2989742#Comment_2989742
Thanks for the explanation. Looking down Is a really hard and forecastable condition to do the hug tech. Oh yeah,Blight has 4.6 mov Speed which Is the highest in the game. So if he fails hugging the Wall he gets you anyway. About DH: you probably can't read i suppose since the other guy introduce the DH "issue" going off topic. Check Better Brother 👍
Oh. Neither DH Will never be changed. Enjoy.
I don't normally necro threads, but, come again?:
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@Mewishis said:
That is very exaggerated, but I suppose you can say that and make this whole thing into us vs them pretending that one side got more love than the other.
OP made no effort to distinguish an 'us vs them' argument out of the forthcoming update. Read it again.
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@[Deleted User] said:
Does this mean below 2K?
Presumably but we can't really confirm or deny, unfortunately.
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@Tsulan said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/KFNQQHQ17AV0/futurama-philip-fry.gif
Of course the kill rates are low. The current event should make this more than obvious to anyone.
And people called me a biased killer main, who should stream 24/7, just to prove, that i don´t hand select screenshots of my high escape rates...
I just love how this interacts with the frequent dismissal of Nurse's kill rate when people argue to nerf her :)
@DrDeepwound said:
I wonder if kill rates dipped down below 50%, like 43% or something. They did not provide stats on kill rates so it could very well have fallen too low for their liking.
I would love to know the number too, but for now I'll accept the notes.
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@Megmain80 said:
Massive update in the killer”s favor. The nerfed perks on killer side are hardly nerfs, while survivor perks get hard nerfed. Killer perk improvements are very good, while survivor perks changes are so-so at best. They really do hate survivors.
Anyone complaining about a single item and not seeing the forest through the trees is going to be in for a bad time.