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@The_Crusader said:
But survivors don't do gens that's the issue. Because either they feel bad about letting someone die on their first hook, or they don't want tk be oenalized for points.So the killer walks away from the hook a little bit to bait the survviors to unhook, they do it, then the killer runs backto catch the unhooked survivor becore they can get away.
Don't give me this garbage about "rush gens" because you have absolutely ZERO control over what other survivors do. Hence ehy I said it's only worth playing in SWF. Plus there's the fact that its just boring.
And its hard to tell how good the survivor is at looping because they only get 1 chance at it. After the first hook the killer will never let them get away.
Its a garbage toxic playstyle and its about time people that only played killer stopped making excuses for it. Especially given how much you all complain about how survivors play.
So you want the killer player to get punished, because your teammates male bad plays?
How much "fun" would that be for the killer player?
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@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.
You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.
Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
Oh who would have guessed that?
A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
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@grisstyl said:
Perhaps Vigil could be tweaked so that you also recover Exhaustion while running? It might be a good tradeoff since the survivor will have one less perk slot.Are we talking about "while running" or "during a chase"?
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@HellDescent said:
Insidious Leatherface with noed is the answer. Bubba will chainsaw right through your bt buff.I don't think so... why should he? BT always ignored "insta downs".
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It's always a cheap excuse.
"BT is only a problem if you camp."
And of course ignoring any hook rushs or legit situations where camping would be logical. -
@The_Crusader said:
. That's not how videogamed are designed.
Welcome to Dead by daylight.
Any other game would balance the game top down.
That's how videogames are designed.
DbD ist the only videogame I know that balance for low ranks. -
@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
To be fair OP has a point.
The hide in lockers was a mechanic against the Doctor. It was part of the design. Now it's removed because....?
Makes little sense.
It is not "removed", the killer got a perk to counter it, just like survivor got Calm Spirit buffed.
Calm Spirit counters the mechanic of the Doctor, so this is only fair.
But barely anyone takes calm spirit because its useless against most killers
Meanwhile most Docs are gonna want this.
So a counter on survivor side is garbage?
But a counter on killer side is overpowered?
Ok, totally Gotcha.doublestandards
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@The_Crusader said:
To be fair OP has a point.The hide in lockers was a mechanic against the Doctor. It was part of the design. Now it's removed because....?
Makes little sense.
It is not "removed", the killer got a perk to counter it, just like survivor got Calm Spirit buffed.
Calm Spirit counters the mechanic of the Doctor, so this is only fair. -
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@Vietfox said:
Wolf74 said:@Vietfox said:
I'm just gonna leave this here:
So you wanna show us some laggy play and ask for a survivor buff to "fix" it?
Sounds totallly legit.
Lol dude, what? Show me when i asked for a buff because of this. (unless dedicated servers means a buff to survivors to you)
Every time a killer lands a hit cause of lag/latency issues, survivor mains ask for "fixes".
Usually they call for smaller attackcones or smaller hitboxes, anything to make killer hits more difficult just to make up for a very few visually bad hits, that are not the fault of the hitboxes, but the latency/lag. -
@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
@Wolf74
That's the thing. Nobody would be sneaking around because they don't know if they're wasting time.
Currently (disregarding the obsession) you would only know someone is being chased IF they are HIT, which means that they maybe have already looped the killer for the longest time and you SHOULD have been doing Gens OR they are SWF's.We know for a fact that the developers do not want to buff killers, while we do. That's because we want killers to be able to win against SWF-type of gameplay while the Devs want Solo survivors to stand a decent chance at winning against killers at all ranks.
If we celebrate keeping Solo survivors down by not giving them tools SWF's have for free then it's hard to ever move to balance.
If this mechanic was implemented and people started understanding how to use it, then there would be more sneaking around, as you know nobodies cover has been broken anyway yet. No reason to be rushing when the clock isn't ticking yet.
The problem is, we get solos closer to SWFs, but killer don't get the needed buffs for that.
Look at it, the last patches we really did 2 steps forward and only 1 step back towards balance.
But what's next? Look at the PTB. No step forward for the killer, but to steps back, because of all the survivor buffs. Again! -
People overestimate the tracking of the static field. The victims only scream once in a while and NC works in any mode.
But after some time with Distressing up and running they just heal wherever, because they can't judge if the Doc is really near or not.
And you can see them trying to snap out and interrupt it to keep them in madness 3.
So you see them while you chase other and can switch targets and keep the pressure.
It helped me a lot and I think any Doc not using it, is doing it wrong. -
@Peanits said:
It's not really about hiding SWF groups (you already can't really tell, sometimes survivors just pop into a lobby all at once even if they're not playing together), it's because the way matchmaking works is being fundamentally changed.If it is NOT about hiding SWFs, why don't we get an indicator who is playing SWF?
@Peanits said:
But if you ask me, it's high time some people just learn to play against them. SWF has a stigma of some boogeyman that can't be stopped, but in reality they're very predictable and easy to defeat. The 'sweaty tryhard' teams are incredibly rare, contrary to popular belief. The vast majority of groups are just a couple of buddies hanging out and playing the game- or even total strangers who grouped up with each other on the Discord-, not a co-ordinated e-sports team.
So you want to tell us that SWF on voice com is NOT a huge advantage that is borderline cheating worth like 4-5 extra perks for free?
And you want to support keeping the advantages of it, because "most are just casuals", despite it has a big potential to get abused by "higher skilled teams"?Still supporting balance around mediocre player and keep the player that are good anyway with a big force multiplier.
And defending it with social memes of killer needing to get good.There are even tons of steam groups to find teammates for DbD that do not show up in the friend list and go on discord anyway.
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
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@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
Actually that's incorrect …
Stopped reading right here, because this goes your usual route of "I know it all-you are wrong-it's a fact".
The usual I don't like what you said so I'm just going to ignore you routine, you completely ignored all valid points I made just because you couldn't counter them. As I said the smart killers use it to their advantage while the other ones don't.
As I noticed after Crusader mentioned you on that, you don't even know how it works, but call others "wrong"..
Stop making up your own world. If you don't know jack, just don't give bad advice. -
@Alistar2013 said:
Please explain how it would be a HUUUUUUUUGE buff. I don't see how it is.
Are you kidding me? Read the opening post. That's what this whole idea is about.
You KNOW when the killer is chasing someone else and you can move and act freely.
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@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Its definitely working when you're not looking at each other too. I used ir for the adept laurie achievement and many times saw the killer in a chase and they almost had their back to me.
I assume it's not quite 100% accurate on when you're looking at each other.
You are right.
"If you are looking in the Killer's direction, your link will reveal your Auras IconHelp auras.png to each other.
This effect applies only if you are outside of the Killer's Terror Radius. "
Oh wow you're right.
I always assumed we had to be looking at each other but that it was just a bit glitchy. Damn, they really can see your back though.
Not to mention that sole survivor is sometimes run with this so killing off one of their friends first actually gives these twerps a little bit of protection.
That's the whole point about it. If you see the killer looking your way, just turn away from him. It's like playing Slenderman. That was the original intend of the perk, but SWF are abusing it and trolls use it to get attention.
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@The_Crusader said:
Its definitely working when you're not looking at each other too. I used ir for the adept laurie achievement and many times saw the killer in a chase and they almost had their back to me.I assume it's not quite 100% accurate on when you're looking at each other.
You are right of course, bats doesn't seem to know how the perk works, but give advice on it anyway.
"If you are looking in the Killer's direction, your link will reveal your Auras to each other.This effect applies only if you are outside of the Killer's Terror Radius. "
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
Actually that's incorrect …
Stopped reading right here, because this goes your usual route of "I know it all-you are wrong-it's a fact".
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Don't jump the bandwagon and try to slap the new status effect on every killer.
We are talking beartraps that snap at your legs, right?
Why doesn't they all apply hindered without any add ons needed until fully healed?
That would give the killer more dangerous if he can start a chase after the guy escaped the trap.
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That crap is already a thing with the obsession.
If the obsession is chased, the spiderlegs are wiggling.
You want that for ALL survivor, which would be a huuuuge buff.
But at the moment the Devs are all up for it, after some decent buffs to killer with only mediocre buffs to survivor in return we stepped a good way towards balance. But the new PTB is already swinging back hard with major killer nerfs incoming and NO survivor nerfs to "balance things out". -
@George_Soros said:
ClementineS4 said:Why is it that killer gets 4 perks, bloodlust, and the basement? What does the survivor get? Just 4 perks, I’m trying not to complain but we need some nerfs/buffs
Survivors can get the basement too you know.
You think people still remember the "The killer can loop the survivor" meme?^^
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@Vietfox said:
I'm just gonna leave this here:So you wanna show us some laggy play and ask for a survivor buff to "fix" it?
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@Star99er said:
Distressing, Unnerving Presence, Iron Maiden, and Ruin. 😨I would not switch out NC and Overcharge for that.
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@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
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The pallet distribution change removed like 1 or 2 pallets from those maps that hat a huge amount of pallets and added 2-4 pallets all maps that few pallets.
Overall the number of pallets got buffed, but still some survivor only player believe in the myth of pallet reduction that happend some time in the past. -
@strikingearth26 said:
you're the one claiming there are 20 + pallets every map, why not go and count them yourself in your next game, there is no where near 20 on any map. some maps do have more than others, but there are some maps with only 6-7 pallets on whole map!I like it how some people destroy their own credibility.^^
That safes me some time. :P -
Plz tell me this is bait.
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that's why I tunnel and camp every troll using OoO.
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I just watched 2 videos from that guy and for sure I won't give that toxic sh*thead not any more views.
In one video he alone threw down 16 pallets and in the other 14 and there had been some more that have been seen still upright, not counting any pallets the rest of the team might have used.
So can we plz agree that this douchbag isn't NOT confirming your point?And btw streamer like this should get banned for good.
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@strikingearth26 said:
this streamer. go through his videos and find pallet peggy, (or on his youtube channel )Don't be lazy. I am not the one that has to go through his streams. Search it for yourself and show it if you want to proof anything.
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@strikingearth26 said:
I watch a streamer who made a character out of one of the survivors, one being "pallet peggy" aim of the game is to drop every pallet on the map, some maps have less than 10 pallets, others have around 14-15. never more than 15 though. just an FYI.Show a source for that.
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Maybe the survivor in the killer match before have been toxic scumbags that really p*ssed him off.
Happens all the time. Go thank the rest of the toxic community for that. -
@Eninya said:
Cause finding people wasn't easy enough on him. Now his supposed counter can be completely shut down. lolMy perk selection on Doc is pretty much set and done… no room to fit in another perk.
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@SiftHeadsDude said:
I know this might generate comments such as “git gud” and such haha, but playing as a survivor gets you so much less than a killer. Surviving and doing good nets you like 15k max, dying and doing good about 10k. Doing bad still less. Being a bad killer gets you at least 20k though and it keeps going up if you do good. I feel playing as a survivor is such a chore if you want to get serious bloodpoints, it makes more sense to just spam play the killer. I feel they should increase/add a reward for straight up finishing the game, or split it between completing the game and the struggle phase (to discourage intentional suicides)...thoughts?If killer is so great and gives so many easy bloodpoints… feel free to play killer.
What is holding you back?
Just do it.
And don't forget to come back to the forum and share your experience with us. -
So you loop the killer with BL, heal if you escape and DS him… and you still wonder why you get hardcamped?
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But he can't jump into the next trial, because he has to wait for his SWF buddies. :P
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I like if people point out their lack of game knowledge when they say thinks like "Freddys insane reach is longer than any other killers lunge".
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@Master I try to get that point across for almost 2 years now. No chance. Survivor are completely blind to their own flawed logics.
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You are aware that most killer have the same attack range depending on their speed?
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@OrionsFury4789 said:
Wolf74 said:@Ryuhi Ofc I can only see things that happen on my end. But when I play survivor I have those "bad hits" not happen to me often. I won't say "never", but very very rare. On the other hand, when I play killer, it happens a lot more often. Swings that should have connected do not result in a hit or get caught on corners.
And toxic survivor tell me that it was their "skill" and I am "just bad".
You don’t see it because you don’t play survivor very much it’s actually a pretty big issue , and I’m not trying to argue but can just tell by the way you worded your post that you are more killer sided and play that more.
I never tried to hide that I am a killer main, but I actually do play a fair share of survivor, so I am not as biased as you would like me be.
I know it is easier to dismiss my opinion by saying "oh you NEVER play survivor", but that's not true… bad luck.
I know how unbalanced survivor are. I play solo survivor all the time and my escape rate declined after the latest killer buffs, but in general I only die with bad teammates. If everyone is doing his job half way decent, 3 people will escape. -
@Dreamnomad said:
@Wolf74 said:
@Dreamnomad said:
@Wolf74 said:
Let's talk about the most used survivor perks:
What's the drawback of SC, SB, DS, BT??
Okay, I'll bite. Self care heals twice as slow. Sprint Burst only lasts a few seconds and requires walking around the map to avoid triggering it. Decisive Strike requires completing a difficult skill check or does nothing at all and can only be used once per game. Borrowed Time does nothing at all for the player running the perk.
Every perk in the game has an opportunity cost as well. For killers and survivors. If I'm running Self Care, Sprint Burst, Decisive Strike and Borrowed Time guess what I'm not running? Literally every other perk! That means I'm not running Small Game to find Ruin or whatever hex perk the killer maybe running or ensuring NOED doesn't come online. That means I'm not running the various stealth perks like Calm Spirit, Iron Will, Urban Evasion, etc to avoid being found in the first place. That means I'm not running WGLF for the bonus blood points. Etc, etc, etc.
SC has NO drawback. Because it uses up 32 seconds of the survivors time. Without SC it would take 2 survivor healing for 16 seconds. That basically the same, with the bonus that you do not need to search for and find a teammate. So no drawback there, just because of the time is needs.
SB, ok, the walking everywhere to keep it is kind of a drawback, but otherwise you do not leave scratchmarks, so that is a pretty small drawback.
DS has NO drawback, just a "requirement", maybe call it a risk, but is not qualified as a "drawback".
BT also NO drawback, because you know in advance that you pick perks like BT or Well make it to support your team, because a living team is helpful for MY escape.So no, still No Mither is the only survivor perk with a drawback. So that is not a core principle about perks. Perks are just meant to be straight advantages.
I like how you admit that Sprint Burst (btw, just type out the perk names. Don't be lazy) has a "small" drawback and then immediately discount it at the end. It is not a small drawback. Play a survivor and don't run unless the killer is chasing you. Then come back and say it is a small drawback. It is a substantial draw back.
Taking perks that don't benefit the player using them is of course a drawback. I could have taken a perk that increased my survivability, but instead chose to take a perk that might help a team mate. Maybe, just maybe, saving a team mate who in turn helps me escape is beneficial to me in an abstract sort of way. Of course maybe that same team mate trains the killer onto me getting me killed too. But I could have taken a perk that definitely helped me instead. The opportunity cost is substantial.
BTW, don't try to misunderstand the point I'm making. I'm playing the role of devil's advocate here. I'm by no stretch suggesting that any of these perks need buffed or are garbage. I'm simply arguing the point that they do have some drawbacks.
About SB (Yes, I keep using the short version), I use it all the time and guess what? I walk most of the time, because I want to stay stealth as often as possible. I only use SB when the killer found me or Alert shows me the killer far away. That's why I call it a very small drawback.
I don't blame you playing the "devils advocate" here, but in general perks should just be straight up advantages and should only have a drawback if their effect is very strong.
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@Orion said:
Changes to the Legion will not fix the problem. Deep Wound is what needs fixing.
Especially if they turn BT into Deep Wounds.
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@Ryuhi Ofc I can only see things that happen on my end. But when I play survivor I have those "bad hits" not happen to me often. I won't say "never", but very very rare. On the other hand, when I play killer, it happens a lot more often. Swings that should have connected do not result in a hit or get caught on corners.
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This goes both way, killer get a lot of swings that don't connect, despite they seriously looked like they should.
So that is NOT a survivor issue.
Lag/latency is bad on both sides.Watch the following video. Skip to about 42 mins in and you can see what the player's hitboxes actually look like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56aSD99gmTIThat might explain some stuff to you.
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@G4rr3tt said:
I mean, bbq and chili can be punished by having survivors hiding in lockers? here let me give you an ez tip, run iron maiden, gives you a free exposed effect on whoever who runs into a locker and their location for 4 seconds, they "nerfed" to give a buff, tho i dont see the "nerf" was needed honestly, but it's not much of a change thinking about the new perk that's getting introduced so... say what again?Are you serious with that "what again"?
Are you aware that we have only 4 perk slots?
And there are already to many "must haves" for killer.
Killer always need perks to "counter" certain stuff, while survivor get their counter without the need of perks.
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BBQ nerfed, BT buffed. So we killer should do the right thing and just hard camp every sucker we get and ask them later if they enjoyed it.
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@Aaron10 said:
@Master said:
@Aaron10 said:
I just died because of a trapper swung at me as I dropped a pallet on him, he got stunned but ######### is the point of a pallet if he can just phase through it and hit me and I get downed and die after completing all generators. There's so much bs that goes on in this game it's immeasurable. It's so killer favored nowadays, I can't enjoy playing as a survivor anymore. There should be just a good a chance of me escaping as there is for the killer to sacrifice all survivors. So please fix your game or I won't be playing it anymore. Plain and simples, fix it or loose it. If you'd like to hear more of the unfair bs that goes on in your game ask me I can tell you everything that's wrong with it. Thank you. Have a great day.Drop it earlier next time
If I drop it earlier it'll just be a waste of a pallet because it would not stun him 😉 think my dude.
Pallets are not meant to stun every time.
And it is meant to be unsafe to go for the stun.
That's why the reward for stunnning the killer is so high.
They are just meant to be a barricade to force the killer to break it of chase around the obstacle.
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@Dreamnomad said:
@Wolf74 said:
@akbays35 said:
BBQ was so widely used cause it didn't give a drawback like Distressing does (Unless you're playing Doc, Nurse, or Huntress to some degree).
Why should a perk give a drawback at all?
Is there any survivor perk giving a drawback (beside No Mither)?
Let's talk about the most used survivor perks:
What's the drawback of SC, SB, DS, BT??Okay, I'll bite. Self care heals twice as slow. Sprint Burst only lasts a few seconds and requires walking around the map to avoid triggering it. Decisive Strike requires completing a difficult skill check or does nothing at all and can only be used once per game. Borrowed Time does nothing at all for the player running the perk.
Every perk in the game has an opportunity cost as well. For killers and survivors. If I'm running Self Care, Sprint Burst, Decisive Strike and Borrowed Time guess what I'm not running? Literally every other perk! That means I'm not running Small Game to find Ruin or whatever hex perk the killer maybe running or ensuring NOED doesn't come online. That means I'm not running the various stealth perks like Calm Spirit, Iron Will, Urban Evasion, etc to avoid being found in the first place. That means I'm not running WGLF for the bonus blood points. Etc, etc, etc.
SC has NO drawback. Because it uses up 32 seconds of the survivors time. Without SC it would take 2 survivor healing for 16 seconds. That basically the same, with the bonus that you do not need to search for and find a teammate. So no drawback there, just because of the time is needs.
SB, ok, the walking everywhere to keep it is kind of a drawback, but otherwise you do not leave scratchmarks, so that is a pretty small drawback.
DS has NO drawback, just a "requirement", maybe call it a risk, but is not qualified as a "drawback".
BT also NO drawback, because you know in advance that you pick perks like BT or Well make it to support your team, because a living team is helpful for MY escape.So no, still No Mither is the only survivor perk with a drawback. So that is not a core principle about perks. Perks are just meant to be straight advantages.
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@Blueberry said:
@Wolf74 said:
So survivor get another crutch.
Indirect nerf to BBQ and Wraith all seeing.
Does it work versus Freddy?
No timelimit on this?
If that would anything for a killer, that would be a perk instead f a free mechanic.
More training wheels for survivor.Yes, works on ALL aura reading. Freddy, BBQ, Wraith all seeing, Michael mirror, all of it.
And yeah ridiculous. If it was for killer it would've been a perk and definitely not free. 7 counters to BBQ wasn't enough and indirectly nerfing the other things was just...because. Killers needed nerfs right?
So multiple ultra rare add ons -some even with build in drawbacks already- get a severe nerf.
And BBQ gets an idiotproof counter that you do not need a brain for to use.
If that would had been a perk, I would be fine, but survivor get all their counter for free.
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Good survivor can already gain more points than the killer.
If you can't, that's a YOU issue.
Killer need more BPs, since they lose all their stuff every match and can't refill their stuff during a match (chests).
And killer are way more add on dependent than survivor.