WheresTheGate

The problem with that is most survivors aren't running the build you are running, and we have no way to know who's running what build. In other words the majority of the time it's going to be in my best interest to get some distance between me and that hook as quickly as possible. So, while it may indeed be in my best interest to stand there if someone like you unhooked me the odds are not in my favor that is the case, and I have no way to know. That means I'm going to go with the much higher probability that the person who unhooked me isn't running your build.

in Dear fellow survivors... Comment by WheresTheGate August 29, 2020

I guess you could call it camping, but if so it's camping caused by survivors. As a survivor main the overwhelming majority of my frustrations with this game have to do with other survivors. I sometimes feel like I'm playing against 4 people even as a survivor because I have to overcome the stupid and/or selfish play of the other 3 survivors while eluding the killer.

in Question for survivor mains. Comment by WheresTheGate August 27, 2020

@Masochistic_Killer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1567566#Comment_1567566
I like to focus on people with TV or TTV in their name. You want attention? You got it. They usually have a an army of simps with them too, making them all the more repugnant and toxic to deal with. Nothing makes me switch my cake/BP offering to a mori faster.
BONUS: Here's one from a month ago from my scrap book. I don't really remember this guy other than the name was funny.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/Z1RBYW0Q71C6/dbd-giving-the-people-what-they-want.png

Had a streamer message me before a match several months ago. Told me he was a streamer and told me he needed me not to do any totems as he was doing a video about NOED. I do mean instructed. He didn't ask. I immediately equipped small game and detectives hunch. His video on NOED didn't go as planned.

After the match he saw that I had both of those equipped and messaged to tell me I messed up his stream. I told him next time he should try asking people to participate instead of telling them what he "needs" them to do.

in Have you had someone be terribly offended you don't respect their style of play Comment by WheresTheGate August 24, 2020

@pseudechis said:
There is nothing wrong with that strategy but it doesn't take a lot of skill or planning or prediction to use guess you could call it "slug camping"
The point here is the loaded question. Your friend likely didn't want an honest opinion, they wanted you to agree that they were good and that anyone who sent them a nasty message as a result of how they play was in the wrong somehow.
When you didn't do that... they, rather than look at how someone else may have a different opinion of that playstyle, instead just dismissed your view with the "you don't understand" motif.
How viable Myers is etc etc are all irrelevant points, play the way you want to play but don't be surprised if some people find a style of play annoying and have a go at you for it.
Also echo chamber people often make for tedious friends, as usually they have their one view and dismiss all others making any real discussion impossible. Find better friends.

I completely agree with you. This guy is someone I work with. We just happened to discover we both play DBD and sometimes discuss it over lunch. Outside of work we don't see each other, and I'm perfectly content to keep it that way.

in Have you had someone be terribly offended you don't respect their style of play Comment by WheresTheGate August 24, 2020

@Masochistic_Killer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1567511#Comment_1567511
I'm guessing this is low rank. As far as skill, not really, it revolves around altruism of survivors for each other. It takes 4 minutes for someone to bleed to death, that's a long time, 3 other survivors x 80 seconds each could do 3 gens separately before they even go near the slug and they'd still have plenty of life left.
Also if they have soul-guard, totems or not, they get the BT Endurance effect when healed making it much easier for them to get away, and the guy going for the save could take a protection hit. I honestly don't see this working unless it's all solo-queue and they're all bad. Like, this doesn't take in to account baits, flash lights, ######### no one uses like Diversion, For the People, etc.
But, I'm red ranks, and the concept of abusing altruisim works. Basement Hag is my current favorite, although I still love Trapper. These aren't perfect and coordinated SWFs can and will still ######### all over you, but randoms? It eats them alive and makes for some excellent Benny Hill episodes.

I'm not sure what rank he is. We work together and sometimes talk DBD over lunch since we both play. I've never played against him unless it's been recently as we play on different platforms. All the things you mentioned.... he hates them and thinks they should all be done away with. Anything that is detrimental to his slugging strategy is unfair in his eyes.

in Have you had someone be terribly offended you don't respect their style of play Comment by WheresTheGate August 24, 2020

@PoopoosEntusNunus said:
Ignore what others say and play how you see fit.

I totally agree, and told him as much. I just didn't agree that it was a style that required a whole lot of skill.

in Have you had someone be terribly offended you don't respect their style of play Comment by WheresTheGate August 24, 2020

@Deathslinger said:
I’m a Killer main and your opinion seemed legit. It is completely an allowable play style and also the easiest way the killer can win. Nor is it an enjoyable experience for the survivors. If he enjoys doing it, then he should continue to do so but it’s ridiculous to be expected to be respected or praised for such a lackluster play style.
We all feel differently about the different styles, going both ways. I particularly hate sabo squads.

This sums up what I think.

in Have you had someone be terribly offended you don't respect their style of play Comment by WheresTheGate August 24, 2020

@Masochistic_Killer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/185684/have-you-had-someone-be-terribly-offended-you-dont-respect-their-style-of-play
I don't slug as much as that, although I rarely play Myers because he's bad (I have a lot of cakes left on him though and dailies sometimes too). But really it's BHVR that incentivizes people play a certain way.
There is simply not enough time to be getting 12 hook sacrifices without slugging, you will lose and probably not get any kills at all, this is what leads to "tunneling" most of the time - it's desperation or time constraints. Add to that things like DS and Adrenaline with the bullshit Hatch Mechanic and you have no choice.
When there are 2 people left you are 100% forced to slug or you are 97% guaranteed to lose because the second you put one on the hook if the other guy is up he's going to get that hatch. Chances are he already knows where it is and you don't. Killers don't have time to scour the map looking for a hatch but survivors do and even have perks and consumables for doing it.
Left someone slugged while the 2nd to last guy died on hook? Go back to find that slug and he's gone? Now it's a race to the hatch again because for some reason he can use it while down.
If you find it first, don't close it though because there's a very good chance he has Adrenaline and will free-up and get away. All of these scenarios are things I've seen first hand, some of them within the last 24 hours even.
Survivors have far too many second chances and easy outs compared to killers. Your friend doesn't get as many points for slugging as hooking but I completely understand why he does it.
I hope he doesn't use Totems, though, or he's in for a world of soul-guard hurt. UB and its prevalence means all 4 of those are very likely going to get up at least once but that's less than the hooks it requires.

I am not implying at all that slugging is bad, or there aren't legitimate reasons to do it. I don't even think the guy I am talking about is wrong for using it as his whole strategy. My question is more about whether or not it's actually skillful.

He literally slugs someone and stands close. When another survivor comes to help that person he slugs them. Unfortunately most survivors seem to be more than happy to come sacrifice themselves when another survivor is slugged. He does this until he has all 4 slugged, and doesn't even attempt to hang anyone until then. This is his strategy every single game from the start. I don't see it as requiring nearly the level of skill as a killer that doesn't make slugging their whole strategy.

in Have you had someone be terribly offended you don't respect their style of play Comment by WheresTheGate August 24, 2020

Mine involves these criteria

2 survivors left
1 on the hook
Killer camped near the hook
Hooked survivor either in struggle phase or has time to get there
Survivor not on hook is in injured state
Hooked survivor still allows injured one to run up and unhook them instead of just dying

In that situation it's almost a guarantee that the injured survivor is going to be taken down before they are able to perform the unhook. I believe when that happens it's basically a survivor that doesn't want anyone to escape if they can't.

in Pet peeves (what's yours) Comment by WheresTheGate August 24, 2020

In my opinion it comes from living in a world where the majority of people confuse their own feelings with facts. They have fed their own confirmation bias for so long they greatly overestimate their own abilities.

in Entitlement, where does it come from? Comment by WheresTheGate August 22, 2020

@shelobster said:
When the Blendettes who kept farming you to the hook while they hid and didn't get hooked once t-bag the killer at the exit gates.
Feels great man. Not. I'm officially done playing with Blendettes.

I've also noticed Blendettes are the ones very likely to intentionally run the killer to you in hopes of getting them to chase you instead of them.

in The best feeling in the world Comment by WheresTheGate August 21, 2020

@OllieHellhunter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1555160#Comment_1555160
They dont but they can see the animation of you throwing it

Ok. So I just have to be a little sneaky. I'm liking this.

in Looking for Very Specific Survivor Perk Build Comment by WheresTheGate August 20, 2020

@Zeus said:
Diversion :)

I like that idea. I don't know if I've ever used it other than a quick look. If I throw a pebble towards another survivor do they hear the noise? I don't want them to hear the noise and take off.

in Looking for Very Specific Survivor Perk Build Comment by WheresTheGate August 20, 2020

Unpopular opinion #1: You can use any perk anytime and any way you wish to use it. The idea that certain perks are only ok to use in specific situations is ridiculous.

Unpopular opinion #2: Playing stealth (I don't mean hiding in lockers) is fun.

in Post your unpopular opinions Comment by WheresTheGate August 20, 2020

As a survivor main there are 3 reasons I will DC, and I don't even necessarily DC every time one of them happens:

1) Technical issues -the stuck on a hill thing. Lag so bad it's unplayable. Skill checks aren't showing up.

2) Other survivors just hook farming with the killer. If I see the other 3 survivors (or even 2) doing nothing but taking turns getting hooked and immediately unhooking each other I'm out.

3) Killer that is AFK. If I'm on one of those matches where the killer is just standing there I'm DC'ing. Maybe they had a legit emergency and had to leave the game, but bottom line is that's not even a fun game.

in DC reasons Comment by WheresTheGate August 20, 2020

@Opex said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1547076#Comment_1547076
I was talking about people that complain about it. You didn't do it and your post was about something else yes. I just posted that because usually if you talk about slugging for a 4k you are just gonna come across some idiots that just complain, and those people are most of the time the same that just kill themselves so their teammate gets the hatch. I just said that because that's what I think about it and what I say to people that complain about it. But to be honest that was my fault because it was clearly not visible in my post. It actually looks like I didn't read it ngl.

I can understand that. No problem. Unfortunately, it's all too common on this for people to do that type of thing. My apologies.

in Slugging Third Survivor Comment by WheresTheGate August 18, 2020

@Opex said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/183226/slugging-third-survivor
I hate when people complain about this. Survivors kill themselves ALWAYS on the hook, literally every single time so the last one gets the hatch. And than they complain about why killers slug for a 4k. MHHHHH WHY DO THEY MAYBE DO THIS? Just think about it. You have no rights to complain. You guys did this. Its your fault. If you would stop kill youself every single time so the last one gets the hatch they would also not slug.

I hate when people complain about someone saying something they never said. Did you even bother to read past the first couple of sentences? I specifically said my issue wasn't with a killer slugging in that situation. I specifically said I understood the strategy. I said my problem was when the survivor just lays in the same spot and doesn't attempt to move after being slugged.

So perhaps if you want to talk about someone not having the right to complain about something it would be the person that decided to read the first paragraph of something and then condemn the person that wrote it based on an assumption of what they thought the rest of it said without ever reading it.

in Slugging Third Survivor Comment by WheresTheGate August 18, 2020

@oxygen said:
I tend to recover and then crawl to some remote place where there's no hatch spawns so I don't accidentally show it to the killer. And if the killer loses track of me and the 4th survivor wants to pick me up, it works for that too.
Surprisingly often the killer seems to just walk around in a very small radius around me expecting the 4th survivor to suicide heal me so they can instantly down me again then chase the 4th. If a killer does this instead of actually looking for the 4th and/or the hatch, please just let me bleed out and get the potentially free hatch after they hook me with 1% bleedout bar left.

100% with you on not sacrificing yourself if the killer is sticking close

in Slugging Third Survivor Comment by WheresTheGate August 18, 2020

@dugman said:
The main issue with slugging the third person to get the fourth is it's really boring for both the killer and the survivors. But in terms of points if you let the last survivor escape they gain 5000 points which is a huge swing in the relative scores, it can easily make the difference between the killer being the highest score and the second highest score at the end. (Similarly if you consider 4 kills a better win than 3 kills same idea.) So yeah, it's a useful strategy but makes for a bad endgame if it drags on too long.
My suggestion has been that, once only two survivors are left alive in the game, make their death timers run down two or three times as quickly. So instead of taking up to four minutes to bleed out, it only takes 1.5-2 minutes. That's plenty of time for a killer to go looking for the fourth person if they want, but it's short enough that they'll be enticed to eventually hook the third survivor after 30-60 seconds of searching to get the sacrifice credit. Similarly the fourth survivor will have a little more pressure on them to revive the third person or find the hatch in that time span rather than just hide in a corner or crawl around looking for the hatch or a key.

Changes may be needed to the whole mechanic. As someone that doesn't play killer I don't want to pretend I can make an objective suggestion. I just can't understand why survivors lay in one spot and don't move in that situation. It's not a strategically smart move unless I'm missing something

in Slugging Third Survivor Comment by WheresTheGate August 17, 2020

@gibblywibblywoo said:
Yeah this place is a cesspool. I don't know why I came back. Just boredom I guess.
I try not to flame and let people have their opinions but there's just so much dis-info and self-victimizing on this forum that gets thrown around as fact. Bothers me.

All of that stuff is part of the reason I stick around these forums. I love watching all the fallacious reasoning spewed out with such oblivious arrogance. The irony is entertaining.

in Guide to the Unwritten Rules about Disagreements on The DBD Forums Comment by WheresTheGate August 17, 2020

@Carlosylu said:
The secret to happiness is not arguind with stuborn and subjective people

I completely agree. I stay out of the arguments the majority of the time. As I read this forum I'm just amazed at the amount of people that seem to actually believe every opinion they have is completely unbiased and 100% perfect.

in Guide to the Unwritten Rules about Disagreements on The DBD Forums Comment by WheresTheGate August 17, 2020

I've gotten stuck on hills twice since this started. The first time a killer came by, downed me, picked me up, and let me wiggle free. He chased me after that, but at least gave me the opportunity to run. Fair enough.

The second time the killer walked me straight to a hook and hooked me. That was the first time in a long time I've DC'd for something other than severe lag.

The bug needs to be fixed desperately. I've seen several times recently where a survivor that hasn't been hit or hung DC's. Sure enough I end up running by a survivor laying next to a hill. I honestly don't blame them because most killers I've seen take advantage of it.

in Stuck in hill bug; anything you can actually do about it? Comment by WheresTheGate August 16, 2020

@SaltedSnow said:
I don't think I've played against doc in months on PC, he's not too common. You're just getting insanely unlucky lol

That would be the way it happens for me

in Crossplay starts and the only killer I see is Doc Comment by WheresTheGate August 14, 2020

@MadLordJack said:
No, so far as I know Doc is rarer on PC than console, since he's a free console character and one of the best antiloopers that requires timing more than precision

Strange. I swear sometimes the code in this game gets stuck on giving people the same killers and/or maps repeatedly

in Crossplay starts and the only killer I see is Doc Comment by WheresTheGate August 14, 2020

@ohheyitsbobcat said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1532666#Comment_1532666
I suppose it comes down to what each person is playing for. I prefer to play for bloodpoints and just having fun more-so then just escaping so doing a build like this is more my style. I'm sure there's a better build out there which would mix survival/escape and points but it's one of those weird things with dbd. There isn't really a straight forward win condition so you have people playing to accomplish different things which causes problems with others.
Heck, I get salty if people do gens too quick as I want to earn some points. I can't stand games where everyone escapes but the max score is only like 15000.

I really need to force myself to play that style awhile to see if I start enjoying it. If I can it would be better than constantly being annoyed that no one seems to be trying to escape.

in The reason I'm losing interest Comment by WheresTheGate August 13, 2020

@ohheyitsbobcat said:
Why not just run a point build and do everything in quick fashion while still helping your team.
Prove Thyself for objective, we'll make it for altruism, detectives hunch for totems and ds/inner strength/deliverence for survival.
Find a gen with someone and finish it with prove thyself to get about half of your objective, see where the totems are with detectives hunch so you don't need to waste time looking and get a bunch of boldness. We'll make it for when anyone gets hooked so you get extra altruism and they get healed and finally your choice for survival. DS for one use 500, deliverance for one use 1500, or inner strength for 300 a use.
If you really want to max it out then memorize the totem locations and switch detectives hunch for we're gonna live forever. Take protection hits when the killer carries someone, heal with inner strength and then get the rescue and repeat the process doing totems and a least one more gen with somebody and you got yourself a massive point game rather quickly while still helping the team.

I have thought about things like that. Who knows? Might be something I would enjoy if I tried it. I'm still not sure I would be able to enjoy myself when I'm playing with survivors that aren't trying to escape.

in The reason I'm losing interest Comment by WheresTheGate August 13, 2020

@Hoodied said:
Oh hey, you get alot of points for doing totems AND its a good way to counter NOED and restrict killers total perks to 3, it teaches you to do both totems and generators

I totally get that. I'm a proponent of doing totems, but my reason is because, as you said, it counters NOED. My point is they are worth almost the same as a generator and takes less than 25% of the time to do. That is a huge disparity.